Open 148: Jungle Republic (Game over) before 800

[Mastin]

will be

forcably

replaced if i cannot send

her

a pm in this whole day (IRL)

Not to nitpick, or anything.

[Mastin]

Alive:
(Names In Bold Are Confirmed.)

Khamisa
Mastin
fallen angel
Caboose
Sotty7
OhGodMyLife
Korejora
Yosarian2
Wulfy
iamusername
Tarballs
CjMiller

Dead:

My name isn't bolded yet. :/

[Mastin]

Well, you DID open the thread... :/

-.-

[Mastin]

Yea, and obviously, I'm /confirming as well.
(...Is it just me, or did Data actually USE the flavor I was talking about in the Mafia PM listed up there? About being basically confirmed masons? )

Yeah, I did =D

[Mastin]

Yay!

Let's start scum hunt.

Hi, my name's Mastin, and I'm a werewolf. I wish I were mafia, but the mod wasn't kind enough to let me be a member of the confirmed masons of this game. This is the next-best thing. Let's play the game!

Mastin Votes: Mastin

[Mastin]

Let's start scum hunt.

*Scum hunting

Further evidence that I'm scum:

Only dirty werewolves backtrack on their stories and have such inconsistent wording! String me up!

Il go get the rope then.

[Mastin]

Khamisa
fallen angel

FoS, fallen angel, Khamisa

.

The last to confirm generally like to use the time to talk. AKA, are scum together.

Also,

FoS: Iamausername

.

Call it gut.

---
I nailed three scum within three posts! Yay!

Yay!

[Mastin]

Lol, so true, Kore.

We lost. Lynch the losers, please.

[Mastin]

Do you expect me to participate in this silly activity? You already have my claim.
Oh, and on a similar note,

Mastin unvotes: Mastin,
Mastin votes: Sotty7

.

Blatant OMGUS.

[Mastin]

I did. :/

[Mastin]

Prodding inactive players.

Hopefully not me.

(Uhg. I've played games modded by a good portion of the people playing, yet have rarely actually seen [yet alone been with them] them play before, and Datadanne, someone who I've played with multiple times, is the mod. Reversal of roles, much?)

Hi, sorry I'm late, forgot this game till a lovely pm.

PM'd by partners, perhaps?

Obvscum.

That's Mascum, to you. If you think of me as town, it's Mastown. Which I am. (OMG! He claimed scum earlier, and has changed his claim! Lynch the liar with the inconsistent story! ) See, my name's easy to be made into both town and scum, further proof of why I'm a hard read.

I, like everyone else, have a life, and 1/48th of that life is devoted to MafiaScum. Now, I don't know about you, but that's a pretty big chunk, eh?

I have a post count of over three per day, despite long periods of not posting for days/weeks/months. So, uh, no, not a big chunk, in my opinion.
Lynch the person with the lack of devotion?

(On a side note, I had names which I find initially hard to abbreviate. Kham? Misa? Kha? You get the idea.)

Random vote: iamausername

That isn't random.
That's based off of my fos earlier.

With the above and this,

Mastin Unvotes: Sotty7,
Mastin votes: Khamisa

.

Die scum die!

Khamisa is just pretending to be a cute little pussy cat

I'm an AE-fan. So, having read many issues of the Zardian, I know that Cats Are Evil. (Click on the Conspiracy Corner: Cats link, a nice article by Cow Face, a fellow writer.)

More reason to vote for Khamisa.

but I saw her chasing some big knotted dog...

Dogs are even more evil than cats. I mean, I have two in comparison to three cats, and guess which is easier to manage?

*barks* I'm the good kind of wolf!

Nah. You're Khamisa's partner, hoping to out Kham in order to look extremely pro-town. It'll work against everyone but me, so feel free to night-kill me when you lynch your partner.

I'll hunt out that mafia

Like all good werewolves, you want 'em dead.

and wolves if it's the last thing I do!

Yea, werewolves dislike regular wolves, you know.

Look how pretty his avatar is.

The reason he's being shown mercy.

And he barks.

True, true, werewolves howl instead. But they can fake a bark, I imagine.

And he said so. Duh.

These days, I'm beginning to honestly believe that honesty is a scum tell, with how people say they honestly react to honest people. Honest.

I don't usually play the math game

I suck at math. It takes days for me to calculate all the possible setups.
(Ack. I hate role reversals. :/ [mainly due to how, in many of my stories {not joking}, this happens way too often. ])

but this time things seem pretty straightforward.

Random lynches based off of chance are always bad. They never end well, and are extremely scummy. We do have good odds of hitting scum, though.

Knowing my own alignment, any other given player has a 5 in 11 chance of being scum of some sort.

Quoting for truth is a scum tell, for it's using another's logic instead of your own, but I can indulge myself every once and a while.

Therefore, I shall make a random vote, and only change my vote if I deem someone else to be more than 50% likely to be scum.

You voted for the last person before you to post. Interesting...

Unvote, Vote: Mastin

(D*censored* IT! Not again... :/)

Yay, bandwagons are fun!

Real townies don't need to prove their alignment by doing silly things like touching their nose. Only weak and desperate scum would do that. Oh, and look at that! There are exactly five people on the "NOT SCUM" bandwagon.

This is an interesting fact, Tarb.

Unvote, Vote: Yosarian2
Pre-Vote for day 2: Sotty7
Pre-Vote for day 3: Caboose
Pre-Vote for day 4: Korejora
Pre-Vote for day 5: iamausername

Gah!

XP

My theory was that scum would be all paranoid about responding to something like that, in any way, for fear it would look scummy

(G*censored* D*censored* IT TO H*censored*! Not again...)
What about those who respond, but don't participate?
I believe I said that there was no point, as I had already said what my alignment was...

Mastin is usually every third post.

(Ack. Wrong game... )

Eh, usually only in newly beginning games.

I know he's posting in another game I'm in...

I have to alternate, you know. I'm in ten games, including this one (...Of which, I am dead in two, though... :/ Okay, so that's eight, but still, a great deal of games to post in). Two more (total of twelve, it was) just ended. Can't post in 'em all every day. In fact, I am amazed I get a post in every other day in most.

[Mastin]

Typos...
:/

(On a side note, I had names which I find initially hard to abbreviate

Had-->Hate.

That isn't random.
That's based off of my fos earlier.

AKA, bandwagonning off of my gut feeling alone.

Yay, bandwagons are fun!

I also forgot to mention how Iamausername's vote is omgus, based off of my finger pointed at our good friend, which was off of gut. And bandwagoning...

[Mastin]

It's pathetic, how I've lowered my standards so. I used to be one of the best people around at catching typos. A friend of mine on the battleon forums gave me a title there that I use all the time, "The Typo Master"--not master of making typos, master of catching/destroying typos.

I've made a few over the years, but the number I made skyrocketed once I joined MS.net. No, not due to the edit button. I think it's due to the length. By making my posts longer, it's harder to proof-read. By making a post harder to proof-read, it's harder to catch typos.
Especially with a lack of an edit button.

At least, an edit button you can use. I imagine eventually, you gain that as well, if you mod a game. Yet still, you can't use it that often, anyway. It's saddening, really, for things such as that to happen. I dislike seeing such a cruel fate befall upon a post.

Heck, on epicmafia, I've had typos determine the outcome of a game--
Typos in a cop report, for example.

After investigations, you (suspect vs. believe/belief; two of these are typos) that *player* is sided with the mafia. Or typing it correctly, but blundering the name. Under my alt, I've seen people constantly make one typo that few noticed. (I sure did. Hey, it's MY alternate username, after all!)

Or when trying to be kind about gender, by using just their names.

"While Mastin has been pro-town, Data has been more pro-town, and as I know I'm innocent, I'm going to vote for Data"
^
|
|
Imagine a player saying that in a three-person endgame.

Whoops

. Especially since they meant to say
"While Mastin has been pro-town, Data has been more pro-town, and as I know I'm innocent, I'm going to vote for Mastin".

Seriously, I hate typos of that nature. Typo'ing full names?!? That's just insane. (Worse, I WAS mafia that game and got lynched due to typo'ing one name into another. :/)

Ah, well.
Not much I can do to stop them.

typos will always rule the world, no matter what i do to stop them, no matter what kind of "typo armor" I have equipped to my level umpteen battle mage in any give naction game.
(If it wasn't obvious, I was trying to make typos in the above. What's sad is that when I try to make typos, it's hard to do it, yet when I'm not, I make twenty. I've hit backspace over twenty times already in this parenthesis statement due to typos. Yet I hit it less than ten when trying to make the typos above. The irony of it all...)

[/ramble]

That felt good. The last time I did a good ramble, people built a "ramble shelter" to avoid it.

[Mastin]

In the words of our mod...

OMG POST MOAR!

Obey.

[Mastin]

By the way, if it wasn't obvious, I'm spamming 'til someone replies, in order to get discussion going.

(In other words, I want to increase my post count and am too selfish to admit it out loud. )

[Mastin]

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject: 14

Half a page of posts already...

In a 3-page game...

Logically, that means I own a sixth of the posts in this game.

With twelve players, that means I make up double that of any individual player, by this logic.

Dang, I'm good.

[Mastin]

tl;dr

I get that a lot.

Huh? "Not again"?

Not the best demonstration, but the following should answer your question. Pay attention to code inside of author (of quote tags) tags.

wrote:

wrote:

wrote:

And, lastly,

wrote:

Now, this makes more sense if you pay attention and read the whole thing:

(Uhg.

I've played games modded by a good portion of the people playing

, yet have rarely actually seen [yet alone been with them] them play before,

and Datadanne, someone who I've played with multiple times, is the mod

. Reversal of roles, much?)

Well, I didn't think that was a scummy response.

...Claiming scum isn't a scummy response?

Dang, I need to refine my technique. It's not working, anymore. :/

[Mastin]

Oh, yeah, that's the other reason fallen angel is scum, almost forgot; I dislike the mastin vote. Between ignoring the nose touching thing and voting for mastin, I like my fallen angel wagon.

I'm thinking about Fallen's play, and thinking of whether it matches the play as Fallen

Angel

(Angel, alias for cop? Get it? ) in 763.

Why do you dislike the mastin vote? Did I nail your scumbuddy?

Such a statement, even in jest, is not something I approve of.

I voted him for voting himself

That's odd. I did the same exact thing here, and Despite it being obvious you had read everything, you ignored it then and just voted off of my FoS, essentially.

and because he freaking said he was scum!

I take back my statement earlier here:

Dang, I need to refine my technique. It's not working, anymore. :/

Obviously, I was mistaken.
It works every time, apparently.

You know this is a stylistic thing, Fallen. Why the vote off of it?

Then he recanted.

My erratic attitude is always a good thing, for the attitude I give off early makes people force discussion to get ongoing. (Mostly with votes on me. )

Inconsistency is anti-town, unless it is for a good reason (IMO).

A twist of my opinion into your own...

That's
Inconsistency is a Scumtell,

To you, Fallen Angel.

(Oh, and did I mention this?
Fallen's current play seems inconsistent with 763. While I need to double check...still worthy of note.)

At the risk of parroting... fallen angel sounds like he's being too careful and deliberate.

And doesn't seem to be playing the same as before...

More importantly, he seems a little too worried about the vote on him.

This I agree with.

I guess there's not really anything else in particular to look at this early, but it stands out.

Why aren't you voting for your scumbuddy, Fallen Angel?

Was this basically an attempt to tell your buddy to stop being so scummy and panic?

Why the suspicions with no vote?

I could figure out Mastin

*Laughs*
No.
No, you couldn't.

Nobody can figure me out, Kore.
I'm just too darn unpredictable.

Zwetschenwasser * 10-->Mastin. (I post fairly often, about as often as Zwet does, I imagine, per game, but the length of said posts is ten times, if not longer, than Zwet, hence, Zwet * 10 = me. )

if he stopped flooding the thread and posted something substantial.. ¬_¬

Live with it.
It's what I do.

It catches scum well.

Nothing else catches my eye at the moment.

In all these four pages already...
Nothing catches your eyes?!?

Yes, during what some people call the random vote phase, he said he was scum and voted himself.

What can I say?
I like self-voting.
(...In The RVS. Hey, let's put that together! ILSVITRVS. Ill-srv-it-revs. )

Do you think he's scum?

Yosarian is pro-town.
Let's move on, shall we?

That depends on wether I should believe his role-claim.

Rolefishing, here.
It was obvious my RVS claim was a joke.
This seems like an attempt to get intel into my real role,
AKA,
A rolefish.

As I doubt Mastin is dumb enough to claim scum

There IS such a thing as wifom, you know...

I don't really trust it entirely.

Never put any weight into the RVS, unless someone says they purposefully breadcrumbed something (Cop claim via CIA, lyncher target [don't ask], etc.), in which case, take a look at it and judge for yourself.

But who knows

Yes, "who" does know.
More seriously, the Mod knows, so why don't you just ask him?

On a truly serious note, not even the scum know everything in this game, but they know more than we, the town, do.

it could be a gambit.

Yea. Two, actually.
Fong's,
And Slayer's.

(Self-voting, intentionally scummy, respectively.)

You, having played with me before, should've known this.

It's WIFOMy and therefore not a total tell

I disagree with this statement.

But I lose more and more faith in humanity as I go

This is a werewolf softclaim.
Werewolves become less and less human as their transformation goes through.

so for know, yes, I think Mastin might be a werewolf as he said.

I'd claim to be mafia if I were mafia, but because I'm not, I figured that the way to get the best reactions was to claim werewolf.

---

I see you...

The scum are...

Khamisa,
Korejora,
Fallen Angel,
iamausername,
Caboose.

You've been found out. Surrender, and we

might

consider offering you a Draw. Deal?

[Mastin]

Oh, and, as I forgot to do it earlier,

Mastin unvotes: Khamisa,
Mastin votes: Fallen Angel

,

For fallen's more suspicious than Kham.

[Mastin]

Will get in a post as soon as able to.

Hi, this is Mastin, and the only reason I do not support a Fallen Angel lynch at this point is due to how we need more discussion for day two. (Also, FA claimed not cop--a claim already?)

[Mastin]

Mastin Votes: Khamisa

.

Shaken by FA being town, of course. Have fallen a bit behind, and need to read everything, but I'm confident in this vote, for the moment.

[Mastin]

Hmm...I think I should pay more attention to this game... (I forgot I was in it, really. Why haven't I been prodded?)

Because i was away.

[Mastin]

Now, let's see...I was on page five, wasn't I?

FoS: Mastin for stalling an FA lynch

Well, what'd we gain from the lynch, exactly?

FA's alignment, and those bandwagoning, mainly.

I dislike this post from Khamisa. --- Hmm...I think a good idea would ... n, either. Something about yesterday bothers me.

Seems like a bit of IIoA.

Mastin's and Caboose's are probably the strongest.

Rolefishing? That's what you thought was my reason--not the strongest.

mastin is being unusually brief today

Yea, yea. Null tell from me, though.

, Kore is mostly on the list for defending Kham by way of attacking Wulfy, which is the classic and very useful Chainsaw Defense.

Null tell 'til one of them flips scum.

You know, last time I saw mastin as scum, he lurked like hell.

THAT was NOT intentional. <_<

Anyway...

Mastin Unvotes,
Mastin Votes: Khamisa

. Hammer time.

[Mastin]

Dang tags.

Now, let's see...I was on page five, wasn't I?

FoS: Mastin for stalling an FA lynch

Well, what'd we gain from the lynch, exactly?

FA's alignment, and those bandwagoning, mainly.

I dislike this post from Khamisa.

---
Hmm...I think a good idea would be to look for a three-some and two-some in isolation. Might help find the scum.

(Like the mod three-some: OGML, iamausername, and Yosarian2, the mods of my previous games. )

While I endorse this vote, I am not confident in OGML being town, either. Something about yesterday bothers me.

Seems like a bit of IIoA.

Mastin's and Caboose's are probably the strongest.

Rolefishing? That's what you thought was my reason--not the strongest.

mastin is being unusually brief today

Yea, yea. Null tell from me, though.

, Kore is mostly on the list for defending Kham by way of attacking Wulfy, which is the classic and very useful Chainsaw Defense.

Null tell 'til one of them flips scum.

You know, last time I saw mastin as scum, he lurked like hell.

THAT was NOT intentional. <_<

Anyway...

Mastin Unvotes,
Mastin Votes: Khamisa

. Hammer time.

[Mastin]

Mafia:

You might consider claiming right about now.

Admitting who you are would narrow down the suspects, and the werewolves are DEFINITELY more of a threat than you are. Practically your only chance of winning is to get the werewolves lynched and hope the town no lynches to infinity in order for a draw between you and the town (I'm not a greedy guy. If someone claims mafia in order to help kill the other mafia, I'll go with that person. In the said situation, I'd claim, and beg the town for a no lynch due to me having no night-kill, and eventually, the mod would force a happily ever after ending.). We can't do that while werewolves are still alive.

Or you can wait until only one werewolf is alive, but still...

You're in a bad situation.

Improve your odds by avoiding my (and others') vote.

[Mastin]

I'm starting to like OGML's play less and less as time passes by.

Switching targets. My memory might be mistaken, but it seems as if OGML has done this a good deal this game.

Inconsistency, perhaps?
If not, then, no, I do not.

No, but my impression from the scum quicktopic was that you were lurking because you were worried, as scum, that you might say the wrong thing

Hmm, fair point, and true. It happened in Polygamist Mafia as well, if you go and check. (Dang, I need to update my wiki desperately.)

and that it's much harder for you to be active as scum then as town because of that.

It applies to games with daytalk, Yos. I don't think anyone here can daytalk, so it wouldn't apply.

So when I see you lurking a lot, like you were for much of this game, I start to wonder.

Fair point, I suppose. I can understand it, but I think this could be a subconscious thing: Because people expect me to lurk as scum and be active as town, as town, I will be motivated to lurk in order to garner suspicion onto me, at which point, I debate heavily with those suspicious of me in a great few walls of discussion, thereby contributing a great deal to the game and having the challenge of pressure on me.

Ha, first of all I want to point out that Mastin didn't hammer Khamisa; he was already on the wagon, then unvoted and re-voted

Heh. I knew that. I thought the mod did as well. It was a gambit to try and get someone to hammer.

I'm agreeing with Mastin that we need to focus on the wolves

It was not I who first raised the point--that honor is OGML's.

Yes, ruin Matin's [bad] plan to get the mafia claim.

I want a clear to help us. Maf claiming would be a clear, and them doing so (an extremely gutsy move and gambit, and appealing to the whole town) would instantly make them hold my true respect. Such an act would, well, make me willing to accept a draw with them, since they have no night-kill.

Hm... my wolfy (notice the spelling) board includes the following people in no particular order:
Yos2
Caboose
Sotty7
Mastin

For some reason, I find this list incredibly suspicious.

Mastin: I don't like your style of play in general

So sue me.
It's how I play; people adjust to it eventually.

Since the mafia have it easy to just look for wolves and the wolves have the advantage of looking for mafia, it can seem like either side is *really* scum hunting.

We need Tar in here. Selective Scum Hunting might apply.

When it comes to you, Mastin, I feel like you made a bunch of big posts day 1

Because I have a term named after me:
Mastin-sized posts,
Any post of insanely large sizes.

disappeared day 2

Recovering from V/LA, I had forgotten about this game.

and to start off today, you're kind of are valid

So, what's the problem?

but the mafia fishing still doesn't feel town

Okay, people.

Wulfy's the third mafia goon. Let's call Wulfy essentially clear for this at the moment due to this attitude only coming from the mafia goon in my opinion, and start the wolf-hunt.

You're posting format seems kind of famous

<--Title-to-be: Unabridged.
Yea. Famous is the word I'd use.

but why is that you're not making a significant case on anyone?

FA was my primary suspect, Khamisa was my secondary suspect, Kore was a minor suspect of mine.

Most of my suspects are already dead. I'd have to do a reread of the entire thread to get more of an opinion than that.

You seem kind of floating.

Eh, it happens. Just give it time; I'll bounce back eventually.

---

Summary:

-Wulfy seems like the last Mafia goon.
-We still need to werewolf hunt,
-I'll be rereading to see what I can catch up on. We're looking for a two-some, not in any way related to Kham/Kore.

[Mastin]

<--Been preoccupied. Games just starting hold my attention better. *shrugs*.

Bastard.

[Mastin]

Let's start out with the responses to what has been said thus far in the thread.

Is switching targets scummy?

Occasionally switching targets?
No.

Often switching targets?
Yes.
If my memory is correct, and you often have switched targets, then, yes, it is scummy.

I disagree that Wulfy is the last mafia.

He seems scummy, but doesn't seem like a wolf to me.

I don't think he's town,
Hence, Mafia.

Wulfy seems town through and through.

Not really.

Yos2 is incredibly uninvolved.

He seems active enough.

Any reasoning why me and him?

I'll look into it.

Has to be?

It is something to look into.

You know something I don't?

I'll look into it.

I guess I have been lurking, looking at my post count (I thought I wasn't)

How about you fix that problem by posting more?

That works.

Consider this my “will do better post”

Okay, you'll do better.

As for Caboose making “much better points” than me I will call BS.

Caboose seems to have been absent a great deal, so I'm thinking that I'm kinda agreeing with you, here.

Caboose pretty much came on yesterday and echoed everything that had already been said by me (things you gave me props for yesterday remember) and others before asking for a vote count.

My memory of yesterday reflects this as true.

I want to see what great points he gave that weren't just him regurgitating what had been said by others.

A good point.

---
Currently thinking Sotty is pro-town. Will look into Sotty's reactions, and reactions to Sotty, yet from that post alone, Sotty doesn't seem like either werewolf or mafia.

Sotty - I just feel like you've been handling Tarballs with kid gloves, and Tar has pretty much expressly ignored you except when you directly questioned him. I'll elucidate further if/when Tar is lynched scum.

I'll look into it. (Yea, yea. It's my catchphrase this game. It happens. :/)

I feel inclined to ignore your conclusion solely because it's baseless.

That was the SUMMARY. The actual reasoning was provided in-post.

[/end of counter argument.]

That's not a counter-argument. That's a "you're wrong!" defense.

Yup. Wulfy's the last mafia from the posts. Interactions might provide a different answer, but I definitely, from just Wulfy's posts, am thinking Wulf's the last mafia. Leave Wulf alone for the time being.

I will look into timing.

I will look into the ten or so pages of interactions we've got. (Iso reads, in this case, would actually be slower.)

Since I read each of you in iso, I guess I should have checked the timing of those posts.

Always a good idea.

If I have them reversed, I will be sure to correct that

My memory says that Sotty said those points first. In fact, didn't Sotty comment on it? Something like, "stop copying my reasoning Caboose", earlier?

I'll need to look into it.

Hm... in fact, lurking is my main issue with both of you, so it's unlikely you two are scum unless scum together.

I'll look into it.

But, I really haven't a shred of proof

Surely, you've got something? Can't you just reread the thread?

For this reason, I'm getting a vague Yos2-Mastin connection.

Dunno about Yos, but you're already at least half-wrong. I'm alone, I have no buddies, I'm just a pro-town player who doesn't have a buddy. I *wish* I did. It'd be so fun, being the last scum alive.
Nope.
It'd be good for me to be a werewolf due to how close they are to winning.

Ha. I wish.

And, really.
I, as a werewolf...
Would kill players who I know to be good.
OGML, Yos, and Iamausername all fit that category--I've spectated some games they are in, know they're good, and have played games modded by them.

The rest of you...really, not that much.
Kore was not a night-kill I'd do. Kore was a suspect, and the Werewolves killed Kore, anyway.

I think that since Mastin's posts give me a head ache

Ignoring my posts-->Scummy.

I'm going to reread Yos2 instead.

I will do this as well. It needs looking in to.

I am suspicious of Mastin

Based off of a reason that I proved to be false.
Your assumption of me talking less as scum relies on me being more cautious with my wording.
That, however, relies on ONE VERY VITAL FACT:

IT IS ONLY POSSIBLE IN GAMES WITH DAYTALKING SCUM

.

Mod: You can confirm that this is NOT the case, correct?

If it isn't, then, guess what?
Your theory's instantly shot full of holes.
I was cautious with my wording as scum, and

asked my partners about if what I wanted to say was alright

. If I can't daytalk,

then what keeps me from posting it if I

don't have anyone to ask

?

Answer:
Nothing.

because I have a meta on him that he acts like this as scum.

Screw quotes in my sig.
I need to put up one of my own:

METAGAMING ME WON'T WORK!
(...In attack. Go ahead and defend me with Meta; I enjoy it and do it myself. Use it against me, and you will INSTANTLY earn my suspicion.)

In Lynch all Lurkers, a recently completed game, he lurked a lot as scum, and in the scum quicktopic of that game (which is publically avalable, if you care to see it), he made it clear that the reason he was lurking in that game was because he has more trouble posting as scum then as town.

No, Yos.
I said that I was being more careful with my wording in order to prevent me from revealing I knew to much, SO I ASKED TAJO IF WHAT I PLANNED TO SAY WAS ALRIGHT.

This is NOT possible in THIS game unless we have daytalking scum, and as this is an open setup, this is NOT something which I saw as part of the PM's.

How on earth does me being suspicious of Mastin for a good, logical reason based on meta

Correction: Poor, misguided, terrible, up to the point of twisting my words bad logic, based off of a BS meta argument.

I'm not really buying his explination here, either:

Oh, really?

Well, I've got news for you:

I'm having FUN.
Right now, debating with you. I'm hungry, thirsty, a bit sleep deprived, and have other tasks I could be doing.
Doesn't matter.
I'm typing at a word per minute speed that's likely too frightening for me to even comprehend, in order to play this game. It's fun being under so much suspicion. It's fun fighting back against the mafia accusing me of being scum when they know that I am, in fact, not scum.

Also, what happened to your earlier opinion, Yos?
You thought I was town earlier on. You said that what I had been doing wasn't scummy day one. Maybe even day two, for that matter.

Sudden reversal of opinion on a player-->Scummy.

Anyway, let me try and re-read Tar

A pro-town activity which I will be doing as well, once I finish reading and responding to what has been said since I last posted

, because my gut is telling me he's likely to be a wolf here,

I'll have to look into it.

but I'm not really sure why.

Yea, it happens. So I'll look into it.

On a side note, we have't heard from Iamasusername in a while.

Possible, "Hey! Buddy! Come online because you'll get suspicion if you don't!" comment.

I have pretty good vibes from him, though.

Definite possible wolf connection, here.

I'd like some more detail on this.

Quite simply put, I wanted to be a member of the mafia. I'm kinda disappointed that I'm a mere member of the town. I wanted to "fakeclaim" being mafia, but say to hold back the votes and that I'm just basically a mason. (What did you think that pre-game discussion was for? Me just joking?)

Then, when two of my buddies were dead (I had, ironically, if I were mafia, predicted that it'd be through a lynch and a kill--dang, I'm psychic.), I would claim publicly, in order to get the werewolves lynched, and once both dead, beg for my life and push for a no lynch.

But...
Sadly, no.
I was not given the role of Mafia.
So, instead, I decided to settle for Plan B:
As I had only wanted to claim Mafia if I were actually Mafia, claim the next-best thing: Werewolf.
I did.
It worked. Not as well as I had hoped, but it still helped us get out of the RVS.

Why would a werewolf claim get more useful reactions than a mafia claim?

Eh, they get the same. I just had really wanted to only claim Mafia if I were, well, really Mafia. :/

Thanks for letting us know!

I put a lot of weight into meta on others. (Not so much for myself) FA not being consistent with his Meta was a bit of a shock to me.

I think you could probably be even vaguer here if you tried.

The thing is...I've been bothered by you, OGML, and Yosarian since...well, the beginning of the game, pretty much. Something about you three just didn't seem right to me. (I blame you three moderating most of my games)

I am certainly looking forward to the part where you start contributing a great deal to the game.

Order Of Mastin's Operations

:

-Defend self from attacks while getting caught up.
-Attack others, reread, do Iso reads, etc. about suspects.
-Metagaming self, showing contributions to the game in question

(usually the game where the operation is being applied)

-Metagaming others, using it against them and showing why they are scum.

I'm still on the first.

I bet it's a really good one!

Vote: Mastin

This vote doesn't seem to have good reasoning behind it--
You quote me being vague/not contributing a great deal, FROM MY POSTS TODAY(/yesterday).

It doesn't translate in my mind into a reason for a vote.

This post solidifies my opinion on Wulfy.
The points raised in the first few paragraphs are good, but most of them imply that Sotty/Caboose are Werewolves, barely taking into consideration the possibility of Mafia, from what I understood.

Hm... Mastin-mafia and Mastin-Wolf would be similar, but in this game, Mastin of either one could legitimately scum hunt for mafia members, which would semi-negate this.

Option C:
I'm town and want BOTH dead.

The fact he has remained quiet tells me that, if he is mafia, that Mastin's issue is knowing something about the set up and being afraid to give that away. He could probably fake scum hunting.

This would be true of ANY player.

Hm... I don't think that this provides us with anymore information than this: Mastin is likely to be some kind of scum.

Nope. I'll explain why in section three of my order of posting. (See above)

Mastin followed OGML yesterday on the Kham lynch.

Actually...look at my posts day one. Khamisa was my secondary day one suspect, which automatically made Khamisa my primary day two suspect.

Hm... yes, if Mastin is wolf, I think one of these two are most likely wolf with him.

Problem is, I'm not.

If I were a Werewolf, I would've claimed to be town, and referenced the fact that I always self-vote and call myself scum, in a reverse way, calling myself scum. Complex, but it works.

Also, his early "gambit" with mafia today makes it very unlikely he's of that scum faction. He has no one to "warn" if he did. And the wolf would gain the most from their claim.

Mafia claiming gives us a clear. It's like a mason claiming. Like I said, it's what I'd do as mafia. So I ask of it as Town.

Hm...Yos2 isn't a possible partner.

And why not? Weren't you saying earlier it WAS Yos?

Just realized i forgot Tarballs (despite the list... >.<)... I'll reread him.

What made you forget Tarb?

It makes the most sense.

Problem is, No, it doesn't.

Vote:Mastin

Note:

His first real post since Iamausername posted...was a vote on me.

I really don't think he's scumhunting at all here.

YET.

We're a long way away from a deadline; give me some time, people. This mistake was made before and I was hammered, flipped town, ruined my unlynched-as-town record.

Even though he's been saying that we need to warewolf hunt, he has yet to actually say who his suspects for being a warewolf are this game.

This comes with a reread of the thread.

From just looking at recent posts, I'd say a Yos-Iamausername pair.

This, along with my meta on him that him being less active is a scumtell, makes me think he's probably scum.

Right. I blew that theory full of holes.
What other BS do you plan to throw at me?

---

End page ten. Onto page eleven, then My Step Two.

[Mastin]

Mastin and Tarballs is at ly-2.

Psst...it's "are", not "is".

Also,

Mod:

I need a quote tag fixed--

I guess I have been lurking, looking at my post count (I thought I wasn't).

How about you fix that problem by posting more?

That is what it should look like.

[Mastin]

Right, so, end phase one (for now)--

-Defend self from attacks while getting caught up.

I will be busy for a while (need to eat, attend to other games),
But when I come back,
Assuming nothing new to respond to,

I will be going back and rereading. Phase two.

-Attack others, reread, do Iso reads, etc. about suspects.

That is my goal.

For the moment, though, Iamausername-Yos2 is my werewolf team pick.
With that in mind,

Mastin Votes: Iamausername

.

Let's see what I can dig up to support this.

[Mastin]

Eh, could be

Without anything to disprove it, what stops you from believing it?

but I don't buy it.

Again, what stops you from believing the very logical point I make?

Based on what I saw in that game

Which isn't my best play as scum, mind you.

I think that, when you are scum, you post less because as scum

No. I've got meta to prove it--

Open 131--Vanilla. I fell behind, didn't post a great deal.

Newbie 763--I fell six pages behind. Townie.

Many other ongoing games.

Do your homework, Yos. I've been proven town in many games that are ongoing; look into my posts there and you'd see that this is normal.

you're paranoid about how anything you say might make you look bad

Answer me this, something I asked which you failed to answer:

WITHOUT PARTNERS TO DAYTALK TO, WHAT IS TO STOP ME FROM POSTING?!?

Let's look at my scum QT posts, shall we?

As you don't think I should lurk, I think I'll admit that I've seen some of the play in the game, but that I need to catch up. Something along these lines:

"Hai, there. I'm kinda sad nobody seemed to notice that I replaced Antihero. I've read a few of the early and later-on pages, so I know a few events in the game, yet I definitely need to read up on the rest."

Does that sound good? I'll wait for your confirmation.

Post this:
"Hai, there. I'm kinda sad nobody seemed to notice that I replaced Antihero.
Im here and Ill catch up as soon as possible."

I'm thinking of viewing Antihero's posts in isolation--if I do that, maybe I can turn some of his posts into breadcrumbs later on for my usage if there's something to suggest he's a power role. After all, I'm known for 'dropping four loafs' in my breadcrumb trail, so, again, it might be considered scummy if I don't breadcrumb. I've breadcrumbed as vanilla to be cop and gotten myself shot, and can always lie and say that I wasn't breadcrumbing at all.

But, more likely than not, I'll still (when it comes to mass-claim time) likely claim vanilla.

Thoughts?

(These will be VERY VITAL later on in the game)

---

On a side note, should I go with my 'reply to everything I find worthy' approach on the sixty plus pages of the game, or 'sum up my opinions' approach?
Should I blatantly lie about my opinion to side with rofl/Xyl? I personally believe that it'd be a bad idea, as previous games would show why I disagree with them. (Quite personally, I thought Xyl and rofl were two of the scum and that both you and DGB were town before I got my role PM)
Or should I go completely honest, no matter who it seems to attack?

Just pretend you are rereading the game and dont post anything yet.

Does that seem like someone who'd do this always as scum?
Heck no; I did it because we had daytalking abilities and I took advantage of them.

Need more?

I am thinking of posting this:
[what I'll say]

I informed the mod that I would be V/LA from Friday to at least Sunday, but I am back, now. Sadly, due to this, I have read very little. I haven't read the early pages of the game, but I browsed the pages after I replaced in, the last thing I saw being DGB being lynched. I apologize for the lack of content so far, but it will come in groups of long posts, each covering ~20 pages of the game with my thoughts so far.
When I do this, though, it can be one of two ways:
1: I give lots of content, commenting on everything
or
2: I point out whatever I find very interesting, along with general thoughts.
As soon as I get some feedback as to which method would be preferred, I'll start reading.



[/end what I will say]

Your thoughts?

I like your post, perfect entrance. The normal townie reaction after this situation is to look bad at the people pushing dgb lynch but not call them obv scum. Try not to ignore me or Empking too much. Treat me as kinda scummy at the beginning but after my defense of dgb you are less inclined to believe me as scum. Treat Empking as neutral. Then feel free to comment anything on the rest, specially say that Xyl looks bad.
--
Also, please dont post this : "As soon as I get some feedback as to which method would be preferred, I'll start reading."

Use the method you like for better "scumhuting". Comment on everything when you want to or point out anything interesting you find out. Dont let town control your methods.

Oh, I forgot:

A vital part of my early scum post:

Sure, I'll follow you. I'm generally a good player, and I definitely enjoy leading my team as both scum and town, as my strategies often do good in games such as this. However, I recognize when a player is of greater skill and experience than me, and when any of these are true, they have the advantage:
1: They've been playing the game since the beginning,
2: They know most of the players from experience,
3: They've already been leading when I replace in,
4: They already formulated strategies,
and so on. They're all true for you, so I'd be ready to follow you 'til you die.

As you don't think I should lurk, I think I'll admit that I've seen some of the play in the game, but that I need to catch up. Something along these lines:

"Hai, there. I'm kinda sad nobody seemed to notice that I replaced Antihero. I've read a few of the early and later-on pages, so I know a few events in the game, yet I definitely need to read up on the rest."

Does that sound good? I'll wait for your confirmation.

This is not the case this game, and I definitely would be leading. The ONLY people here who I might not try leading, pretty much, would be OGML, Yos, and Iamausername, mods I have played under.

Oh, this is important as well.

Xyl would also notice that I'm a bit short on time, recently. I've become less vocal due to it, and, well,

it's also a tactic to avoid being night-killed

.

:/

I didn't post only you; I mentioned image as well.
And then, the next mentions Xyl and Brian.
Not really an issue, in my opinion.

As for reasons, I'll likely give them when I catch up. I *am* behind...

GREATEST FEAR AS SCUM: Making a slip about knowing something I shouldn't know. That *really* seems to be a possible problem every time I post... (referring to my latest post)

Keep in mind that this was WITH Tajo's guidance.

Kay, until now youve done an awesome job.

And that fear is okay. I have it too. Everytime you post, try to reread and see if you are not slipping anything or if you dont feel to sure, let me know what you are posting so we can analise it.

No fair. I'm called scum for something I've done in two other games, and for being in more games than zwet, and being behind a lot. ;_;

Tajo, come back and post something in here, already. >_>

Anyway, what I next plan to say:

"GAH. Lost the weekend time due to real life issues. I needed the time to read...
Would anyone mind if I just started looking at the comments made within the last two or three pages?
Or alternatively, multiple people (to prevent bias) giving a rough graph of the events of the game?"

Mastin, please, stop looking for and posting excuses for not being able to contribute. Thats scummy.

You have to start "scumhuting". Ask questions to everyone, like in the other game we are together. Rolf and some others thinks that anithero was town so please you have to state suspicions before they realize you are playing the Im behind card.

Eventually you will have to vote image but first express your bad feelings regarding how useless SK and Empking are, the overall badd feeling Xyl has, the idea that you paranoid about elvis and rolf being scum together.

As I said, what about if you post here so we can analyse what are you going to post...

Mastin.

Im going to keep youy safe for some more hours but you have to come back and claim cop or doc.

Preferably doc.

PM me when you are online.

I ignored most of Tajo's response, other than the Doctor claim.

...

. . .

It...was...that...long...

That...long...
Too...long...
I screwed up...

No time to wait for you; I'm posting now with a doctor claim. I can't wait any longer. Sorry, Tajo.

Mastin
no wait.

It was too late; I had already claimed.

Read it all, if you want.

---
Want me to go into my Polygamist Mafia QT to further prove you wrong, Yos?

It's a common trait amoung scum, actually.

Which I was ONLY following because I had DAYTALKING ABILITIES.

I don't see how daytalking or not has anything to do with it.

IT MAKES A

HUGE

DIFFERENCE!

Without Daytalking, I am on my own, regardless of my alignment. I have no others to guide me. I have only myself. I have to be a leader, and if I were to be scum, to pray that my partner(s) follow subtle hints I give them.

Do you have a counter-example, of a game when you were scum and yet you were very active all game?

Look, I am almost never scum. If there were to be one, it'd be ongoing, Yos.

Well, that's part of it, sure.

Part?
No.
It's ALL of it.
I had people to lead me. Good players, who I put my confidence in their abilities.

I think this is also a part of why you're less active as scum then as town:

I know. It doesn't change the fact that I've also got a counter to that, Yos:

I believe, and always have, that long posts are pro-town for that VERY reason you linked. Look at 735, 742, or any of my other games, for that matter.
They're pro-town, because if you're mafia, it gives you more times to potentially slip up and expose yourself.
So, naturally, as scum, you want shorter posts to avoid slipping.

Look at my posts in there:
Fairly short.

Look at my posts here:
Fairly long.

And tell me your example is still valid, please. I DARE you to.

I think that that very problem, that fear that you might say something wrong as scum, inherently makes you post less when you're scum.

It also applies to post length. Meaning that I want shorter posts as scum.

Not the case here, Yos.

Pfft.

Yea, yea, shut up. I am sick and tired of people trying to metagame me in offense, yet discounting my defense with meta. I've done this several times before. (I'll ask the mod if I can give the link to an ongoing game where I died DAY ONE because of logic such as YOURS conflicting with MINE. Oh, did I mention I was town, then?)

You think you can just declare that metaing you won't work

In attack?

HECK FREAKING YES!

and therefore that anyone who suspects you for meta reasons will "earn your suspicions"?

Yes.
They're clinging to VERY weak excuses for attacking/voting me. Which is incredibly suspicious.

(Did I mention I think it's Yos-Iamausername?)

Everyone plays differently when they're scum from when they're town.

I don't.
Lynch all Lurkers?
Yea. I was mimicking my play in other games. Open 131, for example. It also happened in the game where I was lynched day one as town.

Everyone has certain patterns of play.

Not me.

Some people are harder to meta then others

NOBODY can Metagame Me in attack and have it work,
NOBODY.

Not even myself.

but I doubt there is anyone who is so perfect that metaing them is completly worthless.

You're looking right at him.

You "think" I am scum.
You are wrong.

You just found that person.
People in an ongoing game found that person (me).

Face it:
Metagaming Me in Attack Will Not Work.

Also, if there is a difference between your town meta and your scum meta

Oh, there isn't.

you are unlikely to be aware of it

I am PERFECTLY aware of my town meta, and can imitate it as scum.

Hence, YES, I *AM* aware of my meta.

so you claiming "METAING ME DOSN'T WORK" as a defence is complete crap.

READ ALL OF MY ONGOING GAMES. Until I get clearance from the mod, at least. One particular mini game shows full good and well why this statement holds true. GO LOOK BEFORE MAKING SUCH STATEMENTS.

Well, daytalking or not, scum always know too much, though; that's part of what makes them scum.

BUT I HAVE NO REASON TO BE CAUTIOUS IF I AM NOT ASKING MY PARTNER IF WHAT I AM SAYING IS ALRIGHT!
That's why it took so long to post in Lynch all Lurkers--
I was waiting for Tajo to approve of my messages.

NOT the case in other games, other than Polygamist Mafia and Ace/ekiM/Zaz.

There is nothing BS about my meta argument, and I have never "twisted your words" or "used bad logic" to my knowlege in this game.

Your Argument is Twisting my Words as Scum in Lynch all Lurkers, for what you describe is NOT the full truth.

Hence, it is BS.

heh.

Can't a guy have fun?
This argument is getting heated. Seriously heated. I love that kind of thing.

Oh, I'm sure you're having fun.

More fun than I'll ever have as scum, where fear will get the best of me.

Fear

dominates me as scum, especially when something bad happens. While I have the thrill of the challenge as scum, fear will always dominate over that.
As town, nope, not so much.

It's always fun to be fighting for your life.

Not nearly as much when you're scum.

More proof that I am, in fact, town.

That's irrelevent, though.

No, it's PERFECTLY relevant! It proves why I am town, having so much fun with being so close to death!

Also, your claim here

Well, it's true.

(which was that you apparently on some level lurked BECAUSE you wanted to be attacked, because you know you have a meta of lurking as scum)

I love being attacked as town. The thrill of the hunt and attacking the scum on my wagon, oh, it's so powerful.

seems to completly contradict your other claim that you do not have a meta of lurking as scum.

Oh, I don't.

It's just that others THINK I do.

I know that I don't lurk only as scum.

However, this is the THIRD game where I have been accused of it as town.

nods) Yup. I thought you were town day 1.

And your reversal from thinking I'm town to "ZOMG WHY ISN'T THIS SCUM DEAD YET" is INCREDIBLY scummy.

100% wrong.

Heck no.

If I think a player is scummy,
And suddenly think they are town the next,

Or vice versa,

It shows inconsistency. Inconsistency is a scum tell.
To suddenly reverse an opinion is one of the largest scum tells in existence.
I am fine with a gradual change.
"He's town"
"I think he's town."
"He's probably town, not sure, though."
"He might be town"
"He might be scum"
"He's probably scum"
"He's scum".

That is fine.
It's a slow change, over time.
A SUDDEN change, now, THAT is scummy!

Town should always be willing to change their minds.

Which they do gradually. Only scum have sudden reversals of opinions. And I stand firm by this as fact.

There are a lot of reasons for that;

And there are lots of reasons why SUDDENLY *REVERSING* an opinion is scummy as well.

the prime one being that, if people just keep going after the same suspects all game and trusting the same people all game, then it's very easy for the scum to manipulate the game by careful use of nightkills.

Again, I have no problem with gradual changes, which prevent this.

Sudden changes?

Still scummiest thing one can do.

Beyond that, changing your mind is much better at getting reactions and finding scum then never doing so.

Again,
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CHANGING ONE'S OPINION. IT IS WITH A

SUDDEN

CHANGE WHERE THE PROBLEMS LIE.

The scariest scumhunters are the people who think you're town, then suddenly flip on you and go after you based on some new piece of information;

More like the scummiest.

those are both the best at finding scum, and the best at screwing with scum's gameplans.

Gradual change-->Not scummy, still throws scum off.
Sudden change-->Scummiest thing someone can do.

I've gone so far in the past as to declare that consistancy itself is a scumtell.

And THAT is an EXTREMELY anti-town opinion.
Inconsistency is a SCUM TELL,
Consistency is a TOWN TELL.

Ok, I'm even happier about my vote on Mastin now.

Because I've nailed the remaining mafia man, AND nailed the werewolves.
Dang, I'm good.

Let's lynch Iamausername, Yos's scum partner.

Are you really calling it scummy that I think Iamusername looks town-ish, and saying I want to hear more from him?

Many people had not contributed a great deal at the time. Like me.

You address ONLY Iamausername.
And THAT is a scum tell.

You're also buddying up to Iamausername.

I declared that you looked town-ish earlier

And your switch is scummy.

and that OGML looked townish earlier

With my current thoughts, I am agreeing with this assessment.

and you didn't have a problem with either of those.

Because you were addressing other people at the same time.
You went OUT OF YOUR WAY to address ONLY Iamausername, which is INCREDIBLY scummy.

OGML also earlier said he thought Iamusername looked town, and you had no problem with that either

Because he was also addressing multiple people.

YOU, however, addressed ONLY Iamausername.

There's clearly nothing wrong with either one of those things;

Oh, yes.
Yes, there is:
The fact that you did it to ONLY Iamausername in a SINGLE OUT OF THE WAY POST.

there's nothing wrong me thinking someone looks town.

But to, OUT OF THE BLUE, state it WITH NO APPARENT REASON, THAT is scummy.

SO your attack does not appear to be honestly motivated here.

Oh, yes. It is. This is my true opinion. I NEVER lie about my opinions in Mafia games. EVER. Not as scum, not as town.

You look like a struggling scum here

No. Just town in a heated debate which I am enjoying very much. Thanks for the challenge, Yos. You can die tomorrow as caught scum.

trying to fight back and claw your way out any way you can.

Why give up as town?
It'd violate my moral code.
Especially since people wouldn't listen to me, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I HAVE THE SCUM NAILED ALREADY.

Unvote, Vote: Mastin

L-1, and I haven't even gotten the chance to type up why Yos and Iamausername are scum.

Pretty sure Mastin-wolf indicates Yos2-wolf.

...After what we've been through, that is SERIOUSLY your opinion?!?
What's wrong with you people?!? <_<

[Mastin]

Let's do a short version short:

-Yosarian2 and Iamausername are the werewolves.
Wulfy is likely the last Mafia Goon.

-Yos's meta case on me is full of holes and completely inaccurate.
-We are a LONG way away from deadline; GIVE ME SOME TIME TO BUILD A SOLID CASE ON MY SUSPECTS.
-Give me some time to ask the Mod a question or two vital to my defense.
-The case of a Yos-Mastin pair is absolute ludicrous.
-Anyone who hammers me before I have had a chance to explain why Yosarian and Iamausername are the scum...should fall under heavy scrutiny, for I could be wrong with this opinion.

[Mastin]

1: Quotes not fixed. <_<
2: Mod approved it. Read and watch 'em lynch me as town. There goes Yos's meta.
3: Working on responding to new stuff,
4: And to writing the case on Iamausername/Yosarian2.

[Mastin]

...I messed something up in real life. And it needs SERIOUS attention.

V/LA until Thursday.

I can post a bit in most of my games, but in this one...I'm building a case. There'd be no point in posting it small sections at a time, it'd take a great deal of time, be a waste, etc.

[Mastin]

Right, so I'm back from my V/LA. (Note to people:
When I say I'm V/LA until a date, that normally means up to and INCLUDING said date. In this case, Thursday.) Got a couple games to catch up on, this amongst them.

[Mastin]

Post in the works; I'll be P.O'd if I'm hammered before it's finished (...AGAIN).

I'll restate it in the post to make it clear, but this post will be a catchup post; I place catching up at a higher priority level than building a case.

[Mastin]

NOTE:

THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL CASE. THIS IS

ME GETTING CAUGHT UP ON THE GAME

. I went to bed before I could get to this game (or finish catching up to my other game, for that matter.), so I need to do this now before making a case against Yos2 and Iamausername.

(

Note to self: If I STILL get hammered, make the note even larger to players. Lobster did it in Inventor--the game I linked--and I had made it clear that I was typing more. I still have a half-finished PBPA. I

Hate

being hammered as town...

)

Thank you. Can't make it much larger than that; I am JUST CATCHING UP.

1a: Okay...I'm listening. Give me a case and I'll see what I think."

It'll take time. Wait until a day or two before the deadline; if I STILL haven't posted it, go ahead and hammer me (It's a mislynch, sure, but my fault for failing to deliver a case).
Until then, just wait. (Preferably stop posting as well. I put responding at a higher priority than building a case.)

1b: This is false.

Says the mafia.

2: Hm.... I don't know about this exactly, and your sole defense is meta...

Lobster called me out for this. I will, from now on, include an "actions from me this game that prove I am pro-town" section in my attacks/defenses. Essentially, a PBPA on myself instead of just Meta.

I think your play, regardless of alignment would be to lose the meta defense and just constantly play aggressive.

I would be called out for the lack of defending myself, and would fall behind.
No.
That is not a pro-town course of action.

Oh, and post in some sort of understandable format.

My format is perfectly understandable. My quotes? Yea, they're labeled from the last person I quote.

What Player Said

Player is still being quoted

Player is STILL being quoted

What Player B said

This is Player B's quote still

You get the idea.

It's perfectly fine as is.

3. You deserve this, I agree.

So give me the full time needed and unvote, keep it off, and (preferably) shut up so that I don't have to respond to more, because it delays the case. We've got a long time 'til deadline; I take a long time to write my cases. It's taken me a full three days to type up a case, and that was a small case, with ALL my attention devoted to that game.
I'm in a lot more games, and will have to build a far larger case.

Which is why I need the extra time.

4. Bah?

Many of the accusations Yos is putting against me (and all of you, for that matter, who are voting me with any sort of real reasoning at all and aren't bandwagoning) were also faced against me in Inventor Mafia, where I flipped town due to Lobster not allowing me to write my case, despite warnings that I HAD NOT FINISHED IT and was TYPING IT UP AT THE TIME. (See the similarities? You should. I'm town here, town then, bit busy there, trying to redeem myself here.)

5. I can agree with this since I don't see it.

I do agree that Yos is a werewolf, though, and that his post involving Iamausername was a SERIOUS scumslip.

I feel that Yos2 was going at you pretty heavily

Unjustly. I not only
1: Defended against his accusations of my play as scum,
but also
2: Gave an example of me having done this as town.

and while I thought his post was really scummy

You should vote for people who you think are really scummy, ESPECIALLY if your vote puts them at absolutely NO risk.

after I understood the context, I realized he was actually slamming you with meta

Which I, again, shot out of the water with examples to prove how what he said about my play as scum wasn't the entire truth, AND gave a counter-example of extremely similar play as a pro-town player.

(which is apparently your favorite defense as a cursory glance of your play history shows.)

Which is why I am eternally grateful that Data's a mod that allows me to link to ongoing games where I am dead and had this attitude, such as Inventor Mafia. I have no completed games where my play is COMPLETELY reflected by my play in this game; the best is 141 (townie, two pages behind) and 763 (townie, fell six pages behind), not very good, but ongoing, oh, Inventor Mafia's a holy grail as far as meta defense goes.

Woot.

6. You are correct that Yos2 and UN could be scum.

And you, for that matter.

I would like to hear this.

Kinda requires that I be alive.
You see, I have HOURS to spare before I need to do anything else; I can build part of the case in that time (though I might not finish it today).

I don't think whoever hammers you is scum, since I feel comfortable you are scum.

And will this change, Wulfy, when I flip town?
I will, you know.

Out of some good faith, however, I will temporarily suspend my vote.

Anyone voting for me who wants to gain some pro-town points, I encourage you to do the same.

If I post the case, and my defense, and I finish all the four steps of offense/defense and you still think I'm scum, then go ahead and put it back on; I'll rest in peace, with a clear conscience, knowing I gave the game my all at the end and hope what I said can be used later on.

You might have a really strong point

Yos's post with Iamausername seemed like a HUGE slip to me. I will look back to see if I can find any other actions (or even better, a lack there of--Selective Scum hunting) which solidify this statement.

so I would like to withhold my vote to see if you can prove that with a good, logical case.

This takes time. And LOTS of it. I can throw together some average, decent post in minutes.

A good, solid post with clear, solid, absolutely great points, however, takes far longer. Hours. Even days.

I must warn you though, I don't buy this meta defense bull shit.

By your own admition, I am known for doing this in all my games--
So are you going to attempt to use something I do in all my games (a null tell) as some sort of scum tell?
(Did I mention I think Wulfy's the last member of the Mafia? Yea, stuff like this confirms it.)

I don't think Yos2 would be going on Mastin so hard if they were.

Actually, as scum, I love to go hard on my partners.
I'm not, though, so, well, I'm going hard against who I think is scum.

It isn't impossible

Due to bussing...

but on my reading it, I just don't see it at all.*

Nor do I. All I see is a wolf trying to cover for his slip with Iamausername.

I suppose at this point, however, Mastin appears so scummy, that a partner would bus pretty hard.

Last I checked, Tarb was also at L-2. Why would a theoretical partner to me in the hypothetical scenario where I am scum buss me, when Tarb would be an easy lynch? (Specifically, if my theoretical partner was currently going after me, why not go onto Tarb? I'm not voting Tarb; we could've hammered long ago.)

I guess if Yos2 knew that Mastin was scum, he could have been hard on Mastin (hoping for a masterstroke-esque defense?) because of the disappearing act yesterday.

The thing is, I'm NOT scum.
I've been KNOWN to disappear as town before (see: Inventor Mafia, 1 or two prods, 141, a prod, never caught up, 763, a prod, got six pages behind, several ongoing games, etc.), so that part of the attack against me is a load of BS, as I proved before.

Why is one scummy and not the other?

Sudden turnarounds show a willingness to bandwagon, or if they suddenly go to defending that person, they realize that their attack was full of holes and that they need to recover from their blunder.

Gradual turnarounds are pro-town, because it shows a gradual change in opinion. Scum have a set opinion on matters. It generally sticks throughout the game. Town have a starting opinion...yet it is not set in stone. It changes. Over time. Reversals can eventually lead to an opposite opinion, but it is done over time, through defenses/attacks on a player.

Sudden turnarounds, scum love 'em. Because they know who is scum, they can say, essentially, "On second thought, because of XXX, no, YYY is (not) scum."
Gradual turnarounds, town does it far more often.

If your memory is correct?

So sue me; I'm lazy. Go check any of my completed games; I'm lazy and have a poor memory, state this all the time. (And when proven wrong, I curse, state my affirmation that memory is evil, etc.)

Icky WIFOM.

But true for this game. Now, because I've said it, I'll have to randomly readjust it the next Jungle Republic game I'm in. You can check into my history; I've done this "Wifom" (which turned out to be 100% true, mind you) in almost all of my games. Like 742, 735, etc. (Cop meta stuff.)

Not sure what to make of Yos v Mastin.

Vote Yos or Iamausername. Either works.

Seems to be meta v meta

Which I clearly dominated Yos on. See my post for details.

Interested in seeing Mastin's cases however.

I'd say I'm working on it, but I'd be lying--I'm responding to this post, right now, explaining how it'll come with time.

I like to take my time on cases. (Sometimes procrastinating. :/)

Mastin, what makes you think that scum can't daytalk in this game?

Because I didn't see it in their role PM's. It didn't say they could daytalk, and the standard is to not have daytalk.

Scum can daytalk.

...They can?
Seriously?
<_<

Blame farside! <_<

Still, Yos's points don't stand. The ONLY people here who I would submit to would be OGML, Iamausername, or Yos2. They're the only people I've played under, they're the only people here who I've seen before this game (other than Data, our mod).

Yay, Me!

I'll look at some other games, Mastin.

Inventor Mafia's the best, as it best-shows off my play here. Heck, practically the only thing different about the two is that I was a replacement in Inventor.

However, you can get as angry as you want;

Angry? Me? Nah. Never.
Frustrated at deja vu (when will people learn that I'm never scum? 'Cept the few times I am? ), sure, but not angry. I'm a calm guy (until I'm dead. Then I get feral, and write aggressive, slightly offensive notes which I post when the game's over), actually.

you just saying over and over again "YOU CAN NOT META ME" is NOT a defense.

1: It is valid, as I have given examples to counter yours,
2: I have posted FAR more than what you just were describing--I explained why your Meta on me was wrong, gave examples to back up the evidence, etc.

Also, I don't care what you think

Which is extremely scummy.

ANY pro-town player should be willing to listen to ANY other player.

town can, and should, suddenly and on a dime be willing to completly and 100% change their minds when new evidence warrents it.

I can understand gradual changes. Nothing wrong there. But except for the case of power role claims (not going to happen here, with the possible exception of the last member of the Mafia), NOTHING should make a player suddenly have an opposite opinion on a player.

It's just better for the town.

So scum think. That's why they do it--

They THINK a sudden turnaround of opinions would be pro-town.
It's no different than showing Caution, which they think would be pro-town.
Simply put,

It's not.
It's scummy, and I call people out for it whenever I see it.

You repeated it like 4 times here:

So?

But you never gave a *REASON* why a pro-town person changing their mind is bad for the town.

It's not bad. It's SCUMMY. There's a HUGE difference between the two.

And I stated several times why it is SCUMMY to change one's opinion several times. Want me to elongate this post some more and find a few?

gave several reasons why I play this way as town

Which I don't believe...

and why it is better for the town to do so;

It, on the surface, APPEARS to be pro-town.
Then again, so does Caution. It looks like something a pro-town player should show.

Simple truth is, most pro-town players don't.
They're reckless, and stick hard to their opinions, with only gradual changes. Scum, knowing who the pro-town players are, will try to reverse an opinion every once and a while to look pro-town.

It doesn't work out.

all you did was repeat over and over again your (incorrect) assertion that it's somehow scummy and/or anti-town

And supported it with reasoning as well.

but you never gave a single reason WHY town shouldn't act like that.

There isn't a reason why town shouldn't act like that per se...
It's just that they don't.
With the exception of power role interference, they never change their minds suddenly.
EVER.
I've never seen a pro-town player do that.
Heck, even WITH cop results, a pro-town player will often not have a sudden reversal of opinion (Citing: Newbie 742).

Scum, sure, I've seen it. (Again, you can look at 742; Jeff reversed his vote to his partner.)

You are scum and you decided not to nightkill me earlier in the game because I had earlier in the game said I thought you were town

No.

AS SCUM, I KILL PLAYERS WHO ARE GOOD/PRO-TOWN.

PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION

. There are NO exceptions to this, AT ALL. Look at Lynch all Lurkers. I said Spy because Spyrex was pro-town appearing. Look at Newbie 779, where I said to NK Halflight and TB because they were pro-town (I've got the conversation to prove this).

This is NOT the case THIS game.
So, it is false.
I cannot be a Werewolf, because I have not killed anyone who I see as very pro-town/a good player.

Kore's death should be proof enough of my innocence; I NEVER would EVER kill a scummy player who I do NOT think looks pro-town.

and now you're pissed off I changed my mind.

Let's do a mimicry, shall we?

My guess: You're panicked scum, who is disheartened that I managed to catch your slip and nail you as scum, and is terrified that I have managed to defeat your case on me because I know my own meta better than you do.

Which is exactally why pro-town people SHOULD be unpredictable, and should change their minds.

Gradual changes from a pro-town player ARE unpredictable!

Also, Two days (about) is more than enough.

Vote Mastin

Considering how I said to wait 'til just before Deadline, this is 100% confirmation that you're a member of the Mafia.

First: Nobody should hammer Mastin before he gets to post his case.

Tarb's pro-town, all the way through.

Don't even think about it.

Oh, I'm sure the scum are wishing they could, oh so badly.

Mastin and OGML are suspicious of Yos, yet both of them are voting for a person who they suspect to be Yos's scum partner.

This is a good point. I wasn't thinking at the time about it; my case on Iamausername relies a great deal on Yos2 being a wolf.

Mastin Unvotes: Iamausername,
Mastin Votes: Yosarian2

.

If he flips wolf, then that'd 100% confirm that Iamausername is his buddy.

I think it would be more beneficial for both of you to lynch Yos instead

I would be willing to do this. You? (Aren't you unvoted?)
OGML?

yet I'm getting the feeling that you seem to be afraid(?) to lynch him at this point. Why is this?

Oh, I'm not. I should've voted him first, and kept my vote there.

Thirdly: iamausername has been really under the radar in this game.

One of the points against him--
How would Yos2 think Iamausername could be so pro-town, if Iamausername has been laying low the entire game?
Answer: Scumslip, of course.

Not sure if it means anything, though. But more analysis would be much appreciated.

*volunteers*

I think he's right. OGML and Mastin have both done this action (attacking by association), which makes it very likely

that one of them is scum [uwith Yos2[/u] and are trying to get a mislynch

.

Hypocrite, Wulfy. You accuse me and OGML of guilty-by-association...and then do the exact same thing by accusing Yos2 of being scum.

What you are saying here is simultaneously "Mastin and Yos2 look like scum partners" and "OGML is scummy for suggesting that Mastin and Yos2 look like scum partners". Problematic.

No, not exactly. He's saying ONE OF me and OGML looks like scum with Yos2, and the other is scummy for suggesting it, and that Yos2 is still scum in his mind as well.

Calling Mastin/Wulfy as the wolf pair.

Your reason for voting me was because I wasn't contributing. I am doing so now, partially (defending myself, pointing out recent scum slips), with more on the way.

You voted me for poor reasoning, Yos2 VERY SOON afterwards votes for me as well, and there's Yos's slip to think about.

I'm calling a Yos2/Iamausername wolf pair, and will not rest until I've found evidence of it.

At this point, the answer is obvious.

Caught scum.

Like I said, I went to bed last night without having caught up in either of the two games.

---

Let's recap, shall we?

-Wulfy's still the last Mafia member,
-Yos2 and Iamausername are the two wolves (Dang, I'm good! Nailed all three scum already!),
-Yos2's case on me is full of holes,
-

Do

not

hammer me until I've had the chance to write up my case; we are a

LONG way from deadline

!

When I declare my case to be finished, and ONLY then, will the case ACTUALLY be finished.

[Mastin]

Mod: The [/u] tag should be a [/i] tag.

Thanks.

Fixed?

Anyway, NOW I am making that post (my Large Normal Game I was trying to catch up in can wait a while. I attended to it a day or two ago). This'll take a while. And it might not cover everything. (If it does, I'll declare my four steps finished. If it doesn't, I will not. Simple as that)

[Mastin]

Reposting this for my own reference purposes.

-Defend self from attacks while getting caught up.
-Attack others, reread, do Iso reads, etc. about suspects.
-Metagaming self, showing contributions to the game in question (usually the game where the operation is being applied)
-Metagaming others, using it against them and showing why they are scum.

I've defended against all current attacks and am caught up.
I'm partially done with two (I've attacked Yos2 and Iamausername, along with confirming Wulfy's the last Mafia member), but to finish it, the Iso read/reread section needs to be done.

I've done the first half of three as well, having defended myself with my Meta thusfar.
Now, with this reference post to work from, I begin.

[Mastin]

Let's start with Iamausername's total post count--
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: 16

Seventeen posts.

Two of them pre-role posts,
One confirmation post.

That takes it down to 14.

Others still alive,

Caboose--PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: 14
One confirmation post, meaning he has 14 as well.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: 38 --Mine. Minus three pre-game, and my confirm, that's 35.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: 28--OGML, and after subtracting the confirmation post, that's 28.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: 15--Sotty. Minus confirmation, 15.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: 12 --Tarb. One confirmation posts means that there are twelve posts.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: 27 --Wulfy. A confirmation post leaves it at 27.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: 32 --Yos2. One confirmation post leaves 32.

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Summary

:

Iamausername is in a tie for second-last place on the contribution level post-wise. Content-wise, I would say Iamausername is the lowest (or possibly tied with Caboose), as Tarb's posts have--on even just a glance--far more content-filled and solid material than Iamausername's.

(Note: I have a suspicion based upon This post about Iamausername [not saying which part, though], but will have to ask the mod if it's alright to say it. I'm kinda doubting I can, but it is something that makes me suspicious of Iamausername.)

From now on, these points cover all of the three scumspects, Iamausername, Yos2, and Wulfy.

Votes Kham, the now-confirmed Mafia, and claims to be "the good kind of wolf".

Buddies up to Wulfy, and states agreement. Don't forget what Kore also flipped...

Yup, two posts which immediately link Wulfy as the last mafia. (It's nothing to be ashamed of, Wulfy. You won't lose the game unless the Werewolves night-kill you/get the mislynch on me through and you vote wrong tomorrow)

Off the top of my head, I can think of Yos2's reasons for voting Fallen.

Amongst them was that he ignored Yos2's NOT SCUM thing--
Yet many players didn't. As Tarb pointed out, only five DID. Many others also ignored the RVS ploy.

Khamisa, Wulfy, and Kore, for example, didn't address it at all. I did, but I didn't participate.

Well, I didn't think that was a scummy response.

Didn't think my response was scummy, but though FA's was, when others after FA didn't do it, either.

I asked a question about why Yos didn't think it was scummy; he didn't post an answer. (This doesn't count as an answer; it's a further accusation.)

Um, I already claimed NOT scum. So did Caboose, and Korejora. Pay attention!

Buddying up to two players, ignoring the other two who did it as well (Amongst them, Yosarian2, mind you).

This post seemed completely unnecessary. And seemed to be an overreaction, at that.

Yosarian confuses me.

This is evidence that Yos is NOT a member of the Mafia (further condemning him as a wolf, mind you).

This suspicion could ALSO be the reason that Kore was night-killed.
(Remember: Yos2 is accusing me of not nk'ing people who support me. This seems to imply that he, himself, nk's people who do not support him and, in fact, are actually suspicious of him. MORE evidence against Yos2.)

Yos's response confirms this:

I'm a bit confused by this.

When responding to Kore's post on the confusion.

Overreaction from Iamausername to the claim,

Yos seems to bandwagon the idea that Fallen is scummy, but should not be hammered. His CJ explanation seemed totally unnecessary, stating a fact that we all pretty much knew already, but stating it generated wifom.

Eh. If he claimed in response to a "claim or die" situation, I could see a newbie scum claiming cop, or any scum in fact if they were desperate and/or if they wanted to out the real cop.

In this case, though; I personally see newbie town claiming ALL THE TIME in situations where they pretty clearly shouldn't. I don't really understand why that is, other then perhaps Jeep's old rule that "everyone secretly wants to tell you what their role is", but it seems to happen a lot. However, lying and claiming seer in a game where there IS a seer, when you're not even in any danger; that seems like such a horrible move for a scum, I can't really imagine any scum doing it, even a newbie scum.

This seemed like an overreaction.

This was NOT the reason that Yos had voted for FA. Yet is the reason he gives for the vote day two.

This explanation for the active lurking accusation is extremely poor as well.

People voting Khamisa: Reason? I could have just missed it, but I don't see any reason for the votes yet, so if you have one or want to refer me to a previous case, I would love to see what you're thinking.

More evidence that Wulfy is partnered with Khamisa.
(Dang, I'm good.)

Wulfy - analysing situations instead of people. Knowing the angles is helpful, but I can't gauge him because I don't see enough opinion.
Caboose & Khamisa - post moar.
Yos - worth noting that I have no comment. Plenty of content but I'm still unsure.

Of these four neutral reads, one is a proven Mafia. I think the other partner is in there as well.

Every post from Wulfy on Page Eight, to show a contrast, though, seems to be distancing from Khamisa, the obvious lynch.

7 – Fallen Angel-town* (Iamausername, Sotty7, Mastin, OhGodMyLife and Yosarian2, CJMiller-seer(town),* Wulfy)

Didn't list self as member of the town; some do this, some don't, but it's worth looking at.

Kore's vote, then unvote, REEKS of bussing.

Anyway, I agree with you about Khamisa and tarballs are both looking scummy, and I'd be willing to go along with a lynch on either one.

Bandwagonning, no reason given. Seems like selective scum hunting to me.

So yeah, that would be

Yos2
iaau
Sotty7 (2-game meta isn't reasoning)
OGML

Further evidence neither Yos nor Iamausername are the last Mafia.

Seems like OMGUS to me,

You voted and the unvoted me between two of my posts so I was like: Whoa, wtf, did you ninja yourself? It was a joke.

At Kham: Okay, you have made a valid point, but you haven't really chased after one or made a case on anyone.

*Acknowledges Caboose's points but had rather hear Kham elaborate first.*

The Wulf shows its true colors by buddying up to the two proven mafia members.

The first lurking accusation from Yos2. Should have been the last, given my explanation in the game to that.

I've proven why this accusation Yos2 made against me was completely false in three different ways--
1: It requires for an experienced player (Of which, I ONLY count the three mods in this game that have modded my games) to be scum with me,
2: It also requires for daytalking scum abilities, something which I didn't think we had,
3: I posted the link to a game where I did this exact same thing as town. And gave as many examples as I could that exist about it.

---
The rest, as they say, has been lain out already. Starting from My post from here on, I've stated my opinion that Wulfy's the last Mafia Goon.

And from here on out, Yos2 became my suspect.

He attacked me for a reason I proved later to be false,
And his next post went OUT OF HIS WAY to mention Iamausername hadn't posted in a while--while SEVERAL other people hadn't done so. A HUGE slip of unimaginable proportions.

---
Reread #2 will have three intentions:
Look at Yos2 and Iamausername, defending/ignoring/agreeing with each other, essentially, something this first read hasn't focused a great deal on.

Defending, of course, would be a link,
Ignoring (what I think they've done) would incriminate them if they didn't ignore another player (See: Selective Scum Hunting), ESPECIALLY Yos2 for having a sudden out of the blue town read on Iamausername.

And Agreeing would be buddying.

Immediately after Yos2 makes the statement that he thinks I'm scummy, and that we haven't heard from Iamausername, Iamausername shows up and votes for me for, essentially, not contributing.

Yos2's next contentful post is also bandwagoning me.
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No. This is not all there is to the case. I will re-state my opinions from page ten onward later, and go over the defense/ignore/buddying section between the two, and then go into my own play this game, wrapping up with Iamausername's and Yos2's meta. My vote on Yos2 doesn't look like it'll change any time soon.

[Mastin]

Mastin: Your absurdly long wall of text there made my eyes bleed just trying to read it

Then don't accuse me. I've stated this several times throughout my games; just. Don't. Accuse. Me.
It's really as simple as that. People bring this upon themselves.

and I really have no idea what case

The one that proves you're scum with Iamausername, and that Wulfy is the last Mafia Goon. That case.

you are trying to make on me and/or Iamusername.

You made a huge slip. I called you out for it. I will need to look further into your play, like I said above, both
1: Checking to see your interactions,
and
2: Going into details on Pages 10-12.

I'm not going to go through and quote every single line and respond to it right now

This would be pro-town to do (it gives a more solid view on your opinions for everyone, most importantly, me), but you're not pro-town, are you?

because that would be totally unreadable

I could read it. :/

so let me just hit some key points.

Key points only tell part of the story...

What supposed "scum slip" are you talking about?

This one, and JUST after stating your accusations of me and pointing this out, Iamausername DOES show up, and votes for me, and you bandwagon that shortly afterwards, with a minor distraction from OGML.

You talked about it like 10 times in that post, and I have no idea what you're talking about at all.

I talked about it before...

You also seem to be attacking me because I have, and have had for years now, a mafia theory that town should quite freqently change their minds 180 degrees on a moment's notice.

And I, personally, think it's a load of BS.

Town SHOULD change their opinions, yes. But it should be done gradually. Not suddenly.

Again, I don't care if you disagree with me (nice taking this line out of context, btw)

1: I am known for dissecting posts. Live with it,
2: I didn't take anything out of context,
3: I do disagree with you. So?

that is a mafia theory I have held, and followed as town, ever since playing with Baby Jesus back in 2006.

I will not believe it until I read up on your Meta as town, Yos.

If you think this is in any way scummy

I think it's one of the scummiest things a person can do. So, yes, I think it is scummy.

you are simply wrong.

The "You're wrong!" defense...

I'm not sure what else I can say about that;

You can save me the time of looking at your wiki and post all of your games as town, and at least one recent game of scum for comparison.

I can continue to explain why I think it's good for the town and bad for the scum for town to be somewhat unpredictable

And, via my beliefs in psychology, tells (caution-->Scumtell is similar, for example), etc. can be stated over and over again to counter it.

but you just don't seem to be listening

I cannot listen to something that conflicts with my fundamental beliefs.

so I'm not going to bother.

You should.
Repeating yourself without contradiction (showing consistency)-->HUGE town tell.

Suffice to say that it's something I always strive to do as town, and that I think every pro-town person SHOULD strive to do.

And I think it's scummy, and something ONLY scum would do.

Honestly, the main reason I'm votign for you really isn't lurking anymore.

Which means you've got no real reason to vote for me.

It's that you seem so angry and hostile

Hmm...
Let's see just how wrong this is--

1: I must agree with my friend, Toxic Buffalo on the fact that kindness is a scum tell. He saw it twice in 779.

2: Aggression is a town tell. It is a form of recklessness.

3: I have ALWAYS been aggressive,

4: I have NOT been hostile,

5: This is my true playstyle, which I have now unleashed upon you thanks to your encouragement. Don't like it?
Then don't attack me.

6: You wanted me to contribute. This is how I do it.

you're really not making any sense to me

I've got a wiki article for this:

Mastin's Insane Tells.

The tells that make me who I am.
My logic is not like others' logic.
I am Zwetschenwasser times ten.
Deal with it. But this is me.
And you SHOULD

KNOW

this is me, because you CLAIMED TO HAVE LOOKED INTO MY PRIOR GAMES WHERE I USED THIS PLAYSTYLE AND LOGIC.

It's still good, solid logic.
Also, See the thread:
Bad Logic is not a Scum Tell, in Mafia Discussion. (Links later. Internet is down, but I have this page loaded.)

your attacks seem really unfounded and illogical

They have basis on STRONG, VERY SOLID tells which I truly believe in.
You made a HUGE slip. I nailed ya for it.

and your defense just looks scummy

My defense is strong, and solid. Anything can be made to look scummy if done correctly.

"your meta on me is incorrect."

I then elaborated on WHY it is incorrect after saying this. You failed to mention THAT part, because you didn't want to make your argument look weaker.

"I CAN NOT BE METAD, EVER, BY ANYONE!!!11!"

In attack?
Never.
Defense?
Always.
Believe it or not, it IS a one-way street. I said this in Inventor; I was town then, like I am now.

Anyway, I'm looking foward to hearing your "case".

You've seen part of it.

---

Okay. Moving on to finish the case.

[Mastin]

(Forgot the links, sorry.)

[Mastin]

Mastin's thoughts:

Hmm...I *know* that I made the page longer, but...

I couldn't have made it THAT long, could I? That must mean that someone else has posted a wall of text for me to respond to! YAY!

(And then, the world ends, for Mastin begins to respond to it. )

I agree with you that Iamusername hasn't posted much content.

Then you should have called him out for it.
You didn't.
You said that we hadn't heard from him in a while.

You did NOT accuse him of not posting much content. And I find that odd.

That is a perfectly reasonable reason to suspect him;

But, somehow, YOU STILL HAD PRO-TOWN VIBES FROM HIM.
I can't see anyone but a werewolf having slipped up so badly with that opinion.

I've mentioned myself that we need to hear more from him.

This is NOT the same thing as an accusation.

I will note that nothing in that summery is actually an attack against me.

Oh, yes. Yes it was.

Off the top of my head, I can think of Yos2's reasons for voting Fallen.

Amongst them was that he ignored Yos2's NOT SCUM thing--
Yet many players didn't. As Tarb pointed out, only five DID. Many others also ignored the RVS ploy.

Khamisa, Wulfy, and Kore, for example, didn't address it at all. I did, but I didn't participate.

An attack against your "slightly better than random" vote.

Didn't think my response was scummy, but though FA's was, when others after FA didn't do it, either.

I asked a question about why Yos didn't think it was scummy; he didn't post an answer. (This doesn't count as an answer; it's a further accusation.)

This was a further accusation about your reasoning behind the "slightly better than random" reason.

Tell me, Yos2: What made you use this tactic in this game, rather than an earlier game? Surely, the event where this tactic was first used had come a good time ago; why'd you wait until this game to use it?

You seem to be trying to describe everything I've done in a way that assumes I am scum

So? So what?
It's called a case AGAINST you for a reason.
I've done this COUNTLESS times in my games.

Tunneling.

More tunneling.

More tunneling...

You, uh, get the idea.
Iso-read me in 735 as a cop. My style wasn't because I had a guilty, though. It was because that's how I play.

More examples of tunneling.

And more...

Pretty much tunneling there as well. Iso reading 742 might not be the best example, as I was also a cop there. How about we look into other games, though?

Attacking Ivan and Chief.

More attacking,

More attacking,

And more attacking.
This continued until I was night-killed. Iso-reading 763 will provide you with a good, vanilla townie example of this.

Let's save you the time of individual posts and further Link you to similar play. In this case, that I tunneled on Green and Seraph for most of the game, and from the grave, had tunneled on GLaDOS.

As the doc, I tunneled on who became Henrz. This was mainly due to Henrz's poor defense, and I definitely wouldn't have lynched Philly.

I was convinced that Nabakov was scum, a low point for me,

and so on, and so on.

Conclusion:

LIVE WITH IT. I've gotten, in all of those games, AT LEAST six mafia from my style. I have NO intention of changing it otherwise.
Or better yet, self-vote, give up, accept you're mafia, and that I caught you.

but none of it actually explains why any of my posts woudl be more likely made by a scum then by a town.

Amongst others, there's that one VERY vital post from you:
On that page, you and Iamausername slipped badly. You
-Started accusations on me,
-Immediately after that, stated how we hadn't heard from Iamausername in a while. SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE hadn't posted for a while; you chose Iamausername SPECIFICALLY.
-Iamausername then shows up IMMEDIATELY after that, and votes for me.
-Then you, in what I see as the first contentful post since your accusations against me, you vote me.

Those four are perhaps the most condemning pieces of evidence in existence.

I really did explain why it was scummy, you know:
[the following is his quote]
Right. My theory was that scum would be all paranoid about responding to something like that, in any way, for fear it would look scummy; I know I would feel wierd about blatently yelling "NOT TOWN!" as scum, whereas as town I might be more likely to just play along and have fun. So once it got going, my plan was to vote the first person who completly ignored the whole thing, on the theory that that was the most likely way for scum to respond to it; I'd expect town would either play along with it, or attack it, but scum would try to ignore it completly. And you were the first to not mention it at all.
[end his quote]
Did you miss that explination?

That isn't an explanation. It still doesn't say why you didn't think MY response was scummy. And, as I said, SEVERAL others ignored it. Only five (including yourself) responded to it, and I had my own response to it, but that STILL leaves, how many? Yea, something like SIX others who IGNORED it.

You didn't count, because you specifically responded to my post.

I responded, alright, but I didn't participate in the activity--
You have yet to answer:
What makes my response not scummy, yet ignoring it to be scummy?

Anyway, it should have been clear that I was just trying to skip making a random vote, and instead went to a "slightly better then random vote".

Which you never removed...

That is, if a random vote in this game would be 45% likely to hit scum, my vote was, I donno, 5% better then that or so.

And, again, why'd you use this tactic THIS game, instead of, oh, say, your last, or the one before that?

It was the second page;

Page numbers mean NOTHING.

I figured it was pretty clear that my vote was not based on much

Yet apparently was enough to keep it on, when at the time, the only thing against FA was the Meta case I had posted, essentially.

just a silly thing I did to get the game rolling and the fact that I wouldn't have voted for you the way FA did there.

FA's vote was something which should've been obvious was random. His explanation of his actions didn't seem to fit my meta on FA. Besides that (and rolefishing), there wasn't anything at the time which would've been scummy.

Note that, while I voted FA for this reason, this was not the reason I kept my vote there as we started to get close to a lynch.

There wasn't much of a case against FA. My main reason for voting FA was a difference in meta, and what I saw as rolefishing. There wasn't anything else against him. (On a side note, I just realized how bad FA's luck is--I've seen him lynched twice on day one as town, now, and once on day two)

Your logic on Kore is...weak.

Lol. Nice defense. [/sarcasm]

Yes, you are correct, I'm not mafia.

But you ARE a werewolf, aren't you?
Your continued push against me, despite my solid defense, you trying to switch reasonings behind voting me, when you realize your original reasoning is extremely flawed, is further proof of this.

That's hardly proof that I'm scum, it's just the opposte.

If you're not a member of the Mafia, then you're either town, or a werewolf. Which makes you more likely to be a Werewolf, from your attitude thusfar in the game. ESPECIALLY with Selective Scum Hunting in factor; selectively scum hunting the mafia is proof that you are a werewolf who wants the mafia dead.

Plus, you're "Kore made one comment about Yos being confusing so Yos killed kore for that" explination is really, really weak;

1: This was actually TWO accusations: One, that of proof you're not mafia.
And if you're denying that and saying it's weak...No, it is not. Other than distancing, partners will almost NEVER express confusion about each other--they can communicate with each other to clarify confusion, if they have daytalking abilities (the mod confirmed this is the case, much to my shock).

2: The other was that you might've night-killed those who suspected you.
YOU made an argument that I would keep players alive if they supported me.
I have found that, people as scum, will do the things they are accusing others of.
Meaning that YOU would keep players alive who agreed with you.
Which is extremely similar to killing players who DISAGREE with you, or even SUSPECT you.

And THAT is valid. Day one suspicions grow STRONGER every time that someone flips town.

Like I said, I wouldn't have night-killed Kore, a prime suspect of mine. Kore would've made for an EXCELLENT lynch today, putting us in lylo tomorrow, leaving us in a good position to win. Instead, I would've killed a pro-town appearing player, such as OGML, you (at the time), and Iamausername (at the time).

Now tell me, Yos2.
If you are saying you are disagreeing with it, who WOULD you kill as scum?

it's hardly like Kore spent most of day 1 trying to lynch me.

You were one of Kore's only suspects. Kore spent most of day two trying to stop Khamisa's lynch. If Kore were left alive, Kore very likely would've gone HARD after someone like you, a suspect day one.

If anything, the most likely explination for the Kore kill is that the wolves knew that their biggest threat was the mafia

There's no way you could even assume this unless you were a member of the werewolves, Yos2. There are THOUSANDS of reasons that Kore could've been night-killed.
Unless you're admitting to being a werewolf, then I really don't see this as something ANY good werewolf would do. Eliminating the Mafia would NOT be my top priority as a wolf; LYNCHING them would be. Lynching a member of the Mafia looks REALLY good, AND would lead the werewolves closer to victory if I were one.

So, yea...
There's not a chance on earth that I, myself, would've night-killed Kore.
The person who I find most likely to have done it, ESPECIALLY after this explanation, is Yos2.

so they decided to try and kill a mafia member.

Poor play. Again, what if Kore were left alive?
Two mafia, two werewolves today (unless Kore's partner were nk'd).
Who would be the lynch?
Kore, an extremely scummy player,
Or someone else, who could theoretically be a werewolf?

I'd definitely, as a werewolf, be pushing for the former.

Especally after the strong arguments OMGL made yesterday linking Kore to Khamisa

It is for this reason that Kore would've been kept alive--a link to a confirmed scum player.

Who here agrees with Yos2, in that killing Kore was a move to eliminate the mafia?

Who here agrees with me, in that--as werewolves--it would be best to leave Kore alive to be lynched today?

*raises hand*

it seems pretty obvious why Kore was killed.

NOTHING like that should be OBVIOUS to ANY player, EXCEPT for the one who KILLED Kore. This is FURTHER proof that Yos2 is a werewolf.

FA clearly didn't understand why lynching the claimed cop on day 1 was a bad idea.

I wouldn't say that. To be honest, I was ignoring his attacks against CJ. Instead, I was focusing on his Meta and rolefishing instead. So I didn't exactly see the whole conversation that well. But this explanation sticked out like a sore thumb. You were explaining to him a concept which I think that he should've already known, and you also threw in some wifom where it wasn't needed.

Well, either that, or FA was pretending not to in order to try to lynch a cop.

You're casting doubt...on a player who is NOW CONFIRMED TOWN.

This seems like an attack...against a dead player...who can't even defend himself anymore. That's just...wrong. Seriously, seriously...wrong. (I know this feeling all too well. The attacks that I have to endure some times without the capability to fight back...makes me sick.)

The best way to find out which one of those was true was to explain it in some detail, and judge the reaction.

This did NOT seem like what you were doing AT ALL.

The reaction did not impress me as pro-town, so I didn't remove my vote.

I agree, in that FA wasn't particularly Pro-town...but to not remove it from the reaction? I definitely am not buying it.

Was that the reason I voted FA? No, but that wasn't what I was asked.

It is to me. When people ask what the case against a player is, to me, that means what was YOUR reason for voting that player.

You're trying to make it sound like I was lying here,

And what's the problem with that? I think you are, I think you're caught werewolf DESPERATELY trying to fight back, pushing for my lynch with WHATEVER you can get a hold of.

but no, I answered the question truthfully and correctly,

Not in my eyes.

If by "selective scumhunting" you mean "selectivly hunting for people who are scum", then yes, i was doing that.

Don't tell me you seriously didn't know what I was talking about, Yos2. You've been playing for years, correct?

Reasons are not always necessary

1: Yes. Yes, they are. Reasons are ALWAYS necessary for a vote.

2: I'm going to quote you on this in my response to some of your points, just to prove you false.

especally when you're right.

Oh, yes. The bandwagon was correct. It landed on scum, a Member of the Mafia.
But no.
It wasn't pro-town.
Selective Scum Hunting is hunting for a specific faction. In your case, you were hunting Mafia members, but not Werewolves. Why?
Because you are one, of course.

So, I'm scum because I didn't buy your "proof" that your lurking somehow wasn't a scumtell?

Yes.
Yes, you are.
I beat you at your metagaming game.
A pro-town player would admit defeat on the points they were making.
Not you.
You switched to other, even WORSE reasoning upon learning that I had defended too well against your accusations.

Look; meta aside, lurking is *ALWAYS* a scumtell, ok?

No. It is NOT.

-I lurked in 735. I was waiting for enough responses for me to throw together a long post, and wanted extra feedback before posting my own. I had waited until Kieraen had given himself up as the last scum, before claiming cop, for example.
-I lurked in 742. Pretty much the same. I was building a case against AceMarksman (although, really, the main thing against him was Chainsaw Defense against someone who I knew was guilty), but still, wasn't posting in that time. When Jeff voted me, I claimed.
-I lurked in 760. Tried building opinions, and failed miserably several times. I wasn't contributing my all to the game.
-I lurked in 763. I fell six pages behind. It was originally due to laziness and not wanting to log into the game. It later became serious and I fell behind due to it.
-I lurked in 141. Because of it, I fell one page behind, and from then on, was ALWAYS behind and never caught up.
-I lurked in Inventor Mafia rather some bit. And even active lurked.

Guess what?
I WAS TOWN IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

That's just ME.
And some players are ALWAYS known for lurking (such as, say, killa seven).

I've seen scum lurk. I lurked in 688, Kier lurked in 735, MiteyMouse "lurked" in 762, Papa Zito faked being gone (something I did in 735 and 742) in 762 as well, but other than that, no examples come to mind.
I've seen town lurking far more recently than scum.

It's a null tell these days.
Perhaps it was a scum tell back in the day, when you first started playing.
But now?
No.

Scum lurk more then town,

Not in my experience. I've seen town lurk more than scum in my dozen or so games.

and lurking is also anti-town.

I agree. It IS anti-town. But

-ANTI-TOWN IS NOT SCUMMY,
-NOR IS ANTI-TOWN A SCUM-TELL,
-NOR IS IT ANY KIND OF SIGN OF SCUM.

It's anti-town. Not beneficial to the town.
Not pro-scum. A sign of their alignment.

There's a HUGE difference.

In any case, the reason I especally suspected you for lurking dosn't have anything to do with daytalking, or experenced players

Yes. Yes, it does.

Your reason for suspecting me for lurking was BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT I FEAR SLIPPING UP AS SCUM, which IS RELATED TO DAYTALKING AND EXPERIENCED PLAYERS. I gave quotes to PROVE this as the case.

so all those arguments were completly irrelevent to my suspicions.

Yea...you're caught scum. You're lying between your teeth.

You've said,
essentially,
"The last time I saw Mastin as scum, he lurked a lot",
"Mastin fears slipping up as scum, and tends to post less often as scum",
etc.
Want me to bring up the REAL quotes to prove it?

Yet NOW you say you were NOT saying that was the case, despite it being PERFECTLY CLEAR that you WERE.

Yos2's caught scum. I think we can all agree to this. I will rest assured knowing that, if I am lynched, he'll go tomorrow. (Wulfy suspected Yos2, OGML suspects Yos2, I suspect Yos2, I believe Tarb also mentioned suspecting Yos2...who here doesn't suspect Yos2? Especially after he's pushing so hard for my lynch with BS'd [For my aggressive posts? I mean, COME ON! That's something I've been doing ever since I started playing. It's a scum tell for me to be acting NICE in a game.] reasons?)

But, preferably, that won't happen; instead, he'll be lynched today, I'll be night-killed for turning the lynch around, and Iamausername will be lynched tomorrow as his scum buddy. Then the rest of the town can decide to either spare Wulfy or lynch the poor Mafia person.

The way you exploded

I started playing again, where before, I had stopped. LOOK AT INVENTOR MAFIA. You should SEE the EXACT SAME PATTERN THERE. I started out not contributing anything, and then EXPLODED with my posts, defending myself. I was about to provide a case in attack, when I was lynched then.

and OMGUS voted me

1: It was not OMGUS--I saw a SERIOUS slip from you, and a pattern in the actions of you and Iamausername.

2: EVEN IF IT WERE OMGUS, guess what?
MY META SUPPORTS ME.
-I attacked Kier and And in 735. I had a guilty on And, and suspect Kier, but nothing else.
-I attacked Ace for defending Kronos/Khan by attacking me, what I saw as Chainsaw Defense.
-I attacked Mikek in 763 for defending Ivan/Chief.

And so on, and so forth.

when I didn't instantly buy your explinations?

I gave my proof. You didn't believe it until it was CLEAR that I had dominated you in the meta argument. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, you SUDDENLY switched to OTHER even WORSE reasoning for keeping the vote on me.

Then. Don't. Be. Scum.

I never am.
Seriously, I can count with half a hand the number of times I've been scum. The number of times people have accused me of being scum?

Yea, every single game I've ever played, with possibly one or two exceptions.

Uh, I just asked you to clarify what you were talking about

And I did.

So, what are you talking about?

You mentioned Iamausername, OUT OF ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HADN'T POSTED A GREAT DEAL. You mentioned him as being pro-town, WHEN HE HADN'T EVEN CONTRIBUTED MUCH.
I called you out for it, and pointed it out. Then you got FAR heavier in your attacks against me.

How would it be a pro-town thing to do to respond to an unreadable wall of words with another unreadable wall of words?

Pay attention to the bolded:

This would be pro-town to do

(it gives a more solid view on your opinions for everyone,

most importantly, me

)

, but you're not pro-town, are you?

It not only lets people see your thoughts better, but allows for me to respond better to your accusations. Only quoting PART of the message only delivers PART of the POST.

I want the rest of the town to get what I'm trying to say,

The best way to do this is to quote, part for part, what I had said and respond to it, so we know EXACTLY what you were saying.

and not just skim past it.

If people don't want to read, then they should go watch a movie. Not play a text-based game. If people want to read less, then they either
1: Avoid games where I am playing,
or
2: Don't attack me.

In the games where I am least suspected, I have the shortest posts. (Want references? I can give 'em.)

So I responded to the relevent points in a short, succint, logical manner.

You did not. You quoted the weaker parts of the argument, cutting out the explanations and evidence supporting what I had said.

Being clear and readable IS the pro-town thing to do, Mastin.

My posts ARE clear and ARE readable. They have a specific format which is easy to follow. It takes TIME to do so, yes, but again, if people don't want to read, then they can go to a movie, watch television, and/or play a video game for all I care.

People can either live with my walls of text,
Choose to avoid them at all costs,
Or they can take steps to make sure I avoid making them, such as, well, NOT ACCUSING ME FALSELY OF BEING SCUM.

Unreadable posts only are good for scum trying to smash their way out of a corner.

The thing is, the longer a post is, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT SCUM WILL SLIP. So if people read, line by line, a long post, THEY FIND SCUM MORE OFTEN.

What the hell?

Let me translate this into what Yos2 wants to say, but can't:
"Ah, SH*censored*! He's right! Umm...I'll have to be more careful in the future. Umm...let's try reacting to it in the most pro-town way I can think of."

I was commenting that I wanted to hear more from Iamusername.

SPECIFICALLY Iamausername, though. THERE WERE MANY OTHERS WHO HAD NOT CONTRIBUTED A GREAT DEAL,

ESPECIALLY

AT THE TIME OF THAT POST.

You singled out a SPECIFIC player and said that it'd be nice to hear more from them.
Even more condemning, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, Iamausername DOES show up, and basically votes for YOUR "suspect" at the time, Me.

In other words, I was complaining about his lurking.

Wanting to hear more about a player is NOT the same as complaining about lurking. They are two ENTIRELY different things. Wanting to hear more from a player is essentially asking for a prod/for them to contribute more. Complaining about lurking is just that: COMPLAINING ABOUT LURKING.

I also said that I did have a pro-town vibe from the posts he did make, which is true.

This. Is. Utter.

BS

. You've EVEN ON THIS PAGE

STATED

THAT YOU HAVE SUSPICIONS OF Iamausername. Want the quote? I'll give it to you if necessary. You're TOTALLY contradicting yourself, Yos2. You. Are. Caught. Scum.

How the hell is that a "scum slip"?

Hmm, let's review for the tenth time...

-You accused me of lurking, essentially, setting me up as one of your top suspects.
-You then, OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS WHO YOU

COULD

HAVE MENTIONED,

SPECIFICALLY

MENTION Iamausername.
-Iamausername VERY SHORTLY AFTER THAT

DOES

show up, WITH A VOTE ON

ME

, when I just so happen to be

YOUR

TOP SUSPECT AS WELL.
-Then, in your next contentful post, YOU MAKE IT OFFICIAL AND

BANDWAGON

ME. You even put me at L-1.

It's pretty much just a streightfoward statement of fact

On a SINGLE SPECIFIC player. You could've said that about MANY other players at the time. You chose Iamausername...why?
Yea...that's a scumslip, Yos2.

an attempt of mine to prevent someone from lurking

This, ITSELF, EVEN ALONE, contradicts your supposed town read on Iamausername. BY YOUR OWN ADMITION, YOU ARE SAYING LURKING IS A SCUM TELL. Which

FUNDAMENTALLY

CONTRADICTS WITH A TOWN READ.

while at the same time stating my current opinion on that person.

You cannot both say they are lurking and that you have a pro-town read on them, when you put so much weight on lurking being a scum tell.

Those are all important, pro-town things to do.

1: Again, they contradict themselves, and
2: SEVERAL other people had contributed EQUALLY LITTLE AT THE TIME OF THAT POST. You chose Iamausername OUT OF ALL THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS.

The fact that he posted after I complained that we needed to hear more from him is *EXACTALLY WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN WHEN I DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT SOMEONE IS LURKING.*

AKA, wants your partner to post after you notice he has not...

At least half the time, lurkers are still reading the game, they're just being quiet;

And Iamausername proved this by posting a weak case against me. You seriously didn't have suspicions over that?
Oh, right.
You IGNORED that post.

usually if you point out that they're lurking, they show up.

1: Many others had been contributing about the same amount at the time as Iamausername (read: not very much at all). You chose Iamausername out of all those options.

2: And the fact that Iamausername showed up just after that should've proved he was lurking, no?
Why'd you ignore this fact?

Answer: He's your scumbuddy.

Which is why pointing out lurkers is a damn good thing for pro-town people to do.

Yet you chose ONLY Iamausername,
AND
He showed up immediately after wards, confirming your supposed suspicions of him.

Again, you seem to just be taking everything I say, and trying to put a scummy spin on it.

I'm only seeing what's really there:
Scum.

---

I have to leave, right now, but might I point out this?
As if confirming everything, the very next post after Yos2's is, as I thought, Iamausername. They are caught, they know it, and they are going to stop at NOTHING to get me lynched before them.

[Mastin]

Right, so, I'm going to be a bit busy. I spent a whole day on this game alone. It'll probably take another day or two to respond to the rest of Yos2's posts and those after it, but I've got other games to attend to.

(Don't like it?
Live with it.
I gave a good, solid post just a while ago, and believe everything I said, there. It will have to suffice for now, as I've got other games to attend to. I put more attention to games where I'm the leading bandwagon [especially as town], but I can't simply ignore my others.)

[Mastin]

<--Still busy.

Just something I have to say, if someone drops the hammer:

The fact that I've been at L-1 for DAYS proves that BOTH the werewolves already voted me, meaning of

Yos2
OGML,
and Iamausername,

Two are werewolves. (Wulfy doesn't count; Wulfy's the mafia member.)

[Mastin]

By the way, Yos2, a few links for convenience:

Even some of the best players on this site slip.

Of course, newbies do it just as often.

Which is why I DEFINITELY think this was a slip from you, Yos2.

True purpose of this post is to explain to you your status:

Screwed.
You're screwed if you lynch me, screwed if you don't.

If you lynch me, I flip town. People will realize EVERYTHING I said was legit. You pushing for my lynch based off of BS reasons (A meta I shot full of holes, "aggressive explosive play", etc.) and the slips I pointed out will fall under heavy scrutiny. You're lynched in lylo, your buddy (Iamausername) dies the next day.

If you don't, then I turn the tables around and lynch you. Iamausername nk's me, Iamausername is lynched the next day, the town deals with Wulfy, the mafia member, after that.

(If I am lynched, then I will break the rules of the Bah posts if anyone but Yos2 is lynched. It'll be one, four-letter word which I will make in a large font size, perhaps bolded, italicized, and underlined. Take a guess at which. )

[Mastin]

Blasted typos.
1: Forgot to mention--still busy. (Trying to figure something out in real life which I don't understand.)

2:

(If I am lynched today, then I will break the rules of the Bah posts by posting a second time if anyone but Yos2 is lynched tomorrow. It'll be one, four-letter word which I will make in a large font size, perhaps bolded, italicized, and underlined. Take a guess at which. )

[Mastin]

<--Is about to have an internet failure.

I'm loading both pages 12 and 13 to work on this game offline. I'll build up my defense of my actions, and further attack Yos2, with Iamausername as his buddy. (Seriously, people, get the message:

I don't care what's said. When you're in a game and a pro-town player is at L-1 for DAYS with people expressing a willingness to hammer, BOTH the scum are ALREADY on the bandwagon:
Yos2,
Iamausername,
and OGML.

Yos2's my #1, with Iamausername as his buddy. OGML is also a possibility, and I haven't ruled out what I saw as suspicious play from him.)

We're still a while from deadline; hammering a pro-town player before they build their case-->Mistake.

[Mastin]

There have been many different ways of saying it. Throughout mafia history, it has been said thousands of times. Normally, a three-letter word, with some variant of the first letter in it. Some mods don't allow it, some insist that it can ONLY be a three-letter word, and some mods allow for more freedom, as long as it has no game-related content. But my personal favorite way of saying this phrase, this thing that I'd utter every game if the mod allowed it (seeing as how I've never lived to an endgame), that unique phrase of mine,

AAAAaaaarrg!! (Bah, Gah, etc.) Go town.

[Mastin]

(Mastin, Don´t even think about it.)

Aww, why not? :/