Mini 1368 (Game Over)

[basketballstar24]

Hello.

Vote: triangle123

because circles>triangles) because angles are more interesting.

[basketballstar24]

It's RVS, any read gained at this stage is temporary, I have no idea if it's going to move into a full scum read or change into a town read. It being a very weak read means that I don't trust it. I'm sorry if me explaining the full level of a read thus far as confused you.

How do you see his preference for circles over triangles to be related to his alignment enough to be translated into any level of a read? Why did you avoid participating in RVS in your first post of the game?

My first post didn't need a vote, The only post that struck me as needing anything done was FUT's post, which from reading his posts elsewhere on the site (ongoings) told me was because he wasn't used this site's style of play. I didn't feel this was worthy a vote.

Basketballstar's reasoning of the preference for circles just confused me as there is no real angle in a circle, since there is only the one line. To put the analogy in complicatedness; he must be wanting all of us connected and be attacking each other while getting nowhere. If it were a triangle, there would most likely be three sides attacking each other for the advantage.
I believe that as town, being laid out as a triangle formation will serve us better.

As many people have said, how could you scum read from an RVS vote that was reasonable? Because you liked triangles better? I could go into a rant of how circles are better than triangles but this is not the place to do it, as you should not scum read from this little RVS vote. Just a summary.

So from the quote (bottom), please explain how the circle is a line. It's a 360 degree arc. There is no part you can cut from and transform it into a line. [sarc]And OMG, your analysis is so good that we all believe you now.[/sarc]

[basketballstar24]

CD, we now have three pages of content to work with. Do you have any reads that don't derive from geometric psychology?

There's slight scum tingles from pappums rat, FUT and Kublai Khan. Basketballstar24 still has the very weak scumread and no longer fully based on geometric psychology, but it's yet to increase in it's intensity.
and town vibes from you (which have nothing to do with your name), Paschendale, Idiotking and pieceofpecanpie.

Which idiot would think that a regular RVS vote would be considered scum? My preference is circles over triangle. Anyway, we shouldn't be concentrated on this geometry fight and just move on to finding scum.

FUT seems scummy for (as idiotking said) protecting Cheery Dog, maybe a scum pair.

and I still have BBS24 there because of his use of sarcasm in his second post, which hit me on the wrong foot.

Sarcasm totally means I'm mafia, doesn't it?

[basketballstar24]

Okay, I agree Nobody Special has not stepped into the scumhunt.

However, Cheery Dog is making assumptions that are way too smart to be to real, and most likely our best lynch for Day 1. Yes, let's let him claim because he's at L-1. Unless he's mafia or third party, he will claim.

[basketballstar24]

Oops RVS is over.

Unvote

I also think NobodySpecial is very inactive and is not contributing to the game.

@NobodySpecial, what do you think about Cheery Dog, FUT, and hellhound, and which one of them are the most scummiest to you?

And I'm going to read through again, my V/LA sucks.

[basketballstar24]

CD, what are your thoughts on Hellhound?

I also think NobodySpecial is very inactive and is not contributing to the game.

Do you think NS is scummy?

No, he is still null, didn't do anything terribly scummy. But his scummy traits are lurking and not contributing to the game. That deserves a lynch if we don't find anyone else that pops out and automatically says scum.

[basketballstar24]

Meh sorry for the late post but I am stranded in Hong Kong right now trying to fly back home. Sorry, I might not have wifi. Please excuse my absence.

[basketballstar24]

@Melmond, yes, I will post when I'm back.

@Khan, He sounds like a VT until day 3, where he has something to do at night. I seriously can't think of any roles that it might be. I think it is town though, if mafia or cult leader than he would have stuff to do at night.

Or maybe he is cult, not cult leader, but I don't know what he has to do on night 3.

[basketballstar24]

Okay. Hellhound got scummy at about page 5 or 6.

He doesn't seem so cautious, but extremely defensive, and accusing of others of being hypocrites.

NS hasn't posted content and he lurked, but he doesn't look so scummy (his posts). He's being calm and not extremely defensive, unlike Hellhound. On the other hand, Khan lurked too, he is now posting content. He shouldn't be lynched today.

Another problem is Lupo, which you guys are interrogating, but I don't know how he's being scummy. Can someone please tell me why he is scummy? Thanks. I'll go over his posts.

[basketballstar24]

@basketballstar The Lupo case is touched on by killerjester in #169 and #206, I make some points about Lupo in #170. From there you can backtrack through other posts and look at his ISO to make up your mind.

Thanks. I see how he is scummy. He waffled over L-1 vote, as killerjester had a good point: he changed his opinion on NS, avoiding many questions, and has not helped so much to town.

Either Hellhound or Lupo are good lynches. I think NS has played silently, but is, as I said, calm and patient. I still have a null read on NS.

I don't know who is scummier, though, but I'll vote Lupo because I don't want some mislynch here if someone hammers Hellhound cause he's at L-2.

Also, I think killerjester has been helping town a lot, and I give him a town read.

Vote: Lupo

[basketballstar24]

It's a mislynch because some person might not realize it's L-1 and vote for Hellhound, and if he is PR it's town's loss. That's my reasoning of a mislynch. I'm not saying I believe Hellhound is either town or PR, assuming that he is, and some idiot hammers him before he realizes Hellhound's at L-1, then town loses a PR.

[basketballstar24]

@Khan, what if he roleclaims PR?

@Melmond, look at my reasons.

[basketballstar24]

It's a mislynch because some person might not realize it's L-1 and vote for Hellhound, and if he is PR it's town's loss. That's my reasoning of a mislynch. I'm not saying I believe Hellhound is either town or PR, assuming that he is, and some idiot hammers him before he realizes Hellhound's at L-1, then town loses a PR.

So you're never going place someone up to L-1?

Well, unless I'm fairly certain myself that the player is scum. I guess there are no people here that will hammer without reasoning or realizing that a player is at L-1 (might not read votecount), but just being safe. Considering that this isn't a newbie game, I should've put Hellhound at L-1, but Lupo was also scummy.
And I do have a completed game, Micro Game 7.

[basketballstar24]

Meh I think Hellhound1 is trying to lurk now, since we got him into position. If he doesn't roleclaim or post a defense in a span of one day, I'll hammer him. Reasons: Lurking (trying to get us to lynch someone else), and no good defenses. Considering our deadline, he might as well be our lynch for Day 1.

[basketballstar24]

-_-

So we wait for a replacement.

@CheeryDog, How many times do I have to tell you my reasons?

[basketballstar24]

@pappumsrat, The replacement does not have Hellhound's personality, does he? We cannot lynch him while a replacement is searching because:
1. Hellhound has poor defenses, replacement might have strong ones.
2. We cannot judge a replacement by the last user that had his/her role.

[basketballstar24]

So go ahead say I'm scum for not posting and saying a few words. I remember back in the days when that was exactly what caught them.

And go ahead lynch me, it was good to do a duty to my town as a

vanilla townie

.

So HA-HA. Here's the bad part about being VT:

"Scum always claim Vanilla Townie, that just proves it."

So what am I supposed to say? Roleclaim PR? "Don't lynch me?"

No, you wouldn't believe me. This was fun while it lasted. Enjoy Lylo.

[basketballstar24]

So go ahead say I'm scum for not posting and saying a few words. I remember back in the days when that was exactly what caught them.
And go ahead lynch me, it was good to do a duty to my town as a vanilla townie.
So HA-HA. Here's the bad part about being VT:
"Scum always claim Vanilla Townie, that just proves it."
So what am I supposed to say? Roleclaim PR? "Don't lynch me?"
No, you wouldn't believe me. This was fun while it lasted. Enjoy Lylo.Infected!

What an abomination of a post. A good townie should never give up, and you're at fucking L-4.

Hmm? I'm not lynched? I thought those votes would bandwagon, so I put this bah post knowing that I would get lynched before I went on again. KK, here are my reads:

Melmond

: Null-Town, I can't really read through his post right now. However, his last posts seem like he's town.

Paschendale

: Wow. Latest post he just JUMPED onto killerjester. Before, he was silent, and he didn't really get involved and create a huge suspicion on one player, but then now killerjester. For that, Null. Explain why NOW you jump on killerjester when you said he started at Day 1.

Killerjester

: Null-Town, he sounds bold enough, probably VT. He does scumreads (though Paschendale thinks they're crap) and from Day 1, he was useful and supported. However, if Lupo got engaged with Hellhound's wagon and convinced that he was town, there is a chance (if you don't word it correctly and I think strongly) that it is a scum move, looking like you're protecting your partner. I believe that Lupo couldn't get a huge wagon on who he thought was scum (like what Cheery Dog said for me).

Lupo

:

So by me saying why each case was bad (a few times actually), I wasn't engaging?

Also, by me voting for someone else and stating why I wasn't starting a counter-wagon?

Also, me going against his case showed I had a town read on him. I didn't figure that the players would be so stupid to not understand that just because I don't exactly say "he's town."

Your argument is invalid. Try again.

The last sentence is what I would do if I was jester. I don't know about Lupo, though I think town since Hellhound turned out to be vig.

pappumsrat

: I don't see him doing reads, not involved from the last 16 or so pages. PR, third party, scum.

More coming later.

[basketballstar24]

Wow, NS. You seriously vote me for pressure?

Fine, if you guys say my reads are not useful I will not do scum reads. However, for that, NS is scummy for just joining my wagon.

Is NS at L-1?

[basketballstar24]

Is NS at L-1?

Yes, hammer him.

All right, I will.

Vote: NobodySpecial

[basketballstar24]

Wow, NS. You seriously vote me for pressure?

Fine, if you guys say my reads are not useful I will not do scum reads. However, for that, NS is scummy for just joining my wagon.

Is NS at L-1?

Scum reads are only useful if you give them out, you gave us 5 people you had reads on 4 of which were null/nulltown and I don't even know what you actually thought of pappums rat seeing as you gave 3 reasons.

So I can't say what I think the players are so far?

[basketballstar24]

EBWOP: Oh, I thought NS was at L-1. Was pecanpie just trolling?

[basketballstar24]

@CheeryDog, I said I would do that later. But I kind of gave up because you guys said my reads sucked

@triangle, sure. I voted him because mainly, because of his vote on me and his stupid post about giving me pressure. I also voted him because pecan told me to, though that wasn't as huge as that post.

[basketballstar24]

What alt? What's alt?

[basketballstar24]

@NS, I wouldn't be talking.

[basketballstar24]

So go ahead say I'm scum for not posting and saying a few words. I remember back in the days when that was exactly what caught them.
And go ahead lynch me, it was good to do a duty to my town as a vanilla townie.
So HA-HA. Here's the bad part about being VT:
"Scum always claim Vanilla Townie, that just proves it."
So what am I supposed to say? Roleclaim PR? "Don't lynch me?"
No, you wouldn't believe me. This was fun while it lasted. Enjoy Lylo.Infected!

What an abomination of a post. A good townie should never give up, and you're at fucking L-4.

Hmm? I'm not lynched? I thought those votes would bandwagon, so I put this bah post knowing that I would get lynched before I went on again. KK, here are my reads:

Melmond

: Null-Town, I can't really read through his post right now. However, his last posts seem like he's town.

Paschendale

: Wow. Latest post he just JUMPED onto killerjester. Before, he was silent, and he didn't really get involved and create a huge suspicion on one player, but then now killerjester. For that, Null. Explain why NOW you jump on killerjester when you said he started at Day 1.

Killerjester

: Null-Town, he sounds bold enough, probably VT. He does scumreads (though Paschendale thinks they're crap) and from Day 1, he was useful and supported. However, if Lupo got engaged with Hellhound's wagon and convinced that he was town, there is a chance (if you don't word it correctly and I think strongly) that it is a scum move, looking like you're protecting your partner. I believe that Lupo couldn't get a huge wagon on who he thought was scum (like what Cheery Dog said for me).

Lupo

:

So by me saying why each case was bad (a few times actually), I wasn't engaging?

Also, by me voting for someone else and stating why I wasn't starting a counter-wagon?

Also, me going against his case showed I had a town read on him. I didn't figure that the players would be so stupid to not understand that just because I don't exactly say "he's town."

Your argument is invalid. Try again.

The last sentence is what I would do if I was jester. I don't know about Lupo, though I think town since Hellhound turned out to be vig.

pappumsrat

: I don't see him doing reads, not involved from the last 16 or so pages. PR, third party, scum.

More coming later.

Last sentence, Cheery Dog.

Okay, I'll start doing my reads again, if you want to. I don't have too much time now, so I guess tomorrow?

[basketballstar24]

What alt? What's alt?

alt = alternate account

Your account is only just over a month old, yet you talk about "back in the day". So what other account names have you posted under?

I play at another site, artofproblemsolving.com. And yes I'm a little kid.

[basketballstar24]

And I'm pretty sure I explained why if you'd actually, you know,

read my posts.

Here's also why I voted you, NS. Cause most of your posts are fluff and do not explain why your votes follow your actions.

Yes, Kublai is right, NS is only posting when we tell him to.

[basketballstar24]

I told you, I thought he was L-1. pecanofpie told me he was at L-1 and he wasn't really doing anything throughout the game. Moreover, his last post totally urged me to hammer him.

[basketballstar24]

^
Ditto.
The last post by Lupo is pretty stupid, it's straight forward obvious that I didn't lynch NS because it's still Day. Not real analysis.

[basketballstar24]

Okay, a lynch for Lupo.

I bet he's scum.

[basketballstar24]

Why lynch Paschendale? Because he thought you were scum?

[basketballstar24]

K, because of D2's actions, I would see NobodySpecial as most scummy.

Vote: NobodySpecial

[basketballstar24]

@CheeryDog, That post was just a mere joke.

I actually thought Lupo was scum D1, more scummy that Hellhound, but after Hellhound flipped vig I thought he was null-town.

[basketballstar24]

Since Lupo and Hellhound were clearly buddying, it seemed like Lupo has a town read.

I was about to hammer Hellhound because the deadline was almost over, I was willing, they were both scummy.

[basketballstar24]

After looking at all the players, and thinking about the flips, I'm really thinking bbstar is scum.
1. He seemed overly cautious about putting Hellhound to L-1 and then really seemed to want permission to hammer, just seems overly cautious.
2. Of course there's his really weird VT claim he made earlier.
3. Then he finally gives some reads and then stops giving his analysis because he says that we criticize him over it . That doesn't seem good.
4. I've said before that I didn't think the NS "lynch" was a scumtell, but I'm not sure, it might be.
VOTE: Basketballstar24 at least for now.

1. When I was cautious of put Hellhound at L-1, it was because it wasn't even close to the deadline. When I asked for permission to hammer, it was close to deadline, we had to lynch someone to get info.
2. Well, I thought I was going to get lynched before I got on the next day since many people got onto my wagon.
3. So? What's the point of my reads if all you guys are going to do is make no use of it? I was trying my best, so I guessed that I wouldn't do reads anymore. Fine, I'll do a read soon.

[basketballstar24]

1. When I was cautious of put Hellhound at L-1, it was because it wasn't even close to the deadline. When I asked for permission to hammer, it was close to deadline, we had to lynch someone to get info.
2. Well, I thought I was going to get lynched before I got on the next day since many people got onto my wagon.
3. So? What's the point of my reads if all you guys are going to do is make no use of it? I was trying my best, so I guessed that I wouldn't do reads anymore. Fine, I'll do a read soon.

It was more because of being cautious of putting him to L-1, it just really seemed like you didn't want to have anything bad come back to you later.
They will always ask you to claim before they hammer. And you've already said you'd give reads in post 456, which was a while ago.

There was like a day left, and Hellhound was almost inactive. It was too late for a claim.

[basketballstar24]

@Melmond, But deadline was far away. Two different scenarios. Period.
Well, I thought it would be one of those quicklynches in which everyone thinks I'm scum.

@IAM, I feel that NS is still scummy for lurking and not posting a SINGLE read (not that I know of). All of his posts are defenses, and as KK (I think) stated, he only posts when we tell him to. I don't see anyone else as scum. Rest is null-town.

[basketballstar24]

Idiotking is just trying too hard. Most town, since they're confident of, you know,

beng town,

don't care much when cases are made against them, and instead focus on scumhunting of their own. IK is just spending all his time on defense.

Vote: Idiotking

What? So this is why IK is scummy? I'm confused here.

[basketballstar24]

I don't really get the case on IdiotKing. I see all of this content and defenses and it's all confusing.

I'll probably do reads tomorrow. Student free day

NS is still my priority, since of D2 and he hasn't done anything, as Melmond said.

[basketballstar24]

Here are my reads:

Killerjester: He seems like he is cooperating a lot to the game. I would say Town, maybe more specific as VT.

Melmond: I never really saw through him the first few pages, but now, like Paschendale's burst, he seemed to be jumping on me a lot. I don't get how that burst of spirit works. I feel like he is town, trying to help now, but in the first day he wasn't so useful as this. I say Null-Town.

NobodySpecial: Finally. One read he gives. Okay, I'm being a hypocrite...but seriously, he hasn't been much use, and he's supposed to be more experienced than me. If he's jumping on me because of gut, fine, I'll jump on him because of gut. I know he's very experienced, so please help more to the game instead of lurking. Mafia.

KublaiKhan: He seems pretty lurky right now, very actually. He wasn't so much help to town, but nothing really obvious popped out to me. But his lurking seriously stands out. Null-Mafia.

CheeryDog: Have you noticed that after N2, he automatically changed his vote to me, and now since IK claimed doc he automatically changed it to me again? Is there something that he has against me? A grudge? CheeryDog, please explain your hatred towards me. Otherwise, you've been okay. Null-Town.

triangle: She used to be active and helped some to the game, but now she's almost gone...I feel a sense of Null though.

IK: Doc, I believe him. Mainly because he put so much effort and time into that post and every one of his defenses, it makes me feel that he is town.

PoPP: I have no idea why he claimed miller on D1. Sorry if I missed your explanation. But I don't know about that claim, it might have been a joke or something else. Total WIFOM though. Null-Town.

I Am Innocent: His username totally provokes me to vote him, but that's not true. He's been helpful (I guess) but we can't really judge pappumsrat on IAI. I don't really know about him either. Null.

So far I have:

1 Mafia (NS)
1 Null-Mafia (KK)
2 Nulls
3 Null-Town (Melmond, CheeryDog, PoPP
2 Town (KJ, IK)

My vote stands, I really think NS is scum.

[basketballstar24]

@CheeryDog, let's assume that I am scum, on Lupo's wagon on D1, and proceeded with that vote, not mentioning hellhound. Why do I want to lynch him? How is that safe?

Again, Hellhound was at L-2, I didn't want to put him at L-1 that fast.

[basketballstar24]

Well, since my IK wagon has totally stalled,

unvote

Vote: I am Innocent

(which he likely isn't, IMO.)

Then why aren't you voting him?

You didn't want to lynch him, that's what the last bit of my post was referring towards.

and given the opportunity to switch back to hellhound in case they neared lynch point.

There's a huge difference in time. Before then, the deadline wasn't close. However, the deadline came closer so we had to lynch someone, and the "someone" was Hellhound since he had the most votes.

[basketballstar24]

I don't get how killerjester is scummy. I feel that he has been participating a lot and trying to do many reads.

I also don't get the IAI wagon...

I only get the triangle and NS wagon.

I'm still leaning toward NS though, but triangle is possible for me.

[basketballstar24]

NS, stop trying to wedge your way in making everyone believe I am scum instead of you. You won't achieve that.

Though my gut AND logic both say you are scum, it doesn't mean that you're going to be lynched immediately.

I don't believe Kublai is the best lynch. I know he's been lurking, but look at NS. He has experience and posting fluff this entire time. NS only posted when we told him to, and lurked the whole game. Thus, I believe NS is scum, but since everyone is going at Kublai, I guess you guys forgot about D1 and D2. But I get the reason in which you guys are voting him. He has been lurking D2 and D3, which is current (from now). NS lurked before, now he is pretty active, but you know what he's posting? FLUFF. Bandwagonning, and doing nothing. You guys say since Lupo flipped scum and NS was on his wagon that he seems more townish. That's not true. That's complete WIFOM. If you say the probability will be leaning towards NS being scum more, no, it doesn't. Equal probability.

I will be willing to be on the KublaiKhan wagon, because I get the reasons. But I'm still leaning for the NS lynch.

Vote: KublaiKhan

[basketballstar24]

Wow, IdiotKing falseclaimed. I don't know about all of the others, but I'm pretty positive that NS is scum.

First of all, he's been lurking.
Second of all, he's been posting fluff throughout the whole entire game.
Third of all, he only replies/posts when we tell him to, he could've lurked the entire game if we forgot about him.
Fourth of all, he never did one read and just keeps on saying that I'm scum all the time but doesn't even propose reasons.
Fifth of all, he has experience and doesn't apply it to this game FOR SOME REASON.

There's a real high possibility that NS is actually scum.

Vote: NS

[basketballstar24]

EBWOP: My second suggestion for scum is probably...Cheery Dog because he always gains up on me? But I only have one primary suspect.

[basketballstar24]

Is CES just scummy for being triangle's replacement?

Again, I don't think anyone should be called scummy for being someone who seemed scummy. I think they should be given a new clean sheet to work on.

@kj, explain why PoPP is scummy.

[basketballstar24]

Yay! I lynched scum.

Fifth of all, he has experience and doesn't apply it to this game FOR SOME REASON.

Question for Tomorrow: where did this come from, BBstar? This sounds like it's based on comments made in the scum QT.

Hmm? I know he has a lot of experience, and he has played a lot of games, and he's doing nothing this game. There's no relation.

[basketballstar24]

Lol, gg.

I was scum after all. I tried to trick you guys by not killing a cop because I knew I wasn't going to survive anyway.

Good game, all three scum appeared scummy the first day. We sucked.

I fail as scum

[basketballstar24]

Lol. @CheeryDog, night one we forgot to send a kill. The deadline was too early.

For N2, we killed Paschendale because I thought he was kind of acting weird. A huge burst on kj, not good. NS was also eager to kill him.

For N3 we killed IK because it was pretty obvious. We didn't know he would do a kind of gambit like this.

For N4, I tried to trick you guys into not killing a cop, since I knew I was going to be lynched the next day, after NS appeared scummy.

[basketballstar24]

@NS, I could only submit one, and Lupo wasn't cooperating. He was dead by D2.