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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:05 am

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Also tonight I'll confirm whether or not I was pinned all three nights or if Cakez is probably a true ascetic. If I do get a clear, I won't claim it until necessary
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:06 am

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I feel like Sky's claim is NAI, for all we know she's just scum neighbor by herself
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:06 am

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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:06 am

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In post 1394, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1391, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Does it really even matter who is right?
...yes? If I'm right, we don't mislim a town?
Supoose that you're right, that Skygazer is unlikely to fakeclaim neighbor.
How does this relate to her being town? She may be more likely to be town, yes, but as you yourself have shown with Jacob, unlikely things can and do happen.
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:10 am

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In post 1283, Black wrote: Cakez what gives you the impression StD has been motivated and assertive this game
I just checked his ISO to give you examples and I found nothing so literally no idea what I was talking about there
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:11 am

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In post 1342, Argonauts wrote:
In post 1341, Skygazer wrote: i'm on team lets not vote out skygazer
I am always on Team Skygazer :]

Unfortunately for you, the team what wants to vote you out :twisted:

Also, and maybe this is a Drew read(err, Asclepius read), but it feels to me that this wagon kinda stagnating and even people hopping off makes me feel like scum thought the wagon would naturally dissipate.......but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Like, usually an early day wagon doesn't stick, so no need for scum to worry too much.......but this one has stuck, with no real counter wagon.

This obviously is only relevant if Sky is Team Scumbutt, but just was something I was thinking about at work today.

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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:12 am

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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:12 am

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In post 1345, Black wrote: Nah, I think this is scum!sky

I feel like there is usually a point in Sky's town games where she buckles down and really starts to think critically about the game. I haven't seen that at all here. She's just coasting

Like I think sky posts reactively a lot but when she's town there's usually a moment where she feels guilty about not doing anything and then starts to be proactive for a bit before she slides off into obscurity again. I've seen it after her being pushed before but she got to e-1 and she's still just lurking around
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:13 am

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In post 1403, Jake The Wolfie wrote: How does this relate to her being town? She may be more likely to be town, yes, but as you yourself have shown with Jacob, unlikely things can and do happen.
I believe Skygazer is town and I'm seeing my strongest town-read disagree completely with me so I'm talking about it. I can't convince her that I'm right (or her convince me that she's right) if we just throw the weight of the entire case at each other because we're both independently biased, that doesn't work. So I'm trying to pull it apart as best I can
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:13 am

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Also math is fun
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:15 am

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In post 1378, JacksonVirgo wrote: Don't hammer yet
In post 1379, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm cooking
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:15 am

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In post 1408, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1403, Jake The Wolfie wrote: How does this relate to her being town? She may be more likely to be town, yes, but as you yourself have shown with Jacob, unlikely things can and do happen.
I believe Skygazer is town and I'm seeing my strongest town-read disagree completely with me so I'm talking about it. I can't convince her that I'm right (or her convince me that she's right) if we just throw the weight of the entire case at each other because we're both independently biased, that doesn't work. So I'm trying to pull it apart as best I can
Adding to this. She believes it's scum!AI when I disagree so I'm talking about it
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:17 am

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In post 1410, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1378, JacksonVirgo wrote: Don't hammer yet
In post 1379, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm cooking
Lmao
I was so scared that I would do all that math and counting the roles thread, for a hammer to just be placed and have me delete all the work I was doing lmfao
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:55 am

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In post 1392, Save The Dragons wrote: See I was right town is more likely
even if I didn't know it


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Wrong. Jackson correctly calculated the odds of a particular person being a neighbor of a certain alignment (I assume, I didn't double-check the specific math) and then kept spinning the numbers into the overall odds of drawing a neighbor role using the total number of players, which is irrelevant here. We're not talking about the odds of
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Skygazer
getting one as a certain alignment. Which apparently is 3/86 as town, 2/26 as Mafia OR 1/25 as Werewolf. So like I said, notably higher likelihood of it being Mafia.

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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:56 am

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And frankly the "odds don't matter, oh no a hammer intent waaaaaait stop let me calculate the odds!!!" comes off pretty desperate.

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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:59 am

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In post 1411, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1408, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1403, Jake The Wolfie wrote: How does this relate to her being town? She may be more likely to be town, yes, but as you yourself have shown with Jacob, unlikely things can and do happen.
I believe Skygazer is town and I'm seeing my strongest town-read disagree completely with me so I'm talking about it. I can't convince her that I'm right (or her convince me that she's right) if we just throw the weight of the entire case at each other because we're both independently biased, that doesn't work. So I'm trying to pull it apart as best I can
Adding to this. She believes it's scum!AI when I disagree so I'm talking about it
I don't think the claim is scum indicative, I was just wondering why it had to be a true claim. I thought there were scum exclusive roles so if she is scum and has one then she would have to fake claim something, but I could be wrong. I can't look at the list atm
I scumread Alianna.

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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:01 am

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In post 1414, Argonauts wrote: And frankly the "odds don't matter, oh no a hammer intent waaaaaait stop let me calculate the odds!!!" comes off pretty desperate.

-Atalanta
Bitch please, I was excited and didn't want that to go nowhere
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:02 am

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In post 1414, Argonauts wrote: And frankly the "odds don't matter, oh no a hammer intent waaaaaait stop let me calculate the odds!!!" comes off pretty desperate.

-Atalanta
I could see Jackson scum if sky flips scum. It's more of a tinfoil though
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:07 am

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In post 1413, Argonauts wrote:
In post 1392, Save The Dragons wrote: See I was right town is more likely
even if I didn't know it


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Wrong. Jackson correctly calculated the odds of a particular person being a neighbor of a certain alignment (I assume, I didn't double-check the specific math) and then kept spinning the numbers into the overall odds of drawing a neighbor role using the total number of players, which is irrelevant here. We're not talking about the odds of
someone
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Skygazer
getting one as a certain alignment. Which apparently is 3/86 as town, 2/26 as Mafia OR 1/25 as Werewolf. So like I said, notably higher likelihood of it being Mafia.

-Atalanta
Care to explain why it's irrelevant? Because I disagree entirely, the raw chances are shown better when taken into consideration repeated events. Sure, the odds are great and all but like does 3/86 mean anything to you? There's no equal comparison there because the amount of roles in each faction are so different from each other, so I made them equal and fair based on the amount of roles possible AND the amount of roles that we're dealing with (10v3v1)
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:08 am

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Sure the logic was more vague and not focused on one particular slot but that's meaningless?
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:09 am

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You can't just like "ah yes, lets stop at this step because it benefits my position more".
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:11 am

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In post 1115, shaddowez wrote:
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:13 am

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I'm genuinely asking btw cuz probability is an intimidating field to get right and I don't wanna do it wrong
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:13 am

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But I should really wait for post-game ig
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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:14 am

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I don't see how Skygazer fake claims neighbor as SK, sure. It would be very risky.

But as mafia? There are three public claims on the thread and if he is mafia, he mostly knows their viability. He could have a partner who is a sole neighbor as mafia. He could be a mafia PR who knows the roles of other town players. He could've just rolled the dice and taken the odds no one is a neighbor. Or he could be town.

The claim is NAI. Rest is all WIFOM and an easy point for scum to deflect/push the wagon. And where the fuck is Shaddow?
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