Mini Theme 2328: Death Note: Second Page. Day 3!

[Klick]

I can't remember if I've said this or not but I've gone off HPE!scum a bit

[HighPrincessErinys]

I can't remember if I've said this or not but I've gone off HPE!scum a bit

You unvoted this one, so seemed clear enough to it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Anyway this one is gonna shower now and then probably like, game or whatever for a while. Toodles~

[Radical Rat]

Some skills are better than others, that's true, but remember that:

• We only get 10 skills total.
  
• Kira knows which ones aren't in play, which means he knows which ARE.
  
• 3 of those 10 will be on the scumteam.
  
• And only a handful are
  particularly
  useful, but there's good odds we're missing several by way of being the outlier 5, or on scum.

So if you think "Well gee Erinys, now you've really done it! We could lose a useful skill by Kira targeting people other than you!", then you should consider how unlikely it is that of the 6 most useful skills (Access To Files, Clingy, Go To Jail, Autopsy (highly debatable), Check and Calling For Time (also debatable)), town realistically only has access to like... 3? And both Autopsy and Calling For Time can be used against town. Same with Clingy, actually.

I mean, yeah, it's not like. Game-ruining end of the world stuff, and it is possible Town didn't get many of the more useful ones, but I don't see how using it for a rather weak LAMIST argument while you're only under moderate pressure is worth that? And even if you think all of that is useless, and think this is a stronger clear than otherwise, what is it about the current situation that motivated you to claim now?

[Hu Tao]

I still think aureal is scum here. Something feels off about her.

Can you reach deeper into this if you think you can?

I'm a gut read player. She just feels different than last time I played with her when she was town. So I have a tendency to think she's gonna be scum here

[HighPrincessErinys]

what is it about the current situation that motivated you to claim now?

A continuation of the giant mechanical spitball rant? Also my first time getting hit with LAMIST, how exciting!

[CUDDLE TIME]

So if I'm understanding this right, hpe used the incognito skill on gimli and his flavor name will show on day 2 and does both gimli and hpe need to be alive for the name to show up on day 2?

Funnily, me and my hydra partners have talked about our suspicion on both of those players in the hydra chat.

- A

[HighPrincessErinys]

So if I'm understanding this right, hpe used the incognito skill on gimli and his flavor name will show on day 2 and does both gimli and hpe need to be alive for the name to show up on day 2?

Shouldn't need us alive, no.

Funnily, me and my hydra partners have talked about our suspicion on both of those players in the hydra chat.

- A

also ratio

[Aureal]

Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2

Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?

Wouldn't say Gimli pushed me for giving him Incog, he had no way of knowing it was me, but frfrfrfrfr

Well I feel like he, knowing he had been given incognito by someone else rather than it being his own randomly assigned skill, would naturally take your greeting him the way you did as a sign that you likely were the one who gave it to him. Instead he called you nervous.

[Aureal]

I still think aureal is scum here. Something feels off about her.

Can you reach deeper into this if you think you can?

I'm a gut read player. She just feels different than last time I played with her when she was town. So I have a tendency to think she's gonna be scum here

I'm never voting drew this game, probably scum.

Something cool gives me off vibes. So probably not voting them for the time being.

Aureal seems different so probably not voting them today.

Everyone else has a chance to join my town core

Try getting some new material instead of just reusing the same read?

(To avoid confusion, in that game we wanted to vote for town, not the jester team)

[Hu Tao]

I still think aureal is scum here. Something feels off about her.

Can you reach deeper into this if you think you can?

I'm a gut read player. She just feels different than last time I played with her when she was town. So I have a tendency to think she's gonna be scum here

I'm never voting drew this game, probably scum.

Something cool gives me off vibes. So probably not voting them for the time being.

Aureal seems different so probably not voting them today.

Everyone else has a chance to join my town core

Try getting some new material instead of just reusing the same read?

(To avoid confusion, in that game we wanted to vote for town, not the jester team)

But you seem different from that game too

[Hu Tao]

Or maybe I'm actually a follower or Kira. Who knows. What do you think, Aureal?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Or maybe I'm actually a follower or Kira. Who knows. What do you think, Aureal?

Can we be follower besties together............?

[Hu Tao]

Or maybe I'm actually a follower or Kira. Who knows. What do you think, Aureal?

Can we be follower besties together............?

Yes!

[Aureal]

Sorry, the applications to be my followers have already closed. Better luck next time!

[Doctor Drew]

I still think aureal is scum here. Something feels off about her.

Can you reach deeper into this if you think you can?

I'm a gut read player. She just feels different than last time I played with her when she was town. So I have a tendency to think she's gonna be scum here

I'm never voting drew this game, probably scum.

Something cool gives me off vibes. So probably not voting them for the time being.

Aureal seems different so probably not voting them today.

Everyone else has a chance to join my town core

Try getting some new material instead of just reusing the same read?

(To avoid confusion, in that game we wanted to vote for town, not the jester team)

But you seem different from that game too

We are the same in that we go off vibes, I feel like Aureal's vibes here have been squarely town.

Is there anything specific about her play this game that jumps out to you?

[ActionDan]

Notes:

Post 26 from HPE is still the scummiest post in the early game.
The change in attitude from 60 vs 71 does not make much sense regardless of what justification one might use. If this for any reason is tied to 80 then that is worse as Adorable is perfectly understandable.

By page 5 both Black / Gimli offering Aureal town reads citing "Aggression" are shallow 70, 107 . Aureal back and forth with CT is mirrors what is typical for the early game (much like grasping at straws) but content from Aureal's side if it was given a deeper look should not be garnering such reads.

102 is not germane to the game but worse is 105 which unnecessarily shoots down HPE for a fair point.

119 "Klick is obvtown since his 2nd post" is not true. If this was some reference to a post during the fake reaction testing thing that he clearly saw coming, it would not be true either.

Noting that on page 6 I agree with HPE here in that I had not seen Hydra dissonance until that page. T-bone somehow managing to catch that there was private dissonance makes him a better sleuth than I since I was not sensitive to it occurring based on Dragon's testimony. I take Hydra dissonance in stride as it is hard to help it regardless of Hydra's alignment, However it is true that reveling in dissonance is scummy for Hydras. That particular level has not even remotely occurred thus far.

I think HPE is scum for several reasons: its approach to Adorable, specifically soft defending it but not really townreading it, feels scum motivated and similar to how I've seen it interact with town (as scum) in Mini Normal 2322

This resonates with me. Eating your cake and having it too is how I would describe it after posts like 145 147 158. There is a logic about voting a "policy lim" until something better comes along but its undercut by the reason its a policy lim, that is, being expected to be dissonant and a net negative to town and also being personally fine with Hydra's current play. That and I don't see what makes Adorable incite a kneejerk reaction so conclusion is that all of this is fake.

167 I think Dragon sounds more town than Black sounds anything atm. I also like Thomith and Adorable is just fine. There is a large gradient of movement here suggesting town basically.

173 This is correct.

186 I suppose this is better late than never.

--- I sense the game transitions from here to a new phase.

I'm simply not into Aureal's posting on page 8. I'm a little biased here as some of it concerns me and I know it's followed by a vote after at some point. Shallow is what I'd call it; no real depth going on and I can't help but wonder if there's some tailored aggression / exaggeration that's playing into what got her a couple townreads prior.

In contrast I do like Hu's posts on page 9. The takes are simple but good throughout. Though vote still on Cuddles.

I think I am locking Aureal as town

If you're going to use Meta to back this up I'd like to know if there's any actual content from Aureal that you are fond of that you can say holds up as town on its own.

Of course after dissing Aureal 228 is solid. (but 229 is not!)

Hydra posts between 197 and 243 are limited to Black voting Hu. Some introspection perhaps?

246 Really? It does not strike me that Klick is in particular "working out the game" via voting / pressuring HPE. supposing HPE as a follower is not a noteworthy deduction. More notable Klick contributions are town reads on Cuddle and possibly T-bone, if anything. Also between posts 239 and 240, I recall your townreads of Aureal / Cuddle being relatively fast in 107. If those were not hardened reads than the ones in 239/240 are and are also imo just as fast as Klick's. That strikes me as a tad hypocritical.

251 is a bit uncharitable. while I'm not fond of 229, it is just one question.

--- Game is going to change its tone again but I need a bit of sleep before continuing this.

I haven't reached any definite conclusions but I think it's a bit obvious who I'm wary of from the above.

[Gimli]

HPE could easily be kira with aureal and maybe will o'wisp as followers

all aureal did this game wrt HPE was soft defend it

I what now? I think I was the first one giving HPE a funny look for the way it voted! The rest of y'all are just following me!

if you mean #82 that wasn't a push, it was inconsequential commentary.

more important than that is, for instance, the way you soft defend HPE in #194, #198, #201, #228, then a pivot to voting actiondan with klick after suspecting his train of thought (!)

then #280, then #383, etc etc

you never come here and say 'I think HPE is towny for this and that reasoning', but you defend it from the many posters scumreading it throughout the entirety of this d1.

[Gimli]

Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2

Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?

I never pushed HPE for giving me incognito. where did you get that from?

[Gimli]

Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2

Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?

Wouldn't say Gimli pushed me for giving him Incog, he had no way of knowing it was me, but frfrfrfrfr

Well I feel like he, knowing he had been given incognito by someone else rather than it being his own randomly assigned skill, would naturally take your greeting him the way you did as a sign that you likely were the one who gave it to him. Instead he called you nervous.

you're reaching so hard with the HPE defence that you have to argue with HPE about it. I don't know where you got that I'd have to assume I was given incognito. I mean, maybe, if I was really good at picking up signs and if had read the setup with attention. maybe you'd pick it up if you were in my shoes? but also why would I think someone would post pockety to me just because they've given me incognito?

[Gimli]

in other news I also dislike how RR is pushing HPE because revealing incognito isn't a scummy thing

[HighPrincessErinys]

damn, this one got pocketed while trying to pocket? it kneels to the true pocketeer

[Gimli]

damn, this one got pocketed while trying to pocket? it kneels to the true pocketeer

here here



thanks for the incognito

who do you think is kira, HPE?

[Aureal]

Adorable is perfectly understandable.

I do not agree with this. Even Adorable's own hydra partners started laughing there about, apparently, how Adorable has a reputation for being difficult to understand. Which Adorable definitely was there.

If you're going to use Meta to back this up I'd like to know if there's any actual content from Aureal that you are fond of that you can say holds up as town on its own.

Yeah Drew, are you gonna actually answer that question when it doesn't come from me??

(He won't.)

Of course after dissing Aureal 228 is solid. (but 229 is not!)

Well if you want me to elaborate a little more on 229 rather than throw out a quick 'this post pings me' response I can now that I've thought about it some. Hu's post felt flat and pointless. She says she was going to have a read on T-Bone but decided not to because someone said so. And asking for someone to link you to a scum game of theirs is basically always going to make me roll my eyes.

251 is a bit uncharitable. while I'm not fond of 229, it is just one question.

It's really not even a question so yes, it was very much uncharitable.

[Radical Rat]

in other news I also dislike how RR is pushing HPE because revealing incognito isn't a scummy thing

I didn't say it was scummy. It (the action) doesn't seem to make sense as any alignment here. I was just trying to understand its (the High Princess) thought process.