In post 407, Jake from State Farm wrote: In post 403, Dave168 wrote:
OK. Suppose that was to happen. Is it normal to want a roleclaim first?
yes you will be asked to role claim at some point, usually when someone gives intent to hammer.
Since we have plenty of time left, I am fine waiting for replacements but I also will go ahead and imply that I have an intent to hammer.
I don't want to end the day yet because the new people's thoughts and reactions could be useful
This is similar to d3x's post. By gut, though, it looked more town to me.
In post 439, Jake from State Farm wrote:But if there is no counterclaim - surely my claim holds water then.
Did you really just say this?
That's an admission of guilt if I ever saw one. The odds that a cop is in this setup anyway is slim, not many normal games have them and when they do they usually have a modifier attached.
No self respecting cop would ever counter on day 1.
That being said, I have a no lynching of a claimed PRs on day 1. Surely we can give him a stay of execution for 1 day.
Jake explains that he thinks Dave is lying, but also explains quite clearly why he doesn't want to lynch him. This continues in the next relevant post...
In post 446, Jake from State Farm wrote:But if this setup has max 1 cop, any other cop should claim now. Then take your pick of who to lynch day 1 / 2, and you will have a scum for sure. I think we used this technique in my 2nd Newbie game.
if you were REALLY a cop, why would you ask someone to CC you? if you are legit there would be no CC nor would there be a need to ask for one.
And is further emphasized again...
In post 450, Jake from State Farm wrote: In post 447, Dave168 wrote:in my 2nd newbie game it was a day 3 cop claim with 5 people left. we'd lynched mafia roleblocker and doctor was NK'd, and in that setup (F11 I think) that meant there HAD to be a cop. i started day 3 asking for the cop. he duly claimed and was believed, since in that setup there could only be 1. hence in that scenario CC was the right thing to ask for, to narrow down from 5 people to only 2, with 2 lynches.
sure its wrong in this scenario, but I'm just throwing stuff out there, I can't think of every pro and con, i'm hoping other people can help out. but if its not even a valid subject for discussion, thats OK too.
that's exactly right, it's wrong in THIS scenario for multiple reasons.
1. if you were telling the truth who would CC you? Scum? No they wouldn't
2. another cop? - highly unlikely
3. a townie? sorry this isn't epic mafia
...But he makes sure to emphasize his viewpoint against lynching a PR d1 in his next post.
In post 453, Jake from State Farm wrote:personally i like my policy so I will stick with it.
Dave, i was looking at your paraphrase of your role pm, your role PM says you are aligned with the town is that pretty close to how it is worded in your role pm, is it worded differently, or did you just add that in there?
And not only that, but instead of a Dave lynch, he also gives a transparent thought process for exactly who he'd prefer if not for Dave, when he says this:
So.
d3x rolefished, and when presented with the cop claim, gaged for lynchability. When Dave proved an easy target, he directed suspicion onto Dave, while avoiding being on the wagon.
Jake explained, and when presented with the cop claim, was skeptical, explaining in crystal clear (rather than vague) posts as to why. However, despite being suspicious of the claim, Jake also explained exactly why he wasn't joining the Dave wagon. AND, better yet, he even offered an alternative wagon to Dave as a d1 lynch, pressuring Thor.
I'm not going to say the difference is that of night and day, but it's still there.
Jake's not exactly in my top tier of townreads, but he's far from the bottom of the list.
d3x, on the other hand...
