Mafia 53: A Bit Out Of The Norm - Abandoned!

[Rathyr]

Vote: Bluemonic

FoS: Coron

Just to get a head start on the inevitable.

[Rathyr]

Way to go. I see you're getting into the swing of things too.

[Rathyr]

I am somewhat new at this, but isn't what you just did amazingly stupid?

[Rathyr]

(AKA pointless/unhelpful)

[Rathyr]

And why is that bad? I don't know MMoD

[Rathyr]

I don't know about that. Ubertimmy seems pretty smart; he voted bluemonic.

[Rathyr]

No, we don't.

Explain (*Cough*Excuse*Cough*), please.

[Rathyr]

Mod, I'm voting Bluemonic, not chaotic_diablo.

[Rathyr]

Unvote: Bluemonic

Vote: Frozen Atlantic

Your stop sign is too red.

[Rathyr]

unvote vote Rathyr

Too much flavor in your voice addressing the Mod.

Grammar is your friend.

You should have said, "I am voting Rathyr because I believe that his previous post was much too elaborate, which, to my eyes, is the mark of a goon."


:P

[Rathyr]

Unvote, vote cadre


Was I the only one who found his first

two

four posts off?

No.

[Rathyr]

Actually, I'm going to change my vote.

Unvote,

Vote: Cadre

IMO, every single one of his posts have been scummy.

[Rathyr]

Okay I'm gonna

vote: Rathyr

cause I found all his posts to be suspicious. Like he's got an anti-town role, but is having the hardest time trying to hide it. Like the uncomfort of knowing he's going to be a primary target is eating away at the back of his head, and he can't seem to keep it from buckling his voice...

This is all complete bull and has nothing to do with apologising.


I have a question for you.

What parts of which of my posts did you find suspicious, and why?

[Rathyr]

This is all complete bull and has nothing to do with apologising.


I have a question for you.

What parts of which of my posts did you find suspicious, and why?

I don't know, there was just an essence within them that led me to think you have something to hide. It' most likely not going to last very long, I just thought I'd vote to get in the game...

Fine, but IGMEOY.

Admitted lurking? Cmon man you have to hide it if you're going to lurk.

Unvote, Vote: Cadre

I think I have a different definition of lurk then you, I simply meant I was going to sit back and watch the game in order to stop looking like an ass...

lol, fowl manners :Razz:.

Voting me cause I felt it necessary to apologize for my absence is pretty damn dumb if you think about it. Someone has got to agree with me on this, how would you feel if I voted you for misspelling the word foul? It doesn't make sense in my book, think I'm scum for it if you want but it just doesn't...

He was joking about the way you spelled geez.

Geese are birds, thus, "fowl".

Unvote,

Vote: TheEyeOfMordor.

I hate players that do that, and I will be happy to see you die, if that is what is to happen.

[Rathyr]

Uh...Rathyr, what was the reasoning behind that vote hop? Cadre hasn't done anything to decrease my scummy feeling about him, and eye of mordor hasn't posted since you voted, so wth?

1. It's the beginning of day one.

2. I wanted to see if Cadre would say anything incriminating after I unvoted. You've just ruined the possibility of that.

3. I have two things that I do in Mafia, especially on day one.

3a. Lynch all lurkers.
3b. Vote all self voters.

[Rathyr]

So be prepared to contribute.

Or hang.

[Rathyr]

I heartily berate the cadre bandwagon.

Why? Are you his scumbuddy?

[Rathyr]

You have three votes. Out of sixteen. You are not about to be lynched.

I think you're over reacting.

[Rathyr]

Cadre, MY reason for voting you has nothing to do with your 'time to lurk' post, because if you'd read the thread, you'd see I voted for you far before it happened, but instead has to do with your first two posts, which were FAR too over defensive and wrong. My vote stays for now, because your 'woah is me people are voting for me for no reason shtick.' makes you look even scummier in my eyes, especially since there have been two legitimate points raised against you:

1) the overdefensiveness in post 1-2

2) the 'time to lurk' comment when you had recieved attention.

And now you've added

3) Refusing to respond with logic, and instead making random emotional 'woah is me' type posts.

I suggest you shape up your act, or you'll just continue to look scummier and scummier in my mind. kthxbi

This is my view as well.

It was your first two votes that tipped me off.

And no, that;'s not an OMGUS.

[Rathyr]

Here are all of Cadre's posts.

Oh crap, I thought this would be in Theme Park cause it wasn't standard rules. Dudes I am so sorry, Let me go read some stuff and get in the game.

Confirmed

I don't know what the hell he was thinking.

Okay I'm gonna

vote: Rathyr

cause I found all his posts to be suspicious. Like he's got an anti-town role, but is having the hardest time trying to hide it. Like the uncomfort of knowing he's going to be a primary target is eating away at the back of his head, and he can't seem to keep it from buckling his voice...

This is complete BS, IMO, a goon spinning his webs.

Which avatar CDB?

Jargon. Scum often resort to jargon to

a. Keep from bing named lurkers.

b. Hide the fact that as they already know who the scum are, don't have to analyze people's posts and do not have anything to say.

Of course they were off, I felt incredibly stupid that I hadn't realised that the game was up yet...

And now I feel stupider for not realising that he was addressing the mod. Haha, I need to lurk for a bit...

Sorry for having manners, geese. Last time I apologize I swear...

This is all complete bull and has nothing to do with apologising.


I have a question for you.

What parts of which of my posts did you find suspicious, and why?

I don't know, there was just an essence within them that led me to think you have something to hide. It' most likely not going to last very long, I just thought I'd vote to get in the game...

Admitted lurking? Cmon man you have to hide it if you're going to lurk.

Unvote, Vote: Cadre

I think I have a different definition of lurk then you, I simply meant I was going to sit back and watch the game in order to stop looking like an ass...

lol, fowl manners :Razz:.

Voting me cause I felt it necessary to apologize for my absence is pretty damn dumb if you think about it. Someone has got to agree with me on this, how would you feel if I voted you for misspelling the word foul? It doesn't make sense in my book, think I'm scum for it if you want but it just doesn't...

BS jargon that contributes nothing. Searching for scum is obviously not his top priority.

[q]He was joking about the way you spelled geez.

Geese are birds, thus, "fowl". [/q]

oh, cool. :D

Jargon.

Why would I say anything incriminating? I don't even know why you guys voted me to begin with. Seriously, all I did was make a hunch vote. It's day one, my second post, who wouldn't I make a hunch vote?

This post in contradictory. He complains about being voted (A little too vehemently I think.) them tries to defend his own vote, which has much less reason behind it.

No, I've never heard of Misetings.

I'm sorry, I didn't know lurking was such a horrible tactic here. But I don't lurk to stay under the radar, I lurk because I try to moderate how much I post. I tend to talk to much, so lurking is the only way to prevent myself from doing such.

I guess I'll now have to moderate how much I lurk as well...

Guys, again, am I the only one who thinks 143 is too many posts for cadre to pull the 'DON'T LYNCH ME I'M A N00B!' card? Happy with my vote for now.

I never said that, I just said it hadn't come up. I've only played three games here on MS, one of them was a full theme hence the vast amount of posts. The other two I didn't make it passed day one, so as you can see there wasn't much time for this lurking law to come to my attention.

Note: This is Cadre saying he is not pulling the noob card whilst waving it in our faces.

You think I'd state that I'd go lurking if I knew that it wasn't an acceptable play style? You think I would purposely buy myself a one way ticket to the noose? There is no valid reason for me to have done what I did had I known what I know now...

WIFOM

*mumbles incoherently*

I wish people would stop lynching me for no viable reason...

He is over defensive here.



I'd like to point out to everyone that his only posts that have been contributory have been his over excited defences.

[Rathyr]

What? Do you really think everyone would have seen my point if I only provided reference number?

And your post was much less helpful and game related than mine. Next time you decide to open your mouth why don't you say something constructive.

And even if you did not like me so obviously pointing out Cadre's shortcomings, my points are still quite valid.

Your pseudo defence of Cadre is noted.

[Rathyr]

Be careful though, the last thing we want is a quick lynch.

Make sure Cadre claims before being lynched, if that is what is to be.

[Rathyr]

Oops, simulpost.

That was aimed at Bogre.

Yosarian: Put "Unhelpful space filler" where ever I said "Jargon". Unhelpful space filler is most definately the mark of scum, for reasons which I have outlined.

[Rathyr]

I just had a thought.

What if Cadre has some really weird role, as I'm sure everyone in this weird game does, that is causing him to look odd?

[Rathyr]

rathyr, the roles are listed.

quit acting outright stupid.

Yeah, what if he is the Flying Pumpkin or something and it is getting to him?

[Rathyr]

BTW, I

am

pushing for a Cadre lynch.

He rubs me the wrong way.

If you are convinced that the "flying Pumpkin" idea is wrong, than I believe he is scum.

[Rathyr]

IMO, on day one, pressuring those who act strangely is a smart thing to do.

It's not like if I pressure him too hard 15 votes will suddenly pop out of thin air and quicklynch him.

[Rathyr]

Yeah, I can.

You idiots!

Thanks for convincing Cadre he has nothing to worry about!

By saying I was going to "lynch him", I was putting the fear of god in him, but now he can just ignore me.

We seem to have very different ways of scum hunting.

[Rathyr]

Oh yay.
This ought to be fun.
You're voting me because I called you idiots?

On day one scum aren't just going to fall into your lap you know, you have to hunt them out.

My technique works especcially well with beginner players on day one, you convince them you've already got the noose around their heads and they sing like birds.

Voting someone because he insulted you for blindly ruining his scum hunting plan is about as stupid as you can get.


Insults=/=scum.

Show me the wiki page where it says they are.


Mark my words, there are scum on my wagon.

[Rathyr]

OK OK.

I guess I ought to claim now, since roles in this game are so important.

I'm the "Nexus". Pro-town, every time I get night targeted, the target is randomly re-chosen.

Here is why I think you should not lynch me based on my claim:

1. I'm going to go with the "Let me live but investigate me tonight" noobie argument, but a little differently this time. I say, don't lynch me, but instead, one of you with a (Preferably non-lethal) night ability should target me tonight.

This will prove my innocence because the ability will be redirected to someone else.

2. Now, the experienced players here will know that the standard "Investigate me" argument is fundamentally flawed, because

a. It wastes a cop investigation when you could just lynch the guy to discover his alignment.

and

b. Even if he does turn out to be innocent, that doesn't help the town very much and the scum have a perfect target for the next night.


However, with my role, both of these problems are eliminated, thus:

a. Who ever investigates me or whatever will not have wasted his ability, as my nexus power will redirect it to someone else, simultaneously proving my innocence

and

doing whatever their ability does to someone else. Two birds with one stone, as they say.

and

b. When I am a proven innocent, I will be an amazing boon to the town. A proven townie who

cannot be night killed.

That's right. I cannot be night killed. There are two reasons for this. 1, any attempt to kill me will be randomly redirected, admittedly it could possibly redirect to me, but the chances of that are small, and that problem is covered by 2, no scum will try to kill me because the chance that his kill power would be redirected to him or one of his scum buddies is higher than the chance that it would redirect to me. Any scum that targets me will run the risk of getting killed by himself.

After I have been proven innocent, I will be a great help to the town as a near-immortal, untainted townie.



OK? Think about it for a bit; before you kill off a great boon to the town.

The scum in this game are exceptionally powerful, but then, so are we. I'd guess that everyone in this game has a power.

[Rathyr]

I'm like -5 to lynch.

Pay attention.


Now, ask yourself this:

Why do people in most games refrain from claiming early? Here's why:

1. Often they are just a townie, and have no way of proving their innocence.

2. Even if they have a special role and manage to prove it, that only makes them the next nights scum vicitm.


However, since my role is both easily provable and completely scum-resistant, I can claim whenever I want, and nothing bad will happen to me.

Understand?

[Rathyr]

Goo. Yes, that is a bit of a problem, isn't it?

But what is wrong with goo? I would happily join the goo if I had a targeting ability. Even if I

was

the goo, whoever targeted me would still be in the game and would have a chance of winning. The goo is neutral*, it doesn't kill people.

However, that is beside the point, as I am the Nexus, although you will not know that for a fact until day two.



* I belive it is a cult, AKA, on it's own side. As such, it does not kill, except those who have no targeting ability, like myself. I am in danger from the goo. Oh well.

[Rathyr]

Oh, and also, no one should use a lethal ability on me tonight if they can help it. You shouldn't play with bombs.

[Rathyr]

A cop would know, because he would get an investigation result.

Also, how many cops or docs do you think are in this crazy game?

FoS: CTD

for wanting to, most likely, cause the death of a townie; backed up by craplogic.

[Rathyr]

OK, I see your point.

Mod? Will a cop with a redirected ability be aware of the redirection?

[Rathyr]

@TS: Once you test me you will understand. You have to realize that this game is nothing like vanilla games. You should just drop all of your assumptions and what not about what role does what, because those assumptions and

rules

, if you will, do not apply here, for the most part. Also, if I were scum, I wouldn't be able to prove my role very well, now would I?


@Fuldu: Like I said, goo is a problem. If you really think I am goo then just designate a single player to test me in a fashion that is obvious to the whole game whether it worked or not.

That is the best option for goo-paranoia.

[Rathyr]

Because if it turns out that the power didn't work, you will have both of the goos in your grip and you will be able to easily destroy them

[Rathyr]

If you really think I am goo then just designate a single player to test me in a fashion that is

obvious to the whole game whether it worked or not.

Hello!

[Rathyr]

I have to agree.

Eon, what were you thinking?

[Rathyr]

If anyone wants to own up to that odd occorance, be my guest. I'm going to look through the possible roles and see what might have happened.

[Rathyr]

Damn. So many possibilities. I'm still hoping for somesort of claim, otherwise I may vote Hezlucky. I'm a little suspicious of people who return from the dead.

[Rathyr]

Also, if anyone has a protown dayvig role, you could try to dayvig me, after claiming, and that would prove a lot of things, as the bus driver for example only works at night. Also, if your power failed, we would know if I am the goo or not.

[Rathyr]

Gonna claim, or something?

Please?

[Rathyr]

I'm not sure about Rathyr's claim - I feel like he may have, as scum, looked at the list to find a claim that would effectively try and make people a) not target him,

Why shouldn't they?

b) not believe any results (cop got guilty on rathyr, welp, probably random.)

Didn't the mod say that the cop would be told if his target was changed?

There are ways to effectively test him, but they take two nights and cost us two cop investigations. I'm not really sure what we should do.

Pay attention?

[Rathyr]

Yeah, I wonder too. Mod?

[Rathyr]

Personally, I am lothe to go on until I know what that hezlucky thing was.

[Rathyr]

Hey, you're being too agressive by quoting all his posts this early!!!1one

I guess I'll have to lynch you now.

[Rathyr]

Lynch i know you have this chance now soo why not to use it right Rathyr?
Seriously his posts were kinda pointless but you know people i also hold for nothing at this moment. I just pointed at something interesting? How am i agressive by quoting someones posts? I can quote all your posts if you want Rathyr =]

Have you been reading the thread??

Also,

please

try to write your English a little better. Many of your posts are confusing to me.

[Rathyr]

The only

foolproof

test I can think of is if someone dayvigged me. For all I know, someone already tried just that.

Hezlucky: If you don't explain a few things I'm going to vote you.

[Rathyr]

So basically, the only thing the other townies have to worry about is Black Goo.

[Rathyr]

Rathyr, there are more protown resurrection roles that antitown resurrection roles. And most of the nonprotown resurrection roles are going to be neutral, so we don't have to worry about Hez right now.

I still want a claim or something because it might help clear me.

I'd like a claim (or something) from whoever trid to kill me or Hez.

Rathyr by far is the most scummy looking imo...

Why??

but at worst he's neutral or a cult, so i'm fine w/ leaving him alone for now.

Oh, so now I'm scummy, neutral,

and

cultist? how about townie? Is that so hard to believe?

We might actually be able to use him to test other peoples claims and his own later on (say someone claims rber or w/e, we can get him to target Rathyr and see what happens).

Very true.

[Rathyr]

Eon looks scummier by the minute.

How many votes is he at?

[Rathyr]

OK, not that many.

Unvote,

Vote: Eon

[Rathyr]

Hezlucky: If you don't explain a few things I'm going to vote you.

wysiwyg

Your fishing is noted, though you've already claimed so I'm looking elsewhere at the moment.

What is fishing?? People in games I'm in keep accusing me of it, but no one will tell me what it is!

My main thought on the nexus claim is that it is a very very strong role to have in the game, and so it is possible -- I have no especial reason to assume this, but it must be conceded as a possibility -- that scum looked through the role list for soething that was unlikely to be in the game at all, relying on that for a fakeclaim. The testability is a fair enough point in his favor, though. The goo possibility didn't even occur to me until I read it in-thread, but I think Rathyr handled it very badly. Arguing that it's to the town's advantage to let the cult win=teh st00p1d.

That is not my argument. :roll:

I am saying that there are only two ways to test me if you think I'm black goo, a dayvig or a claim-sacrifice.

That is all.

I think Eon has been almost too blatant in his protection of Rathyr.

QFT

Not quite sure what to make of it in respect to our friendly neighborhood scum goo nexus, but I'm happy with my vote.

Scum is not a possibilty.

[Rathyr]

Uh oh.

Hello SL.

I have a few questions for the unpolluted mind.

1. How do Klebian's posts stike you as scummy?

2. What do

you

think of my claim and related claim-tests?

[Rathyr]

1. I see. I agree.

2. lol, sorry.

[Rathyr]

Wow. Lots of new posts since I looked here last.

I must say, ATM I am very happy with my vote.

[Rathyr]

People lets test my version on this if he is going to be townie, you can lynch me next turn.

"ROTFL"

As they say.

[Rathyr]

I have a few presents to hand out in light of recent posts.

FoS: Eon, Cadre, FA

[Rathyr]

I also have some personal questions for Eon.

1. Is English your first language?

2. Are you an adult?

3. Is this some kind of joke?

4. What is the meaning of life?

5. Ketchup or mustard?

6. Pepsi or Coke?

[Rathyr]

Good. I am glad that you answered question No. 1 in the fasion that you did, otherwise I was faced with doubt concerning your mental health.


I am most definately going to keep my vote on you now that you cannot plead insane in the Townieship of Scummyville Municipal Court.

[Rathyr]

Thestatusquo i really hope cop checks you at night =]

Now, this makes me wonder. If I havn't misinterpreted this, does this mean that Eon+TSQ=scumbuddies?

[Rathyr]

If they are, then TSQ is probably the Godfather (or whatever scum role is investigation immune).

Actually, I was thinking that Eon might be a newbie scum who is mad at TSQ for busing him and wants him to die or something.

Also, pepsi = scum, Dr. Pepper FTW.

I hear you on that! Dr. Pepper is better than both Pepsi

and

Coke!

[Rathyr]

Oh well. I'm rwady to lynch Eon. He is obviously not going to defend himself in an intelligent fasion.

[Rathyr]

(I'll bet most people in this game are older than me.)


Let us now offer up a prayer and a sacrifice to the Most Gracious and Powerful Mod so that He may see fit to indulge us imperfect mortals with a sample of His Most Wondrous Power; in the form of a vote count.

[Rathyr]

How about noob?

(I know you asked Yos)

I don't know if Eon is scum or not, but it definately looks that way, doesn't it?

I mean, my vote's on him.

[Rathyr]

Exactly.

[Rathyr]

IMO, it looks more like he doesn't want to deal with the situation anymore. As a result, he's trying t run away.

I'm going to keep my vote on Rathry, not that it's going to make a difference...

1. Why?

2. Why 2x if you think it won't make a difference?

[Rathyr]

2. I don't believe your claim. Simple as that.

So you think

1. I am fool.
1a. A town fool.
2a. A scum fool.

2. I am black goo.


Is this correct?

If so, what are your reasons for not believing me?

Because you've never been in a game like this and my role claim is playing hell with your head?

Please expound.

[Rathyr]

NOTE: Where it says "2a" it means "1b".

[Rathyr]

Eon, don't replace.

If you're town, stand and fight. You clearly need the practice.

If you're scum, you're not doing your scumpartners any favors by quitting.

Either way, you drop cat poop on the game by quitting. Don't let people get to you--their job is to pressure you and see how you react. If you're town you should appreciate that pressure because it's good for us all.

Listen im getting attacked here because of my english and problems people have to understand it.Also people begin to call me stupid i really want to hear why. I really have nothing to hide at this case, And you might be right MBL...

Wrong, actually. I'm voting you for your crazy posts. There is no reason to post things that mean little more than "If he's not lying he's not lying."

Fine people if you think im scum, vote... replacement, well person who will replace me will be in same situation as i am.

That is one of the reasons you shouldn't replace.


Note: I only asked about your English because I was wondering if you were very young or otherwise incapable of playing this game in an intelligent manner.

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Yes, the role is playing hell with my mind. That's why I don't believe it.

That is not a valid reason. It's akin to killing all people who are left handed because you don't understand how they can be that way.

It's become more of a role that has so many possiblities that it basiclly makes you immune from attack.

I know. Isn't it amazing? I don't think the mod really knew what he was creating when he designed this role.

Lynching you is questionable

Only a fool would lynch me.

, testing you is questionable

True, but somewhat neccesary.

. In addition, I feel that the majority of votes going on are opportunistic rather than by scum feel. That's why I don't believe it.

On... On what?

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It occurs to me that whether he is a nexus or a goo (or scum, for that matter, if there's only one killing group) Rathyr cannot be killed at night.

Allow me to say, w00t! Nexus FTW!

As such I now think it in our best interests to leave him unlynched for now.

Damn right.

Later when we have a better sense of just what we're dealing with, we can always lynch him then.

Why is everyone so eager to lynch me? Is it so hard to believe my claim? I guess when I get tested this will get cleared up, but damn, it's annoying.

Essentially he is an available mark-time lynch, which could prove useful later if we don't spend it too soon.

Excuse me? Did I missread this, or are you setting up lynches?
If I read this correctly, this almost looks like a "comunication."

In the meantime, I recommend that cops, docs, etc. NOT target Rathyr: if he is goo, we need to keep our power roles, and one isolated goo can do us no harm as long as we

keep

him isolated;

Yeah, thanks for your support. :roll:

if scum, soon or late he'll be outed, and he is forever and always at risk of being lynched on general principles;

Not so. Only a fool or scum would lynch me.

if he's a nexus there is no harm done, but our cops and especially our docs are better employed elsewhere.

You sound like scum to me.

FoS: TSS

You're trying to take away the benifits that my role will provide to the town.

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I am willing to claim at this point to confirm rathyr tonight if wanted.

It's your head.

But thanks.

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Except, now that you said that, it's theoretically possible that a mafia re-directer could mess with you, and make you think Rathyr's teling the truth if he's scum;

True. It is

possible.

and it's somewhat more likely likely that a scum will at least try to kill you tonight to cause confusion.

True, I guess.

(Unless he himself is scum.)

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[Rathyr]

I hate you.

[Rathyr]

after posts like that, why is rathyr still alive?

BTW, I contribute much more to this game than you.

*Sticks out tongue*

[Rathyr]

I've contributed my awsome role, whereas you have contributed spam.

I will not engage in this pointless arguement any longer.

[Rathyr]

Once again, I'm really sorry for not keeping up with this game. I'm going to force myself to plough through the 16 pages and post an extensive opinion post, and if I am still not able to participate as I should, I'll ask to be replaced.

I can't wait.

(For your post)

[Rathyr]

:badspamming:

youre trying to paint me as a spammah when youve done nothing but quote people and give one liners that hardley analyze, more like try to insult.

can we please lynch this joker.

vote:rathyr

W

T

F

[Rathyr]

Is this some kind of crazy pressure trick, or are your really six years old?

Play the game for God's sake.

[Rathyr]

Have you even been reading the thread?

Why do you think I'm scum?

Even if I

were

scum, I would have to be

1. Amazingly stupid.

2. Allied with a scum busser.

[Rathyr]

Wait, I thought the plan was:

Leave him for now, and

test

him later.

[Rathyr]

How many votes 'til he dies now?

[Rathyr]

Why is this dude still alive?

[Rathyr]

You know, I'm still convinced that Cadre is not as townie as he may seem to others.

[Rathyr]

Well, my original reason was really nothing more than a bad feeling. He just pinged my scumdar for some reason.

[Rathyr]

Excuse me? Did I missread this, or are you setting up lynches?

I think you misread it. I was saying that if, later in the game, we find ourselves in position where it is to our advantage to make the scum commit themselves before we do, you will be available (assuming you haven't already been confirmed or such like) as: (1) a possible scum role (2) who has until then been quarantined and harmless, and therefore (3) a good choice of sacrifice for the town. There may ell never be call for such a thng. Besides, now is not later in the game, and the last thing we want to use our lynches on now is playing a waiting game with the scum.

OK. I see.

Although I don't plan on being quarantined, as I am not scum. I will take an active part in this game.

You're trying to take away the benifits that my role will provide to the town.

You want doc protection? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY?

Please point me to where I said that.

Cop who chooses his targets>Cop whose targets are chosen randomly.

Am I not most worthy of a cop investigation? Tell me why I am not.

The benefits your role provides to the town are not what it does to the pro-town roles targeting it. The benefits your role provides to the town are what it does to the

scum

who can't kill you.

Yes, but I also provide a help in the end game and throughout the game as my oppinions will be proven to be untainted by scummy motives.

And I believe the risks of losing a power role early (and spreading goo to who knows how many others who even though they avoid targeting

you

have the misfortune of targeting your other victims, and theirs, ad infinitum) far outweigh the gains of confirming

you

,

I believe Klebian has offered a solution to this problem.

especially when no one should be considering lynching you now anyway.

You're right, the

shouldn't

be.

Salt is not so expensive that we can't take your opinions with a grain of it.

Until I a proven innocent, something which you seem to fear.

Is it so hard to believe my claim?

When you are confirmed, I will trust you absolutely.

And you seem dead set against that eventuality.

Until then... I won't. That doesn't mean I will

mis

trust you absolutely -- I already trust you conditionally -- but what is lost by hedging my bets?

Cadre:
...
So it

was

you and not Rathyr that Eon was covering for. I'm already voting Eon, or I'd vote you for that argument. It makes no sense that dropping a poker face would affect a player's spelling and grammar skills. And even a casual glance at Eon's posts shows that the charge itself is untrue: he's been posting with poor grammar all along. (That's not a strike against him, since English is not his first language; my point is that it's ridiculous to call him on inconsistency where he has in fact been *consistent*.)

FOS Cadre

Rosso, you will just have to suffer. I'm not going to trim this post down just for your tiny attention span.

[Rathyr]

"Too scummy to be scum"? Yeah right. I know several people here hate the wiki, but that sort of reasoning is covered in it.


Saying "He is too scummy to be scum" or "Too town to be town" is like saying "That frog looks too froggy to be a real frog."

It just doesn't make sense.

You are right that Eon looks odd, but I think he looks scummy-odd, not townie-odd.

For one, he can't be townie odd because he claimed vannila townie, a role that I doubt is even in the game.


I am very happy with my vote.

[Rathyr]

Oops. I didn't realize "Townie" was a possible role.

So you're saying you think Eon is a vanilla townie?

If so, you suedo defence of Eon is noted.


Also, why do you think it more likely that you bandwagoned scum? Because you have a truck load of presumptions carried over from vanilla games that you cannot get rid of?
It shouldn't matter what you think, because I will soon be tested.


Klebian: What is your plan about claiming/etc? We should get this sorted out before night to avoid any unfortunate accidents.

[Rathyr]

Your post here has contributed nothing.

Are you beginning to understand?

[Rathyr]

The likelihood of hitting the Nexus with our very first claim is not as high as the likelihood of hitting scum who want to claim Nexus.

I hate to break it to you, but that is completely wrong. Anyone who has the "Nexus" role should immediately claim. Immediately. I claimed late only because I hadn't completely realized what my role could do.

you're pushing for another player to claim in order to clear you, which isn't usually a good plan Day One, and I find that I have little reason to trust you.

Hey.

Guess what?

You just used the word "usually", which has absolutely no meaning in this game. Proving my role should be one of the top priorities of the town, because even if it is proven that I am scum, it is still good, because you can then lynch me.

[Rathyr]

can we please lynch rathyr on hypocrisy.

what'd he claim anyway?

Can we please lynch rosso on stupidity.

:roll:



Why isn't Eon dead yet?? Are we waiting for a replacement? I don't see what problems a replacement would solve.

[Rathyr]

I hate to break it to you, but that is completely wrong. Anyone who has the "Nexus" role should immediately claim. Immediately. I claimed late only because I hadn't completely realized what my role could do.

Any game with such a role is poorly designed, but as it happens I disagree with you on the suggestion that you should have claimed immediately, assuming you're telling the truth. Scum might have tried to target you if you hadn't claimed, with the possible outcome of killing one of their own, certainly with the outcome of confusing them. As it is, scum can ignore you and treat you like a not-quite confirmed vanilla townie, leaving you alone until endgame when they have enough of a majority to lynch you.

You seem to have forgotten that I am not immune from lynches. And my not claiming wouldn't have helped the town very much, now would it?

Unvote: Eon

Vote: TSS

Eon might be scum, I think he probably is, but I

really

don't like the way you seem to be judging actions from a "scum" standpoint (AKA only your, or whoever's actions you are judging, life matters.) as opposed to a "town" standpoint. (AKA the individual's life is not more important than the lives and overall wellbeing of the town.)

[/quote]Or, put another way, if there isn't any danger of a night kill (which there isn't, at least not a serious one), then there's no reason in the world to claim until you're threatened with lynch.[/quote]

Which I was, but as I said, it is the town that matters, not me. Something you don't seem to understand.

Your power is passive, so nobody needs to know about it for it to be of value to the town.

Yes they do, because otherwise they might lynch me and take away any advantage I might have givin them.

So unless you have such a high opinion of yourself that you feel that the knowledge that you're providing unbiased thoughts is pure gold (something I also disagree with, frankly, since I don't expect to wholly trust you even if klebian does something and it works out the way he expects, and also because the majority of your thoughts haven't been worth much), I remain unenthusiastic.

[Rathyr]

Oops. Oh damn.

Sorry TSS, I thought that was your post.

unvote,

Vote: Eon.

[Rathyr]

There's one thing I'd like him to explain though, and that is his post #256 (after Yos asked the mod what win condition a neutral Nexus would have). Smashy brought it up before, but you neglected to answer, so here it is again:

Yeah, I wonder too. Mod?

Surely you know your own (supposedly town) win condition and there is no reason to believe that there is

another

Nexus around, so why the curiosity? This struck me as odd from someone who seemed otherwise very informed about his claimed role.

1. I do not know the win condition of a neutral nexus, as I am a town nexus.

2. I asked about the win condition because the mod didn't answer Smashy.

3. I care about knowing what the win condition is because I will obviously need to prove that I am not a neutral nexus.

[Rathyr]

This post is pretty much pure OMGUS.

Heh you did analyse things.
Im slowly begin to think, Rathyr, he told he is Nexus, role which can only be Neutral or Town. And after he posted that I believed him, but then people began to point fingers at me and Rathyr jumped on that right away. But people dont you think that he could... lie about his role. Nexus cant be Mafia and by telling that he got attention off himself. I want to remember past

Rathyr did you forget moment when you were -5 to lynch? Do you remember why? I will remind you because people thought you are scummy and finaly when people found NEW suspect [ME]. After people began to vote against me you joined them and your reason to vote against me was "My stupidity" Since moment you voted against me i see my name in every POST YOU DO . "Why is he alive", "Lets Lynch him finaly".

OK OK.

I guess I ought to claim now, since roles in this game are so important.

I'm the "Nexus". Pro-town, every time I get night targeted, the target is randomly re-chosen.

Here is why I think you should not lynch me based on my claim:

1. I'm going to go with the "Let me live but investigate me tonight" noobie argument, but a little differently this time. I say, don't lynch me, but instead, one of you with a (Preferably non-lethal) night ability should target me tonight.

This will prove my innocence because the ability will be redirected to someone else.

2. Now, the experienced players here will know that the standard "Investigate me" argument is fundamentally flawed, because

a. It wastes a cop investigation when you could just lynch the guy to discover his alignment.

and

b. Even if he does turn out to be innocent, that doesn't help the town very much and the scum have a perfect target for the next night.


However, with my role, both of these problems are eliminated, thus:

a. Who ever investigates me or whatever will not have wasted his ability, as my nexus power will redirect it to someone else, simultaneously proving my innocence

and

doing whatever their ability does to someone else. Two birds with one stone, as they say.

and

b. When I am a proven innocent, I will be an amazing boon to the town. A proven townie who

cannot be night killed.

That's right. I cannot be night killed. There are two reasons for this. 1, any attempt to kill me will be randomly redirected, admittedly it could possibly redirect to me, but the chances of that are small, and that problem is covered by 2, no scum will try to kill me because the chance that his kill power would be redirected to him or one of his scum buddies is higher than the chance that it would redirect to me. Any scum that targets me will run the risk of getting killed by himself.

After I have been proven innocent, I will be a great help to the town as a near-immortal, untainted townie.



OK? Think about it for a bit; before you kill off a great boon to the town.

The scum in this game are exceptionally powerful

, but then, so are we. I'd guess that everyone in this game has a power.

By telling your role, and reasons "WHY IS KEEPING YOU" good idea people decided to unvote you. Of course, since you told how helpful will you be in this game if you wont get lynched,but as TheStatusQuo told there could be many mafia roles that could fix that.
You say IF COP CHECKS YOU THAT WILL BE WASTE OF TURN

It wastes a cop investigation when you could just lynch the guy to discover his alignment

But then you say

When I am a proven innocent, I will be an amazing boon to the town. A proven townie who

cannot be night killed.

That's right.

So you tell cop not to check you because it wastes turn and then you say when you are proven innocent. And how will you be proven innocent?

And i remember someone told "Eon says TSQ and Rathyr are connected"...umm i re read everything and in start they did attack each other. Soo they cant be connected of course if it wasnt theater.

[Rathyr]

Yos: Why don't we just ask the mod?

Mod: What are the win conditions for a "neutral nexus"?

[Rathyr]

He might be a noob townie?

But still, I'll be glad to be rid of him.

[Rathyr]

How is this more "excited" about lynching Eon

He might be a noob townie?

But still, I'll be glad to be rid of him.

Than this?

Seriously. Is there any reason NOT to vote Eon?

Also, you seem to have missed the fact that this

He might be a noob townie?

was a reply to this.

Seriously. Is there any reason NOT to vote Eon?

I do not believe that Eon is pro-town.

However, I make no secret that even if he turns out to be pro-town, I will not be too sad. Players like Eon can single handedly lose the game for the town, especially in the endgame.

Aside from "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars", I say "lynch all idiots".



TS, you seem rather scummy to me, because you seem to be looking for scumtells that aren't there and you are stupid enough to vote a claimed nexus, which is a distinctly anti-town thing to do.

Why didn't you attack TSQ? Because he isn't a soon-to-be-proven pro-town player? I think you came after me because I will soon be a "bullseye" to use scumspeak.

[Rathyr]

Aside from "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars", I say "lynch all idiots".

Especially scummy idiots on day one.



Either you're defending Eon or you're not, make up your mind.

[Rathyr]

...

Indeed Mr. Nexus i would like to remind you past, remember the time when you got so many votes, you even claimed your role back then. You know why were you voted? Because you ACTED SCUMMY, unfortunately by telling that role, people began to search new suspect. And my STUPIDITY got me all votes i have now.

What's your point?

Not everyone is as lucky as I was.

[Rathyr]

Note: Fairness is not really a part of this game, so leave your ideals under the bed.

[Rathyr]

Well at this point im going to

unvote

And Going to put my vote on you.

Reasons

1- Urge to eliminate me even if he isnt 100% sure.

No one but scum (Or cops I guess) is

ever

100% sure on day one.

2- Reason to vote against me is "Eon being stupid"

And your scummy posts, duh.

3- Tries to rush lynching.

So? I'm not trying to "quicklynch" you, but I am a little impatient, especcially because I hope to be tested tonight.

4- Does personal attacks when his name is called by someone.

OMGUS

5- Holds for situation.

I don't understand this.

6- Called Role very early and there is some chance he lied.

I've explained this already!

Also questions for you Rathyr, people tell us what do you think about different people here, its not like im the only one who chats with you. Im kinda interested in your oppinion.

Well, off the top of my head I have to say I am a little suspicious of TSS, but who knows how much of that is subconscious indignance.

[Rathyr]

Eon, after reading your list, I'd think you'd vote for yourself.

You get on my nerves WHOLE GAME, EVERY POST YOU MAKE CONTAINS MY NICKNAME. Dont you have any more suspects? Or you prefer to hold on 1 person 1 turn and then "find" another suspect next turn. Please tell us about what you discovered in this game.

Good point.

5- Holds for situation

You dont suspect anyone besides me, you dont try to find more suspects. After you placed your vote on me, every post from you sounds so "Lets finaly Lynch Eon", "When is he going to be lynched" Why is he still alive. YOU DIDNT SAY ANYTHING SMART. Suddently your last post features "You suspect TSQ a bit" But can you please tell us why?

Who, me?

I said I suspected TSS.

[Rathyr]

I agree, except for the first part, which is a load of craplogic that doesn't make any sense.

You saw a movie with a killer robot in it name nexus so that proves that I'm scum? WTF?

[Rathyr]

yeah rathr is teh noob
we should lynch him right now b cuz he cant stand up to r blnding logic

[Rathyr]

My own mother doesn't understand my logic...

I'll lay of the Nexus thing as my mind is concluded on the matter.

That's dumb, I haven't been proven one way or another yet.

I'd still like to know where it has been used in the past, but that is a discussion better saved for another day and thread.

I don't think it has.

Just ignore that part as it will lead us nowhere relevant...

So... What's your point?

[Rathyr]

Rathyr what do you think about Cadre?

I think the majority of his posts have been borderline scummy.

I never liked a player who said something like this in a game. Lynching someone because you don't like them is a ridiculous tactic, not only wasting a lynch but shortening the amount of time we have to hunt scum.

Let me say this slowly, so you can understand.

I. Want. To. Lynch. Eon. Because. I. Think. He. Is. Scum.

Any questions?

lets kill rathyr

This isn't scumchat.

Do you want me to ask for you to be replaced?

[Rathyr]

You could still save yourself, you know.

[Rathyr]

I don't know, but a player once said, "I believe any townie should be able to talk himself out of a lynch." I don't know who it was though.

Here is a hint though, you won't convince me of your innocence by calling other people scum. It just doesn't work.

[Rathyr]

Wait, aren't you calling TSQ, or me, scum?


Also, are you saying I'm using my claim to tay alive? Of course I am.

[Rathyr]

I'd vote Cadre, happily.

And if anyone gets vigged, it should be me.

[Rathyr]

Me too.

FoS: Cadre, Rosso

Minor FoS: Fugly, TSS.

I want the lurkers to post their oppinions of current events.

[Rathyr]

This makes me sad.

[Rathyr]

What's your point?

[Rathyr]

Me too.

[Rathyr]

Thanks.

[Rathyr]

I was just making sure so that I can quote it to him when Eon turns up scum.

[Rathyr]

Mod: What is the win condition for a nuetral nexus? If you don't want to tell us, just say so.

[Rathyr]

Are you listening to me??

[Rathyr]

I though SL

already

replaced into this game.

[Rathyr]

Wait,

I'm

misguided but the other 13 or so people voting Eon aren't?

I can afford to be agressive because I don't have to worry about being NKed.

[Rathyr]

Note: I'm fine with a rosso, cadre, or eon lynch today.

But I prefer Eon.

[Rathyr]

lol.

I say don't let the noobie act get to you.

[Rathyr]

So, is SL really replacing two players?
I don't know what's going on with that.

[Rathyr]

I can afford to be agressive because I don't have to worry about being NKed.

X

You should always play going after the players you are suspicious of. Not wanting to be NKed is selfish and doesn't benefit the town.

What does that "X" thing mean?

And SL, I don't think you understand what I meant there.

First, let's state a few facts.

1. Most people don't like dying.

2. I can't be NKed whether I like it or not, so that is not an issue.

3. I'm trying to kill Eon, who I think is scum.

So, how I am I being selfish and anti-town?

I was just saying that the reason most townies are less agressive than I am is because scum tend to kill agressive townies, but I don't have to worry about that so I can be as agressive as I want.

1) I agree w/ the fact that Eon is either scum or a scummy townie... either way lynching him can only do good for the town in the long run.

2) POST

3) People are going to have to start replacing multiple player :o, that could get out of control.

FoS: Twomz

Trying to fit in with the town a bit too eagerly there?

1) Wow. Congratulations on informing everybody that Eon has acted scummy. The 14 votes on him wouldn't help you conclude that at all. Saying lynching a weak town player will help us in the long run is bullcrap, lynching scum is always better than lynching a scummy town.

2) You're telling other people to post, you've posted 3 posts in the past 4 days and all your posts have only been minimal length and almost all of them have only been echoing other's thoughts. Looks like you trying to fit in the town by pretending to want to encorage activity.

3) There's been two replacements so far. This is the first time they were announced, since when do we need people to replace multiple players for two replacements? Once again, looks like you trying to fit in with the town by pretending to want to encorage activity.

:goodposting:

[Rathyr]

Heh at least ShadowLurker looks at this game and understands some stuff.
I can agree with IM WEAK TOWN player and i dont mind getting lynched since my existence without having any skills is kinda useless.

So vote yourself.

No really, I mean it.

[Rathyr]

OK, if I wasn't guilty of it myself, I'd say you were helping him along.

[Rathyr]

How the hell am I "linking" myself to you?

I agree that Eon and Cadre (And rosso) should die, but so what?

[Rathyr]

Um... no.

After tonight there should be no question of my innocence, and there should be very little question today.

[Rathyr]

Why do we keep coming back to this, anyway?

And

why is Eon still alive???

[Rathyr]

Yes master yoda.

[Rathyr]

Hear hear!

[Rathyr]

Vote yourself and we will only have to do one vote.

[Rathyr]

lol.

[Rathyr]

I think he is scum, but I also think that if I have to put up with him one more day I will go insane.

That is why I'm saving rosso and Cadre for later.

[Rathyr]

Eon.

[Rathyr]

lol.

[Rathyr]

MrBuddyLee is spot on about Eon's wagon.

IYBO.

[Rathyr]

Yes.

[Rathyr]

ok.

Unvote: Eon

Vote: Cadre

[Rathyr]

What?

I already said that Eon, Cadre and rosso are tied for first place on my LoS.

[Rathyr]

rathyr, do you really think a second bandwagon is going to help the town right now? Theres no reason to not lynch eon, we can leave all the rest of the guess work till tommorow, when we have more info based off of who was on/off the wagon.

OK, I see your point.

Unvote: Cadre

Vote: Eon

How many votes is that?

15? 16?

[Rathyr]

Damn it. This is taking too long.


Eon, why haven't you voted yourself yet?

[Rathyr]

Or you could just vote eon and end this stupid day.

[Rathyr]

I also would want Rathyr to reply this, what do you think about Things MBL told?

What, where he says that you're innocent?

I think he's wrong, and so does TSQ, apparently.

[Rathyr]

About the last bit, if he turns up scum you won't have to worry about strangling anybody because you your self will be the one being strangled.

[Rathyr]

^^ Aimed at bruddy.

[Rathyr]

He can't.

[Rathyr]

About the last bit, if he turns up scum you won't have to worry about strangling anybody because you your self will be the one being strangled.

:twisted:

Trying to set up the next lynch before today's results are known is scummy. Way scummy in this case. Clarify please why you think I should be lynched tomorrow.

I don't, I was just kidding you.

But if Eon turns up scum like I think he will, I am going to have to reread the posts of everyone who defended him in more than say, two posts.

[Rathyr]

rathyr, do you really think a second bandwagon is going to help the town right now? Theres no reason to not lynch eon, we can leave all the rest of the guess work till tommorow, when we have more info based off of who was on/off the wagon.

I changed my mind. This posts seems scummy to me.

FoS: TSQ

for seeming to think Eons death is more important than killing scum.

If people start voting Cadre or rosso I will take my vote off Eon and votes them.

[Rathyr]

No. I already am.

[Rathyr]

I am becoming weary of this dance.

[Rathyr]

True.

I can still be an impatient bastard though.

[Rathyr]

You really think Eon is town?

[Rathyr]

I'm here, but I don't feel like participating in this foolish feud that has been instigated by Eon and will serve only to confuse on the marrow.

[Rathyr]

Oops.

[Rathyr]

Is that a hammah?

[Rathyr]

What??

[Rathyr]

OMG IT'S DAY 2 after almost 2 months.

Needless to say, I have forgotten this game's events whatsoever and will need to be rereading.

Agreed.

[Rathyr]

Good points about Smashy.

Vote: Smashy.

The problem is, even if we've found all the scum in Eon, Smashy and Cadre, there are probably a bunch of other anti-town roles sneaking around.

[Rathyr]

lol.

In a way the day kill was very good, but after seeing Mr. Buddy's fur and claws I'm a little worried about how many anti-town roles we will have to deal with.

[Rathyr]

I have to say, I am very much ok with a cadre lynch, as I have been from D1.

[Rathyr]

I still say Cadre is scum.