Micro 213 - Scumhunter's Speed [GAME OVER]

[Bertkerberos]

VOTE: Makiavel

[Bertkerberos]

MAN FUCK THIS VOTE

[Bertkerberos]

VOTE: LUCKY2U

VOTE: JKMatthews

Let's keep it going!

man this couldn't sound any more fake
scummiest thing in thread, time to quicklynch and make scum lovers
gogogogogo

[Bertkerberos]

2 more votes, one more step closer to a beautiful, beautiful win.

[Bertkerberos]

Mod, I like your last rule. will do

you seem like a very nice person.

[Bertkerberos]

MAN FUCK THIS VOTE

Hell yes!

Nacho has got swag!

Hell yes

[Bertkerberos]

For the record: if I vote for you and cite a reason for it without saying the word policy, it's usually because I think you are scum and want you to die

And you are telling us this....WHY? Methinks it's because you don't want to be incriminated for voting without a reason, which is a terrible type of vote.

[Bertkerberos]

I'm saying that because lucky insinuated that my vote for him was based on policy.
My votes should never be interpreted that way if I don't say so.

OK, but you are taking his words too seriously. It's RVS.

Bert speaks the truth. I am the scummiest thing in a game usually.

Why do you feel the need to self-meta for yourself?

[Bertkerberos]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fifty Ways
Forcing it wayyyyy too much for my liking.

Bert is the towniest thing since towned bread.

How can you have us as townie so quickly? And to that extent??

Fishy.

Vote: JKMatthews

[Bertkerberos]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fifty Ways
Forcing it wayyyyy too much for my liking.

Bert is the towniest thing since towned bread.

How can you have us as townie so quickly? And to that extent??

Fishy.

Vote: JKMatthews

woah woah calm down man it's ok.
it's ok.

Vote: Samuel L. Jackson

scum as fuck and it makes me sad
i wanted to have a solid game and you just had to be scum

[Bertkerberos]

UNVOTE: kcdaspot
VOTE: Bertkerberos

You got that from an RVS vote?

I'M THE GUNS OF THE NAVARONE!

bolded is samuel jackson wondering how i caught him so fast and trying to play off the rest with an awkward joke

[Bertkerberos]

I WANNA HAVE FUN, BUT THE GAME ISN'T FUNNY YET. HELP MOD PLEASE.

sorry it's not funny yet!
do you wanna sheep me while you figure things out so this scum is a little closer to death?

[Bertkerberos]

we can lynch maki mañani

Can't you like let me chill a bit. Mafias have access to the mafia QT for 48 hours, I don't feel like discussing game stuff yo.

Really? Well, no need to cave into this pressure anymore.

What are you scared of them talking about?

The deadline for them has elapsed by looking at the deadline, so we should be safe now.

Get comfy <3

[Bertkerberos]

guysss

guysss what

[Bertkerberos]

we can lynch maki mañani

Can't you like let me chill a bit. Mafias have access to the mafia QT for 48 hours, I don't feel like discussing game stuff yo.

This is such a weak reaction to being (barely) pressured.

"Mafia, they gonna talk game about me, help me...leave me alone till the 48 hours elapses"

Stalling tactic is a no-go...more likely "HOLD ON, let me go talk to my buddies and see what strategy for defending myself is"

Vote: Makiavel

[Bertkerberos]

Mod: Can Xegarus and JKMatthews be prodded?

Done

[Bertkerberos]

#88 is quite a bit of AtE. I'll let Nacho sort that out and say what he thinks about Makiavel's self-defeatist attitude and/or paranoia about the 48 hour scum day-talk. I'm leaning scum

Xegarus seems like a strong player. I'm finding him town so far.

Fifty is a little tunnely on Lucky...I read Fifty as town so far.

Samuel Jackson is like an energizer bunny. Null so far, need to see more.

JKMatthews needs to get his butt in here and say more. null but scummy with how he/she read us as town so quickly, but really not enough to go on at this point

Bert speaks the truth. I am the scummiest thing in a game usually.

More than anything, I dislike this comment. It's giving him/herself a way out for his scummy behavior. Not good. Leaning scum.

Kcdaspot - I read a few of his/her past games, and this person quits rather easily and can be quite fiery...so his reaction in this game (or overreaction) isn't anything to gape at....town so far

Anyways, I'll let Nacho sort this out, but

Scum: <Makiavel, Lucky2U>

Null/leaning scum: <JKMatthews>

Null: <Samuel Jackson>

Town: <Kcdaspot, Xegarus, Fifty Ways>

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

#88 is quite a bit of AtE. I'll let Nacho sort that out and say what he thinks about Makiavel's self-defeatist attitude and/or paranoia about the 48 hour scum day-talk. I'm leaning scum

nacho says town

Vote: Samuel L. Jackson

, king of the scum.

[Bertkerberos]

Shit guys, sorry. Weekend got way bigger than expected. My head's throbbing and I need to post in a bunch of games, but for now I'll
VOTE: Bert

More depth when I find time at work tomorrow (in 14ish hours), but generally he/she/it/they seem(s) pretty happy to sow seeds of doubt and vote pretty chaotically without committing to much.

Post 95 has 3 people as scum or scummy, Sam Jackson as null, then the next post has a Sam Jackson vote...

Need I remind you that we are two people, and 93 was Bert (hence my signature) while 94 was Nacho (hence the "nacho says town" comment)?

I'm mostly ignoring fifty because I don't like getting into a defensive posture, wasting my time answering those questions and not reading others.

Are you kidding me. That's a terrible answer. Come again?

Get in your defensive posture now, unless you want a vote plastered on you.

[Bertkerberos]

EBWOP: There is a difference between "I don't want to defend against a case that is utterly baseless and empty" and "I just don't want to get into a defensive posture." The latter is bad, you have to defend yourself.

[Bertkerberos]

Soooooo.......

Fifty Ways is Psyche, huh?

Why hello there, Psyche <3

[Bertkerberos]

Do talk to me now

don't you run away from me now

[Bertkerberos]

catching up momentarily....

please wait <3

[Bertkerberos]

OK, I caught up with the last exchange between JKMatthews and Fifty Ways/Psyche.

Fifty is pretty town. Still don't like JKMatthews. (gut feelings)

Nacho is the driving force, so I will let him evaluate.

Deadline's in two days, gentlemen. What are we going to do?

Why are you asking us? What do you think

[Bertkerberos]

Can we lynch this, please?

Make your own case.

Not liking Samuel either, Nacho.

[Bertkerberos]

Nacho doing protown things:

Fifty Ways:
I think that the push on lucky is passionate in a town way. There's no real reasons why Fifty Ways as scum would push lucky as hard as he is if lucky is town; the townflip will be a huge loss of cred and there's no way 50 would go down at night by fellow scummates. Deciding to play the compromise game when no one else would budge also seems extraordinarily protown, and seeing Maki town when I did was also a good sign.

JKM:

Bert is the towniest thing since towned bread.

Shit guys, sorry. Weekend got way bigger than expected. My head's throbbing and I need to post in a bunch of games, but for now I'll
VOTE: Bert

This doesn't make much sense, but it seems like a town move to me: normally when scum make a statement like that, they are careful not to rescind it two posts later.

His thought processes also make different sense; his constant gut pinging on Fifty being "forced" sort of makes sense based on writing style, and I thought that his switch on us was decently explained; not understanding the hidden thought processes of Nacho while being intensely confused about Bert. Him engaging Fifty Ways's s tunneling self was also pretty genuine, pretty town. Like.

kcda is town enough he makes me laugh

My post was two hours after day start. You dwelling on my RVS vote on the other hand is costing us most of this day.

oh god i missed this bullshit.
"you focusing on me is making us lose!!" is not a good response to suspicion.

VOTE: makiavel

This wouldn't be a bad place to start.

voting here with strong fifty scum suspicions doesn't make shit for sense.

I don't think I've ever been tunneled by a player as hard as fifty is tunneling me. I kind of want to flip now just to show how wrong he is. I mean at this point, he has committed so hard to me that he will probably get lynched for it tomorrow when I flip town today. If we get to the deadline and have no lynch, feel free to vote me. I'll look for an alternative.

don't like this either, doesn't remind me of normal lucky meltdowns
consider me game for a lucky wagon

we can lynch maki mañani

Can't you like let me chill a bit. Mafias have access to the mafia QT for 48 hours, I don't feel like discussing game stuff yo.

This is such a weak reaction to being (barely) pressured.

"Mafia, they gonna talk game about me, help me...leave me alone till the 48 hours elapses"

Stalling tactic is a no-go...more likely "HOLD ON, let me go talk to my buddies and see what strategy for defending myself is"

Vote: Makiavel

Lol no. I legitimately think that discussing the game when they could easily think of a counter plan is stupid.

^^^town

ITT Bert goes for the easy mislynch. Vote stands.

currently trying to get us lynched for voting him early.
is he scum?
yes.

xegarus is ok and good enough for today not to be lynched D1

[Bertkerberos]

UNVOTE: Bertkerberos though you'd think a three-headed town hydra would be more proactive, but hey
VOTE: Lucky2u because I don't have the time you lot have to power post and I'm not all that persuasive

It's two-headed, as Syryana has never even logged onto this hydra.

With that said,

Vote: Lucky2u

[Bertkerberos]

Fine fifty, since this is just going to continue like this if I make it to day two anyway, I'll respond to your case: I'm town.

If you have any specific question go ahead and ask now and I will answer but it will probably be along the lines of "Because".

EBWOP: This is just not acceptable. Hence my vote on you.

[Bertkerberos]

Okay.. All three wagons are worth something but jackson is atleast maybe a little more towny feelin than the other 2.

Commit to one wagon or another! So we can gain more info once a lynch is reached...we need a commitment from you towards one read over the other.

Which is 2nd most townie feeling? Who do you want lynched today?

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

though you'd think a three-headed town hydra would be more proactive, but hey

Is there a reason you never mentioned this before?

[Bertkerberos]

Are you just trying to butter me up...?

you are so town man
never change

[Bertkerberos]

UNVOTE: Bertkerberos though you'd think a three-headed town hydra would be more proactive, but hey
VOTE: Lucky2u because I don't have the time you lot have to power post and I'm not all that persuasive

It's two-headed, as Syryana has never even logged onto this hydra.

With that said,

Vote: Lucky2u

he usually logs onto the hydra after we win our games, for the record

[Bertkerberos]

VOTE: Samuel
Just iso this guy.
Has done NOTHING. Just 6 posts of noise.

Samuel, why ARE you voting Bert anyway?
Cause all I see in your iso is OMGUS.
Now at the time I didn't agree with Berts case against you, but a bad case =/= scum.

15 hours left as i'm posting this.
I wont be able to post till the end of the day so......
Maki, stfu with your post 180.
Apart from saying what i said, at the time you voted it didnt apply.
Infact, you haven't even mentioned Samuel at all until now. Yet your vote has been on him for no reason since post 54.

VOTE: Maki

Everyone sheep me.

This transition is bad, and you should feel bad.

Scumreads (gut):

<Xegarus> - Strong gut-scum read

<Lucky2u> - (med) scumread

<kcdaspot, Fifty Ways> - bleeding obvtown

I'm very conflicted about everyone else...I'll leave the rest for Nacho to sort out...Nacho is the driving force in the hydra...I'm just a gut reader that gets lynched a lot as an individual player. I'm really confident in Xegarus-scum, but I don't build cases usually (because I suck at them).

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

I'm afraid your case just reminded me why I'm not voting maki.

Being overly self-conscious is just a tic of his.

Nacho says Maki's paranoia makes him town as fuck

[Bertkerberos]

Will the scum faction have a nk on night 2 either way?

I'm pretty sure the game becomes nightless after N1, so no more scum faction NK's??

[Bertkerberos]

Now, last I counted, Lucky is at lynch -1.

Someone HAMMER the scumbag please!

[Bertkerberos]

DO IT CUZ IT'S GOOD FOR YA

- Bert

Nacho hasn't been here today but I have been here and lay down the hamma brotha

THE BALL IS IN YOUR HANDS

[Bertkerberos]

I'LL DANCE WITH YA.......... <3333



Do it for this precious llama??? You know you want to....

[Bertkerberos]

you're at lynch -1

and everybody's else's votes don't matter

Lucky2u: Fifty, Bert, Makia, Samuel (4)

1 2 3 4

4

[Bertkerberos]

a successful lynch means losing 1 scum and probably our best town

but imagine what it would be like if samuel was lovers with the competent scum partner

[Bertkerberos]

Want reads ? ok

Nacho has swag, that's my first read.
Bert is a very legit straightforward person, He's a gut feeling person he says, same as me. WE'RE BRO HOES.
Xeg is a noob.

anyway, seriously, I'm bad at reads but w/e

Nacho seems town, however Bert is null, he bases himself too much on gut and gets overexcited very quickly, it doesn't make him look very good, so far he's town though.

JK is scummish, the whole arguing with Fifty while keeping a vote on Bert for reasons he has yet to explain sure doesn't look good. He said he'd explain why his vote was there, but he failed to do so in my opinion.

Lucky's scum , "I'm usually the most scummiest player in a game" looks like he's trying to give himself a reason for looking scummy and making mistakes, votes on me at #67 with as a reason "that wouldn't be a bad place to start" which is no valid reason. Also the only thing I had done before was sheeping Bert & delay the game, which was THE SAME THING he did. Therefore no valid reason to vote if you were in his mind. He has yet to give reasons and relies on others to justify his choice, kind of following people & taking opportunities I'd say.

Fifty's the most active person and most likely to be town in my opinion also he's keeping the game alive, which is good. A bit too much of defending me for something that happened in another game so it might make him look scum if you believe I am. I can assure you that I'm not and unless he wants to buddy me (which wouldn't really make much sense, it puts him in the spotlight), then he's town.

Xeg, you're not looking scum, you're mostly null, however your reasoning lacks and while I believe you're most likely looking town, you cause the village to fail, that's about all I've got to say 'bout you.

Kcdas : Null, leaning scum. Only reason I don't call him scum is the fact he gave no reason as to why he votes people. Calls his vote on me a RVS, then says he's up to lynch me 130%, never mentionned ONE reason about it.

Samuel : same as Kcdas.

Anyway, my case's stronger for Lucky, and since I don't want villagers to lose me, I'll VOTE: Lucky, thnk u

kcda can you quote lucky's equivalent post?

[Bertkerberos]

because i don't think you can.

[Bertkerberos]

Not surprised that 3 of the 4 people we suspect the most are on the Maki wagon. *shrug*

Everyone on the lucky wagon please hold on tight and don't budge please! Then the tie will be broken by seniority of the last vote, according to the opening post of the thread. So we got it, we're good.

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

Fair enough. I think I may have to finally concede that there is a reasonable chance you're town, and so without that paranoia

I can see a Lucky lynch being ok. I'd still rather not, but Lucky's most recent posts have been atrocious, and if it'll get us to a lynch consider me on board.

Guys, seriously, how the hell are we not lynching Maki?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maki
His responses in the last 24 hours have been just awful.

Sure, it seems like there's a pretty good chance on Lucky

, but Maki's 100% as far as I can tell...

Yes... which means if lucky is scum and Maki is town, the other scum on lucky's wagon would move to Maki's wagon then kill themself off to dodge the white flag.

If the lucky lynch goes through, I expect to see a town flip

... so if one of the lucky wagoners is on about 5 minutes before the deadline, might I recommend a move?
OR all 3 scum are on the Maki wagon, but I just can't see Xeg as scum...
OR both wagons are on scum... which I suppose is possible...

What the heck? How do you go from "there's a pretty good chance of Lucky being scum, not 100% though like Maki" to "I expect to see a town flip if the lucky lynch goes through"....in such a short span of time?? If Lucky's posts have been atrocious, what explains your all of a sudden townread on him?

My views have not changed much. Thinking for scum:

<Xegarus, Lucky, JK>

[Bertkerberos]

yeah...

I'm intrigued by the prospect of hitting scum today because then it becomes White Flag.

That sort of entices me, despite the trade of scum for a strong townie.

[Bertkerberos]

Nacho from what he said umm...

he doesn't like: Xegarus, Samuel, Lucky2u

His townreads (strong): Fifty Ways because you are Psyche (I don't even know you, but I trust his read), Kcdaspot

He has a townread on JK and Makia apparently too..

P-edit: so what changes about your perception of D1 now, Psyche?

[Bertkerberos]

yesssssssss 20 minutes left and no movement

now thatta way, town

atta boy

[Bertkerberos]

Samuel's the only one that might budge. Hopefully he's not here watching at all if he's scum

hahahahaha

[Bertkerberos]

Bert - do you honestly not see the logic behind my assuming no move means Lucky's town?
(just to clarify - seniority breaking ties means Lucky is lynched, right? Otherwise my logic falls apart...)

what's your logic

[Bertkerberos]

both wagons could be scum too. did you discount that

[Bertkerberos]

I see Xeg as scum, you don't.

that's where our differences lie

If lucky is scum, then of course scum wouldn't rush to hammer a buddy

Makia is probably town, and therefore scum are on that wagon, not on Lucky's wagon...

Fifty Ways, Makia, and I are likely town. The only wildcard is Samuel Jackson

[Bertkerberos]

I believe all 3 scum are on the Maki wagon

Only wildcard is Samuel Jackson, who MIGHT be scum.

BUT, he has not posted since he voted for Lucky early on in the day (before the Maki wagon even developed)...'

It boils down to PoE and strong townreads, like Psyche/Fifty said

Nacho and Psyche have pretty similar reads and strong townreads

[Bertkerberos]

Either way, Lucky might not be scum, but Makia is more likely to be town (in Nacho's eyes) than Lucky.

At least that's how I think of it.

Actually, Fifty,

kcdaspot's exchange and posturing and refusal to vote Lucky2u (it was painful to witness) - I see what you're seeing. I see it. It is noted <3

[Bertkerberos]

I can't vote Maki. Nacho already said Maki is town as heck. I actually agree with him....and he usually has solid reads anyway, more often than not.

He thinks Lucky is scum. I do too. That's all there is to it :/

[Bertkerberos]

Maki is town town town town town town town town.

Vote: Samuel L. Jackson

partner is *probably* xegarus, but who cares at the moment.

[Bertkerberos]

Power of voting and all is now in Nacho's hands. #273 was Nacho.

The way Samuel has been reacting since being called scum is what makes Nacho sure of Samuel as scum.

Mamma and I (Pappa)both talked after D1 about how Kcdaspot's posturing looked bad and Nacho said he would keep an eye on him

With it being nightless now, we hope to live happily ever after.

Nacho's first guess as to who would suicide N1 was Sam aka Samuel.

I also don't like Xegarus, but am 100% for Samuel being lynched. Sweet dreams, scumbags. You ain't gonna kill any of us at nite no more.

Boohoo

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

Urrrghhhhhh...

Maki is town because of some interpretation of that happening that I missed, or still residual from yesterday?

Nacho and I both hoped that if Maki is scum, that he would suicide.

However, his first guess was Samuel for suicide.

He says he will explain why Maki is town tomorrow, and that he will post tomorrow

He gave me his word.

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

I knew he was acting weird <3

I don't think the NK rules Maki out in and of itself, but there is also the fact that kc stuck to the maki wagon like glue. We'll see how he plays today.

Kcda would not have suicided for any reason if he believed he could make it to the end. KC's push on maki, if kc was scum with maki, would mean that he was either A) confident that there was no way in hell Maki was actually getting lynched, or B) thought that he could pull it out with the cred gained from maki being lynched. The fact that he suicided AND my own personal knowledge of kcda's interpretation of his scumgame tells me that B) is not an option, and I think based on yesterday it would've been pretty easy for Maki to get lynched if someone changed their mind. In any case, Maki is not someone I'm at all interested in today, based on that. If something CRAZY HAPPENS then maybe Maki can be brought back into the fold, but not now.

[Bertkerberos]

But thats the "obvious" implication so they could try to use that against us.
Maybe by killing off someone who wasnt the most vulnerable.


VOTE: Maki

Nacho, convince me.

why am I convincing you?
why are you ignoring me thinking that you are very very scum?

[Bertkerberos]

VOTE: Maki

I have zero motivation to play this game.
You guys should probably lynch me so I stop being dead weight.

Is there a reason you're voting Maki?

[Bertkerberos]

Xegarus and JKMatthews need prods soon (32 and 43 hours) respectively since their last posts, although Im not sure how the weekend counts as a total per hour.

Catching up here, but Samuel #286 is terrible.

That's the best defense you have...

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

Vote: Xegarus

[Bertkerberos]

I would like to take this beautiful opportunity to let you beautiful townspeople know that #292 was beautiful Nacho's vote (not stupid Bert's) and that Nacho believes Xegarus to be an excellent lynch today and the most likely in his pretty little mind to turn scum.

So I with my stupidity urge you all to climb onto this beautiful beautiful bandwagon and make Nacho a very happy mamma.

Thank you.

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

No and no. Xeg is more likely town than Maki is, but that's scum's opinion according to you.

Cut out the 'tude. If you don't care about this game, then replace out. Simple as that.

Even if you're town and you get mislynched, the info you provide NOW, before you are lynched, will be valuable. How can you not see that right now

Why aren't you playing your own game, it's not like this game has been LONG and long-winded.

It has not.

[Bertkerberos]

VOTE: Maki

I have zero motivation to play this game.
You guys should probably lynch me so I stop being dead weight.

1) Why didn't you vote Maki on Day 1?

2) What has Maki done that is scummy in your eyes?

3) You didn't explain your vote

Bad, bad, bad. And you wonder why you are being read as scum by Nacho, and rightly so. *shrug*

[Bertkerberos]

HEY PSYCHE

HEY

STEP UP your friggin game

Why did you decide to bring your D+ game today and sit on the sidelines?



- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

Samuel L Jackson
Bertkerberos TOWN
Xegarus*
Makiavel* TOWN
Kcdaspot*
Fifty Ways TOWN
Lucky2u*
JKMatthews* TOWN

Two players dead by D2, one town, one scum.

5 v 3 -> 4 v 2

There are three unknowns left at this point, and room for 2 errors. One of those can be maki (let's face it), the other will be the last town among the bunch of non-town reads — Sam, Xeg, Kcda. But once we lynch these three we will surely win.

At the very least, I'll be able to say "I told you so" at endgame.

I feel like we have enough consensus townreads that we're destined to win either way. We're bound to have even better reads as the game goes on, and there are no venge mechanics or PRs to make the process more swingy.

Hey. What are your reads right now.

"I'M PSYCHE I'M TOWNIE I'M GONNA HAVE BETTER READS ON D2. WE GONNA BE IN GOOD SHAPE. A NK ON ME WOULD DISPEL ON PARANOIA IF LUCKY FLIPS SCUM"

was that all just an act???

Newsflash, if you're town, you need to comment on

1) Xegarus
2) EVERYONE ELSE

New reads list. Now.

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

what the hell is that, busser

[Bertkerberos]

hahahahahahahahahaha


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Psyche's on his main

Now answer my friggin question, busser

[Bertkerberos]

Btw nacho, you made the claim hence the burden of proof that Maki is town is on you to convince everyone.

#281.

He was mostly inactive for the game and would have been called out for it.

Yes. So why would he risk being made lovers with his surviving partner?

Would he have to have been confident?
Looked more like he was letting the dice roll.

Yes, he would have to have been confident.

Based on what exactly?

...the rest of the post you quoted...

Nice deflection.
You could almost fool someone and avoid my request.

I didn't avoid your request.

Nacho, why am i scum?
Cause youve said jack shit.

Right now I think you're scum because your day 1 trajectory (Lucky to Samuel to Maki) didn't make much sense at all. Your tunneling on Maki lately is also reading much more like scum than it is like town; you are missing my reasons for finding him town (or at least untouchable for today) and are pulling a "convince me, the burden of proof is on you!" even though it seems like you're already pretty set on Maki scum and don't actually want to talk.

[Bertkerberos]

50 ways

[Bertkerberos]

are you gonna vote xeg, or...?

[Bertkerberos]

Dearest Psyche,

Nacho's initial townread from D1 on you is running stale now

I have to admit I am not impressed with you today



you better come back

empty promises? lack of care? what is up with that

talk to me. why are you leaving Nacho hanging...you were just ignoring the question about whether you're going to vote Xeg

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

I don't know why I try.

I need to get caught up. Will be done within the next 6 hours. I promise to sheep you if I don't develop any strong scumreads.

Time to put your money where your mouth is

Been over 6 hours <3

A Xeg vote for Nacho please?

[Bertkerberos]

VOTE: Makiavel

Great point, JK

[Bertkerberos]

Pressuring Psyche to lynch with the threat of being read as scum?
Bert/Maki is seeming much more likely to me.

How can you discount the posts below from Psyche on D1, with regard to ultimatums/threats, and then decide to go after ME for a threat. Hypocrite:

vote Bert

Bert, here are your options:
1) Vote for lucky
2) Do something protown
3) abstain

Choice of 3) will result in your lynch.

Good luck.

Pretty happy with that.

vote Samuel

vote Bert

Sammy, here are your options:
1) Vote for lucky
2) Do something protown
3) abstain

Choice of 3) will result in your lynch.

Good luck.

[Bertkerberos]

Vote

Going to ponder this for a moment.

[Bertkerberos]

Vote: Makiavel

[Bertkerberos]

Psyche, mind telling me why you are all of a sudden being so coy?

Or so cryptic in your messages??

You're making me very, very paranoid. Does a change in username back to your main have you going back to acting how you usually act (of which, I don't know how you act on your main)?

[Bertkerberos]

You're here, lurking the heck out of the game, giving us nothing, and then telling us you'll catch up when you're here. Present. Almost every time I've posted anything.

Precision. What's up with that...

What's up with you

[Bertkerberos]

Unvote

reads please. Now. You WERE at lynch -1

[Bertkerberos]

Sorry to hear that. Wish you had told us a bit earlier; would have saved some GIFs and not-so-kind words

and a lot of confusion

is this why you get replaced out of so many of your past games?

[Bertkerberos]

No, actually, Nacho believes Maki to be town.

He would not be happy if I put a lynch -1 vote on Maki and he was subsequently hammered.

I need to speak to him first.

[Bertkerberos]

EBWOP: No, I honestly don't remember your deliberation...gonna look back one sec

[Bertkerberos]

Hold on I'm re-skimming/reading this game to make sure I'm looking at things in perspective.

Samuel's replace-out is kinda town to me. :/

JK is pretty town the way he stayed up till deadline and kept convincing me to vote Maki.

Using PoE here...

Psyche - laziness is kinda town..not sure

Leaves Xeg, Maki

<JKMatthews, Samuel Jackson> - Town

<Xeg, MAki, Psyche> - I'll lynch out of here. Nacho says that Psyche is to be left alive today, so Xeg or Maki for today.

Re-reading now. Brb

I got permission to vote Maki or Xeg as needed.

- Bert

[Bertkerberos]

no, maki is just bad

Trust me, I've mislynched him before.

Psyche, why have you mislynched Maki before. What is your opinion on him/her at this point

no, I'm saying that maki plays this way as town, and is playing that way right now. Come on.

I want to hear your opinion on Maki on D2. If you're town, do you really want to be a mislynch target tomorrow because you're being really lazy/indifferent?

Still reading. Going pgs 6-10 now.

[Bertkerberos]

I am in full agreement that every wagon active has some intelligible, and even intelligent basis.
I am very happy to treat the targets of these wagons with pressure in order to force the lucky lynch I've been advocating since p1
Or, at the very least, have some power over the direction of D1 as a lynch decider.
I didn't expect to actually achieve lucky's lynch and was quite okay with merely lynching sammy or whatshisface.
But ideals are ideals.
Lucky's recent posts have wiped some of the gloss off of this ideal,
But its shine is still brighter than that of the other wagons here,
And now it's within reach.
So I swipe for it.

I am concerned that you were going for such convenient wagons at the end of D1. I was in a daze and thinking you were super super obvtown on D1 after what Nacho told me about you. But really, you lynched someone you were very doubtful about and said there were no other real wagons you liked. So you were just going for a convenient target. Is that the best you can do?

This transition is bad, and you should feel bad.

No it isn't.
Maki's reason for why his vote was on Sam urked me and so i iso'd him. Then i found that he was the same as Sam, but worse cause he had posted more and thus had a greater opportunity to do something. Plus he is so opportunistic. Theres a difference between agreeing with someone and saying exactly what someone else had said. He found an easy reason to explain his vote, and took it.

Now Bert, let me guide you to the path.
*sheep.gif*

I'm starting to doubt my read on Xeg and am leaning towards Maki + Psyche as scum. This post of yours reads pretty town in retrospect. Feels like a genuine one.

Want reads ? ok

Nacho has swag, that's my first read.
Bert is a very legit straightforward person, He's a gut feeling person he says, same as me. WE'RE BRO HOES.
Xeg is a noob.

anyway, seriously, I'm bad at reads but w/e

Nacho seems town, however Bert is null, he bases himself too much on gut and gets overexcited very quickly, it doesn't make him look very good, so far he's town though.

JK is scummish, the whole arguing with Fifty while keeping a vote on Bert for reasons he has yet to explain sure doesn't look good. He said he'd explain why his vote was there, but he failed to do so in my opinion.

Lucky's scum , "I'm usually the most scummiest player in a game" looks like he's trying to give himself a reason for looking scummy and making mistakes, votes on me at #67 with as a reason "that wouldn't be a bad place to start" which is no valid reason. Also the only thing I had done before was sheeping Bert & delay the game, which was THE SAME THING he did. Therefore no valid reason to vote if you were in his mind. He has yet to give reasons and relies on others to justify his choice, kind of following people & taking opportunities I'd say.

Fifty's the most active person and most likely to be town in my opinion also he's keeping the game alive, which is good. A bit too much of defending me for something that happened in another game so it might make him look scum if you believe I am. I can assure you that I'm not and unless he wants to buddy me (which wouldn't really make much sense, it puts him in the spotlight), then he's town.

Xeg, you're not looking scum, you're mostly null, however your reasoning lacks and while I believe you're most likely looking town, you cause the village to fail, that's about all I've got to say 'bout you.

Kcdas : Null, leaning scum. Only reason I don't call him scum is the fact he gave no reason as to why he votes people. Calls his vote on me a RVS, then says he's up to lynch me 130%, never mentionned ONE reason about it.

Samuel : same as Kcdas.

Anyway, my case's stronger for Lucky, and since I don't want villagers to lose me, I'll VOTE: Lucky, thnk u

This post screams SCUM SCUM SCUM. I am kicking myself for overlooking this.

"YOU KNOW, YOURe MOSTLY NULL, BUT YOU KNOW YOURE TOWN, BUT YEAH TAHST ALL IVE GOT" So flip-floppy and noncommittal. Holy shit. Scum.

[Bertkerberos]

How can you discount the posts below from Psyche on D1, with regard to ultimatums/threats, and then decide to go after ME for a threat. Hypocrite

Do you remember how I engaged Psyche about that and after a lot of deliberation decided I didn't think it was scummy? Also I think you mean "inconsistent" rather than "hypocrite"... but even still it's not inconsistent...
Also you definitely seem to be bussing Maki... but that's possibly just confirmation bias creeping up on me again...

Nacho and I believe you are town.

I may have been wrong to have stuck my vote on Lucky so long rather than on Maki at the end of D1. Got permission just then to join the Maki wagon, so please keep your confirmation bias to your lovely little beautiful self.

Swinging for the fences here, let's lynch Maki.

VOTE: Makiavel

[Bertkerberos]

/fp

i give up

I'm very wary/cautious/suspicious about people who just throw in the towel just like that. Put up a fight.

If you're going to start arguing that ambivalence is scummy, I'm going to start thinking more critically about your alliance.

Oh yeah? How about start now lol

You walk into D2 and are a wallflower for the majority of the day so far, and this is the first constructive thing you've said SINCE the END of D1. And you expect me to be happy with you. Psshh, don't hold your breath.

[Bertkerberos]

Vote: Xegarus

I will wait and see what Nacho has to say about your catch up posts.

I'm satisfied but he may not be.

[Bertkerberos]

Hi Psyche are you here

[Bertkerberos]

That mindset just implies the only part of the game is defending yourself... which is more true for scum than town, hence the suspicion.

Please explain what makes you think this or generalize like this.

Using this as ammunition for a case... really??

[Bertkerberos]

That's a large lynch pool, Psyche.

Is that the best you can do?

Please reach out to Nacho, too.

[Bertkerberos]

But if you're wrong about Xeg or Maki, and either is mislynched, then it becomes LYLO, with your three person lynch pool.

I'm not following what you're saying...

explain further?

[Bertkerberos]

Nacho had Maki as paranoid town D1. I trusted his read.

During the night before D2, we weren't sure whether Maki was scum or town anymore, after Nacho looked at what went down at the end of D1.

Nacho believed the N1 kcda flip makes Maki town. Then I began having second thoughts about Maki. I voiced them to Nacho after the Samuel replace-out didn't feel consistent to our scum read on Sam. So we re-evaluated.

I'll finish explaining tomorrow. Sleep time now. I know this doesn't make sense.

I'm sort of an archives guy, voicing Nacho's thoughts that I gather from him.

I truly don't know where he's at right now with regard to reads. He has been keeping up with the game, but he hasn't put the time into it yet to make a post in the past day.

Night. Psyche, I like that you're trying to figure us out now. That was missing for the first part of D2. Glad to have you back.

I think you're town. JK is giving me weird vibes. I'll let Nacho sort it out...trusting his JK read whenever I doubt JK... I'm only lukewarm wrt my initial JK read, but Nacho has JK as a strong townread

[Bertkerberos]

EBWOP: we reconsidered Maki as a townread because we suddenly began looking for alternatives to Sam

We had been stuck on Sam and Xeg to start the day, and Sam + Lucky or Xeg to end D1.

We looked at everyone again, including Psyche because Nacho and I's read on psyche was becoming stale

[Bertkerberos]

I am afraid to say I don't have the end of the explanation. I can't come up with one because I don't understand why we changed our minds anymore. I think it was because Nacho and I is PoE of current reads and Maki was left with Psyche and Xeg. This is after Sam's replace out request

I'm gonna shush until Nacho comes back. I'm gonna get us in big trouble if I keep spouting nonsense

This is why I get lynched a lot lol I'm sorry Nacho

Look JK, I spent two days prodding Psyche to talk.

Give me a break. He deserves a pat on the back for actually showing his spine and doing something useful with his time here.

Do you want me to not encourage him with words, and instead go "Psyche lets be enemies, that way you'll do more for the game?"

Heck no

[Bertkerberos]

Bert's listening. I'm all ears. What kinda furries? <3

If I weren't on a phone, Id post a GIF

[Bertkerberos]

To all you showing no balls and deciding not to vote Bert, all the while implying that Bert is likely tomorrow's lynch hinging on a Maki flip or associating me with Maki.

How about you vote me and show some guts

Afraid that voting me will show your true colors? I dare you. DARE YOU



DO ITT

[Bertkerberos]

To all you showing no balls and deciding not to vote Bert, all the while implying that Bert is likely tomorrow's lynch hinging on a Maki flip or associating me with Maki.

Eh.

Really? What do you think of me

Tell me, Psyche

You psychic scumhunter

[Bertkerberos]

all of your pics/gifs are kitsch

Meaniehead

I'm gonna go off into a corner and cry now

[Bertkerberos]

i didnt mean itttt

YOU CHEEKY SOD

<3333333333

[Bertkerberos]

...........

let's see the flip

[Bertkerberos]

Definitely will be spending my work day rereading, but I can't think of any reason not to still suspect Maki/Bert...

---[]

VOTE: Xegarus

Are you scum?

[img]pokerface.jpg[/img]

yeah me neither

[Bertkerberos]

^That post was Nacho.

This is Bert, my confidence is shot, my reads have been way off this game, and I really don't have anything to say in LyLo because (1) I hate LyLo (2) I've played a horrible game and (3) I'll let Nacho take over the reigns from here on out to give us our best possible chance at coming back for a very unlikely town win, because it's looking like a scum win at this point. I'll be back if we correctly lynch today and it's 3 vs. 1, otherwise see you in the postgame.

- Bert

AND YOU SCUMBAGS

YE WHO I KEEP MISLYNCHING

this is NOT over...

Nacho will come and get you so GET ON YOUR FRIGGIN KNEES!!!!

ROCKY BALBOA!!!

ROCKY

[Bertkerberos]

But I think it's pretty clear that qwints quickmislynched because he felt confident that he could get away with it.

or that he thought that his partner would carry him through

[Bertkerberos]

Same difference. But we start with qwints, no?

yup

[Bertkerberos]

Not sure if it's the best idea, I'll have to reread game to get a good thought over it all

you don't think it's the best idea to lynch the quickhammerer...?
really?

[Bertkerberos]

I'm back because I chickened out from this game. I've never lynched correctly in LYLO, but now is the time. And since eyes are turning to me, I'm gonna give it my all as it can't get worse tbh. Was gonna stay out of it because I'm loads more scummier than Nacho in any given game, and I was worried about costing us the game...but Nacho doesn't seem to be going at it in this game at the moment and we need someone to be going all-out.

I think Maki's giving up really only solidifies the scum read, I really can't understand town just saying "screw it" and not participating anymore.

You cannot be serious

Maki is still up there, and I suppose his hesitation to go for the qwints lynch could be just scum trying to make a friend. I'm really not sure, I can't decide between him and you. Pretty happy to see Bert hang though...

noncommittal much? Pitting me and Psych up and against each other, I see what you did there

I WANNA HAVE FUN, BUT THE GAME ISN'T FUNNY YET. HELP MOD PLEASE.

sorry it's not funny yet!
do you wanna sheep me while you figure things out so this scum is a little closer to death?

This is the only time one of Bert's interactions has struck me as abnormal, and it was quite early on. It's really stuck with me since, though.

I agree that Samuel was useless more or less, but was he scummy?

You're looking at page 3 for the only instance of something to tie me up with Maki. That is just desperate looking and pitiful.

Yes, because a massive drop in critical analysis in LyLo and leaping at the obvlynch doesn't seem very townie to me.

and you hard-defending qwints does't seem very townie to me either, does anyone else feel that way

I don't really have a solid grip on things, other than Bert = 99% scum

You've done everything but say "I'm 99% sure Bert and Maki are scum together"

How can you feel that you "don't have a solid grip on things." It's like you're opening up yourself to all options at this point.

I feel like you've only been analysing whether or not qwints is scum today, rather than the game at large...

We just need ONE lynch correctly today. We just need to get ONE person right. We HAVE to get one lynch correct today, and then tomorrow we aren't in LYLO anymore.

Sadly, this is one of those situations where I feel that the person who has been the universal townread and gotten by is still here in LYLO, and that's JKmatthews. And my feeling is that when this happens normally, MOST of the time that person is scum if people keep mislynching and it's LYLO and the strongest townread is still there.

I told Nacho this privately while I Was in chickened-out mode.

I'm here, okay? And I did not give up on this game, well I did but I'm here now. Gotta get over the hump and lynch correctly in LYLO for a change.

We're at 3-2 right now. My hammer was based on kcda's iso and poe. Psyche is still my top town read. JK's #2.

I have that paranoid voice talking in the back of my head, that this guy set Maki and me up by naming townreads like that.

[Bertkerberos]

I can't believe this game is going so difficultly. QQ

I can't believe "difficultly" is a word. X.X

This emotion sounds fake.

Look, Nacho on D1 told me that you can be a strong player but aren't very consistent.

You said you would likely be killed N1 in this game, what with all your giving your "last reads" on D1 in case Lucky2U turned up scum.

I find it hard to believe you are having such difficulties developing any solid scumreads or solid townreads by this juncture of the game.

At this point I'm weary of everyone remaining as possible scum, whereas people like JK are all set on ME and any one of three others, so he will settle when the time comes on whoever the popular target is.

Psyche, you have let me down because I was expecting more out of you than just sporadic bouts of a little stuff that makes me feel better about you.

Qwints, I was too quick to name you as leaning town after Sam's replace-out. I may be kicking myself after the game for doing that and also talking to Nacho about how Sam's replace-out was a town-tell.

JKMatthews, I want you dead but I don't know if I am capable of making a solid, credible case on you, and I really need Nacho's help but he's not here.

Maki -

Spoiler:

anyway, seriously, I'm bad at reads but w/e

Nacho seems town, however Bert is null, he bases himself too much on gut and gets overexcited very quickly, it doesn't make him look very good, so far he's town though.

JK is scummish, the whole arguing with Fifty while keeping a vote on Bert for reasons he has yet to explain sure doesn't look good. He said he'd explain why his vote was there, but he failed to do so in my opinion.

Lucky's scum , "I'm usually the most scummiest player in a game" looks like he's trying to give himself a reason for looking scummy and making mistakes, votes on me at #67 with as a reason "that wouldn't be a bad place to start" which is no valid reason. Also the only thing I had done before was sheeping Bert & delay the game, which was THE SAME THING he did. Therefore no valid reason to vote if you were in his mind. He has yet to give reasons and relies on others to justify his choice, kind of following people & taking opportunities I'd say.

Fifty's the most active person and most likely to be town in my opinion also he's keeping the game alive, which is good. A bit too much of defending me for something that happened in another game so it might make him look scum if you believe I am. I can assure you that I'm not and unless he wants to buddy me (which wouldn't really make much sense, it puts him in the spotlight), then he's town.

Xeg, you're not looking scum, you're mostly null, however your reasoning lacks and while I believe you're most likely looking town, you cause the village to fail, that's about all I've got to say 'bout you.

Kcdas : Null, leaning scum. Only reason I don't call him scum is the fact he gave no reason as to why he votes people. Calls his vote on me a RVS, then says he's up to lynch me 130%, never mentionned ONE reason about it.

Samuel : same as Kcdas.

This is Maki's last big reads list, and it just screams SCUM SCUM SCUM.

Xeg, you're not looking scum, you're mostly null, however your reasoning lacks and while I believe you're most likely looking town, you cause the village to fail, that's about all I've got to say 'bout you.

Nacho seems town, however Bert is null, he bases himself too much on gut and gets overexcited very quickly, it doesn't make him look very good, so far he's town though

"Xeg, you're not looking scum, but your reasoning lacks, but you're still most likely looking town" Stuff like this bothers me.

I feel like we have enough consensus townreads that we're destined to win either way. We're bound to have even better reads as the game goes on, and there are no venge mechanics or PRs to make the process more swingy.

What happened to this attitude?

That's a far cry from what you're acting like now. Was this just some feigned confidence to make you look energetic and townie, telling us prematurely "WE GOT THIS GUYS, don't worry, we're gonna win, don't worry"

Spoiler tags fixed.

-Antihero

[Bertkerberos]

EBWOP: Sorry about the black text, I should have previewed it and corrected the error.

P-edit: I'm a newer-ish player, and I'm very below-average and of a mundane mind. I bring a lot of game spirit, but not much else. I also tend to get frustrated at myself, but I'm working on that. The only thing I do well is make us as a hydra look really scummy. That may be helpful during games with nightkills to dodge them as Nacho's a popular target, but that's about it.

Then why did you say you would likely die N1 if you feel you are terrible at mafia. That's a bold statement to make.

If you look at our signature, I'm the "troll who never dies." Nacho and Syry are much stronger players than I am. Sad but true, I usually don't die unless scum think I'm a PR or I get lynched early.'

P-edit: I'm a lot of fluff, lots of GIFs, but really I don't add much to the game. Not capable of more. I get scared by the really super-strong players/pros because they can talk their way out of anything and I'm pretty powerless against that. It's one of those paranoias I have against strong, reputable players.

I think ONE of Maki/Qwints is scum. And one of you/JK is scum.

If I had to guess (watch me be wrong on both, just my dumb luck) - Qwints/JK

[Bertkerberos]

EBWOP: Brain says Qwints is scum for the quickhammer and telling me that Maki is the lynch bait that has been left alive.

Gut (Which has been terrible this game) tells me Maki is self-defeatist scum and it's all an act, and the paranoid side of me believes Qwints didn't hammer as scum.

[Bertkerberos]

Maki was defscum "a sure bet" to JK at the end of D1, and now he's pushing for me predominantly

It doesn't add up.

[Bertkerberos]

No, we must evaluate at all angles, in case we aren't seeing well.

that includes lookong at the one with least to his name, reading his posts without wearing rose tinted glasses

[Bertkerberos]

Oh, and kcda's dying doesn't make sense unless its two rather stronger players (also happen to be the least suspected) living and not sparing him

Our two guesses at the N1 kill were Maki or Sam. And we were very wrong.

Kcda wasn't under much heat at all D1

In which case, JK and Psyche fit the bill perfectly as scum

Makes sense

[Bertkerberos]

I'm sorta happy Maki is seeing what I'm seeing. So now I don't feel alone against two pros. Good.

Moderator, can we get a prod on qwints please?

We need all the help we can get to figure this out, but I feel we are getting there.

[Bertkerberos]

I'm here. To address psyche's meta argument, I've quickhammered as a town replacement before, and my play as replacement scum in the nominated game is obviously different.

Also VOTE: Bertkerberos.

HEY

HEY

Literally TWO of your THREE posts today. Oh hey, a total of THREE.

Have been votes, with little to no explanation.

You QUICKHAMMERED at the end of D2, expected to get away with it, made some lousy

We're at 3-2 right now. My hammer was based on kcda's iso and poe. Psyche is still my top town read. JK's #2.

THESE were your friggin explanations for a friggin quickhammer a friggin 3 hours INTO THE GAME.

And you asid you barely read, and expected to skate by with a friggin quickhammer.

HEY, I was WILLING to give you a chance (hence the prod), but right now your vote is just UGHHH

You expect to come into this day, DANCE INTO THIS GAME, in LYLO, after ALL the discussion has elapsed,

and plop a vote

don't you find that the least bit suspicious>?



Remove your vote now, or I'm voting you too scumbag

[Bertkerberos]

Yeah... I wish qwints wasn't mental, because that vote lessens my resolve somewhat... but I still think it's Bert

Lmao your resistance to lynching the quickhammerer, while seemingly not remembering who he replaced (SAMUEL), is laughable

JKMatthews/Qwints anyone?

[Bertkerberos]

I was never suspicious of Samuel...
Once again, you're using logic that only analyses the immediate situation at your convenience rather than the game as a whole...

Oh yeah, why weren't you ever suspicious of Samuel?

I'm thinking you already talked to your scumbud and decided I'm the lynch for today.

That's the only thing that explains why I'm the only one you're willing to lynch and yada-yada.

Scumbag.

[Bertkerberos]

Seriously at what point during the game did paranoia replace scumhunting as a standard of good play?

THANK YOU JESUS!

[Bertkerberos]

This is JKMatthews's attitude ->

"Samuel was TOTALLY NOT SUSPICIOUS AT ALL TO ME"

"and Qwints is just MENTAL and therefore not scum"

ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME

He got NOMINATED for a scummy for best replacement

HE'S NOT STUPID

?????????????

Seriously at what point during the game did paranoia replace scumhunting as a standard of good play?

What part of "I'm NOT a good player" don't you get?

[Bertkerberos]

Oh and Nacho sorry I played so frantically and got us in big trouble as lynchbait

you played great!
i am sorry for getting in thread too late


will commentize later