Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[RationalMadman]

I can't see a 'town Awesomeming' attacking me with ridicule there rather than with exploring the very idea he said he'd prove wrong.

I also noticed that he was rapid to switch from saying I'm town to saying oops he's not a noob and isn't Town just like he tried to say the interaction with me and Kayjay is weird and then goes 'oh stop talking mafia theory you're wasting effort and it's annoying and it was the length of reply'. Absolutely nothing from Awesomeming seems Towny.

I am also less sure Nick Riviera is Town but what Nick Riviera does that I prefer is he never pretended to give a shit what I'm writing. There is a significant difference between that and pretending to read it later and combat it while failing to. Lazy town that don't want to read and like to ridicule is still townreadable it's to do with consistency. Awesomeming tries to appear friendly while trying to rile others up, pretends to defend others while laying the foundation to scumread them and then backs out of it when attacked. Everything about it is textbook scum behaviour, nothing about Awesomeming's series of activity this day phase reads as Town to me. I am either massively wrong or right on the money.

If you were massively wrong, how would this change your reads/the direction you'd look to go in?

I mean it's one data point. I am not sure is the answer, I have seen consistent scumtells from the player and total absence of town thought process. I can call him a severe anomaly but if he isn't a high skilled anomaly then it's my error. I genuinely don't think I am wrong to the extent the answer is difficult for me. Nothing about his actions during this DP add up if they're from a genuine Towny.

[KayJayQueue]

@KayJay
I've just noticed you haven't moved your vote since page 13, is Hu now your biggest suspicion?

I have no suspicion on Hu currently. RVS vote just chilled a little too long I guess.

Join me on

I’ll trust your gut until my gut wakes up.

VOTE: SaltiestCactus23

[Dannflor]

I hope Gibdo isn't scum

[Dannflor]

I think Grovyle is probably town being one of the only slots in the game to try and get discussion away from the RationalMadman discourse

I think the attempt to stir up something "spicy" by pushing me and then moving away or getting bored when he didn't really get a reaction is probably town

there's a whole lot of noise in this thread so this read isn't exceptionally strong, but grovyle is at least trying to cut through that noise to some degree

[Hu Tao]

What's your read on me, Mr. Flor?

[Dannflor]

you're probably the closest thing I have to a scum read at the moment

[Dannflor]

but I'm still reading

[Dannflor]

I think elements may be town

I would tend to agree

No one I'd really standing out as a scumread so far I think this is the closest to one VOTE: salty

As much as I hate this non-committal play.....coming from you I think it kinda makes you town heh

who are you? Why do you know me so well! How did you know I was town

I think this is kind of a weird response given I know you're pretty comfortable entering the game as noncommittal and with no reads as scum

[Hu Tao]

I think elements may be town

I would tend to agree

No one I'd really standing out as a scumread so far I think this is the closest to one VOTE: salty

As much as I hate this non-committal play.....coming from you I think it kinda makes you town heh

who are you? Why do you know me so well! How did you know I was town

I think this is kind of a weird response given I know you're pretty comfortable entering the game as noncommittal and with no reads as scum

Thanks for ruining my reaction test, Dann

[RationalMadman]

I think Grovyle is probably town being one of the only slots in the game to try and get discussion away from the RationalMadman discourse

I think the attempt to stir up something "spicy" by pushing me and then moving away or getting bored when he didn't really get a reaction is probably town

there's a whole lot of noise in this thread so this read isn't exceptionally strong, but grovyle is at least trying to cut through that noise to some degree

Agreed, his bouncing is Towny though it lacks followup it is much better than others did in this DP. It feels authentically trying to get reactions outside of the dynamic with me as you put it. I Townread him and you both firmly. I have looser Townreads on Nick Riviera and KayjayQueue and actually Elements is becoming a townread but is antitown despite it.

[Dannflor]

how is that a reaction test and for whom

[Elements]

@Rational

I'm re-reading your thoughts on awesomeming and don't fully follow what you said in 262, could you clarify that for me?

[Elements]

VOTE: Hu

[awesomeming327]

elements is lowkey cooking

[Elements]

elements is lowkey cooking

I'm like a pond-skater

[KayJayQueue]

Am I already sheeping a baddie?

[awesomeming327]

elements is lowkey cooking

I'm like a pond-skater

no you are a axolotl

[Dannflor]

not sure that I'm actually town reading Rational

[Dannflor]

I think Dann is solidly town here

can you describe this read

[Dannflor]

I'm scum reading Hu Tao and DrNickRiviera.

I think 111 and 113 from the Dr are more likely to come from scum.

1. the argument itself feels focused on catching Thomith in an inconsistency instead of trying to look at the tone or context surrounding Thomith's vote and unvote
   
2. the way the argument is presented as "everyone look at Exhibit A" is the kind of performative 'talking to the crowd' type rhetoric that comes from scum a lot more than town who think they are onto something

I'm not a huge fan of their posts later engaging Rational, they feel along the lines of how scum might try to engage Rational in order to look good but without really needing to engage in direct content.

I also don't understand why they have me as solidly town that feels out of nowhere

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I think Hu Tao's reaction to me in 333 is weird. There's not much genuine frustration here or an attempt to engage me, instead the focus is on the fact that Hu Tao was trying to reaction test, which feels overly LAMIST and honestly I expect more from town!hu at this stage in the game.

I also don't really think SaltiestCactus' posts are scummy but I do think they are the kind of low-hanging posts that scum like to jump on.

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as for other reads, I'm fine having Grovyle as town for now. I think elements is probably town too. I think her trajectory on Rational doesn't really make sense as scum. I think her initial vote is very visibly weak and I don't think scum makes such an optically bad vote. in general, I think at this point most scum players are going to be town reading Rational (maybe regardless of his alignment)

I think Rational probably leans town and that's probably the simplest answer to his frenzied posting, but I'm not as sure as I'd like to be. I think there's a certain point where most people, even if they strongly believe in what is optimal, will give in out of frustration or try to amicably work with people in some fashion. Rational not letting go of his "no eliminate on D1" philosophy to such a strong degree has me worried he might just be hiding behind that argument

I think Thomith leans towny, I think the way he's engaged so far (especially Rational) hasn't been all that performative and has been keen at trying to get some productive content going

[Dannflor]

i feel like i have more tangible reasons for the Dr but weirdly I'm less confident overall on those than I am with Hu Tao

and I'd like to sheep elements VOTE: hu tao

[KayJayQueue]

I sus Dann

[Dannflor]

why

[KayJayQueue]

Because you respond better to being scumread than townread lol

Honestly though, you always sound convincing no matter your alignment so I can’t actually read you/your posts and feel confident either way. I like your opinion on Thom. I think I agree about Rational but unfortunately, their posts do overwhelm me a bit. I’m not sold yet on Grovyle. Cactus is null to me. I don’t have a read either way on Hu. I’ve never experienced scum!Hu so I don’t know if I’m overlooking something obvious.

[RationalMadman]

@Rational
I'm re-reading your thoughts on awesomeming and don't fully follow what you said in 262, could you clarify that for me?

Either you are repeatedly trolling me or you and I don't think alike at all.

You've asked me for claim things again and again and every time you say my explanation needs an explanation. This is either intentional trolling or pointless to engage with as I already gave the explanations for several things.