Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[Cheery Dog]

Assuming you're still here, what is the time difference in relation to points D & F?

(start is in regards to medhi replacing out tomorrow)

I'd be happy with post number/quote of the town tell of nic for my answer.

[Human Destroyer]

Now going into that the main reason I personally have hd as scum (and els has said other stuff I think) is the way he's argued several things. Multiple times he's done more to try to make his argument seem better or longer then focus on the important thing or continuously fight back everything which reminds me of his play in my mini that ended a couple days ago. His argument style in this game is more I can argue better and respond more then focus on the meaning of things (most noticeable case is the things where he isos people and includes posts he thinks are town or most of the time any argument on something he'll attack back vs discuss or question as much).

Um...I hard lurked that game and didn't really argue much.

Nor did I make a single case.

So...???

Also meta tells don't work unless you have town meta to check too, so...try again.

[NicCage]

Medhi, will you be around long enough to answer my questions?

[CityElectric]

No votes have changed since votecount 2.4

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-02-21 20:00:00).

Jennifer will be V/LA until 19-02
Klick will be V/LA until 18-02
borkjerfkin will be V/LA until 18-02

KX and serrapaladin have been prodded.

[NicCage]

i am confused with the post above...
so you think Hydra is scummy but the fact a scum & Serra(who you didn't mention scum or town) votes Jacob makes Jacob less scum? What kind of logic is that?

Things you need to clear up

Hydra - Do you think or do you have good reasons to consider hydra scum? State the reasons
Jacob- Apart from your theory of Hydra's vote and Serra vote makes him town, do you have anything else?
And what do you think of Serra?

What I think of serra should be obvious, I'm nearly certain he is scum, which is why I'm voting him.

The meaning of my post is that since I believe serra and hydra to be scum then there isn't any room for more scum.
I can't really read jacob, but it doesn't seem to me that he is particularly scummy. Since my only two scumreads wanted to vote him i thought that made it more likely that jacob is town.

I've made posts during this day explaining why I think the hydra is scum, I can find them for you later, if you like.

[KX]

Given the small amount of time remaining, I think we should probably get a wagon started. From what I can tell, there are quite a few different wagons, so some kind of compromise will have to be reached. I personally think HD would be the best lynch, though one on Serra, the Hydra, or Nic I would support. Also, both thanks to the Hydra for their answer, and a question, since the heads seem conflicted, which will be deciding their vote? Anyway, I guess I'll

Vote: HD

for now, do to a lack of such votes already, and reasoning being in addition to what's been said before that I think it would provide information. Also, as I may be wrong in my reasoning, if somebody could make a quick case against all the main targets, no walls or anything, just a few lines saying why, that would be great.

[Human Destroyer]

If you lynch me, serra dies tomorrow

[Human Destroyer]

Then when serra flips scum the hydra (or Els if that's what ends up happening) or Jacob dies after

Plsthx

[KX]

Alright HD, will do.

[Docteur Gudsight]

I didn't want to vote until Mehdi came back, but given it seems i'm on my own from now, let's do this.

I'll let me tempt myself with the very tasty HD wagon. Jacob could be a very good backup wagon.

Vote: HD

~ Els

(i will not change account, i don't have any concurrent games, so i think it is better for everyone that i stay on this account)

[Docteur Gudsight]

there are quite a few different wagons, so some kind of compromise will have to be reached. I personally think HD would be the best lynch, though one on Serra, the Hydra, or Nic I would support

So basically, you have no opinion on the Nic/HD vs serra/me recent debate, and you just want to lynch any? Hrmf.

[KX]

More like it makes you all seem possible scum, and so I'm voting the one who I think is most likely to be scum and most helpful if they're not. I think I've shown through my defenses of Serra that I disagree with HD, though I'll admit they do have a few points that aren't completely invalid. On you/Mehdi, if it Mehdi alone I'd probably consider you town, so. Nic I believe I've mentioned as suspicious before, and so the end result is two people who I think lean more town then scum, and two people who lean more scum then town. By lynching one of the group, I think it's likely we'll get the information to break the lock, and so any of the four I'd be willing to vote.

[NicCage]

I'd really prefer serra, I would accept Hydra. I don't think that lynching Jacob will give us that much information so I don't really want to lynch him. The only way that I would lynch HD is to prevent a no lynch.

[Docteur Gudsight]

Assuming you're still here, what is the time difference in relation to points D & F?

I'm not fully sure what you're asking but the nic town tell I was referring to is this (reason why it was is back in that wall in whichever one talked about nic):

No. I think you could be scum with serra

Just to be clear, the no was for the jacob wagon being better. I realize now from rereading your posts that you might not have gotten that. So when I was talking about accusations I meant the Jacob wagon.

So it came after day 1. As for how you being on us earlier on is a town tell now that's really just re-thinking things.

HD you had people like norl fos you for the way you argued. That argument applies here as well. Whenever someone gave multiple reasons for you scum like slandaar or norl you tended to argue everything where it seemed more argue for the sake of it to be the last responded similar to how you argue everything here. A case you might not have done but the idea you're focusing on arguing look thorough and last response over meaning still applies fully.

Nic I don't honestly know which question you're referring to. I responded to cheery's thing on whether I checked your iso in the wall and read wise for some of the serra questions I think is also covered in that wall.

And to CS this account will essentially become els since I'd like to replace out (so don't worry about a replacement).

~Mehdi

[ArcAngel9]

If you lynch me, serra dies tomorrow

What is this thread suppose to me? How is it connected?

[CityElectric]

And to CS this account will essentially become els since I'd like to replace out (so don't worry about a replacement).

~Mehdi

Noted. I take it you'll keep posting under this account, els?

[Docteur Gudsight]

And to CS this account will essentially become els since I'd like to replace out (so don't worry about a replacement).

~Mehdi

Noted. I take it you'll keep posting under this account, els?

Yes.

[Cheery Dog]

If you lynch me, serra dies tomorrow

I hate 1v1s, stop doing them because I als don't like following through with them after people die.

Assuming you're still here, what is the time difference in relation to points D & F?

I'm not fully sure what you're asking but the nic town tell I was referring to is this (reason why it was is back in that wall in whichever one talked about nic):

I was asking about it terms of when I asked a question at the start of the day, and that covers that you hadn't had a town tell from him before you made comment of Els's reasoning.

[Docteur Gudsight]

(sigh)

Can someone explain me why is it so freaking important whether mehdi had or not a read on NicCage before quoting what i said in the hydra topic?

Because apart from being a GIANT DISTRACTION, it is absolutely and totally irrelevant.

Can we move to useful stuff now, like lynching HD?

Thanks,

~ Els

[Human Destroyer]

Yep, lynch me on a meta case based on exactly one scum game of mine without looking at a single town game

You'll go far [/sarcasm]

[Human Destroyer]

Votecount 1.5

Josh Lyman (L-2):

KX, ArcAngel9, Human Destroyer, NicCage, Venrob

Venrob (L-4):

goodmorning, Cheery Dog, serrapaladin

Klick (L-5):

Klick, JacobSavage

Not voting (3):

Spencer22, Josh Lyman, Docteur Gudsight

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Votecount 1.6

Josh Lyman (L-1):

KX, ArcAngel9, Human Destroyer, NicCage, Venrob, Docteur Gudsight

Venrob (L-4):

goodmorning, Cheery Dog, serrapaladin

Klick (L-6):

JacobSavage

Not voting (4):

Spencer22, Josh Lyman, Klick

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

ArcAngel9 has been prodded. I'm still looking for a replacement for Spencer22

Also, happy birthday, Human Destroyer!

Votecount 1.7

Josh Lyman (L-1):

KX, Human Destroyer, NicCage, Venrob, Docteur Gudsight, goodmorning

Venrob (L-4):

goodmorning, Cheery Dog, serrapaladin

Klick (L-6):

JacobSavage

goodmoring (L-6):

ArcAngel9

Not voting (3):

Panzerjager, Josh Lyman, Klick

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Josh Lyman hasn't picked up his prod, and as such, will be replaced.

GOODMORNING WAS NOT THE COUNTERWAGON TO JOSH LYMAN

VENROB WAS

THE HYDRA'S DEFENSE IS COMPLETELY FUCKING WRONG

[Docteur Gudsight]

^ And this is why HD must hang.

Permanently faking "scumhunting" while all it does is distording facts and arguing to overpush weak cases.

OH REALLY JOSH/JENNIFER WASN'T A COUNTERWAGON TO GOODMORNING?

Votecount 1.10

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage

goodmoring (L-4):

ArcAngel9, Jennifer, Panzerjager

JacobSavage (L-4):

Human Destroyer, serrapaladin, borkjerfkin

ArcAngel9 (L-6):

goodmorning

Not voting (2):

Klick, KX

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Votecount 1.11

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage

JacobSavage (L-4):

serrapaladin, borkjerfkin, Jennifer

Panzerjager (L-4):

Human Destroyer, goodmorning

goodmoring (L-5):

ArcAngel9, Panzerjager

Not voting (2):

Klick, KX

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Sorry for the lack of vote counts yesterday. I've been busy.

Votecount 1.12

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage

goodmoring (L-4):

ArcAngel9, Panzerjager, Klick

JacobSavage (L-4):

serrapaladin, borkjerfkin, Jennifer

Panzerjager (L-5):

Human Destroyer, goodmorning

Not voting (1):

KX

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Votecount 1.13

goodmorning (L-1):

Klick, Panzerjager, serrapaladin, KX, ArcAngel9, Jennifer

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage

Panzerjager (L-5):

goodmorning, Human Destroyer

JacobSavage (L-6):

borkjerfkin

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Votecount 1.14

goodmorning (Lynch!):

Klick, Panzerjager, serrapaladin, KX, ArcAngel9, Jennifer, borkjerfkin

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage

Panzerjager (L-5):

goodmorning, Human Destroyer

Not voting (0):

A lynch has been reached. The game is now in twilight. You're allowed to post and discuss the game until I get the flip up, however, votes will no longer be counted, nor can you change them in any way.

[ArcAngel9]

HD, What do you mean by if you die, Serra dies. How is it works. Explain?

[NicCage]

(sigh)

Can someone explain me why is it so freaking important whether mehdi had or not a read on NicCage before quoting what i said in the hydra topic?

Because apart from being a GIANT DISTRACTION, it is absolutely and totally irrelevant.

Can we move to useful stuff now, like lynching HD?

Thanks,

~ Els

It's important because it doesn't make sense for a town player who puts thought into their actions to completely ignore an established read based on next to no evidence (unless you had much more than what you showed me). If Medhi had no read on me then it would make more sense that he would take your word for it.

[Cheery Dog]

(sigh)

Can someone explain me why is it so freaking important whether mehdi had or not a read on NicCage before quoting what i said in the hydra topic?

Because apart from being a GIANT DISTRACTION, it is absolutely and totally irrelevant.

Can we move to useful stuff now, like lynching HD?

Thanks,

~ Els

I'm trying to work out if your hydra is faking being on the same wavelength or whether you do actually have that much confidence in each other.