It's postgame, mod tyranny says fuck your pagetop.In post 3475, Sunflower wrote: pagetop
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ShowHave retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~
And then, a Miracle, a Dance Game and a flight of fancy struck, one more game into the abyss
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NOOOOOOOIn post 3475, Cabd wrote:
It's postgame, mod tyranny says fuck your pagetop.In post 3475, Sunflower wrote: pagetop-
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You are my new favorite modIn post 3475, Cabd wrote:
It's postgame, mod tyranny says fuck your pagetop.In post 3475, Sunflower wrote: pagetop'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'actually ya drew is useless' - Snivy
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo-
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Hi prism, thank you for the kind words and for the much appreciated feedback. you were great to play with and I look forward to joining other games with you!In post 3466, Prism wrote: I've got time to do a more general breakdown+individualized notes, but they'll be broken up.
Before I get into individualized commentary, it might help to collect my global mechanical commentary in one post. We made many fumbles here and they are all simple fixes. The explanations are abbreviated, so don't expect completeness.
First 5 comments:
Spoiler: ActionDan
Spoiler: Enchant
Spoiler: Gimli
Spoiler: Black
Spoiler: Doctor DrewI'll tie your legs
Keep you against my chest-
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thanks morph for modding! <3
congrats scum! you definitely earned this winI'll tie your legs
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@black: I apologise for the harsh comments and upsetting you. I was also playing under very upsetting circumstances and trying to make the best of it, so I didn't take your original response @ me lightly.
I was also probably much harsher than I could've been in dead thread, because the game was a constant frustrating thought I kept having. that's also @ drew and @ alisae, sorry folks.
as I told you privately, I like you and I like playing with you. from where I stand we're fine, and I hope you can forgive my upsetting personality while playing mafia games. I promise its never ever personal.
here is a heartie <3I'll tie your legs
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I don't think you crossed a line Gimli. I did. I appreciate you for the apology but I think you deserve one way more than me. I'm sorry and I promise I won't lash out at you like that again <3-
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I also want to apologize if I was rude in any case to anyone or harsh to deal with. Thanks for the game
Also want to thank the mods again for the design. Looked really design-heavy and I'm all for it. Absolutely loved the effort that was put in the flavors and mechanical aspects of the game.-
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I also want to apologise. Not for anything in particular, but all the awesome people are doing it and I want in on the action-
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Aww, I was going to cackle evilly about still having a secret PT to cackle evilly in unlike the townies, but apparently it's also locked and not entirely secret.
VOTE: morph for PT double standards"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Your Hereafter thread was part of the game design, not a personal notes PT. I double checked all the threads before making them public (or not), but If I accidentally made anything public I shouldn't have, please let me know (I'll even self-vote!)In post 3486, Aureal wrote: Aww, I was going to cackle evilly about still having a secret PT to cackle evilly in unlike the townies, but apparently it's also locked and not entirely secret.
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Yeah, I fully expected it to be made public and have been wondering when it was going to happen since it wasn't included with the others. I didn't think it wasthatspicy! Turns out it was actually sneakily accessible though."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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So, we're not gonna get to see the full setup, are we?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I've drafted a post with all the actions that happened in each phase. Cabd needs to review it. Even after two sets of eyeballs we may have missed something. But, I'm sure they'll come to light in discussion.
We're going to save the unused dreams for a possible third game design. We'd need to do a lot of tweaking, but they'll be useful to get started with. Other than unseen dreams, I think everything is or will be made public in our next big post.-
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/prein for that one whenever it comes aroundI'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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Yeah we made a few minor errors due to how complex the setup was. Entirely on me for being way too complex a madman. Ffery's innocent. Ish.ShowHave retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~
And then, a Miracle, a Dance Game and a flight of fancy struck, one more game into the abyss
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In post 3491, ActionDan wrote: /prein for that one whenever it comes around-
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Actually I do have to apologize for something aside from voting Kiri. It's not bringing the real 2013 energy into the game.
heheHEHEHEHUEHAUEHAUHAARGHKKHKFHEUAUAHUAI'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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Still sad about beign wrong about the waterfall dream-
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Still hoping I can get to everyone, but if not, I am hoping to play again over the summer. I should be free starting May 8th, so invite me if you'd like to play and think the game would be a good fit. I favor opens and themes.-
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Cabd hasn't had a chance to go over this, so any missing stuff is entirely my fault.
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Moonrise 1
Bad Dreams Secret Reveal: You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well...
Dream Votes:
Forget 11, I just turned the dial to 12! (8): Gimli, Kyoko Kirigiri, Klick, Hu Tao, Aureal, Ydrasse, Silver Ravens, Prism
This slide never seems to end... (2): Von Payne, Chipotle Catgirl,
You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well... (8): Gimli, DragonEater70, Kyoko Klick, Hu Tao, Aureal, Silver Ravens, Sunflower, Prism
Protest is effective, but why have we super glued ourselves to each other, exactly? (3): Von Payne, Ydrasse, Sunflower
I'm 30 years old, why do I still need a car seat? (5): (DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Aureal, Silver Ravens, Prism
These sheeple have.. fur? And horns? Wait these are literally sheep people (8): Gimli, Von Payne, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Klick, Hu Tao, Ydrasse, Sunflower
Bad Dreams Discard: Forget 11, I just turned the dial to 12!
Dream Interpreter Reveal (ActionDan): This slide never seems to end...
Dreamer's Dream reveal (Catgirl Chipotle): You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well...
Dreamer's Dream choice (Catgirl Chipotle): These sheeple have.. fur? And horns? Wait these are literally sheep people
Day 1
Von Payne Game Thread Neighborize Choice: Sunflower
Hu Tao is eliminated
Twilight 1
None
Night 1
Game Thread Neighborhood is formed. Von Payne and Sunflower have night chat
DragonEater70 hides behind Aureal. Succeeds and dies.
Kyoko Kirigiri gives Gimli/Enchant Ectoplasmic camera
Bad Dreams' Secret Reveal: I'm Superman!
Sunflower targets Gimli with "In your dreams". Sunflower learns that Gimli is not the current dreamer
Aureal targets Prism with "There is no refuge...". Aureal Learns that Prism is a Deep Sleeper
Moonrise 2
Dream Votes:
My house started flooding while I was watching TV (1): Aureal
Wait so it works on even the parts it doesn't cover? (6): Action Dan, Gimli/Enchant, Von Payne, Kyoko Kirigiri, Sunflower, Prism
I'm superman! (7): Action Dan, Gimli/Enchant, Von Payne, Kyoko Kirigiri, Ydrasse, Silver Ravens, Prism
I sat down to the DND table and cast my favorite spell. (7): ActionDan, Enchant/Gimli, Von Payne, Ydrasse, Silver Ravens, Sunflower, Prism
Doesn't EVERYBODY hate Trigonometry? (1): Aureal
MorphTheCat are pure evil. We, the players, wish to inflict harm upon them. We are all out in the village with our pitchforks ready! (5): Kyoko Kirigiri, Aureal, Ydrasse, Silver Ravens, Sunflower
Bad Dreams Discard: Wait so it works on even the parts it doesn't cover?
Dream Interpreter Reveal (ActionDan): I sat down to the DND table and cast my favorite spell.
Dreamer's Dream reveal (Catgirl Chipotle): I'm Superman!
Dreamer's Dream choice (Catgirl Chipotle): I'm Superman! Chooses Silver Ravens to receive it.
Day 2
Von Payne Game Thread Neighborize Choice: Catgirl Chipotle
Aureal is eliminated
Twilight 2
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Night 2
Game Thread Neighborhood is activated. Von Payne, Sunflower and Catgirl Chipotle have night chat
Enchant uses the ectoplasmic camera to copy Night 2's Dream (I'm Superman)
Kyoko Kirigiri sends Mysterious Sportscar to Prism. This invention is a commute.
Bad Dreams' Secret Reveal: My house started flooding while I was watching TV
Sunflower targets ActionDan with "In your dreams". Sunflower learns that Action Dan is not the Dreamer
Silver Ravens kills Prism. Succeeds
Moonrise 3
Dream votes:
A bold knight in shining armor came to fight me. Rescue me. Something like that (2): Von Payne, Ydrasse
Up the stairs of the giant tower I went. (3): ActionDan, Kyoko Kirigiri, Sunflower
That disco ball has a hat? And uh, a crack pipe? (4): Actiondan, Kyoko Kirigiri, Ydrasse, Sunflower
I met MrBeast on an electric train to the redwoods, and when we got there we lay down in front of a bulldozer to save a tree (1): Von Payne
My house started flooding while I was watching TV (0)
That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it! (5): Action Dan, Von Payne, Kyoko Kirigiri, Ydrasse, Sunflower
Bad Dreams Discard: That disco ball has a hat? And uh, a crack pipe?
Dream Interpreter Reveal (ActionDan): Up the stairs of the giant tower I went.
Dreamer's Dream reveal (Catgirl Chipotle): Up the stairs of the giant tower I went.
Dreamer's Dream choice (Catgirl Chipotle): Up the stairs of the giant tower I went.
Enchant's copied dream is announced: I'm Superman! Both dreams will be in effect on Night 3 and Enchant gets to choose a recipient of the Superman Dream. Chooses Silver Ravens.
Day 3
Von Payne Game Thread Neighborize Choice: Enchant
Kyoko Kirigiri is eliminated
Twilight 3
None
Night 3
Game Thread Neighborhood is activated. Von Payne, Sunflower and Catgirl Chipotle have night chat
Bad Dreams' Secret Reveal: A bold knight in shining armor came to fight me. Rescue me. Something like that
Sunflower targets Catgirls Chipotle with "In your dreams". Sunflower learns that Catgirl Chipotle is the Dreamer. They have hijacked Moonrise 4's Dream selection
Silver Ravens kills ActionDan. Succeeds
Moonrise 4
Dream votes:
A bold knight in shining armor came to fight me. Rescue me. Something like that (4): Von Payne, Ydrasse, Silver Ravens, Sunflower
The sheer elation of being able to double-jump (4): Von Payne, Ydrasse, Silver Ravens, Sunflower
My house started flooding while I was watching TV (1): Ydrasse
I met MrBeast on an electric train to the redwoods, and when we got there we lay down in front of a bulldozer to save a tree (2): Von Payne, Sunflower
Doesn't EVERYBODY hate Trigonometry? (0)
I won the lottery! But so did everyone else... Except those rich jerks. (1): Silver Ravens
Sunflower Dream Hijack takes place: You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well...
Vi Dream effect: Choose a different dream for the night: Forget 11, I just turned the dial to 12! This dream gives the recipient an activated double vote.
Sunflower chooses Silver Ravens to be the next dreamer (effective Moonrise 5) and gives Silver Ravens the activated double vote which can only be used on Day 4.
Day 4
Von Payne Game Thread Neighborize Choice: No choice made, so their choice is randed to Ydrasse.
Silver Ravens activates their double vote when Chipotle Catgirls is at E-1.
Chipotle Catgirls are eliminated.
Twilight 4
None
Night 4
Game Thread Neighborhood is activated. Von Payne, Sunflower, Enchant, and Ydrasse have night chat. Silver Ravens is also erroneously added to the night chat.
Bad Dreams' Secret Reveal: That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it!
Silver Ravens uses "I'm Superman" reporter ability to have the mods post the following in the game thread: "Who the hell is not voting for fast night? Your blatant ignorance of the current game state is causing the game to slowly devolve into some low quality pokemon tier list discussion (Bulbasaur is not even Tier A SMH)"
Silver Ravens kills Ydrasse. Ydrasse's "Why can't I keep my eyes open?" ability is activated and she falls deeply asleep in her tower (modified commute, activates when targeted for any action by the Bad Dreams. Takes effect that night and she doesn't return to the game thread until Night 5. She is able to privately vote for the dreams and elimination while in her tower.
Moonrise 5
I caught the hail Mary pass, but even that might not be enough... (2): Silver Ravens, Sunflower
I'm 30 years old, why do I still need a car seat? (2): Enchant, Gimli
Doesn't EVERYBODY hate Trigonometry? (2): Silver Ravens, Sunflower
My house started flooding while I was watching TV (0)
I gardened so well that the gods literally turned my thumb bright green! (2): Enchant, Gimli
That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it! (2): Enchant, Gimli
The votes are tied, so the hidden non-random tie-breaker comes into effect. Silver Ravens' and Sunflower's votes each count as 2. So Hail Mary and Trigonometry have 4 votes total
Bad Dreams Discard: None
Dreamer's Dream reveal (Silver Ravens): I caught the hail Mary pass, but even that might not be enough...
Dreamer's Dream choice (Catgirl Chipotle): Doesn't EVERYBODY hate Trigonometry?: Modulo 6 parity cop. Silver Ravens gives the parity cop to Sunflower
Day 5
Von Payne Game Thread Neighborize Choice: No more living players to choose from
Silver Ravens are eliminated
The Dreamer ability goes to Enchant, the last potential Dreamer in the game.
Night 5
Game Thread Neighborhood is activated. Von Payne, Sunflower, Enchant, and Ydrasse have night chat.
Bad Dreams' Secret Reveal: I won the lottery! But so did everyone else... Except those rich jerks.
Sunflower kills Enchant. Succeeds.
With no potential Dreamer alive, there is no Moonrise 5
Day 6
Von Payne Game Thread Neighborize Choice: No more living players to choose from
Von Payne are eliminated.
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I want to thank all of you for playing! We both enjoyed running this game for you!
The first moonrise/day/night were very rough around the edges (and in the middle, too). We rushed the design a little and there was one key disconnect in my understanding of what was changing from the first Mid-scummer Night's Dream: The order of events in the phases. I think most of the introduced problems were to the Bad Dream's detriment, but it impacted both teams.
We took a lot of the first game's postgame feedback under advisement and think it resulted in a more balanced game.
Some of the differences (and some related questions that came to me as I watched you play):
- The dream picking process was confined to its own phase, allowing the day phase to take place more traditionally with most of the focus on reads and elimination votes. Was 24 hours of discussion and voting, and up to 24 hours for the Dreamer and the Dream Interpreter to make their choices enough? Too rushed?
- In the first game, Town PRs were focused on manipulating the dreams and the dreams were mostly about passing out one shot abilities by the day's chosen Dreamer. In this game the Town PRs were fairly well split between dream-related and thwarting bad dream night actions, and we made a Dreamer role who would remain the dreamer as long as they were alive and the Bad Dreams didn't identify and hijack them.
- We went with a longer night phase because the Bad Dreams had more decisions to make, including picking a dream to reveal privately to them at the start of the Moonrise phase. I'd like feedback on whether that was helpful to the Bad Dreams. I'm pretty sure the Dream Voyagers weren't exactly thrilled with 72 hour nights.
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