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usesPython They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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The problem with the tunneled town!Ranger theory is that normally when she's tunneled she starts twisting dayplay in the worst light possible while mech stays fairly solid (though minimal if it's not necessary). Here we're seeing the opposite; With the exception of the "no less vs at least" part if you take the mech at face value the dayplay argument is pretty solid. The problem is the mech being twisted with false equivalences causes the dayplay argument to fall apart, it's just the reverse of what kind of mistake we'd expect to see if Ranger was tunneledIn post 2221, Titus wrote: Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town. She's wanting the whole day to focus on me. Like uses said, she's better than this. Ideally, people should have let me defend myself from Ranger's bogus case but still.
Uses, do you think there's any possibility of tunneled Ranger?Plural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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Ya know what though, starting to get a town vibe from Titus now'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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And kinda a not so good vibe from Python'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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tell me more tell me more.In post 2228, Doctor Drew wrote: And kinda a not so good vibe from PythonYa basic!-
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"at least three" as a wording places focus on three with the possibility of more;In post 2203, ketchup777 wrote:the rest is awesome but can you just explain the 'no fewer than' vs 'at least' bit in more words
"no fewer than" as a wording places focus on the possibility of more with the three being the minimum.
Language usage matters.
"at least 3" would imply 3 with thepossibilityof more (where Titus could be the potential last Cop);
By stating 'no fewer than', Titus is implying there'sfar more than3.
That difference translates into the implication of the statement.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Word usage translates to different implied meaning. You can state the same thing in two different ways and convey entirely different meanings despite the thing not changing. You can say "I townread everyone except 3 players" and "I don't see town in 3 players". The two are technically conveying the same information, yet the way they are conveyed carries a different implication.In post 2208, usesPython wrote:
Those statements are logically identical.In post 2189, Ranger wrote:A scum-Titus gave it away with the bolded part, the true key. "no fewer than 3 cops".
Why did Titus assume there were?three cops, instead ofno fewer thanat leastthree
No fewer than three = three or more
At least three = three or more
At least 3 would've left more than 3 as the possibility, not a guarantee;
No fewer than 3 equates to an implication offar more than, which gives away Titus knew there were far more than 3.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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You are focusing on the specific setup example provided rather than the actual issue.In post 2210, usesPython wrote:At the risk of doing the same thing I accused ketchup of doing: because that'd still bare minimum generate one hard clear a day assuming perfect roleblocks, more realistically two+ clears a day which mechanically locks the game by d3 if scum get unlucky with checks and kills
Titus as town would have no way of knowing the setup. Titus as town would have no way of knowing she wasn't the last living investigative. There's thousands, millions, of possible setups Alianna could create where there's precisely three Cops, facing a scumteam which has answers to it.Why did Titus out despite the risk she was the last investigative? Especially given Titus has a strong habit of dealing in subtleties, her claim indicates she knew there were more Cops.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Again, try not to miss the issue of criticizing the exact setup I proposed and go on a pipeline of hypothetical extra setups.In post 2213, ketchup777 wrote:
with some ascetic townies thrown in for good measureIn post 2212, ketchup777 wrote:
this one I can get behind, however it’s possible they had 2 ascetic mafia or something vs 3 copsIn post 2210, usesPython wrote:
At the risk of doing the same thing I accused ketchup of doing: because that'd still bare minimum generate one hard clear a day assuming perfect roleblocks, more realistically two+ clears a day which mechanically locks the game by d3 if scum get unlucky with checks and killsIn post 2189, Ranger wrote:From the perspective of a town-Titus, why couldn't this have been a valid setup?Spoiler: Hypothetical Setup
The point isn't Titus claimed despite the possibility of(specific hypothetical setup ADFBGEGDP);
The point is Titus claimed despite howthere were countless setups where she could have been outing as the last investigative.
We know now those countless hypothetical setups don't exist, with hindsight of knowing the setup.
How did Titus,at the time she claimed, know those countless hypotheticals didn't exist?
You can have any number of setups with only 3 Cops; a town-Tituswouldn't know the setupenough to know we weren't in a 3-Cop setup.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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In response to this and the linguistics analysis of 'no fewer than' i understand and I back it. I’ve been out today but hopefully I can get out my outstanding end-of-day-1 questions (very late, I know) and then once they’ve been dealt with I’ll send Titus over the Styx to HadesIn post 2232, Ranger wrote:
You are focusing on the specific setup example provided rather than the actual issue.In post 2210, usesPython wrote:At the risk of doing the same thing I accused ketchup of doing: because that'd still bare minimum generate one hard clear a day assuming perfect roleblocks, more realistically two+ clears a day which mechanically locks the game by d3 if scum get unlucky with checks and kills
Titus as town would have no way of knowing the setup. Titus as town would have no way of knowing she wasn't the last living investigative. There's thousands, millions, of possible setups Alianna could create where there's precisely three Cops, facing a scumteam which has answers to it.Why did Titus out despite the risk she was the last investigative? Especially given Titus has a strong habit of dealing in subtleties, her claim indicates she knew there were more Cops.-
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You know better than to conflate life circumstances with strategic planning. I've been planning to deliver on this slip from the moment I spotted it; life prevented me until now.In post 2221, Titus wrote:Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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We disagree but we'll wait for Titus to start responding before we elaborateIn post 2232, Ranger wrote: There's thousands, millions, of possible setups Alianna could create where there's precisely three Cops, facing a scumteam which has answers to it.Plural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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Still this words about nothing. Everyone and their brother was claiming cop and is a cop. This is chopping a hair and it doesn't make any sense.In post 2230, Ranger wrote:
"at least three" as a wording places focus on three with the possibility of more;In post 2203, ketchup777 wrote:the rest is awesome but can you just explain the 'no fewer than' vs 'at least' bit in more words
"no fewer than" as a wording places focus on the possibility of more with the three being the minimum.
Language usage matters.
"at least 3" would imply 3 with thepossibilityof more (where Titus could be the potential last Cop);
By stating 'no fewer than', Titus is implying there'sfar more than3.
That difference translates into the implication of the statement.
Right now, at least one of you and uses is scum here.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Right. Life prevented it, despite responding to all the other times I asked. Ranger, at least own being manipulative.In post 2235, Ranger wrote:
You know better than to conflate life circumstances with strategic planning. I've been planning to deliver on this slip from the moment I spotted it; life prevented me until now.In post 2221, Titus wrote:Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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I still can't even parse Ranger's thing. Is she saying I assumed three cops exactly?
There's millions of possible setups but we act on likely.
At least 3 claims is likely but it was logical given the info we had all town are cops.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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VLA this weekendShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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why is at least one of Ranger or uses scumIn post 2237, Titus wrote:
Still this words about nothing. Everyone and their brother was claiming cop and is a cop. This is chopping a hair and it doesn't make any sense.In post 2230, Ranger wrote:
"at least three" as a wording places focus on three with the possibility of more;In post 2203, ketchup777 wrote:the rest is awesome but can you just explain the 'no fewer than' vs 'at least' bit in more words
"no fewer than" as a wording places focus on the possibility of more with the three being the minimum.
Language usage matters.
"at least 3" would imply 3 with thepossibilityof more (where Titus could be the potential last Cop);
By stating 'no fewer than', Titus is implying there'sfar more than3.
That difference translates into the implication of the statement.
Right now, at least one of you and uses is scum here.-
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Titus and Drew are oh so good at dodging questions. It won’t work tho. Please say Titus why Lap‘s post made you post 'Wtf?'.In post 2206, ketchup777 wrote:
Also please respond to this when you can TitusIn post 1987, ketchup777 wrote:
why did this make you u wtf titusIn post 1022, Titus wrote:
Wtf?In post 1019, Laplacian wrote: Yeah, it's a slightly cursed role. I 100% believe there's both a miller and roleblocker out there so I can't trust any results-
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I went Occam's.
Ranger, what do you think of my pool?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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If Ranger is town, scum uses wants a t v t AND cut me off from answering.In post 2241, ketchup777 wrote:
why is at least one of Ranger or uses scumIn post 2237, Titus wrote:
Still this words about nothing. Everyone and their brother was claiming cop and is a cop. This is chopping a hair and it doesn't make any sense.In post 2230, Ranger wrote:
"at least three" as a wording places focus on three with the possibility of more;In post 2203, ketchup777 wrote:the rest is awesome but can you just explain the 'no fewer than' vs 'at least' bit in more words
"no fewer than" as a wording places focus on the possibility of more with the three being the minimum.
Language usage matters.
"at least 3" would imply 3 with thepossibilityof more (where Titus could be the potential last Cop);
By stating 'no fewer than', Titus is implying there'sfar more than3.
That difference translates into the implication of the statement.
Right now, at least one of you and uses is scum here.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
GTKTitus Part 2
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Lap was suggesting cop but a cop that couldn't trust themselves. I didn't know what to do with it and posted off the cuff.In post 2242, ketchup777 wrote:
Titus and Drew are oh so good at dodging questions. It won’t work tho. Please say Titus why Lap‘s post made you post 'Wtf?'.In post 2206, ketchup777 wrote:
Also please respond to this when you can TitusIn post 1987, ketchup777 wrote:
why did this make you u wtf titusIn post 1022, Titus wrote:
Wtf?In post 1019, Laplacian wrote: Yeah, it's a slightly cursed role. I 100% believe there's both a miller and roleblocker out there so I can't trust any resultsShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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"scum!Python wants a tvt by defending E-1!Titus" is a pretty nuclear takeIn post 2244, Titus wrote: If Ranger is town, scum uses wants a t v t AND cut me off from answering.Plural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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I just get a vibe that python is working to actively protect Ranger(and in turn push Titus), and I feel like Titus just showed herself as town as well.In post 2229, Political Clout wrote:
tell me more tell me more.In post 2228, Doctor Drew wrote: And kinda a not so good vibe from Python
I have been going back and forth on Titus/Ranger, but this feels right finally'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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I kinda just want to unapologetically sheep Ranger here
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