Mini 1368 (Game Over)

[Melmond]

Why are you so intent on having everyone respond to that post?

[pieceofpecanpie]

Because he worked really really hard on it and no one's even said that they're going to put it up on the fridge door with magnets.

@Idiotking I'll re-read and get on that soon

[triangle123]

I didn't know who I would move the vote to. And I didn't think to unvote right away.

But even after the "hammer", you still stated that you'd be in favor of a BBS lynch.

But if NS flips scum, then Lupo is essentially cleared. Why waste today's lynch on Lupo when NS looks scummier and that flip will tell us about Lupo?

But if NS flips town, then we don't really have much of anything in the way of information (and not that much for NS flipping scum to begin with), and there still has yet to be a convincing argument that NS is scum as opposed to anti-town. From my understanding, his lurking is something he does both as town and as scum, and I'd rather see him replaced than lynched.

Lupo, thoughts on BBS' "hammer"? (I think I asked you this earlier but I didn't see you respond - sorry if you did and I missed it.)

[Idiotking]

Why are you so intent on having everyone respond to that post?

I asked the two people I called out. That's all. Why is it strange that I would want to talk to the people I'm accusing of being scum?

[Idiotking]

Well, and this.

Does anyone have a comment on my 486?

Still, I don't see why it's odd that I would want some sort of reaction to my reads. If I didn't want some sort of response then I wouldn't have bothered.

[Melmond]

But even after the "hammer", you still stated that you'd be in favor of a BBS lynch.

I wasn't sure what to think of it at first. Your post 461 is what led me to the conclusion that it might not be something scum would do.

[Cheery Dog]

Who are the scum on the Lupo wagon, aside from NS?

actually i don't know, I forgot that I'd reread some people and had placed them back where I had them near the end of day 1. (pappums rat and pecanpie), if I go back to where I last posted my reads (which I think are still true given my defence of Lupo), my olny suspect on that wagon besides NS is Idiotking, which I'm not even that sure about.

unvote, vote Cheery Dog

, I don't know what I'm doing, ergo I must be scum.
what a pity my role pm says I'm town which means that conclusion is also wrong.

and with my mind completely lost, I guess the best thing would probably be to give this;

Intent to hammer Lupo

blahblahclaimetc.

[killerjester]

Claim it up, Lupo.

[Nobody Special]

Will get to this over the weekend.

[Lupo]

Lupo, thoughts on BBS' "hammer"? (I think I asked you this earlier but I didn't see you respond - sorry if you did and I missed it.)

I remembered posting something about the hammer but I can't find it either. Anyways I think it's insane that him posting what he thought was a hammer vote on somebody didn't get him lynched.

And for a claim VT

[basketballstar24]

I told you, I thought he was L-1. pecanofpie told me he was at L-1 and he wasn't really doing anything throughout the game. Moreover, his last post totally urged me to hammer him.

[killerjester]

Lupo, before we lynch you who are the scum?

[pieceofpecanpie]

@Idiotking Alright, I've read through your #486 a couple of times and am happy to comment on it a bit. There are no questions directed at me there, so I suppose I'll give a bit of an overall view.

On the whole it's a well written and articulate story, given - and I'm sure you'd happily agree to this - your somewhat lax involvement thus far it's appreciated that you would go to a bit of effort on analysing a few players. As such it could be a valuable reference down the track. (This was my initial impression when I first read it and didn't feel obligated to share that)

Do I agree with your assertion that I'm scummy? No, of course not, but I can't see anything wrong with the way you've exercised your opinion and the research you've done.

The was one particular thing you said that I found very interesting:

In reading pecanpie I've come to notice a general shift in his play ever since the pressure on 246. Beforehand he was distant, bouncy, and acted positive. Ever since he's been very defensive and angry. This is more of a feeling having read all of his posts in ISO though, so take it with a grain of salt.

That's a very astute observation you've made there. I'd say it's quite accurate.

I never admitted it, but pappum's calls for a vig to kill me really affected my attitude to the game. I felt sapped of enthusiasm, I felt I was putting in effort and that it got thrown back in my face in a negative way. Stupid of me to take it so heavy, but I did and it took some time to adjust.

Also, I'm certainly not blaming pappum's for causing that. I'm confident it was completely unintentional. The flaws I found were in my own gameplay, one big one is making a post like #246 without reminding myself that there is no double jeopardy in mafiascum. Therefore, there's every chance that the validity of my claim can be brought up at any point, even if a majority of players agreed to what it said about my alignment previously, there's no reason that can't be questioned later and rightfully so. I hung my own noose by readdressing it, and instead of icing on the cake for my post it became a magnet of suspicion. Or it could also have been a significant opportunity for scum to discredit me. But those are pieces of another story to come later. Either way, I set that in motion and I've adjusted my gameplay since to ensure that people don't have to just trust that I'm saying things for the right reasons. Hopefully they can see that for themselves.

[Cheery Dog]

Lupo, thoughts on BBS' "hammer"? (I think I asked you this earlier but I didn't see you respond - sorry if you did and I missed it.)

I remembered posting something about the hammer but I can't find it either. Anyways I think it's insane that him posting what he thought was a hammer vote on somebody didn't get him lynched.

If you thought he should have been lynched for that, then why didn't you join his wagon?

[triangle123]

I remembered posting something about the hammer but I can't find it either. Anyways I think it's insane that him posting what he thought was a hammer vote on somebody didn't get him lynched.

Yeah, this post is another example of why I find Lupo scummy (stating it's insane without actually giving a read, etc.).

I would be okay with a Lupo hammer at this point.

[basketballstar24]

^
Ditto.
The last post by Lupo is pretty stupid, it's straight forward obvious that I didn't lynch NS because it's still Day. Not real analysis.

[killerjester]

Lupo, before we lynch you who are the scum?

Want this answered before the hammer.

Want NS to "get to this over the weekend" before the hammer.

But otherwise, I'm giving this lynch my greenlight as well.

[Melmond]

I'm fine with a lynch now too, on either. We still need a replacement for Pappums Rat though.

[killerjester]

I'm considering the weekend to be over. Although I understand the game is pretty slow, I expect players to keep their word. NS loses points in my book.

Lupo also seems MIA. Can't expect scum to play along I suppose.

This game seriously needs a night phase. Hammer it up.

[Paschendale]

I'm considering the weekend to be over. Although I understand the game is pretty slow, I expect players to keep their word.

NS loses points in my book

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Lupo also seems MIA. Can't expect scum to play along I suppose.

This game seriously needs a night phase. Hammer it up.

Enough points to change your vote? If not, then I'll hammer. I don't see the benefit in dragging this out.

[Lupo]

Sorry for not posting. If anything I'd say NS is scum and I already covered why I didnt change my vote to bbstar

Until I get an answer, my votes going back on
VOTE: NS

I'm back (sorry I miscounted a day of my vla) the "hammer" vote is mostly what jumps out at me in my quick reread.

However, seeing as I still do not have an answer, my vote will remain

[killerjester]

Not quite.

Hammer it up.

[Paschendale]

Fine, whatever. Maybe I'm wrong and we'll get lucky.

Unvote
Vote: Lupo

[basketballstar24]

Okay, a lynch for Lupo.

I bet he's scum.

[pieceofpecanpie]

And what happens now? No replacement and no deadline, but that's a lynch right?