Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[RationalMadman]

Never ever demand me to justify my reads or talk to me with disrespect when in the wrong position to do either. Just a word of advice. I'm not rolling over.

[RationalMadman]

Let's actually play a game shall we?

Who are the hypocrites voting RM

Let's begin with Elements... Drumroll...

[RationalMadman]

1. Can't justify. Asingke fucking read all game to the point she got a VIP pass to blindly wagon whoever the fuck she pleased all DP1 and we shrug as it's adorable little Elements, she can't help it.

2. Outs at vanilla Townie for no reason at all. Helping Scum narrow down PRs if real. But it's ok, not policy eliminated because it's Elements.

3. Toxic and snarky to me throughout the game, asking explanations of EVERYthing I say and do while justifying NOTHING, no reads no votes fucking nothing at all but it's okay right? She is Elements, not a player that has tombe held up to standards.

4. Votes me while no doubt at all telling others who'd vote in anger or for stupid reasons to improve and up their game.

[RationalMadman]

Ohhhh let's not forget 5. Votes Dannflor while he wasn't in her voting pool but Hu Tao was, while Awesomeming wasn't. She doesn't need to explain any of it she is Elements.

[RationalMadman]

Number 2.... Black.

Well, I quoted most of it so it should be obvious but similarly to Elements there is a plethora of things she can do but RM and others can't

1. Demands reads from RM to be justified at all times while justifying NONE of her own even admitting she is voting against her supposedly Town winconditon and voting off RM now. Bravo!

2. Tells RM he is angry, mad and toxic while being toxic to him both then and later ridiculing him asnapthetic and voting him off as a policy of... What's the policy? Having backbone? While having backbone and being one snarky individual herself.

[RationalMadman]

Who wants to be number 3, go ahead. Let sexpose all these hypocrites. Elmininated or not, I can help Town see you for what you are (or die trying).

[RationalMadman]

Let's expose*

[RationalMadman]

Oh and let's not forget, voting in angry madness while telling RM to be calm and composed (or is it an act)

[Thomith]

@Rational - here were my votes Day 1

VOTE: Elements

I believe I explained this at the time, I felt as if votes on you (Rational), assuming you are town, would have a chance of there having scum within those votes attempting to vote for an easy target due to the polarising nature of your gameplay, while not outright having to explain a read on you either way, being able to justify a vote without really incriminating themselves.
Elements jump on you early gave those vibes for me (however, she later explained things and I moved away from this).

VOTE: cCS
I think I dislike this vote on me the most.

From my POV, I am town. Therefore, I have reason to believe that scum are likely on my wagon in some capacity to push a mislim. In my mind, of the people that did vote me, I felt CCS seemed to be voting me in a way that made me feel as if he was not really trying to solve the game? It was mainly vibes, but his vote on my wagon felt the most weird to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goofball

*poke*

I voted Goofball because they weren't doing much.

Hu's scumread on KJQ feels as fake as her scumread on Dann. I understand the concept of wanting to give a replacement a chance to salvage the slot but she disregarded her KJQ scumread so easily. It doesn't feel like a natural reaction to me

I was about to dispute this as a harsh read of the situation, as I didn't think Hu Tao strongly scumread Kay and just felt weird about her, and the unvote made sense if she did genuinely think she would feel more confident reading you later.

I reread the Kay vote though, and that didn't seem to be the case, that felt like a "I'm pretty sure you're scum" reason for a vote.
I think I'm inclined to agree with you because of that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hu Tao

I believe this was durinng the Hu Tao vs. Dann part of Day 1, where I had been pretty strongly townreading Dann for most of Day 1, and I do also feel as if I justified my vote on Hu Tao in this post.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: awesomeming

let's see where this goes.

As mentioned, at this point in time I decided to sheep two town reads, in you/dann, as I was not sure what direction I was really going at this point of the day.

[tris]

VC 2.02

Hu Tao (3):

Grovyle in a Fedora 1370, DrNickRiviera 1432, Gibdo 1495

camelCasedSnivy (2):

ActionDan 1300, Hu Tao 1482

Black (2):

RationalMadman 1450, DrippingGoofball 1484

RationalMadman (2):

Elements 1510, Black 1512

Not Voting:

Thomith, camelCasedSnivy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-27 14:08:00)

[RationalMadman]

@Rational - here were my votes Day 1

VOTE: Elements

I believe I explained this at the time, I felt as if votes on you (Rational), assuming you are town, would have a chance of there having scum within those votes attempting to vote for an easy target due to the polarising nature of your gameplay, while not outright having to explain a read on you either way, being able to justify a vote without really incriminating themselves.
Elements jump on you early gave those vibes for me (however, she later explained things and I moved away from this).

VOTE: cCS
I think I dislike this vote on me the most.

From my POV, I am town. Therefore, I have reason to believe that scum are likely on my wagon in some capacity to push a mislim. In my mind, of the people that did vote me, I felt CCS seemed to be voting me in a way that made me feel as if he was not really trying to solve the game? It was mainly vibes, but his vote on my wagon felt the most weird to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goofball

*poke*

I voted Goofball because they weren't doing much.

Hu's scumread on KJQ feels as fake as her scumread on Dann. I understand the concept of wanting to give a replacement a chance to salvage the slot but she disregarded her KJQ scumread so easily. It doesn't feel like a natural reaction to me

I was about to dispute this as a harsh read of the situation, as I didn't think Hu Tao strongly scumread Kay and just felt weird about her, and the unvote made sense if she did genuinely think she would feel more confident reading you later.

I reread the Kay vote though, and that didn't seem to be the case, that felt like a "I'm pretty sure you're scum" reason for a vote.
I think I'm inclined to agree with you because of that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hu Tao

I believe this was durinng the Hu Tao vs. Dann part of Day 1, where I had been pretty strongly townreading Dann for most of Day 1, and I do also feel as if I justified my vote on Hu Tao in this post.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: awesomeming

let's see where this goes.

As mentioned, at this point in time I decided to sheep two town reads, in you/dann, as I was not sure what direction I was really going at this point of the day.

I'm not really in the frame of mind to care what is said here but I'll read it later to see if it's BS or not.

Vote me or Black please. Elements is acceptable too. Ty. This is pure war, I am going to show them what happens when you abuse the player with highest towncred. Some have to learn the hard way. Choose wisely yourself.

[Thomith]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

[ActionDan]

I prefer voting red scum, not the green kind

[Black]

Ping

Hi can we get your thoughts on the game?

[RationalMadman]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Iw as voting Black before the argument. Black Elements ActionDan and DrNickRiviera are the legitimate poo of 4 I believe 2 Scum are inside.

Yes there is you there, there are also Gibdo and Grovyle.

Grovyle seems like Town that has some ego issues where he thinks he's humbling me while he is needing it himself. Can't justify any of his reads yet wants me to justify mine and calls any additional info after DP1 drivel and my DP1 leading on awesomeming cringe.

He could truly be scum that is that obvious about it all but I feel like there was a killer clue in DP1...

Awesomeming gave up. He didn't vote Dannflor who we now know is/was Town. He simply outed 'I am tracker' and didn't even try to fake reads. These things added together tell me that at least 1 partner of his was voting him (or just about to in the case of Elements) telling him it's over for him, in the scum chat. Dannflor dying also adds onto this. If they presume I'm having protective role on me or his partners think I'm a lucky moron, either way around it means Dannflor dying helps frame Hu Tao and CCS because those 2 were scumread by many and on Dannflor by the end.

Who would do that combination? Probably Black or Elements. I get a personality read on Gibdo that he just isn't quite that 'grand mastermind' type. He was Townread by Dannflor and would less likely kill to frame and more likely just kill whoever he felt was the greatest threat. Even if he was led by his partner to kill Dannflor, that partner surely wasn't HT or CCS.

[RationalMadman]

VC 2.02

camelCasedSnivy (3):

Elements 1281, ActionDan 1300, Hu Tao 1482

Hu Tao (3):

Grovyle in a Fedora 1370, DrNickRiviera 1432, Gibdo 1495

Black (2):

RationalMadman 1450, DrippingGoofball 1484

RationalMadman (2):

Elements 1510, Black 1512

Not Voting:

Thomith, camelCasedSnivy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-27 14:08:00)

You still have Elements voting CCS here btw. It's telling she led on him though.

[RationalMadman]

@drippinggoofball
@hu tao
are you open to vote Elements?

HT Townreads Black, I scumread both Black and Elements equally.

[RationalMadman]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

[RationalMadman]

But it's not so perfect that I insist others stick to the 6 voting me. So it will take 5 not 4 bad townies, to make this a true disaster.

[Thomith]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

I'd agree more if this argument felt entirely game related, but it genuinely doesn't seem that way, at least to me. It feels more born of frustration than anything.

[RationalMadman]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

I'd agree more if this argument felt entirely game related, but it genuinely doesn't seem that way, at least to me. It feels more born of frustration than anything.

Read it with zero emotions and it becomes obvious if it's true or false.

[Thomith]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

I'd agree more if this argument felt entirely game related, but it genuinely doesn't seem that way, at least to me. It feels more born of frustration than anything.

Read it with zero emotions and it becomes obvious if it's true or false.

I feel like the votes on you were made because of emotions though, so I'm not sure what ignoring that fact achieves?

[tris]

VC 2.02

camelCasedSnivy (3):

Elements 1281, ActionDan 1300, Hu Tao 1482

Hu Tao (3):

Grovyle in a Fedora 1370, DrNickRiviera 1432, Gibdo 1495

Black (2):

RationalMadman 1450, DrippingGoofball 1484

RationalMadman (2):

Elements 1510, Black 1512

Not Voting:

Thomith, camelCasedSnivy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-27 14:08:00)

You still have Elements voting CCS here btw. It's telling she led on him though.

fixed

[RationalMadman]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

I'd agree more if this argument felt entirely game related, but it genuinely doesn't seem that way, at least to me. It feels more born of frustration than anything.

Read it with zero emotions and it becomes obvious if it's true or false.

I feel like the votes on you were made because of emotions though, so I'm not sure what ignoring that fact achieves?

Don't be so naive.

If you are Town here, excluding a Gibdo NickRiviera combo, I am quite sure the scum is at least with 1 vote on me at this exact moment.

And unlike what Grovyle thinks, I am not basing it on drivel. I genuinely use so many different factors in reading, I am over 85% certain at least 1 of black or elements is scum if you aren't.

In fact I could say exactly 87% is the percentage.

The 13% is a combo such as Gibdo-X or Nick-Goofball being in the mix. It is significantly unlikely to me but I'd say if I add onto it the issue that you can be scum here, I end up low 80% sure they're scum.

So, I am telling you this Thomith. If you are not scum, I am 87% certain scum is voting me. I 13% consider a combination of things viable to make them words that would only be insulting. They called me pathetic let's run with that word.

[ActionDan]

I am 89% sure that RM is making up 55% of the content he is writing about 90.90909090% of the players he is talking about