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Can you claim? Then I'd love to get your reads on stuff. Can even back and forth if you're one of those people who are into that.
I'm a vt.
I haven't read much yet my first impression is that HPE really wants to win this game. A back and forth will probably help me get my reads up to date where should I start?
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Post #903 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:31 am
Postby the worst »
That's helpful to know, thank you. Actually asking for guidance was kind of goofy of me esp given there's like an entire 5 people alive and it's yeetlo so I'm gonna do my own thing & not listen anyway
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Post #905 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:41 am
Postby the worst »
I came in on my toes and I'll go out on my toes. unless I'm tired. I was never much good at ballet.
pg 6 update I like your replace in. Klick's vote on Deus was pretty half cooked and I'm really into the cakez wagon. I realise it was not correct but I feel the spirit of it.
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Post #906 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:42 am
Postby the worst »
I also forgot to hit submit on another thing but I liked ausuka's initial vote on cakez & the way she interacted in earnest w deus feels really authentic.
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Post #908 (isolation #8) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:04 am
Postby the worst »
D1 is a really annoying read I'm taking my time tbh. It's not an issue with any personality either. It's like, this game so far has been really interesting and polarising but it feels like everyone is voting the same people, not many meaningful questions are being flung around and there's like 3/9 people who are playing the game while everyone else is like "cursory observation *disappears*"
this might be uncharitable I just keep seeing tiny stuff that I would've yelled abt if I'd been here at the start of the game
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Post #912 (isolation #11) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:21 am
Postby the worst »
I'm starting to pick up a bit of momentum so I'm gonna try to not see anything else insightful until I catch up
I like your point that a lot of like, ostensibly towny players, on d1 are reaching the same reads even though those reads are not consistently correct. like either scum is comfortable w the status quo or scum do not have a way to establish revised status quo I guess.
I can already feel myself feeling like this game is solved but I think the universe is telling me to proceed a lot more cautiously w assuming you & ausuka are both town
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Post #913 (isolation #12) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:27 am
Postby the worst »
In post 380, SirCakez wrote:
people talking about n2 watcher being a bad claim - like yes no shit. Why would I claim this as scum? So many better options
In post 907, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
as someone who knows that we lose if its voted out today, we should probably kersplode gypyx
which scum teams do you see as viable?
This is a real bitch of a question to answer because you and gypyx is unlikely, but then that leaves only me and gypyx or gypyx and The Other Consensusly Townread Slots. like. yikes.
just having reads on slots isn't going to help anymore - town need to find pairs of two players who can be scum together to eliminate to win the game.
In post 918, the worst wrote:
I'm going to let my thoughts on the hammer post roll around in my head a little longer I think
woah that's the most believable rationale for scumreading me that i've seen so far
I think in a vacuum I understand the hammer post. feeling absolutely correct on cakez when he had a claim that was clearly diffusing the pressure on him a bit would feel not very good.
I also think if I was scum on d1 here and *knew* cakez was town he would be a deeply annoying person to have cleared and treated like town. particularly if e.g. I had a partner who wasn't exactly swimming.
I'm also wary that a d1 tpr claim doesn't get you ~cleared~ exactly and if scum are confident enough they can just leave a n2 watcher alive into yeetlo and kinda hope for a guilty so they can push back lol BUT if scum are in any kind of trouble of losing a member and d1 then a n2 watcher is an instant loss condition
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Post #928 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:44 am
Postby the worst »
there's also this tremendous spectrum and on one end is conspiracy and the other is text as written and I don't have all that much time to assess where on the spectrum I exist or where I need to exist so that's neat and cool I guess
In post 907, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
as someone who knows that we lose if its voted out today, we should probably kersplode gypyx
which scum teams do you see as viable?
This is a real bitch of a question to answer because you and gypyx is unlikely, but then that leaves only me and gypyx or gypyx and The Other Consensusly Townread Slots. like. yikes.
just having reads on slots isn't going to help anymore - town need to find pairs of two players who can be scum together to eliminate to win the game.
psyche/drew
shrugs the mightiest shrug of all time
My d1 reads are usually not fantastic but like dang that would make me so sad
Is there anything about Psyche & drew that seems like, aligned or specifically working to get each other to a winning endgame, from your pov?
In post 907, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
as someone who knows that we lose if its voted out today, we should probably kersplode gypyx
which scum teams do you see as viable?
This is a real bitch of a question to answer because you and gypyx is unlikely, but then that leaves only me and gypyx or gypyx and The Other Consensusly Townread Slots. like. yikes.
just having reads on slots isn't going to help anymore - town need to find pairs of two players who can be scum together to eliminate to win the game.
psyche/drew
shrugs the mightiest shrug of all time
My d1 reads are usually not fantastic but like dang that would make me so sad
Is there anything about Psyche & drew that seems like, aligned or specifically working to get each other to a winning endgame, from your pov?
This isn't scepticism btw I genuinely feel like I need a check on Psyche & drewsuka. there's this like kinda simplistic world where the scumteam is you/gypyx and that's right some of the time but if it's not right this time I kind of need to check myself.
Psyche's d1 is mostly pretty solid but it gets content and I do see a world where scum views that hammer as a considered necessity. I also trust Psyche to know Psyche well enough to know whether the hammer is redeemable or not.
Ausuka's handling of d1 wagons feels really pure - I liked her play around Deus like, a lot. I like the way she approached Cakez and in broad strokes I tended to either agree with or at least vibe with most of her reads. She was also just really low presence by the end of d1 so I probably need to see more from her/drew on d1 to feel like, phenomenally confident.
In post 415, Psyche wrote:
oh in retrospect its only a little better than a null read
i liked his soliloquy about voting cakez enough to not want to lim him that day
still wonder if there's anything to anyone's votes on him
i don't think i ever saw anything really articulated
I kinda like how psyche corrects himself in answer to me asking for more, as if he really didn't think about how to present this read (which is a step that scum kinda has to go through)
the reaction to the wagon also looks very much content focus? like, i'm not saying effort = town but i feel like he cares more about the votes being hard to extract content from
In post 420, Psyche wrote:
it seems pretty easy to write a believable interpretation of my posts on this page that convey the opposite take so i guess i should credit you for not doing that
In post 421, Gypyx wrote:
Psyche we have to tone down our theater a bit i fear they'll be onto something
I'm onto u two.
I kind of think I'd have voted gypyx for this post on d2.
a better takeaway for solving yeetlo is that gypyx is either tmi-img a fairly unnatural position to reach or gypyx has just had a moment of divine intervention. psyche's reaction feels tangibly relieved. so I guess what I'm getting at is I specifically don't think this chain of posts comes from a psyche/gypyx scumteam.
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Post #934 (isolation #25) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:07 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 431, Psyche wrote:
by the way, me trying to draft a post and not pulling it off is at worst only around as bad as actively deciding to just float through the game and hope everything turns out okay
actually I guess promising to write the post is weakly positive because that felt like something psyche would specifically benefit from at the time. not following through tends to be a decision or indecision which is not connected to the promise which I don't think is alignment indicative given there's just no enthusiasm about solving the game at this point. gamestate very underdeveloped.
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Post #938 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:44 pm
Postby the worst »
Potentially. The other voice in my head is like "what if psyche just townreads ausuka". Do you think psyche's reasoning feels pretty believable and authentic overall?
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Post #939 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:47 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 435, Gypyx wrote:
Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there
actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)
PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead end
This read feels really underdeveloped tbh I know it's my slot so I'm a bit biased but PC was the one who pushed a half baked wagon to e-1, I'm not sure how that's consistent with trying to enforce a glacial gamestate. PC just feels busy.
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Post #940 (isolation #29) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:52 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 439, Psyche wrote:
think gypx/robert has better likelihood of the combos that seem plausible. despite signposting a robert scumread a few times, she missed the wagon when it had momentum and settled on cakez instead. but i could afford to take a closer look at wagon status across her posts to further examine these ideas.
gypx/snow back and forth by comparison doesn't seem very likely to be scum talking to scum but this is a vague take
I did not piece things together this concisely really good point.
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Post #943 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:07 pm
Postby the worst »
Gypyx is seeing something I fundamentally do not see. It's also about my own slot but I don't know why she would think PC was pro stagnant gamestate and I also don't fully understand why she would think that would work as an angle I'm just left kinda confused
In post 938, the worst wrote:
Potentially. The other voice in my head is like "what if psyche just townreads ausuka". Do you think psyche's reasoning feels pretty believable and authentic overall?
Yeah.
I generally think it's pretty hard to fake an authentic seeming read on someone you know that you're scum with, so I'd probably in the abstract call that a point against an ausuka/psyche scumteam. Its also a little hard to fake authentic sounding reads as scum but it's obviously a skill that you'd want to develop so I think I'd call it a point against psyche being scum too
In post 907, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
as someone who knows that we lose if its voted out today, we should probably kersplode gypyx
which scum teams do you see as viable?
This is a real bitch of a question to answer because you and gypyx is unlikely, but then that leaves only me and gypyx or gypyx and The Other Consensusly Townread Slots. like. yikes.
just having reads on slots isn't going to help anymore - town need to find pairs of two players who can be scum together to eliminate to win the game.
psyche/drew
shrugs the mightiest shrug of all time
My d1 reads are usually not fantastic but like dang that would make me so sad
Is there anything about Psyche & drew that seems like, aligned or specifically working to get each other to a winning endgame, from your pov?
This isn't scepticism btw I genuinely feel like I need a check on Psyche & drewsuka. there's this like kinda simplistic world where the scumteam is you/gypyx and that's right some of the time but if it's not right this time I kind of need to check myself.
Psyche's d1 is mostly pretty solid but it gets content and I do see a world where scum views that hammer as a considered necessity. I also trust Psyche to know Psyche well enough to know whether the hammer is redeemable or not.
Ausuka's handling of d1 wagons feels really pure - I liked her play around Deus like, a lot. I like the way she approached Cakez and in broad strokes I tended to either agree with or at least vibe with most of her reads. She was also just really low presence by the end of d1 so I probably need to see more from her/drew on d1 to feel like, phenomenally confident.
In all honesty Psyche's reasons for townreading Drewsuka seem overall pretty good but like this one's said before alot of it is perhaps Drew using Ausuka's strong posting as a smokescreen. Like his vibes are good but this one doesn't think his content is as good. Would need to properly check in on that idea, though.
Psyche commented on it, but what are your opinions on my take about the voting pattern I pointed out yesterday? And why it still makes a gyp/PC team possible
Also since I am now Drewsuka, I am trying to find a good name for PC and the worst.
the worst poilitics
Politically worst
the worst Clout
I got nothing
Worstical Clout is the best I could think of, drewsuka came so naturally
In post 938, the worst wrote:
Potentially. The other voice in my head is like "what if psyche just townreads ausuka". Do you think psyche's reasoning feels pretty believable and authentic overall?
Yeah.
I generally think it's pretty hard to fake an authentic seeming read on someone you know that you're scum with, so I'd probably in the abstract call that a point against an ausuka/psyche scumteam. Its also a little hard to fake authentic sounding reads as scum but it's obviously a skill that you'd want to develop so I think I'd call it a point against psyche being scum too
I have been at work, but skimmed today's posting and your catchup
Like why is this something you are considering?
I'm talking thru HPE's perspective bc I haven't quite worked out where they're coming from yet
The PC wagon is a lil surreal I don't vibe with gypyx's read on my slot like, at all, but I think I don't mind HPE's read on my pred. I also wonder how natural it is for scum!HPE ti replace in, see its partner Gypyx slowly wind up to a vote on PC with an awkward explanation, then thoroughly talk through its own read on PC just to justify jumping onto a wagon with only its scumbuddy on it
In post 507, Psyche wrote:
think scum gypx is capable of seeing the value in pushing a snowtown case at this step in the game though yeah it has town equity
i mean i think most people are capable of doing most things as scum. in this game in particular i think it's difficult to read into things because scum aren't being, like, forced into things. which like i will hold my hand up and say yeah that's partially my fault but it's still true
i think it's like a counterintuitive thing to do as scum so +town
I keep rereading this post like why does it feel like ausuka was forced to paraphrase Psyche's post at gunpoint
I guess it's possible she just had no strong feeling I guess
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Post #958 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:17 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 531, Psyche wrote:
T3's opposition to the cakez wagon seems robust. Dived into meta, produced reasoning about cakez's claim that seems like it should have been even more compelling in retrospect. If it were just white-knighting, I think the townread would have either been half-hearted or been motivated more by gut / town / leaky reasons. The swap from Gypx to Robert for counterwagon purposes also seems organic. Is unfortunate for me, but think my T3 townread is in "I'm willing to bet the game on this" territory.
+2 posts above I'm just calling it I really don't think you're scum this game.
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Post #959 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:19 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 534, Psyche wrote:
also think it unlikely that layla would have been killed N1 if her reads were bad
and all of layla's posts put robert and gypx at the bottom of her reads lists, with clout/snow safely perched above three other candidates, and only below obvtown
further think there's a lot of informational value in limming robert's slot if we can neither clear it nor agree on someone else
this post should include a take on HPE's current iso but it doesn't, vry disappointing
I'm not sure it's as easy to sheep dead town in micros tbh but I'll grant this.
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Post #967 (isolation #44) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:32 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 562, Psyche wrote:
can i get more opinions on T3?
am i right to townlock him despite these recent posts? is the trajectory of his psyche read believable?
it's so stubborn
huh. maybe I actually secretly like the stubbornness of gypyx's posts a little bit.
In post 612, Psyche wrote:
i will now go through the trouble of summarizing my towncase for PC in a single, decently formatted post
if my confidence in this towncase can be broken in a way that makes snowscum way less likely, i'll push off
otherwise i'll spend the rest of the day trying to form a town bloc with drew and (???) T3
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Post #971 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:43 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 633, Gypyx wrote:
"-if no majority is reached by the deadline, whoever has the most votes is executed. if there are multiple tied wagons, i will choose randomly between them"
Gypyx is aware of the risk of calling for even one more vote on her buddy
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Post #974 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:52 pm
Postby the worst »
I do not think psyche is scum.
I don't super love the gypyx/hpe solve. It just feels like they've made some strange decisions if they're scum together
Specifically on d2, HPE talking itself onto a wagon Gypyx was championing, then Gypyx calling for tying votes on HPE at end, feels...actually fuck maybe this bus makes a lot more sense than it felt in the moment. I guess an HPE/Gypyx team is actually p vulnerable and doing some weird shit to distance does make sense.
The point I wanted to make is that i townread ausuka earlier and I don't really feel all that strongly about that read anymore.
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Post #976 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:57 pm
Postby the worst »
Valid. I'm a bit of a sceptic about solving out of ELo content at all but I guess my entire read on drew so far has been some brand of "this sure is drew"
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Post #985 (isolation #56) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:42 pm
Postby the worst »
Honestly all things considered I think I'm just looking for gypyx/hpe to *not* be the solve. when I revisit like hpe finding a way onto gypyx's wagon and gypyx calling for votes on HPE actually kinda makes sense. I also think we should be looking a bit closer at drewsuka though and I'm not confident on who drew has better partner equity with.
