Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[Kise]

Vote: RayFrost

We can't let this infidel take the fun out of RVS!!!

[Kise]

You can't even properly use a quote tag. How do you expect to gain followers, mortal?

[Kise]

Hider? Stop rolefishing!

[Kise]

Sorry. Gonna have to bus ya, buddy.

Unvote; Vote: Vaya

Distancing and all.

[Kise]

Don't make me give out your government name, Will.

[Kise]

Tarhalindur(1)

- Merkabah

Vaya(1)

- Kise

Mufasa(1)

- Raivann

Socrates(2)

- Cyberbob, MonkeyMan576

Exalt(1)

- Glork

Kise(3)

- xRECKONERx, RayFrost, Pads

Glork(1)

- Exalt

Empking(1)

- Riceballtail

RayFrost(1)

- Wickedestjr

MonkeyMan576(2)

- Socrates, Snow_Bunny

Cyberbob(1)

- Tarhalindur

Holy shit.. we just got modconfirmed!!!

Wicked, stop being a party-pooper.

[Kise]

Ah, 8 pages.

I'll be back into this

AFAP

TOMORROW

[Kise]

unvote, vote: kise kise needs to die first, I think he's the scum PR.

How do you know that there is a scum PR in this game? Also, how do you know that there is only one scum PR? If there was more than one scum PR, then I don't think you would have said "the" scum PR.

Vote: Rayfrost

Hider? Stop rolefishing!

Why should he stop rolefishing, it looks to me like the role he was fishing for was scum? Also, this is quite hypocritical. You are asking him if he's a hider, so you are rolefishing.

No, I ask if he [joke] referred to me as hider. And didn't you just finish suspecting him? How are seriously going to look at two people engaged in RVS convo and suspect them both for non-serious comments? You can't suspect two people who oppose each other, even if jokingly. The proper expression has something to do with an inability to have cake and eat it... I forget. Check my avy. It's not yours.

Vote: Wickedestjr

IGMEO Warwound & SolemnJ

@Big Willy - Do you remember in Day & Night that whole Monkey Vs. BC situation? Both flipped town, and the case against Monkey was that he said BC was overreacting. Would you say we're seeing similar words/thought patterns from Monkey here? I need a 2nd opinion.

[Kise]

I think they either need to kill the noise, or become the D1 & D2 lynches.

Please, guys, could you cut out the personal attacks? I get bad memories of ABR/zwet.

[Kise]

No, because I don't want the negativity to kill the fun. Now answer my question.

[Kise]

That was a bit opportunistic, wasn't it, Glork?

[Kise]

Actually, more so Cyberbob. He posted after me, but waited until someone else (you, Glork) called me out on lining up lynches.

[Kise]

No such thing as ignoring them. Their posts were going to be hate-filled and you couldn't get a genuine read on them as far as alignments go, hence why my first suggestion was for them to settle down. I would have liked to assessed them accurately, but a modkill on mafia is all good in my hood.

[Kise]

Basically, I was calling for a policy lynch if they were going to deny us a proper game.

[Kise]

I can get behind this^

Believing MM's claim, I will also consider that there is Watcher around here. If that person exist and is open to suggestions, I'd target MM just in case he's roleblocked, or worst.

Scum reads = Wickedjester, Cyberbob, & swimmer

[Kise]

Know I haven't been the least bit productive, but I'm taking

V/LA until Sunday afternoon due to Thanksgiving and all that jazz.

Umm.. I won't park my vote. Chances are the day will still be going on when I return.

[Kise]

Unvote: Vaya

Will vote when I read up. How was Thanksgiving, all?

[Kise]

My sincerest apologies for the absence. Sunday (yes, Sunday) will be when I can give thoughts on everything that's transpired.

[Kise]

Cyberbob's the lynch, town or scum.

lmao

LOL. Still got my eye on you though, Cyber.

[Kise]

Don't want to vote until I make sure there's reason to still find Cyberbob scummy. Sunday, as I said. I barely can read half a page in an hour.

[Kise]

Vote: Cyber

Lynch a VT > No lynch.

So you know/believe he's VT then?

[Kise]

Silence, gaijin.

[Kise]

Lol @ chan. Show some respect, then I answer question.

[Kise]

Vote: Monkeyman

Odd nights eh? Well that's funny considering Sens didn't have a limitation. It's also funny that you targeted Snow Bunny, who is now dead.

L-1. Speedlynch with caution.

FOS Annachie

for trying to leave MM some hope. Negro please.

Infinis, you're leaking.

[Kise]

I think you're a weaboo, but as far as the game goes, the only thing that would make me think you're far from being anti-town is that ballsy tracker claim. Monkeyman was roachmeat as soon as Sens flipped, so not sure why you felt the need to rush the lynch by claiming. You have done good to question people last I remember. Hopefully you got the results/reads you wanted, because I didn't get much out of them.

Monkey, I don't care if you play this game sweeter than Xyl. When you get caught as obvscum, you die. Simple as. You could have been squeaky clean and had the most pro-town behavior yesterday, but Sens flipping tracker, plus you claiming odd night limits... you really did drop the soap on this one. It's not my fault I can't help but tap that ass.

[Kise]

Kill yourself.

[Kise]

Thanks, zor'.

[Kise]

Annapacquin fos'd the monkey when he was obvscum, asking that he full claims. Pfft!

Raivann

All questions, no input.

[Kise]

Shit... okay first of all, not bandwagoning. I didn't know Tar posted/voted also.

[Kise]

While I'm here, may as well mention my suspicion of Wicked is lifted. Pads is Jupiter Mafia BTW.

Starkiss out...

[Kise]

Lol @ saying Pads is town off of 1 post.

MMan and Exalt are pretty clearly scum together.

Then again... maybe you're right.

Rai, thanks for pointing that out.

Wicked, bring up that post you need me to answer. Please? Pretty please?

Anna, yes you. You pointed the finger at Monkey and said you'd wait for a full claim before doing anything else. The fullclaim never came, only more votes on monkey. You tacked on a vote -- I'm guessing just to later say you lynched scum -- and you didn't even leave any meaty comment to explain why you voted without getting the full claim you asked for.

Pads is Jupiter Mafia for the casual convos/tips he gave to MM D1 (probably later), as well as attempting to tackle Wicked's attacks when he went at it with Exalt. To me it says Wick likely isn't Jupiter, so maybe I shouldn't drop it all together.

Believing there to be a serial killer > another scum group is silly. MM and Exalt are labeled Jupiter for a reason.

[Kise]

Sorry for inactivity. Snowstorm took me out. Catching up now.

[Kise]

Vote: Annachie

Happy birthday. I'll look at those questions tomorrow.. as in Day 4. Unless I'm dead. (yeah right)

[Kise]

I'm looking at Merk and Kise first because I think their defense of Muh is scummy and I really can't see the reason for it as that defense is the only thing that makes Muh look scummy.

Alright. I never defended muh at all. If my suspicions on you came at a time when you were grilling Muh, nothing was intentional on my part. I think it was zoraster that mentioned your suspicion over me never came until I engaged you first. That whole thing was coincidental.

Negro please can be defined here.

I may be wrong on Kise, but with something like 11 unanswered questions to him I doubt it.

Are there really 11 questions? Because all I see are Anna asking about negro please and why I decided to FOS her when she attacked muh. I mean, yeah, Anna repeated the questions about 11 times, but did I miss anything from anyone else?

@everyone else voting muh: How sure are you that there's two scumgroups? Cause it seems like everyone keeps forgetting that the two Jupiter Mafia that have died pushed swimmer/wysp/muh pretty hard early in the game, hard enough to probably get swimmer lynched.

Day 1, before Exile died? Well I consider the possible set-ups but I also consider bussing. Muh could very well be a scapegoat. I'll have to iso MonkeyMan to see if he wanted Muh dead after Exile died and on Day 2. If MM dropped it day 2, then I think MM was trying to preserve one of his last partners... although I personally can't say I've made links to Muh and Jupiter Mafia.

RE: Two scum factions: Why are they called Jupiter and not simply mafia? And why has their name not been colored by the mod, do you think? If there

are not

two scum factions, then again, why Jupiter Mafia, yet we're not called something like Saturn Townies? We're simply townie, so that tells me even more that.

It's interesting to note that when Raivann's wagon picks up, Soc' gets another vote going on Vaya. I hate to be pulling one of Anna's moves, but I'm curious to hear from you Socrates why you didn't vote Vaya sooner or what made you change your mind and decide to vote Vaya when he hasn't posted anything in between?

@Percy & Wicked - You guys should consider making a hydra. It'd be good to get two players for the price of one. I've been liking you more and more, Wicked, and Percy is also doing a part to contribute and help everyone figure this game out.

@whoever asked me about muh - Him and Vaya are in the same boat as far as being contentless. I don't see it as a scumtell as the easiest solution is just to ask them for their thoughts on certain events or certain players. If they tell you something that translates into them not keeping up with the game or not bothering to read the game, then they make for good lynches in that case.

With that said, Muh, do you have any major suspicions and on who, and for what reasons? Same question to you Vaya.

[Kise]

Didn't finish my thoughts:

RE: Two scum factions: Why are they called Jupiter and not simply mafia? And why has their name not been colored by the mod, do you think? If there

are not

two scum factions, then again, why Jupiter Mafia, yet we're not called something like Saturn Townies? We're simply townie, so that tells me even more that.

Thaaaaaat more than 1 Mafia faction is in existence. It'd be rather comical of Seraph to make a single mafia group unique by calling them Jupiter, whereas Town (and possibly any other roles) are simply.. Town (and/or whatever else may exist).

[Kise]

LMBYAOATNH!!!

1: Okay. That just wasn't how I interprated it.

2: Here he has a problem with me suspecting two people in the RVS for their non-serious comments. I thought that was how we got out of the RVS. Isn't it?

No. You can't make something out of jokes. And you definitely can't have your cake and eat it too by suspecting two people you perceive as arguing. That's like saying, "either or is scum, and I'll be on both wagons."

3: Says I can't accuse two players who oppose each other. There are many reasons why this is false. Firstly, there could be two scum groups and different scum group members opposing each other. Secondly, even if we knew there was one scum group, what would be wrong with suspecting two players who oppose each other anyway?

Again, RVS phase. Nothing we said was serious. So you can't get anything out of our comments.

I have previous experience being in a situation in which two people who opposed each other were both acting scummy. Thirdly, I wasn't even suspecting RayFrost nor Kise seriously in the first place. My vote for RayFrost was after reading a page of information, and I was simply questioning something that Kise had said. Why does that mean I am suspecting both of you?

I'll show you why in my next post.

Fourthly, he assumes that I would think about scum relationships on page 2 of the game. That is a stupid assumption.

Umm... back up. Where do I assume you're thinking about scum relationships? And by scum relationships, do you mean of the same faction?

4: Thanks? Can you explain why you said this?

Because Warwound & SolemnJ's productivity was non-existent. I'm not the type that likes to carry non-contributing players around into the later stages of the game unless I find someone else highly probable scum.

5: Why not give yours?

MM was town in the game I asked Will about. He was vehemont and dead-set on another player "overreacting" so I asked Will if he saw the same thing or not. I didn't give mine because I didn't want to influence Will's answer.

I also would like to know why your suspicion of me has "lifted".

Kinda went over this in my last post. You're serious about the scumhunting-progress. To me, that eliminates you from being a lazy scummer.

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[Kise]

Here is where you have your cake and eat it by viewing me and Ray (mind you, we opposed each other in the RVS sense of things) as suspicious:

unvote, vote: kise kise needs to die first, I think he's the scum PR.

How do you know that there is a scum PR in this game? Also, how do you know that there is only one scum PR? If there was more than one scum PR, then I don't think you would have said "the" scum PR.

Vote: Rayfrost

Hider? Stop rolefishing!

Why should he stop rolefishing, it looks to me like the role he was fishing for was scum? Also, this is quite hypocritical. You are asking him if he's a hider, so you are rolefishing.

Do you see how you've got your sights on us two? For one thing, I wasn't calling him hider but asking him if he called me hider. It was just weird as hell that you'd give Ray props for rolefishing against scum, yet you had your vote on him..

[Kise]

@Merk - The only thing I've seen against Muh from Jupiter mafia is before Exalt died, and afterwards when MM just gives him a FOS but doesn't press hard for it. I'd call it distancing if anything. Like I said, Muh could have been the D1 scapegoat.

I'm cool with a massclaim.

[Kise]

Also, another thing I'd like to point out is that RBT has done the exact same thing, but

out

of the RVS:

You seem to have completely ignored it.

Didn't ignore it. You used my name so you got the attention. And... I was probably-definitely inactive that month.

[Kise]

What the fuck

[Kise]

1143 = coaching?

[Kise]

Why are you telling muh how many shots JOATs get? If he really is JOAT, he should know.

[Kise]

TV/VT. I'll post thoughts tomorrow.

[Kise]

Raiann - "VT"
Pads - "Vanilla"

Heh, why the quotation marks?

[Kise]

Vote: Raivann

muh has to be town. There's no way he typed up that line for the PGO-ability.

[Kise]

You did a good job not giving me much of anything to make a case on you, Pads. I had it at you and Rai, but I didn't want to appear like I was instigating you for no reason.

@Wicked - Was I right about you slipping D1 when you suspected RayFrost and myself, or were you being honest about being in a slightly RVS mood?