Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[Bingle]

VOTE: no elim

No discussion.

[PenguinPower]

vote for no lim

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: no elim

[SirCakez]

VOTE: no elim

[Firebringer]

After being able to ditch his companion Rose, Cid spent his time investigating the city at night.

Day 7 - Sanctuary
Vote Count 7.01

No Elimination [4] - Bingle, Penguinpower, Sircakez

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : tired person

With 4 Alive, It Takes 3 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-02-18 11:44:00)

Mod Note: No mod notes

[Firebringer]

Night 7 Deadline is (expired on 2024-02-07 04:00:00). Please submit all actions and last wills prior to this.

[Firebringer]

Bingle was killed last night

.

He was a member of Shadow Garden.

Spoiler: Role PM

Flavor Name:

Zeta

Alignment:

Shadow Garden

Abilities:

You have no special abilities.

Win Condition:

You win when the Cult of Diablos has been eliminated.

[Firebringer]

Bingle left a last will:

I guess I have to play the game now that I am dead and I only have one more post.


Night Kill Analysis:

If Sir Cakez is mafia he shoots tired person because tired person wants to kill him.
If Penguin is mafia he shoots me so tired person votes Cakez or tired person to get me to vote for Cakez.
If tired person is mafia he shoots me because nobody will vote for me and nobody suspects him.

>> This was not actually useful for much other than ruling out Sir Cakez.


Rereading the game:

I wanted to do more rereading but I got lazy and didn't really do it. I did skim some of the conversations between Cephrir and Pooky and day one and it feels closer to scum theater than a genuine interaction. I don't think Cephrir really tried to kill Pooky at any point during day one. He didn't try to be persuasive and Pooky made no real effort to persuade him or shut him down like he did with Klick or Dunnstral.

Some of Penguin's interactions with Pooky feel almost too bold to be scum and scum? Pooky does like to live in boldness so maybe they are willing to openwolf together. I don't know.

Pooky pushing Cakez did not feel like scum on scum, from what I know of Pooky he likes to have his pushes on teammates be accompanied by theater such as how he talked with Gamma while pushing him. I agree with Sakura & Klick that the interactions between Pooky and Cakez largely clear Cakez of being a potential Pooky partner.


According to Klick's last will: never eliminate Sir Cakez or Katsuki(me) > do kill T3 and Penguin.

According to Sakura's last will: clear Sir Cakez and TP > Last scum is within jjh/PP/Wheme


>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I also think Sir Cakez should be clear but I don't think it is clear Penguin should be the elimination. Rereading the game I think we may have given Cephrir/Tired Person too much of an easy pass into the endgame, I did not like how they changed their mind from cakez to jjh on the other day and I did not like their last post about treating them as confirmed town and claiming they would likely be killed if we no-elimmed while adding me in as maybe confirmed.

If I had to bet I would bet on tired person over penguin being mafia but it is close. I kind of want to vote out Penguin in the end because it would be bad if Klick had the right solve all along and we just forgot about it.

[Firebringer]

With the Sanctuary destroyed and the cult going back into hiding, it was time again to return to the Shadows. As the Bushin Battle Festival was coming up, Cid decided to go undercover to live out a long standing fantasy of being the super weak underdog that shows up out of nowhere to beat them all. Little did he know was there were bigger plots happening at the Festival than he knew of.

Day 8 - Bunshin Festival
Vote Count 8.00

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 3) : tired person, Penguinpower, Sircakez

With 3 Alive, It Takes 2 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-02-21 11:44:00)

Mod Note: No mod notes

[tired person]

it would be nice if you guys vote each other because i don't like having to explain why i am town, and also i am obviously town for a bunch of reasons.

i still think it's probably sircakes but the fact that klick was correct on t3 and katsuki makes me think he could be right on sircakes and penguin as well. and also i expected sircakes to kill me, so being alive makes me think i might be wrong.

[PenguinPower]

yeah - no

i'm probably going to vote you

[SirCakez]

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

I hate LiLo so much

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna have to do some rereading
I have reasons to think both of you are townie and scummy
I really thought it was Bingle after the hammer so I have to throw everything out...again

[SirCakez]

it would be nice if you guys vote each other because i don't like having to explain why i am town, and also i am obviously town for a bunch of reasons.

i still think it's probably sircakes but the fact that klick was correct on t3 and katsuki makes me think he could be right on sircakes and penguin as well. and also i expected sircakes to kill me, so being alive makes me think i might be wrong.

Or you are alive because you weren't going to kill yourself

[SirCakez]

I know Pooky is watching with glee in the dead thread rn
He's ruined LiLo for me forever

[tired person]

yeah - no

i'm probably going to vote you

i don't think you have even a single valid reason to think i am scum. if you are scumreading my low-content playstyle, not only is that hypocritical of you but i also have completed town games where i play that way so that's invalid. i also don't have any partnered interactions with scum.

can u even name a reason to vote me?

[tired person]

TP also said that she's voting me exclusively because she wants to sheep 2 conftown (you and Klick)

I have explained that Klick townread me yesterday and I've explained that Sakura's scumread is rooted in vibes but TP is still voting me with no real explanation

i think this post (and other posts t3 made toward the end of the day) also clears me from being t3's partner. it's pretty obvious he was trying to undermine the townread on me in order to have me as a possible miselimination, probably because he saw that jjh (who was town) was thinking about eliminating me and he wanted to save himself by eliminating me instead.

and why would t3 even make all these posts if he was my partner:

That is well within Gamma's scumrange and probably within Ceph's too

Ceph's emotion felt genuine but on balance it's only a little +town

Across Ceph's posting, he only ever voted, Pooky, Gamma and T3.

I don't think Ceph ever voted me - didn't he also vote BCG at one point??

I meant jjh, woops

Usually scum exclusively or almost exclusively voting all their partners is more indicative of TMI than anything else

Very much feels like they're trying to appear to be doing more than they are doing

but yeah if I'm going to respond to that request to towncase T3 then I will do it in real time, because I think I've set out quite succinctly what makes T3 town and it's there if you actually look for it

TP has recently been ellitelling too - she asked jjh to towncase me, jjh said something to the effect of "I'll point the specific posts out to you at some point," at which point TP visited the site and posted elsewhere but didn't do anything here despite jjh's response.

[SirCakez]

Ok we all have interactions with dead scum that look town, Penguin hammered T3 when that elimination wasn't even guaranteed and multiple dead town have said that my interactions with Pooky couldn't be scum. I don't like that you're trying to assert yourself as clear here based on IMO less strong objective evidence then what I see from a neutral PoV on Penguin and myself.

[SirCakez]

And I think it's weird that you're more concerned with clearing yourself first off the bat rather then thinking about who is the scum here

[tired person]

first, i disagree that there's more objective evidence for both of you.

second, i will have more time to read in depth and make up my mind on the weekend, i just want to make sure i am not hammered before then.

[tired person]

saying that penguin has clearing interactions with anyone, or that his hammer is clearing, is a huuuuuuge stretch. if you actually take a look at the vc, the possibile eliminations on day 5 at the time penguin hammered were either him or t3. while i do think it's probably bad play that they crossvoted, it's not even close to clearing. the other option a scum penguin had was to let jjh or you hammer at deadline and be guaranteed to lose the next day.

[tired person]

and again, you don't have reasons for me to be scum other than that you don't like the fact i'm playing to my win condition as town by attempting to increase the ev from 1/3 to 1/2 by clearing myself. which happened specifically after sakura cleared me and then pointed out how t3 tried to unclear me. it's not that i just randomly came up with the idea.

if i were scum you could actually find valid reasons to see me as scum instead of these silly "oh no you are trying to clear yourself" and "everyone else is cleared more than you are" (which isn't even true, objectively).

[SirCakez]

I'm not voting anyone for quite a while, I'm gonna be thinking about this a lot

[SirCakez]

and again, you don't have reasons for me to be scum other than that you don't like the fact i'm playing to my win condition as town by attempting to increase the ev from 1/3 to 1/2 by clearing myself. which happened specifically after sakura cleared me and then pointed out how t3 tried to unclear me. it's not that i just randomly came up with the idea.

if i were scum you could actually find valid reasons to see me as scum instead of these silly "oh no you are trying to clear yourself" and "everyone else is cleared more than you are" (which isn't even true, objectively).

I haven't even done ISOs and rereading yet
My posts so far today have been solely based on what's getting posted, I'm not making a serious argument one way or the other yet til I can actually do some analysis

[PenguinPower]

yeah - no

i'm probably going to vote you

i don't think you have even a single valid reason to think i am scum. if you are scumreading my low-content playstyle, not only is that hypocritical of you but i also have completed town games where i play that way so that's invalid. i also don't have any partnered interactions with scum.

can u even name a reason to vote me?

i wasn't scumreading your playstyle but thanks for assuming.

ceph's play around pooky and gamma d1, whilst everyone else says is clearing, I think is the opposite given how he had a weak tunnel on pooky then was like "yeah, maybe i'm wrong." then is like, "yeah gamma scum i'll hop on" but then once gamma starts to take off vs. dunn hops off and says he feels "uneasy" and uselessly votes pooky until he peaces out.

what does give me pause is your play around t3's wagon because you easily could have gotten me pushed out that day since sakura was equally willing to vote either me or t3 and only voted t3 because he was the larger wagon.

you obnoxiously saying you're clear isn't ai, just obnoxious.

but then jinglebingle thinks you're scum over sircakez and i want to be lazy and just agree.

so i guess i'm gonna not be lazy and read cakez iso