NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[Mehdi2277]

AA, have you read any games here and can I see a link to one of the games you've played in the past.

NS how is it scummy to take advantage of someone in trying to get a read on them? Pretty sure I've done the same thing in a game you were in a while back. Currently it seems like it's not nice -> scummy which doesn't fit at all there.

Vi reason?

VOTE: Baby Spice for vote on NS without commenting on what konowa said on NS right before that.

P-edit: How is opportunistic at this point in the game? I don't see NS as being someone jumped on really currently.

[Mehdi2277]

Empire for what?

[Mehdi2277]

Also curious on it being different from having quick leans.

[Mehdi2277]

I disagree with the stretching part, but I'm fine with why not say it before if the vote was serious considering it was emp. VOTE: Emp

P-edit: Isn't saying I'll omgus saying it's scummy? Would he normally seriously push voting him is a scum tell?

[Mehdi2277]

Emp I'm more curious on why not justify it during the post you made the vote.

And vi middle of 35?

[Mehdi2277]

Well answering my question to you may help.

[Mehdi2277]

For who? And the impact help you then?

[Mehdi2277]

Considering he doesn't currently think we're scum hunting it fits.

[Mehdi2277]

Ok mehdi you are going to need to learn to use the quote function because I can't tell who you are responding to with that. It's ok to quote a post and frankly very Pro-Town so people can get a better understanding of your reasoning.

Usually the last post or nearby one if it doesn't have a name attached. It was to you. She doesn't think people are currently scum hunting and she doesn't think someone who doesn't know her can read her well from pressure. Both imply less scum hunting wherever the site she played before is.

[Mehdi2277]

Do you think anything can be taken from that given your assumption about her alignment?

It depends partly on how she played in the past, but basing it off experience I have with a less scum hunting meta the idea she's pushing feels pretty genuine to her and going with it vs just going along with things makes me have her as a weak town lean.

[Mehdi2277]

Happy Birthday, Empire! Here, have a present:

Vote: Empire

P-Edit: Angel, most games on this site start out with RVS (Random Voting Stage).

Nothing to fear.

This. Nothing to fear is a weird thing to say here. A weird way to put it.

Ps: Laptop died yesterday so I'm stuck mobile posting unless I can borrow access to something better like now.

Why not comment on it before with konowa then?

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Also curious on it being different from having quick leans.

On what being different from quick leans? I assume you mean saying someone is leaning town or scum early on by quick leans.

It meant what was the difference in a somewhat stretched weak read early on (which the NS logic I don't mind even though I think it's a case of he's assuming not nice -> scummy and that's bad) vs just having some reads early on that are currently weak.

[Mehdi2277]

Well answering my question to you may help.

Am sorry, was this for me? and what was your question?

Yes it was for you and here's the question:

AA, have you read any games here and can I see a link to one of the games you've played in the past.

[Mehdi2277]

VOTE: Mehdi

He just gives me a bad feeling. I also don't like his Empire vote. Well, I don't really like any of the Empire votes, but this one just seemed too weird.

Snow similar to Emp's question want to clarify the bad feeling?

Emp NS goes with thinking slightly mean -> scummy which while that doesn't work, but isn't a scum tell.

NS do you still like your kon vote?

Vi same thing I asked before can you explain why you're currently voting SAD?

UNVOTE: Emp What he's posted at 5 votes looks fine and lacks apathy. VOTE: Joh partly since I haven't gotten a response to my question (end of post 35) and of the votes on emp I like his least.

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Vi same thing I asked before can you explain why you're currently voting SAD?

Because I haven't moved my vote from him. Would you like for me to move my vote?

You voted him while talking to maestro on voting you is bad so I thought the lack of vote on maestro meant some more reasoning for voting SAD. I'm curious what that is.

[Mehdi2277]

I decline.

Unvote: Ser Arthur Dayne
Vote: Mehdi2277 (L-6)

I agree with Snowstormsarian2. (SSS2)

So you want to clarify snowstorm's feelings since you agree with them? And how it hurts to explain the vote?

[Mehdi2277]

The person we're voting is probably right for everyone who's posted.

[Mehdi2277]

Shooting AA at the moment would be dumb since I don't see anything scummy (maybe dumb from her play but nothing that bad).

SS look at any game I play if that's the feeling and you'll find similar. Primarily I'm online too much so it's easy to talk on everything. That and I've recently played with emp and was more used to him explaining things in too much detail as town.

AA it doesn't make a big difference who answers first so why wait?

Joh it doesn't really make a difference when you last posted. The reason remains your vote on Emp looks scummy and I still think empire voting NS since he can get him lynched quick and easy is doubtful (mainly since quick lynches are rare so I doubt most people actually have that motivation as scum if they played a decent amount).

[Mehdi2277]

There isn't a contradiction. End of post 35 tells you where to find the question.

[Mehdi2277]

Curious why you're not voting me when you think that's a contradiction?

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Since I think a contradiction would be a much bigger scum tell then being opportunistic (which I've responded to without getting a comment on how emp actually planned to quick lynch NS).

Unless you think the question was me having a town tell on you, I asked because I it found scummy how emp made sense with opportunistic. After answering it I still think that holds true.

[Mehdi2277]

You're the one who just said you could have multiple suspects. That was a reason to vote you. Another came which was Emp seemed like a bad lynch. Together I found you worst.

And I disagree that any contradiction is that weak of a scum tell.

[Mehdi2277]

You not understanding it doesn't mean I didn't explain. I asked you because I found it scummy. I then found something else scummy on you and decided to vote you. Is that clear?

[Mehdi2277]

I asked you because

I found it scummy

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I can use it as a reason without a response yet.

[Mehdi2277]

A. The idea Empire is being opportunistic when it makes little sense to be jumping on someone this early and expect it to be enough for an easy lynch.

B. Primarily let's look at the empire wagon. It consists of him, SAD who actually really pushes it, me, Tammy's rvs vote, and Magna who's also said other things and asked some questions. Of those 5 I find him worst and since I think emp is town I'm expecting at least one of the votes to be from scum.

Lastly, I think my point is clear to most people and you think that since I ask you something about a scummy thing I have to wait before I can use that as a reason. I don't.

[Mehdi2277]

Vi vig shooting AA would still be a dumb shot until you explain how she's scummy instead of just playing a bit dumb.

[Mehdi2277]

The lacks apathy angle fits fairly well from what I've heard of you disliking scum quite a bit more (I've never read your scum games though).

And you read Low Effort by the looks of it and NS played more confident there as well when it came to being pressured.

Next, I'm curious why you'd need to pore over my meta again. I thought open 463 meta analysis would be enough unless that somehow was partly forgotten?

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I mainly don't think you'll get anywhere meta analyzing me similar to what thor said on my town and scum play aren't different. I do know a few minor differences meta wise that I have trouble dealing with but I just doubt you'll find them.

When winter break starts for me I'll go through one of your scum games. Right now though I'll just go with you dislike scum so when you're not apathetic you're more likely to be town.

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And emp what do you think of your whole wagon?

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AA is town because if you've caught up to emp's paragraph on it then that explains it best. Mainly it's just her positiveness. Wanting to vig someone that annoys you is always a dumb idea.

And do you really think an easy target vs trying to quick lynch someone are that different? As for the question thing I'm not sure how I can make that clearer since that was responded to multiple times. I still find it strange that joh thinks I contradict myself and a contradiction is a weaker scum tell then emp being opportunistic.

[Mehdi2277]

Explain vi being town, rofl.

[Mehdi2277]

Since I town read emp and while I'm more on tammy I don't really suspect her. I do suspect vi.

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*more meh

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Lastly, Tammy do you think the entire wagon on Empire was town? I don't which is why I'm using it as a starting place and MoI before his v/la was commenting more while I find the way SAD voted to be pretty genuine. I kind of ignored your vote since I didn't really have a way to analyze it.

[Mehdi2277]

5 votes on someone I think is town. I think at least one is likely from scum. I suspect joh most on that wagon. I vote joh. Sure it isn't always going to work, but usually a wagon that size will have at least one mafia.

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And as for I voted emp that doesn't really change my mind on it. The idea that if I'm voting someone all the other votes on him must be town is dumb. I think I was wrong on emp, so I swapped and looked at the wagon.

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And as for I voted emp that doesn't really change my mind on it. The idea that if I'm voting someone all the other votes on him must be town is dumb. I think I was wrong on emp, so I swapped and looked at the wagon.

You know what's weird is that you thought the votes on Empire were bad even before you put down yours, so why did you even vote him in the first place?

And yeah, Tammy's town.

Since I had a different reason then one given before which I already said. I found the fact emp wasn't explaining first when I was used to him walling from the beginning to be a bit strange and voted him.

And tammy I think joh's reason sucks. I think the idea of pushing an easy lynch near the beginning of the game is a weak reason similar to how quick lynching rarely ever happens.

[Mehdi2277]

Add the word a between Vi and vig. And yes I think the fact he's pushing on it is bad since so far it just seems like complaining about someone annoying (if it was someone really scummy then why is Vi not voting her).

AA the majority of the reads are summarized in one word null, so they don't really help at all. If you're commenting on different parts being willing to actually lean towards town or scum helps.

Tammy you arguing the questioning is the exact same thing I argued with joh. Read the argument between me and joh again and if it still doesn't make sense then ask me, but your last argument is nearly identical to what joh was arguing.

Currently think rofl is town too, just because speculation on someone flipping scum isn't really worth pushing on when I wouldn't flip scum.

P-edit: You realize all your scum reads are centered on me bad while joh good?

[Mehdi2277]

Considering I think the opposite yes. How is MoI scum outside of associations related to me? I still disagree with fosing an easy mislynch early on as a likely scum motivation since easy mislynches aren't actually easy before reads have been decided on people (ex: micro 94 where scum tried to lynch NS) so unless you generally already do it I don't think it's a reasonable assumption for emp's play.

SAD I know you think I'm scum, but do you think all of emp's wagon is town (well excluding me)? Joh pretty much made a debate on a minor detail over one one vote which I still say you don't need a response to something to use the question as a reason without voting me until arguing it for a decent while. If he really thought it was as a big deal as he shows and calls with the me and MoI can't read then a vote would have occurred before then. That's what I currently find to be his biggest scum tell.

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Yes it does. Unless you find Vi to always be serious which I don't.

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And that's based on joh interactions which I'm curious if you thought I was town would actually still hold?

[Mehdi2277]

@SAD, so you think Vi is always serious?

1. Ask question
2. Vote for thinking the idea in the question and his vote being worst on the wagon make him top suspect
3. Everyone argue I need to wait for a response from a question to use that as a vote reason.

Deas empire generally analyzes everything a lot. I don't see how him doing a lot of spec on something short is strange,

P-edit: You do realize there's a pretty big difference in the two annoyance wise. Reading 100 boxes might clear up the difference.

P-edit 2: So can you explain your read on me AA? I have mixed opinions, but you only mention positive things on me.

And don't worry too much on who babyblue is.

[Mehdi2277]

Yes it does. Unless you find Vi to always be serious which I don't.

Since I said he wasn't serious too. While it wasn't done completely seriously I still find the push bad.

[Mehdi2277]

You can jokingly push something and showing annoyance for someone I think is likely town but mainly just for playing strangely (since if it's actually scumminess I'd like to hear it) I find scummy.

[Mehdi2277]

SAD why not mention tammy saying she wants AA vig shot but mention me on it?

[Mehdi2277]

And I think tammy takes it seriously as well (considering she's partly town reading vi for it and from her tone sounds like she actually wants the vig kill).

[Mehdi2277]

Joh what's your read of emp? Is it the same as before?

[Mehdi2277]

SAD answering me on tammy I'd think matters more then Vi being called something else.

So joh what are all my posts arguing with you? Whether you like the defense that is it and I find you being either dumb or just ignoring it to argue when I've repeatedly explained the main question thing you attacked me on. You still won't see that as viable and treat it like every time I argue with you is because I can't read.

[Mehdi2277]

I never said she attacked Vi. It was only a few posts ago so are my posts hard to read? You pushed me for taking the fact Vi pushed AA as scummy, but it's ok for her to get a town read on Vi for the same thing and seriously push for AA being vig shot.

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So I seriously believed Empire would be lynched that easily and unvoted to not be on an empire lynch? Kind of funny when I've been arguing that an easy mislynch doesn't usually occur that easily.

P-edit: She gave that as a reason for Vi town. Look at her wall when she started posting again near the end.

P-edit 2: A. That opportunistic seems weak and doubtful of a reason for emp scum and that was what you voted him for.
B. I think MoI is town and one reason for that is his death spec on me flipping scum. Didn't count tammy's vote as much in that wagon. SAD has been pushing the most even if it is on me. So what's left is my vote and yours and since I think one scum is on the wagon I think it's you. I asked if you changed reads on emp to see if you actually would think what does the wagon on him look (kind of curious how emp's walls don't look really town).
C. You're excessive inability to comprehend that me asking a question doesn't mean I need a response to vote you when the question was on something you did I found scummy.
D. The amount you reacted to the one vote from me and had to argue over it.

[Mehdi2277]

Who do you mean this question? next time please either quote or name the person you're referring.
This is very confusing when someone post and don't quote or state who they referring too.

It was to me. Questions are almost always referring to whoever they were conversing with last on that point.

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You realize you're adding to point 3. I don't think you're dumb enough to make reasons and why you suspect me different. Those are the reasons I suspect you. And how you still can't understand something when I explain it a thousand times (such as quick lycnhing is a stupid motive when it rarely happens so being on an easy mislynch early is dumb).

Since most wagons on town have one or more scum. Pure appeal to probability.

Yeah I had emp as a bigger scum read then. The idea of multiple scum reads isn't foreign to you is it? After emp stopped being a suspect I swapped to you since you were my next suspect.

I've argued the question thing enough that I just prefer to go with you're being dumb on purpose.

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Because he is scummy. And AA since you asked joh any response to what he said.

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(there is something that makes me lean town here but I can't put my finger on it and wouldn't at all be upset at a VIG shot here)

Totally would not mind a vig of archangel and am slightly town reading vi because of his comments on it,

Here arthur.

[Mehdi2277]

I'm extreme for suspecting Vi for it, but tammy's fine for town reading vi and seriously being ok with shooting AA?

[Mehdi2277]

What does that post from MoI mean if I'm town?

[Mehdi2277]

It's a post from now. You gave on opinion on it as him over reacting since you think I'm scum. You can also give an opinion on what it means if I'm town now. I'm not asking you to give me all of your day 2 reads.

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Same thing I did as town back in Name of the Wind. So it being a scum tell for me doesn't work (don't think I've done it as scum on site).

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I can do it more too. First game on site where I said I self meta as town a lot more (newbie 1268). It's fun isn't it. If I'm going to defend a scum tell I've never done as scum meta works whether you like it or not.

[Mehdi2277]

He's voting me and pushing me a lot. I think he thinks I'm scummy.

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Since I equate you with walling off memory more. I've never played with you as scum, but I knew that you're more apathetic and like scum less. Same way I knew you tend to analyze a lot.

[Mehdi2277]

Emp is your reasoning on snow the same and why is he stronger then rofl?

[Mehdi2277]

Since I find the reasoning on snow weakest at the moment as a town read (the only one I completely disagree with is joh though). That and I give more weight to the chain lynching as a town tell comment since it wouldn't actually occur.

[Mehdi2277]

I'll comment longer when I'm home, but you do realize Tammy part of the argument was anyone experienced is unlikely to do it if they don't usually. I remember Moi doing it in marketplace mafia. I also remember reg saying it is part of his town meta and is a town tell. And I remember that I've rarely if ever pushed people with that reasoning in mind. This reason wasn't applicable before since I didn't what emp had read but I don't see him trying to mislynch NS when another scum tried and failed badly at it recently in a game he read.

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Oh and deas I think it's a dumb reason and would mean I get policy lynched every game when a person is readable without it.

[Mehdi2277]

Quick replies being, from my wagon vi and joh I think are scum (although that isn't connected to the wagon too much). SAD and tammy I think are town. Kon meh. Can't remember who else

And quick lynch = easy target since if you're pushing someone as scum it's likely for a lynch and easy kind of shows you think it won't take too much time or won't be too hard.

[Mehdi2277]

This tells me how amateur is your play style. this is no logic to call me Scum.
And you didn't had any right to call me "Null" either so we are even... If you wish to continue to call me scum, Go ahead!!
If you're scum, Town will see your lamest attack. If you're townie. It will be the diaster for town!!

Why react so much to one vote. One vote won't cause a disaster and is likely help instead of hurt.

And quick lynch = easy target since if you're pushing someone as scum it's likely for a lynch and easy kind of shows you think it won't take too much time or won't be too hard.

I don't even... Why would anyone pull out a quick-lynch on early day 1? Why do you think that's a worthy point against anyone in this game?

(And please, quote the posts you respond to! And some punctuation wouldn't hurt either...)

So what do you think the scum motivation in pushing an easy target early on is?

And also for activity reference I'm fairly sure my post rate has never been low as either alignment.

[Mehdi2277]

Joh, terribad vote and post with it. OMGUS with attitude. Insults (a personal pet peeve of mine), and strong focus on the weakest reason of Medhi's vote. But I've addresses this more earlier.

First of all, you have no clue what OMGUS means. I have solid reasoning, regardless if you agree with it or not.

Secondly, why is it bad?

Explain.

The reasoning makes no sense though. It's like you're not reading at all. That's essentially what you've been doing to any reasoning I have when it fits in my mind (I'm curious if none of what I've said in that argument makes sense to you still). I'll admit though that from looking at a past game of yours your annoyance is similar (specifically the vengeful where you yelled at Abbadon's reasoning when he was right). Vi currently looks worse (reasoning the same as before) VOTE: Vi

Whether omgus is used perfectly here or not the meaning behind it should be clear enough.

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Since I think an easy target is the type you'd expect to be lynched faster then normal if that actually worked. I'm treating them as similar and it was in reference to joh pushing emp for opportunism/easy target of NS when I don't think that's true.

[Mehdi2277]

I was reading another game since I heard a game mentioned as finished in one page. He was in it and played similarly. Vi was my second strongest scum read.

[Mehdi2277]

No. I still disagree with what he did. I just found something that I find to out weigh that. The annoyance he's shown is similar to a past town game not the fact that he always accuses people of being opportunistic. That and fail to answer the question still wasn't a reason for the vote (it was mainly so he'd know to answer it).

[Mehdi2277]

Since general scum tells aren't really meta. How you play in one game isn't pure meta.

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And deas you have one finished game with me. Was I unreadable then?

[Mehdi2277]

If you'd really like to compare reading a scum game of mine works. I don't think there is any differences that are noticeably consistent with scum games and not town games though except a few minor things.

[Mehdi2277]

Time relevance is? If it's to say something else that would be?

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No it's just that I think there's more of a reason to it that I'd rather hear vs implied.

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Since to me it made sense the first few times I argued it with him. Pretty sure I said repeated myself around then, so if you want me to say it in a clear way ask specifically about it when I've answered before.

Oh and unlike N/sixty I helped defend piggy for awhile (I just wasn't going to say no when JT had a strong case on them that made it really easy to just add in). Anyways the better connection for joh is his current play as compared to micro 64. Game's only two short pages long and shouldn't take more then 5 minutes to read.

And that was the question. I know you didn't feel a need to slow down the earlier lynches in Black Flag much so I was curious why it occurred now.

P-edit: For what? Is it the wall or wanting the day to slow down?

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It's a town game of his yelling at someone. Day 3 was also not long.

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Mainly on the fact you simply saying we had time left as a reason to not do a lynch now was missing the rest of the reason.

Emp did you find anything meta wise on NS?

[Mehdi2277]

Emp did you find anything meta wise on NS?

Doing it now. Games I'm looking at are: Micro 70, Otherworld, NY152, and Political Corruption Mafia.

(P.S.: Your line of questioning re: Open 463 is really cumbersome and tedious and really resembles your general line of questioning from that game.)

In not forgetting you're checking meta? Interestingly I don't remember really getting a meta read that game (I think best was me and OS played like a hydra similarly when we hated hydra dissonance first game, but not so second game) so seeing it occur is nice.

Spice did you glance at that johhog game I mentioned? It's not a long read at all.

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Since she thinks I'm town.

As for tammy I mainly wanted to hear her say something beyond we have time left for the unvote.

P-edit: Arthur forget this:

Medhi is Today's lynch. You're welcome to make your vote less throwaway anytime now.

[Mehdi2277]

It didn't matter. I wasn't asking that to get a better read on her.

P-edit: For example what she said after that.

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Haven't mentioned the growing wagon and being happy with it (as for more on his read on me that was asked for in post 80 so good luck with the response).

P-edit: I think I know my scum game better then you. Annoying people with questions includes town games such as micro 3. And not everything has to be for a read to be worth something. I thought it was because her own reads were less sure and wanted to hear that by not directly asking on it and see the response. If that's true I should never ask you or any town read a question since it's not likely for getting a read on them..

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Funny actually since that same reason was something referenced for town me.

mehdi looks like what ive seen of mehdi before, ie asking pointless questions and pushing angles i dont really give a shit abt. idk if he plays diff as scum tho so..standard null 4neow.

[Mehdi2277]

I kind of know that. The point is it was referenced for something I did as town with kanye previously (karma).

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But still you're point was I do it as scum. Mine is I do it as town as well and that kanye actually did put it best.

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Since I was trying to find the most recent finished example on the topic. And emp not sure what you mean. Yes I know kanye was wrong, but the point is that it was mentioned as part of town me,

[Mehdi2277]

It was the most recent mention of me asking questions a lot as a thing I do as town. Whether I was town or not doesn't change that.

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No I'm arguing that I'm not scummy for asking a lot of questions and it's null.

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Funny actually since that same reason was something referenced for town me.

mehdi looks like what ive seen of mehdi before, ie asking pointless questions and pushing angles i dont really give a shit abt.

idk if he plays diff as scum tho so..standard null 4neow

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But still you're point was I do it as scum. Mine is I do it as town as well and that

kanye actually did put it best

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[Mehdi2277]

Do not want me to found to an fos at me?

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What is your read on baby spice by the way?

Town since I don't see a benefit to continuing to push joh as scum or have me as a strong town read.

I don't see why Mehdi would have refuted the question point the way he did unless as scum hoping for "he wouldn't use a game where he was scum to defend himself, surely!"

I don't think I've ever bothered to use wifom as a reason besides bussing/distancing type stuff.

[Mehdi2277]

Town (S to W) -> Empire, Baby, MoI, AA, Tammy, | SAD, snow, rofl, Deas, Joh
Null (most to least town leaning) - King, NS, Kon,
Scum - Vi

If you need reasons for a specific people ask, since otherwise it isn't needed to explain why for each. The line thingy just divides strong town reads from weak ones.

P-edit: Yes and I love to do it, but there really isn't a point to it here when she's already divided herself opinion wise from most people with just having joh as a scum read so it just makes her more in disagreement with everyone. That and when I've had 10 people suspect me I have a feeling she'd get attacked for trying to white knight later on if I did get lynched. And the first reason (having joh as scum) also applies for her town read.

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Yes the entire meta discussion on joh which can be found:

I'll admit though that from looking at a past game of yours your annoyance is similar (specifically the vengeful where you yelled at Abbadon's reasoning when he was right). Vi currently looks worse (reasoning the same as before) VOTE: Vi

I was reading another game since I heard a game mentioned as finished in one page. He was in it and played similarly. Vi was my second strongest scum read.

No. I still disagree with what he did. I just found something that I find to out weigh that. The annoyance he's shown is similar to a past town game no

There's a few other mentions, but that's mainly it read change wise.

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It's implied when I say his town play in that game out weights his current play. Or the comment on spice reading his game to try to get her to change reads on him (what else was it for?)

And tammy not all white knights are equal. I said in that post I do it and followed with why it isn't worth doing here.

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He then picked the most townie vote on empire and calls it the scummiest. He then has not listened to why his interpretation is incorrect.

Can you really not see how this is just purely loaded? Since I said his vote was worst maybe I completely with the assertion and whether you think someone's post looks town doesn't mean I will think that. Similar to how I stayed with my idea on it you stayed with your idea on it for most of the time (and still are since you're calling it the best vote).

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Continuing on that I'm curious what all the posts with me arguing on joh's vote were. I can listen and still disagree to something.

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Also why is Vi a scumread (might I mention your only)? I mean beyond that one line "explanation" where you voted him.

A. The vig thing
B. Not ever replying to a. why did he vote you while teasing maestro and b. why did he vote me along with how he's pushing this lynch

Mainly it (so the one line is fairly accurate). Partial BoP too in just what he's said so far (such as the amount of time AA being annoying is discussed or not hearing any other scum reads of his).

What do you think about KM's reads?

I think he has the best reason to vote AA even if the vote is dumb and it's better then I want her shot. Emp read is similar to mine and you as well. Joh considering how his meta fits him town when he's annoyed the reason fits (admittingly most people's joh reads are ok since it'd be a scum tell on majority if the reason town reading him was scummy). The way he went through his reads I like most though in how they just came spaced out. His read on me similar to his read on me isn't really different from multiple others with the main added thing was the high activity mention. Overall the primary thing that helps is how the read came.

Why is Deas weak town?

Mainly his questioning on the meta thing felt genuine. Partly I'm used to DV posting like this too.

Why is Snow weak town?

Agree to emp's reasoning on him.

Is your townread of Baby really that strong?

Yes

P-edit: I can't remember myself white knighted much on site. I did have a town read and was correct on it on someone who did in the past though. And again remember how me white knighting piggy wasn't called a scum tell for me? And how you're using it against her now (well at least leaning towards it). I think I can tell when white knighting is a decent idea and when it's just dumb considering I do it a lot.

P-edit 2: Tammy I can the same thing to you and have mentioned that before. I disagree with it and that's likely the best you'll have me say on it.

P-edit 3: You can somehow pin point scum with a range of one on that list (like MoI and DV).

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*...I can say the same...

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Rofl want to answer who's scum if I'm town?

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It takes a minute to do for my supposed scum buddies so what about the reverse?

And tammy before you respond to that let's make this clear: Can you comprehend the idea of disagreeing with something even after hearing the explanation repeatedly? Since somehow I have to understand joh's vote is town when I disagree or I'm ignoring the reasons why it's best.

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Why not? It won't kill you to answer a simple question even if your sure I'm scum.

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No I haven't.

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If it's a hammer intent too then sure.

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Tammy what's your read on the three nulls I have?

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I'm at least happy that you're pushing Vi. So what is AA read wise? It can't actually be probably town if I'm making her look worse enough to be a good kill.

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I also said I'd claim with an actual hammer intent.

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I'd have claimed when the one time I did without a hammer intent I got yelled at? Yeah unlikely and I prefer forcing a hammer intent myself.

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I think it makes more sense if I'm town since he's speculating on what to do in a scenario that wouldn't appear.

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I could see scum with Mehdi-town pretending to think he's scum doing it though.

Could occur, but I just think it's less likely.

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Which means what if I'm town?

I think the main vi scum tell looking at it is me and AA are the only scum reads he's ever given during this phase (if you count AA as one of his scum reads).

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Point being? It's part BoP like I said before.

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I'd also argue his scum reads are pretty much the easiest people to fos currently so effort wise I don't see as much I'd expect from Vi.

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Claim wise I don't need to claim since if that's a hammer I'm dead and if not then back to wanting an actual hammer intent. If I am dead main thing is spice is still town and the idea of her white knighting me when it just isn't worth doing nor is it worth continuing the argument with joh makes her town. Tammy I know I've white knighted, but still the way she did it just wasn't scum motivated since the benefit wasn't likely to occur if she disagrees on other things too.

Vi really needs to be pressured more. The meta on Vi I don't know, but what I do know is a. she's pushing the vig thing strangely, b. she never answered me or SAD really on her vote on me, and c. hasn't shown much effort really when it comes to pushing people.

rofl I have a feeling you'll use that list of scum anyway when I flip town if I do right now. Don't. It's a dumb idea and I'm also fairly sure DV and MoI are town (the nulls are fine lynches though except kingmaker being null is partly he hasn't said enough nice but what he has said is fine).

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That mostly covers what I want to say if I'm dead beyond while I don't expect that reads list to be fully accurate, I do want to say not to lynch the top 5 town reads + DV without more reasoning beyond something like maybe he was white knighting me or maybe he's using too many words when that's his meta.

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A. So Vi has given one scum read (two if you think AA counts) and isn't considered very scummy for that?
B. I've had one scum read before more then once on day 1. Having a ton of weak scum reads isn't really better then having one strong scum read.

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I love how pure meta is the argument. So he's always really lazy as town to not ever explain an fos (mine isn't explained and AA not really)?

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K back to he's given so reasons for an fos and while it's ok for him to have only one scum read I have to have multiple?

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So the rest of me scummy is? Questioning to hear things is something I already responded to as an fos that simply is something I like to do as both alignments.

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And really your defense of Vi is just he currently fits his town meta. I still find the idea of needing multiple scum reads as dumb if it means just make them up.

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I always read. The two things you said for me needing rope are a. One scum read and b. Saying I was asking a question without using it to read someone. Both I responded to. You can also throw in I reek scum and the response is I could care less for a vague attack.

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Yeah I feel pretty happy that two of my strong town reads are in your pool of death and I continue not to get a good reason for Vi town.

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Link to this please … I don’t think it was me in either of our common games.

Why did you claim before someone stated intent to hammer? Ugh you fucking twit.

Can you explain the AA feeling joh (or the spice feeling assuming it's not the fact she'd defending me)?

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So I'm not a double voter

And what was the intent of that then since I don't think I'd ever have fully believed it (plus I prefer to act town after being really hammered for fun as scum)?

rofl if you're referring to NS's hammer intent for if I'm not lynched sure I'm vanilla.

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Or posts after that basically agreeing with it. And it was my first game and from it I'm pretty sure I've never claimed without a hammer intent (mainly since I like having someone be willing to say it and deal with the claim).

P-edit: Point being? The one other time I was VT I did the same thing lynch wise. The one time I didn't which you just saw I got yelled at.

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I'm not going to claim if I don't have an intent to hammer.

Fela, vanilla townie.

Didn't take so long to get the hammer intent though.

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I claimed already. This is why I get annoyed when I have to repeat things so much. SAD even fosed the claim and I defended that too already.

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Unlikely to occur. The if refers to NS's way of hammer intent (since he can't hammer me if I was dead).