Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Koishi Komeiji]

Jeez Aya, you are such an entitled brat.

YOU ARE GROUNDED YOUNG LADY.

NO FLYING UNTIL YOUR GRADES IMPROVE.

[Aya Shameimaru]

D:

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I am entitled to think that Larvae told the truth. That there is infact one within Kaguya and Dai

That was my notes on the posts, not Larvae's words

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Not touching today:
Clownpiece
Sanae
Yuuka
Marisa
Ichirin

Would begrudgingly compromise on but would need to be thoroughly convinced:
Kaguya
Daiyousei

What’s left:
Aya
Reisen
Kagerou
Koishi
Tenshi

hey i have less townreads than i thought

Actual post

[Aya Shameimaru]

I know now why the Caged Bird sings.

[Aya Shameimaru]

Not touching today:
Clownpiece
Sanae
Yuuka
Marisa
Ichirin

Would begrudgingly compromise on but would need to be thoroughly convinced:
Kaguya
Daiyousei

What’s left:
Aya
Reisen
Kagerou
Koishi
Tenshi

hey i have less townreads than i thought

Actual post

Oh. I see. Hmm.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I feel this is a strategic readwall. The game, at the time the post was made, the wagons were approximately Reisen and Kagura. Eternity may not have wanted the Kagura wagon to take off but didn't want to be off it if it did. They'd rather steer the lim towards any town at the bottom.

Clownpiece (or Marisa) is widely townread enough and it protects.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Clownpiece appears almost everytime Eterntity mentions three or more players.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Did you inherit your notes PT or were you given a new one?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Clownpiece appears almost everytime Eterntity mentions three or more players.

Plz.
Clown piece is also dead.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Maybe clownpiece was a death godfather all along...

[Marisa Kirisame]

You’re affirming Dai and town reading Dai.
So your end game is relatively clear to see.

I'm confused what this means.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

Empathy: but I’ve realized it’s just because it might be a non-AI puzzle they made intentionally to obscure and I hate those because they distract me from hunting.

I'm also unsure by what you mean here. How can someone intentionally obscure their alignment as town? Or what would a town-Kaguya be obscuring here, exactly?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Why am I not dead?
Or at least being voted.

I'm still in the middle of re-adjusting my reads. The bit I posted about you looking partnered is just a small bit. There is a lot more to consider.

The Kagerou replacement is definitely giving me more time to think though.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Did someone request a blank page? Well give me a few hours and you'll get some indecipherable reads.

Howdy!

Oh that's nice. I can't read your predecessor for the life of me so I'm excited to see what AI content you post.

Also, UNVOTE: I guess.

[Yuuka Kazami]

You’re affirming Dai and town reading Dai.
So your end game is relatively clear to see.

I'm confused what this means.

Kill Kaguya -> Be friends with Dai -> Vote me together. You're affirming them by using the same sort of reasoning, essentially validating their associative reads (which are wrong).

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

Empathy: but I’ve realized it’s just because it might be a non-AI puzzle they made intentionally to obscure and I hate those because they distract me from hunting.

I'm also unsure by what you mean here. How can someone intentionally obscure their alignment as town? Or what would a town-Kaguya be obscuring here, exactly?

For example, a player that doesn't want to be identified or meta guessed at may play how Kaguya is playing to obfuscate who they are. They're both town and interested in not being meta'd. Anonymous games are an opportunity to try new things or experience the game without prior existing relationships.

Why am I not dead?
Or at least being voted.

I'm still in the middle of re-adjusting my reads. The bit I posted about you looking partnered is just a small bit. There is a lot more to consider.

The Kagerou replacement is definitely giving me more time to think though.

Sure.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Kaguya I forgot if you gave any read this day ohase that didn't have to do with claims.

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

Spoiler: Quotes

I remember Reisen being pretty townie on my first re-read but deviant role PM formatting + Yuuka going up from live chatting is bringing them down. If you flip town they drop to the bottom of the list
Yuuka just feels like town when I've been live chatting with her recently, though this is primarily a D3 biased read and she was flying under my radar until now
Kagerou I think would be scum by POE if you flip town but I'm wouldn't bet the game on it there. Her arguments kind of remind me of the type of arguments scum tend to use when pushing me where they use my hyper-confident playstyle and call it TMI

this thread feels like watching Kaguya trying to pry open the PoE with a crowbar

this was a jokey post but the feeling behind it is absolutely real, Kaguya kinda feels like scum forgetting to keep up appearances in a way because they are so busy with all that's already on their mind?

Put more words to this and make me feel it.

Kaguya is acting pretty suddenly in a way that's very straight to the point and focused, it reads as if she kinda bypassed some of the steps to solving that people usually need to take, notice how a lot of her takes, come out effortlessly without a lot of solving visible to the naked eye, and while that's not inherently a scum trait, some of her posts like the one in 4595 read as if she already had an idea for a case and is fitting it the best way she can to answer Yuuka rather than like, trying to play *with* Yuuka?

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about with Kagerou, especially where if you read 4600 it's pretty clear 4595 was a rhetorical technique

Ok finally have time for this, I'm hoping to get the part 2 where I look over her D3 posting done later tonight.

There's a disconnect between Marisa's positions over D2 where she wants Sanae dead and her actual approach to Sanae where she's evidently treating her as town in the sense that they're collaboratively sortinging together and in posts like 3676 where it feels like she has to address stuff she knows is going to get looked over again once Sanae flips town. This is especially visible in her Sanae case in 3652 where by the look of it you'd think she'd be treating Sanae like confscum and solving for the rest of the team (Coincidentally Yuuka also pointed out this tonal disconnect in 3689 which makes me feel slightly better about her going up in my reads today)

Spoiler: Quote Wall

It was egging on the 1v1 (which the other half we can probably assume is town as well), and was assigning Ichirin scumminess for not having seen a Koishi post from a couple of hours before, which isn't actually scummy at all, so was functionally serving to pile-on/exacerbate the 1v1

Okay! I will have a look at it this evening.

Yes please
As well as the response I made to what you said to Koishi in the hood.

I think Yuuka probably needs to be re-evaluated as well.

Will do! Bye for now...

I think Koishi's 1391 looks a lot worse, especially knowing Ichirin is town

Nope, I don't see it at all! What I do see though is that both of your only scumreads last day phase are confirmed town now, and this is not a good look,

UwU

(Especially not because I called them out as being fake)

I think Koishi's 1391 looks a lot worse, especially knowing Ichirin is town

Nope, I don't see it at all! What I do see though is that both of your only scumreads last day phase are confirmed town now, and this is not a good look,

UwU

Those were my reads. They may have been wrong but they were my reads at the time

What are your reads now? How confident are you on me and Clownpiece-Chan being town?

Clownpiece pretty confident
You've dropped some, but probably below him and above the
Yuuka/Reisen/Kaguya tier

Probably something like

Aya/koishi -> mechanics
Clown
Dai
You
Kagerou
Kaguya/yuuki
Reisen

Why are you townreading Clown? And why are you scumreading Reisen?

vote-parking on Ichirin is sort of exactly

where I expect scum to be

Yuuka was on the sidelines while end-of-day yesterday went down, and that's sort of

where I'd expect scum to be

Elaborate on this?

Where

exactly

do you expect scum to be?

Also what exactly caused me to drop off? Be as precise as you can please.

Can I get a tldr of why sanae is scum since larva flipped scum?

Sanae is scum because:

- Her push on Koishi felt fake
- Her fight with Aya didn't feel TvT and Aya is confirmed
- She made 2371 which is a scum post because she already had

very confident

reads on both of us and didn't actually need the content
- We stayed her execution yesterday because she promised to self-vig, but then she didn't self vig
- Larva jumped on Sanae wagon and then jumped off in order to equalize the wagons which possibly helped in her execution being delayed
- Both of her big scumreads from day one are confirmed town now and one of her big townreads from day one flipped scum but her reaction is not to reevalutate the the game but to vote you without elaborating (i know she did say she reevaluated peoples positions after acceding aya and koichi are town but i expected more out of a townie). Also the fact that she was universally pushing only town day 1 (yeah i'm preflipping kagerou sorry not sorry) is a bad look.
- poe

Sanae is town because:

- She says she is town repeatedly
- I guess she had the same reads Clownpiece and I had early on and we're both town so maybe she was also town?
- yeah

I'm kinda busy irl till tommorrow but will say look at: Reisen, Kaguya, Yuuka, and Marisa tomorrow

Basically the same list as here, would probably swap Marisa and Kagerou

I'm sorry Sanae but if you are town your solving is really lame

Anyway I agree with Koishi and Clownpiece that we should wait for Aya and I also think we should wait for Reisen because as much as I would like to just pew pew everyone except Reisen, myself and the three conftown (I'll miss you), we don't really have enough clears for that so I would like to make sure Reisen is town before I clear her (or not).

Okay I should also note that I targeted Daiyousei with my active ability last night but I misread what it does so it's actually useless. However I actually read my PM today so hopefully next night I can do something useful. Or not! Maybe I'm just Vanilla Scarlet.

P-edit: You are so very welcome. Since we are not killing you until later, feel free to step up your solving! I may even go back to thinking you are super cool like I did back at the beginning of the game, when I called you Sanae-Sama.

This is tonal whiplash. But I don’t really know what, if anything to make of it. Can’t you two bicker in the scum PT if that’s what that is?

It's probably a combination of being bored to death of this day phase, alternating between role playing and not roleplaying, and talking to my scumread who I'm pushing as if she could be town because I really want to not be wrong so if she's town I want to find her but at the same time I'm pretty confident she's scum, that's producing the tonal whiplash.

Anyway if I were scum with Sanae, Daiyousei would've been dead eons ago and Larva would probably still have been alive.

ftr I'm not assuming that she is town. It's just that I'm finally able to give the game my full attention for the first time since the weekend and I want to explore different possibilities before we end the day.

Yeah I guess this makes sense in a scum!Sanae world. Knowing that all the non-voters were town basically meant that is Sanae was scum Larva had to change vote to let her live, since they couldn't count on non-voters. Also the Larva progression of voting Sanae and then working back into an Ichirin vote feels planned, which is more likely to happen in a scum!Sanae world than in a world where the wagons were TvT. Right? Someone sanity check me please.

Correction: I am limited to phone posting and light banter for the next twelve hours. The issue is not with me but a member of my family's health. Thankfully they are now asleep. So I am here keeping watch.

Koishi help me I'm going insane I hate deadlines I always make the wrong choice near deadlines. I should just vote Sanae right? And reevaluate if she flips town

Hmm on second look maybe it's less that there's a disconnect and more that there's a concerted effort to discredit all of Sanae's reads

Marisa being V/LA for most of D3 kinda sucks cause there's a big void

Marisa's extreme focus on me D3 is also Really Friggin Bad^TM, the only other reads she expressed this day are

My issue here is as other players go up, I'm left staring at my Yuuka read wondering why it's still so town and if I'm just insane.

Dai, please come solve with us, I KNOW there's a player in there who really wants to dig into this game and be heard by the herd, I saw it on day one well now's your chance.

While I gather up the hood, I invite you to mull over the middle section of 4297, as a starting point if nothing else.

Not a bad case.

Not but really, is this day just coming down to a 1v1 of Marisa v Kaguya?

Lord I hope not.

VOTE: Reisen Udongein Inaba

I might sheep you if Kaguya can do one (1) towny thing this day that doesn't have to do with mech.

Why is Marisa scumreading Reisen when she spent D2 thinking she's town enough to put her in her towncore?

Thank you, I will look at these when it's not late at night in Europe.

[Marisa Kirisame]

You’re affirming Dai and town reading Dai.
So your end game is relatively clear to see.

I'm confused what this means.

Kill Kaguya -> Be friends with Dai -> Vote me together. You're affirming them by using the same sort of reasoning, essentially validating their associative reads (which are wrong).

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

Empathy: but I’ve realized it’s just because it might be a non-AI puzzle they made intentionally to obscure and I hate those because they distract me from hunting.

I'm also unsure by what you mean here. How can someone intentionally obscure their alignment as town? Or what would a town-Kaguya be obscuring here, exactly?

For example, a player that doesn't want to be identified or meta guessed at may play how Kaguya is playing to obfuscate who they are. They're both town and interested in not being meta'd. Anonymous games are an opportunity to try new things or experience the game without prior existing relationships.

Why am I not dead?
Or at least being voted.

I'm still in the middle of re-adjusting my reads. The bit I posted about you looking partnered is just a small bit. There is a lot more to consider.

The Kagerou replacement is definitely giving me more time to think though.

Sure.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I should probably go back to roleplaying as a cute witch, shouldn't I? Then everyone (except Kaguya) will townread me again and I won't have to worry about being meta'd either.

[Aya Shameimaru]

Yuuka is right that were I convinced she were scum she would be omega dead rn

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Maybe clownpiece was a death godfather all along...

Ok I missed that too. I'm pretty human.

Despite me shooting myself in the foot with a twelve gauge shotgun, I think (as of my current reading) it's Kaguya and Marisa. Longshot Yuuka. Still need to read more but want to get something down.

Also, I don't see any prior notes.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Kaguya and Marisa

OMG this is the funniest possible universe.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kaguya

I'll start here.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kaguya and Marisa

OMG this is the funniest possible universe.

Then maybe I'll get on After Midnight with funny truth bombs.

But why is it funny?

[Yuuka Kazami]

They're voting each other.