NY 159: RUST game over

[ProHawk]

Rob, you have a few good points against BloodCovenant, except for one part. Wouldn't scum try to avoid each other more than make connections with each other? Do you really think that scum would make two connections back and forth to sacrifice the other scum-partner should one flip scum?

While this does not exonerate BC or Zabriel, I think it does make it not so fairly obvious as you say it is.

[ProHawk]

I think I can see it now.

VOTE: zabriel

Wow. Miller claim already.

Seems legit. BC=Obvtown

.

I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny.

I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

These two posts do not equate.

[ProHawk]

Unvote

At the same time, I do want to note that BC played significantly differently in his linked miller game than he did this one (at least the bit that I read). He seems to more actively and logically scum-hunt in the linked game.

Unless you are only looking at the few posts before he was under attack, I think we should consider the context. There have been a barrage of posts aimed directly at him. I don't think that many would continue to actively and logically scum-hunt while being on the defensive, under direct fire. While I didn't actually read the other game, its just my observation here.

[ProHawk]

I see a Miller claims. Detestable. Never seen Miller claim turning out to actually be a Miller. See Spartacus Mafia and Disney Villains Mafia to see where I'm coming from.
If possible, I'd like to lynch both Millers. Believe it or not I saw a two men scumteam plotting to claim millers at the same time, get one lynched and have one live until the lylo in cruising time.

Do you suggest that we policy lynch the Miller claims without trying to see if they are scum or not? I don't really agree with the logic that we should lynch them because one scum-team plotted to both claim miller, especially when the team decided not to try it. As Rob put it, there are motivations for both scum and town to claim miller early on. There are other ways to catch scum without the cop.

[ProHawk]

Just want to make a few comments and present something I found while running ISOs.

DemonCore is looking pretty suspect at the moment.

I am still not getting much from Zab as he seems to not care much about being the vote leader, nor about being active in hunting. Still think its a decent lynch here.

My ISO on AngryPidgeon is concerning. He seems to be all over the place on his reads and votes. He has changed his vote 6 times, while making numerous threats outside of his votes. Overall, super aggressive play-style which seems consistent with how he normally plays from what I have seen. Aggression/Assertion - Fairly Null. However, some of his posts seem to me that he is fence-sitting which is the complete opposite to aggressive play.

Spoiler: Fence Sitting Posts

well my gut says vote BC...

My

gut

very precise scumdar says you and Zabriel are a team. Look at all the hurr-durr BC is so scummy nonsense you are throwing around, all whilst only token caring about Zabriel?

Cheery is sailing the clear waters towards scumville. But really.. his opening post is only slightly scummy.

when he flips scum, Zab your next.

My confirmation bias is tingling.

Rofl, not to appeal to my glorious glorious town Meta, but you should believe me when I say BC is town. He ain't scum. No way. Rob will flip scum first. Seriously.

97: oh CKD is so mad! Derp.

CKD is actually the most likely to flip scum in thread right now.

Done with P4. Pretty much

CKD should be the lynch today.

Zabriel is still ok. They are probably on a team.

This post is probably the biggest example of what I see as a contradictory play-style. He states CKD is the "most likely to flip scum in thread right now" and the end states "CKD should be the lynch today." He doesn't unvote Zabriel to follow up his claim with a CKD vote, but hedges his claim with Zabriel is still ok. In fact, his next post #136 (two posts later) he voted for Demon Core, which was only a leaning scum read in post #127.

Hi drmy.

Im debating whether I should take a page out of rofl's book and stubbornly insist on either karmadog or demoncore and FoS that hell out of everyone not voting them.

Another post with his choice of obv-lynch candidates. Important note: At this point his vote is on Zabriel. Therefore, he considers pushing the town to lynch karmadog or demoncore without having a vote on either party. He finally gets around to voting DemonCore in post #227.

Ok, drmy is scum. For serious.

Just one of a few posts that AP insists drmy is scum without building a case, or voting.

I am going to keep my vote on Zabriel, I still see scum here. However, I believe that looking into AngryPidgeon would be very beneficial.

[ProHawk]

I disagree with a Miller policy lynch.

[ProHawk]

We're 5 days into the game, which is less that halfway through this phase, why are you so eager to to finish the day?
and why do you want a pile of dead bodies?

As much as it seems bad on the surface, it fits with his style of play, and seems to echo much of the sentiment of players I have seen here (from the little I have seen). I am willing to compromise on a DC lynch after an eval of ISO, particularly of Post #166, however, I still feel we should be lynching zabriel.

@drmy and Rob, any consensus as to when you two want the day to end?

[ProHawk]

Sounds like a good plan to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Demon Core

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zabriel

No reason to call his bluff Day 1. Back to the other scum.

[ProHawk]

Completely agree, don't counterclaim until later in the game. That way in the off chance he is telling the truth about being cop, we don't mis-lynch him and scum would be forced to kill him.

[ProHawk]

Completely agree with Darthe's reasoning. There is no reason to risk killing the claimed cop when there is a chance he is not lying.

[ProHawk]

The OTHER scum? LET'S FLIP DEMON CORE SCUM AND INCRIMINATE PROHAWK.

"Incriminate"? I prefer the word "Rape". But upon you more, natch.

You are a douche. How about you grow up and get some vocabulary aside from the incessant profanity and drivel that spews from your mouth.

[ProHawk]

zabriel - Mafia Doctor! - Anyone else as confused as I am about this? I mean, I knew zab was a bad guy, but killed during the night?

[ProHawk]

Prohawk, were you counterbussing Zab? Don't lie.

Heck no, I would have seen him lynched Day 1. DeamonCore caught me by surprise.

[ProHawk]

Third party? Is zabriel DC's partner? We have a vig AND mafia kill was blocked/protected? We have to reach some agreement on how this NK happened so we can analyze Day 1.

P-Edit: If a vig shot Zab, then our doc/RB got it right on N1? Is any of these roles "claimable" right now?

No. Not Claimable.

VOTE: malpascp

[ProHawk]

Hi all.

Catch up post. Based on my read

AP, Rob13, BC = town.
Pere and rolf lean town
Everone here....

KMD leans scum.

Darthe, dermy, prohawk = scum

Vote: Prohawk

Need to re-read zabriel back later.

Wrong game... try again

[ProHawk]

Hello everyone, this seems to have been a good night. I am glad to have my suspicions of Zab confirmed and have to agree that an SK seems more likely than a Vig to me at this point. For now,

vote BC

in the interest of competing trains.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Darthe

Do you have like an equivalent of a soundboard just with memes/pictures?

[ProHawk]

that is a lot of scretching. I am looking for scum...dude fucking said, "lets look for other scum" then hopped off his wagon, then DC flipped scum.

given that fucking information who the fuck would you have tracked? you said "alleged" and you also say i could be a scum Joat...which is it, am I PR scum or a lying scum? if you think i am lying how come you have not followed up with prohawk to see if I am lying...seems like that would be an important thing to do, right? why didnt you?

I would have thought I was scum, if I hadn't already read my role card!

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE: darthe
VOTE: blood

back to lynching the

miller

then.

I also don't like Prohawk's new post at all.

And I don't like your sheeping.

[ProHawk]

See thats WIFOM though. If I role scum, I do my best to mimic my town meta. Which is why meta cases are shit in the first place.

Thats funny, I seem to recall you desperately trying to get people to vote me on a meta case...

Posts #502 and #516 come to mind actually...

[ProHawk]

@ Rob13 - I am VT which also confirms CKD's claim of me not targeting anyone.

[ProHawk]

Ok then, Taz is actually definitively confirmed town? 100%? No godfathers and other shit? Even considering that this game has fucking millers? hum sounds about right

You are implying that Rob13 happened to investigate the godfather on his first try.
No.

Okay, you are implying it as a POSSIBILITY.
If both millers would inevitably die, though, I still think BC should die first.

Are you having a conversation with yourself?

[ProHawk]

Wow, what an explosion. My head hurts from trying to catch up so quick and respond. I already claimed, but curse all of you that wanted a mass claim. We did just fine work without it D1. With all the lies rolling around from town and scum alike, who could believe any of it anyhow?

Rob, I need a wall please and I can wait until Friday Night. Thanks!

[ProHawk]

Silly attempt to get a DC that was going to inevitably be lynched to admit being scum in thread. If it had worked, he would be rolling in town cred. When Taz ruined it in subsequent posts, he gets really, really angry as indicated in ISO #39-#41 (look them up). Due to the crazy emotion and attempt to get town cred when DC was going to be lynched anyway, most likely, I consider this exchange a tad scummy.

^This convinced me.

Never understood why so many people discredited the claim so quickly without blinking.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CKD

I am so sad this thread moves so fast. So many one liners I wanted to reply to, but alas they are pages away and the joke is long gone.

[ProHawk]

As someone who loves multiple-choice tests, AP should know that C is always the correct answer...

Foolish Pidgeon

[ProHawk]

I wont quit my day job.

[ProHawk]

Oh, there's been a hammer. Well, that gives me a couple more days to catch up. Will post when day opens up.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Josh Lyman

Time to lynch the lurker.

Aside from that, rofl looks town to me. Still have more digging to do on Darthe.

[ProHawk]

@ PP - He has even less info in his ISO than you do, but we all have to start somewhere.

@Rob - This is assuming that he can't send in a kill from the QT. You are also assuming that there is only one more scum slot left?

Looking more closely at times, he should have been replaced already.... so vote stays until his replacement arrives.

[ProHawk]

@Rob - Your logic on Lyman scum is spot on so long as there are only 4 scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: malp

I also concur with your malp reasoning. I don't feel like Darthe is scum.

[ProHawk]

Malp, You are a supposed miller, no way for us to tell what your real alignment is. I don't see anyone else more scummy around.

Rob has an outstanding track record of fishing out and lynching scum. Of course I am going to believe him when he says you are a good lynch.

You actually read Darthe's quotes?

[ProHawk]

Not sheeping, just think its time for you to go.

[ProHawk]

Loved the editors

notes

modifications BTW Rob. I lol'ed.

[ProHawk]

Darthe, The part about you attempting to self-incriminate... that is what bothers me. Sure, you might think it would be slanted, but its still going to be slanted when you try to third-person yourself.

Multi-quote is fine, just put it in a spoiler for those who care to read the quotes.

[ProHawk]

Which inactives are you hoping for?

[ProHawk]

It is interesting to me that you wish to hear from Lyman.

[ProHawk]

It is interesting to me that you wish to hear from Lyman.

Why?

Why would you ever want to hear from anyone?

[ProHawk]

AP's answer is why I was intrigued.

Cheery's answer would be less intriguing.

[ProHawk]

Glad to see we will be getting a replacement.

[ProHawk]

So if I flip miller that means some PR is claiming VT????

Unsure about your flip malp?

[ProHawk]

2 Millers and 1

One-Shot

Gunsmith does not compute.

So with the setup we have to lynch one miller and gunsmith the other? Something smells fishy.

Today, we lynch Malp or Cheery.

[ProHawk]

Day 3. Cheery Claims - Post #1246 - Targeted AngryPidgeon. Not sure if the action was taken N1 or N2.

Without support to lynch Malp, I would be happy with a Cheery lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cheery Dog

[ProHawk]

Cannot create a causitive correlation from your evidence rofl. Scum was killed due to Rob's outstanding play and scums terrible play, plain and simple. Roles just made it possible for an extra kill.

[ProHawk]

I think its malp, but Cheery gets second place.

[ProHawk]

I will compromise on malp

[ProHawk]

I see a big problem if you're compromising from voting me onto the wagon I'm voting.

I don't.

One of you is lying.

[ProHawk]

I just don't think Cheery would throw himself out there to prevent a lynch on me unprompted.

Town-cred. Especially in your eyes.

Why a 1-shot with two millers? 1 shot with 1 miller makes sense, or 2 shot with two millers.

[ProHawk]

People Cheery spoke to directly: Bloodcovenant, malp, Peregrine, drmy, Taz, Rob13, AngryPidgeon, rofl, Darthe, TheReverend, Paid Pyro, ProHawk, DGB

People Cheery spoke of (without direct conversation): Demon Core, CKD, Zabriel

[ProHawk]

Cheery's hard bus on CKD? I don't see it....

[ProHawk]

I feel like my post was missed, Rob, where is Cheerys Hard Bus on ckd?

[ProHawk]

If there a perfectly acceptable townie on the block then why push for another townie. I think she reads town at this point.

Makes perfect sense to me and I concur, but I will allow Pyro to explain first.

[ProHawk]

And you've actually brought up some good points as to why I could be scum now - pity I interacted with the last scum, otherwise we could have caught them based of who I never interacted with wait your slot is the last one I interacted with right? Maybe you are scum after all.
I'm still convinced it's malp, I can't see this game balanced with two milers. The one we know to be a true miller wouldn't have claimed had malp claimed first; if that happened, it wouldn't have even been possible g to have them both vigged.

When you are the last scum, this makes zero sense.

@Rob, trying to find your case on Darthe... I can't. Wall please?

[ProHawk]

I can do a wall if you want, but it won't be for a day or three. I have a midterm, quiz, and a shit ton of homework coming up this week that I need to get under control.

So yeah, will get wall on Darthe going as soon as I can.

If I am reading the deadline correctly, we have 2 Days, 13 hours to come up with a consensus. If you are really busy this week, you should consider lynching Cheery with us and we can go after Darthe tomorrow if it comes down to that.

[ProHawk]

AP is just blinded by the meta-analysis that he never does, but by all means continue.

[ProHawk]

Our lynches, in this order, are Darthe, Paid Pyro, no lynch (due to MyLo), and then mal. This obviously assumes that nothing else changes.

So we are going to let the miller live to LYLO? I'm good with lynching Darthe today.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Darthe

Rev, No lynch on Mylo increases the odds of finding scum by lowering the town:scum ratio in addition to avoiding the loss by mislynch.

[ProHawk]

He maybe did do both, and PH is still scum and CKD lied about it!

P-edit: I just typed out some spec on Rofls death but deleted it. I want to hear PH's opinion on the Rofl death.

Then put your vote where your mouth is. Your tunneling me is getting old and is futile.

Looking at the kill target list: Prohawk, Rob, rofl, Paid Pyro, Darthe, Rev, malp, DGB, AP .

Rob or AP

should

have been the obvious kill as most obvtown. I believe Rob wasn't killed because either Darthe is scum and it would be suicide to kill the person pushing your lynch the most, or Darthe is town and keeping Rob alive would facilitate another mislynch. AP was left alive because he can't get off of his tunneling of PH who happens to be town. This would lead to another mislynch so keeping AP alive would be beneficial.

Paid Pyro, Malp, rev, and Darth are either scum, or scum wanted to keep them around because of the general consensus that they are on the list of people to be lynched.

By PoE, the lynch most beneficial to scum was rofl and DGB.

Thats the way I see it.

[ProHawk]

Come-on AP, lets see your vote.

[ProHawk]

Allow me to spoon feed you AP.

@Rob - Your logic on Lyman scum is spot on so long as there are only 4 scum.

My read on the DGB slot ^

[ProHawk]

I don't vote for townies - I don't think she is scum.

[ProHawk]

I don't argue with those who are too blind to see the truth.

[ProHawk]

Already did o blind one

[ProHawk]

1) Quote it or it didn't happen.

2) I don't care if you agree or not. I work on probability.

[ProHawk]

PP - Your arguments have so many holes I don't even know where to start.

You claim I think DGB is scum. - False
You claim I called for a PL on LaL (Lynch all Liars) - False

You quote me saying I want to lynch a lurker and try to compare it to me not wanting to policy lynch a miller
Not even comparable.

Now you can kindly get off of your angry rampage horse and help us lynch actual scum. Thanks.

[ProHawk]

AP, I see scum motivation right about...

2. Can't have the rev say saying I'm not on a scum wagon anymore

Here

[ProHawk]

You're not off your angry rampage horse. I have answered all of your questions. If you feel you must lynch me then make it so.

[ProHawk]

Why do I feel like there is an echo of me in here?

[ProHawk]

What happened to your meta analysis that you never do?

[ProHawk]

Time to get on the scum wagon PP. I think you have it figured out from the BC lynch wagon.

[ProHawk]

Why are we all doubting our MVP?

Fuck it, this can be an info lynch.

unvote vote Dcore

^Hammer Bus.

In the words of the late drmy: "lynch this Vader".

For those of you with doubts, you should really re-read posts #574-#587

[ProHawk]

No its revered, He is blatantly agreeing with the wagon analysis done by someone he thinks may be scum despite that meaning he is the scum on the wagon if darthe flips town? And he doesn;t give a singular shit about that? Hes literally that confident in a darthe scum flip? Not buying it.

Stupid play cause he loses if Darthe flips town and we lynch him next.

All Darthe can say is "I will flip town, I will flip town, just you see".

[ProHawk]

Lynch me today. It will be quicker.

[ProHawk]

Allow me to make this easy for you, since you feel my play today has been bad.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rob13

Just speed lynch me so you can quit stalling and kill the scum Darthe tomorrow.

[ProHawk]

He's not scum.

[ProHawk]

The fact that Rev asked someone to hammer him but did not volunteer to self hammer makes him scum.

Depends on your personal viewpoint, but by no means does that make him scum.

[ProHawk]

Did you even re-read Darthes hammer on DC?

[ProHawk]

Way to make it to the end as a miller malp!

[ProHawk]

FTR - AP, I played against my usual meta because this was my third game, which happened to be quite a bit of content to keep up with and I knew I wouldn't be able to keep up with my usually style. Way to catch the scum BTW, he had me convinced, but then again he would have been dead one way or the other.

Also, PP who are you on the Gym?

[ProHawk]

Thanks for the link taz!

[ProHawk]

I just buddied up with Rob