Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

That kinda seems like a scum claim

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

This is me trying to talk my way through how much I can trust or not trust Dan btw, like from my perspective would Dan and Maw have that theater after I shared so much distrust of basically the whole FG? Was that for Cakez?

Or am I misguided about my distrust of Dan?

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

Ohhh, hold on, was this towards the end of D3? Dan had put himself in hammer range and publicly asked to die as well.

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

That kinda seems like a scum claim

Like on the surface that is how I feel, but why say it in the FG where there is at least one town in there?

Pre Edit: Yes it was at the end of D3

[Doctor Drew]

The irony is that if I was more active I would have hammered Dan more than likely lol.

And if Flavor pulled that shit I would say that is a town play, but why would Dan do that

[Theta Alpine]

wait a moment
dan was in hammer range
maestro was on
dan asked maestro to hammer him
and then maestro refused

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

This is me trying to talk my way through how much I can trust or not trust Dan btw, like from my perspective would Dan and Maw have that theater after I shared so much distrust of basically the whole FG? Was that for Cakez?

Or am I misguided about my distrust of Dan?

I think it makes sense to distrust Dan right now. But he can still be town.

Theatre for Cakez makes no sense because he's had too little impact on the game and he barely even talks about that PT. Like what would theater aimed at town!Cakez even accomplish?

[Roden]

The irony is that if I was more active I would have hammered Dan more than likely lol.

And if Flavor pulled that shit I would say that is a town play, but why would Dan do that

He could be defeated/frustrated town

I have unfortunately seen town Doctors try to self elim before

[Roden]

wait a moment
dan was in hammer range
maestro was on
dan asked maestro to hammer him
and then maestro refused

That seems to be the case

[Theta Alpine]

i mean

keep in mind maestro was traitor
theatre becomes something else when you do not have full night/day talk with a partner

[Roden]

For the record, I unvoted pretty quickly when Dan put himself to E-1

Maestro might not have had enough time to hammer

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

Ohhh, hold on, was this towards the end of D3? Dan had put himself in hammer range and publicly asked to die as well.

Dan did actually say I could hammer him as well, just not Cakez for fear of Flavor tunneling Cakez.

This is the thing, it seems like Dan knows Flavor won't push me at all(or at least Dan feels like Flavor won't push me)...........

Bah, there is some missing smoking gun here that I can't put my finger on.

I wish I was converted, would make things much easier lol

Pre Edit: Theta, yes

Roden, that is kinda my point.......kinda feel it was aimed at me

[Roden]

i mean

keep in mind maestro was traitor
theatre becomes something else when you do not have full night/day talk with a partner

Fair point

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, there’s just very few worlds where Dan is town here.

Maestro was actively playing against wincon if Dan and Maestro were unaligned.

Dan also specifically targeted Maestro one of the nights, so that could even been a night of conversion (was this Night 1?) and then the next day the two teamed up onto RR.

I just think logically and objectively Dan is scum. He’s townie by town to me, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Tone*

[Theta Alpine]

For the record, I unvoted pretty quickly when Dan put himself to E-1

Maestro might not have had enough time to hammer

drew could you check what the timing of maestros post and rodens unvote was

[Roden]

OK well final reads:

These people are town:

FL
Drew
Tomith
Cakez

Likely town or at least fade hu first:
Roden

I'd say good luck but I'm not sure I'd mean it aside from aureal tomith and cakez ATM.

VOTE: ActionDan

UNVOTE:

I unvoted exactly one minute after, Maestro didn't have time to hammer

[Theta Alpine]

ah

the not being able to do that could perhaps just be the literal
you are not in hammer range anymore sort of i cannot do that

[Doctor Drew]

OK well final reads:

These people are town:

FL
Drew
Tomith
Cakez

Likely town or at least fade hu first:
Roden

I'd say good luck but I'm not sure I'd mean it aside from aureal tomith and cakez ATM.

VOTE: ActionDan

UNVOTE:

I unvoted exactly one minute after, Maestro didn't have time to hammer

I checked, it was like 2 hours after Roden's unvote.

Dan did state he was in hammer range, not E-1.......but did seem resigned to being the lim.

[SirCakez]

Also I wish there was a tracker of some sort that was on Cakez last night, they claimed to target me.

I did! I saw Dan said he did too in a post but he's in the FG so he wouldn't have turned up

[SirCakez]

I think I do deserve to get faded since maestro had the chance to hammer me and didn't. Moreover I believe he must have recognized the opportunity but didn't take it. I don't know why. We'll find out post game.

In the meantime I will do all I can to try to solve the game.

I think it's clear Hu is converted maybe small chance of group scum. And is currently open wolfing.

I think there has to be group scum in at least one of Theta, Titus, and Aureal.

I am coming around to Aureal as town but it is in no way a surety.

At risk of provoking FL to feed into his confirmation bias I think there is role synergy between bianco, FL, and Theta. Theta's claim is currently the most useful role in the game, and it does align with Bianco's. Though possibly less strong, same deal with FL. They have otherwise played extremely passively this game.

I don't know what partner makes sense with Titus scum currently. That's about all the good I can say. I sense their play has taken a nosedive which might be a characteristic of Titus scum.

I feel like this is such a town post, idk if even a convert makes this post, just look at the tone. If he knows he's going down as a convert, why even bother efforting? If he's groupscum, why isn't he fighting the elimination/wagon?

[SirCakez]

Wait one sec. Maybe we should talk about this further until everyone is on board.

Hu Tao is clearly clearly converted if not group scum.

That would be by far the most wasteful observe/follow target

Very very happy to go over arguments for this

Why are they confirmed converted?

They are basically open wolfing at this point lol

[SirCakez]

And even if Dan is scum there, he's definitely a convert falling on his sword then in which case it's not worth it either

I think (Hu Tao, Aureal, Theta) has at least one group scum in it for sure and probably a convert or traitor too
(FL, Titus, Roden) I feel decently okay about now. That leaves Bianco and Thomith who are fairly null for me

[SirCakez]

FL it would be cool if you could talk to me and not just compromise on me again

[Doctor Drew]

I think I do deserve to get faded since maestro had the chance to hammer me and didn't. Moreover I believe he must have recognized the opportunity but didn't take it. I don't know why. We'll find out post game.

In the meantime I will do all I can to try to solve the game.

I think it's clear Hu is converted maybe small chance of group scum. And is currently open wolfing.

I think there has to be group scum in at least one of Theta, Titus, and Aureal.

I am coming around to Aureal as town but it is in no way a surety.

At risk of provoking FL to feed into his confirmation bias I think there is role synergy between bianco, FL, and Theta. Theta's claim is currently the most useful role in the game, and it does align with Bianco's. Though possibly less strong, same deal with FL. They have otherwise played extremely passively this game.

I don't know what partner makes sense with Titus scum currently. That's about all the good I can say. I sense their play has taken a nosedive which might be a characteristic of Titus scum.

I feel like this is such a town post, idk if even a convert makes this post, just look at the tone. If he knows he's going down as a convert, why even bother efforting? If he's groupscum, why isn't he fighting the elimination/wagon?

I hate this post.

This feels like Cakez leaning into to being the lim