Mini 1484 - Pick Your Partners (Game Over)

[Voidedmafia]

...the fuck?

Welp, not playing with Bartlet again, probably. complete stupidity.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Mrbartlet (4): Natirasha, T S O, Voidedmafia, Mrbartlet

Haschel Cedricson (2): Titus, Tochica
Titus (1): Haschel Cedricson

Not voting (0)

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Mrbartlet,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched Day 4.

It is now Night 4. Deadline is October 1st, 7 p.m. CEST.

[IceGuy]

T S O,

Mason

, has been killed Night 4.

Vote Count

Not voting (5): Haschel Cedricson, Titus, Voidedmafia, Tochica, Natirasha

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

It is now Day 5. Deadline is October 22nd/October 23rd, midnight CEST.

[Titus]

Big shock. Ugh.

[Voidedmafia]

Yeah, I'm not playing with bartlet anytime soon.

I still don't really see what the big hubbub about a nat/HC pairing is, still. His reasons were weak, and I'm currently fairly confident that nat is town. I am equally certain that HC is mafia based on what was ciscussed yesterday as well as his unhelpfulness near the end of the day, and with a 2:2:1 spread we need a mafia lynch to even have a chance at victory.

vote Haschel

(Of course we're now at the mercy of the wolf's shot not hitting the last mafia tonight if HC does flip mafia, but I think that the last WW wants a prisoner's dilemma any more than town or mafia do.)

[Natirasha]

Not putting him at L-1 before everyone reports in.

So, um, Tochika and Voided, why are you guys not the wolf? Cuz I'm still having trouble believing Titus.

[Tochica]

I am still not sure why you are certain hc is mafia not the ww. I myself am having trouble seeing voided as the ww but discussing this now will help him to decide who to kill I suppose (assuming mafia lynch). I don't have high hopes on this ending up well anyway.

[Voidedmafia]

I myself am having trouble seeing voided as the ww but discussing this now will help him to decide who to kill I suppose (assuming mafia lynch).

How does this sentence even jive together?

[Tochica]

Oh, I didn't mean him-you I meant him the ww, I usually try avoiding pronouns.

[Voidedmafia]

I am still not sure why you are certain hc is mafia not the ww.

Who was this to, btw?

Oh, I didn't mean him-you I meant him the ww, I usually try avoiding pronouns.

The WW, I think, would be better off trying his luck in a 3-man LyLo rather than a 3-man Prisoner's Dilemma (2:1 instead of 1:1:1 if you don't get the ratios), as the former still allows him to decide his destiny while the latter basically falls on who the final town decides to have win (and there's not even the chance of a mafia/WW crosskill because only the WW can kill). WW HAS to hit mafia tonight if HC flips mafia--no, WW has to hit mafia regardless of HC's flip because if HC flips town and he/she kills the last town, It's 2-1 for the Mafia and they'd win come D6.

You seem to be thinking that helping discuss who the WW should kill is a bad thing, while I've outlined how he/she HAS to find the Mafia? Why?

Titus: That's all you had to say at the start?

Nat: You mean you have trouble believing Titus is the last Wolf?

[Tochica]

It was mainly to Nat but if you have any reasoning beyond what you have said just say.

As for who the ww should kill I am sure town mafia and ww all together will all agree ww should kill mafia. I am not sure if that's a bad thing to discuss I more think it's pointless as everyone will just 'agree' that's what ww should do. My point however was that if ww had a dilemma who to kill and if whoever he thinks is town suspects him, or town reads the other person ww think is town, he may decide to shoot them for it and go for this 1:1:1 situation.

[Natirasha]

I am still not sure why you are certain hc is mafia not the ww. I myself am having trouble seeing voided as the ww but discussing this now will help him to decide who to kill I suppose (assuming mafia lynch). I don't have high hopes on this ending up well anyway.

It's mostly the whole DrDolittle-thing from D2. I can go drudge up some cases if you want. If we lynch the wolf today, we lose(go reread the WinCons in the first post), so do you suggest not killing him?

[Natirasha]

Nat: You mean you have trouble believing Titus is the last Wolf?

Yeah. Just, the nightkills make little sense from Titus-wolf's perspective...Varsoon wouldn't kill her, DBK was in the "town block" Varsoon made, and he had expressed sentiment that Titus wasn't the wolf day one. I don't think a wolf-Titus would kill would-be allies that early. I also don't think she'd do it for WIFOM purposes.

[Titus]

Voided, yeah I've been uber busy with work.

I'm agreeing that Nati isn't WW. I wouldn't rule out mafia at this point. However, he is NOT the WW. Nati's defense makes no sense as the WW. So that leaves Voided, Tochica and HC. I'm tempted just to be a total jerk and not share notes with anyone to ensure the WW fucks up.

I'm leaning Nati as the town with me but I really have no fucking clue. Haschel is scum.

VOTE: HC

[Natirasha]

lalala intent to hammer lalalala any last words get them in lalalala

[Haschel Cedricson]

Last words? Alea iacta est.

Vote: HC

[Voidedmafia]

I am not sure if that's a bad thing to discuss I more think it's pointless as everyone will just 'agree' that's what ww should do.

If anything, we should be putting forward who we think is the last mafia so that he/she has a better idea of who to shoot.

My point however was that if ww had a dilemma who to kill and if whoever he thinks is town suspects him, or town reads the other person ww think is town, he may decide to shoot them for it and go for this 1:1:1 situation.

He might, but as I said the 1:1:1 wouldn't be desirable for EITHER team. I certainly wouldn't want to give the chance of my faction winning over to whoever the final town decides deserves the win more (which is usually what that boils down to, I think) if I was mafia or WW.

In a 2:1, though, the WW has control over his/her destiny and can decide (or help in deciding) who dies last. Barring factors such as how heavy the suspicion on him/her may be, this is more likely.

I'm tempted just to be a total jerk and not share notes with anyone to ensure the WW fucks up.

Why for the good of this game would you even contemplate doing that unless you're Mafia who thinks they have a good shot at being the winner of the 1:1:1?

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Haschel Cedricson (3): Voidedmafia, Titus, Haschel Cedricson

Not voting (2): Tochica, Natirasha

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Haschel Cedricson,

Mafia Goon

, has been lynched Day 5.

It is now Night 5. Deadline is October 6th, 11 a.m. CEST.

[IceGuy]

Just to make this clear: If we should arrive at an endgame situation with 1 Mafia, 1 Town and 1 Werewolf, Mafia wins.

[IceGuy]

Titus,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed Night 5.

Voidedmafia,

Vanilla Townie

, and Tochica,

Werewolf

, have been endgamed.

Natirasha,

Mafia Goon

, survives.

Mafia wins!

[IceGuy]

QTs

Masons
Mafiosi
Wolves
Dead QT
Spoilered Dead QT

My Mistake

As usual, I made a big mistake with regard to the role PMs: I didn't codify the 1-1-1 endgame situation in the PMs and had to post it later. Apologies to anybody who was negatively affected.

[IceGuy]

The full playerlist:

1. Haschel Cedricson,

Mafia Goon

, has been lynched Day 5.
2. Does Bo Know,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed Night 1.
3. DrDolittle,

Mafia Goon

, has been lynched Day 2.
4. Pjovek,

Werewolf

, has been lynched Day 1.
5. Egg,

Mason

, has been killed Night 3.
6. Titus,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed Night 5.
7.

Guy_Named_Riggs

Voidedmafia,

Vanilla Townie

, has been endgamed.
8. Varsoon,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed Night 2.
9. T S O,

Mason

, has been killed Night 4.
10.

nickthename

Tochica,

Werewolf

, has been endgamed.
11. Mutleyddmc,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched Day 3.
12.

TheGarantula

Mrbartlet,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched Day 4.
13. Natirasha,

Mafia Goon

, survives.

[IceGuy]

At least, a Scummies nomination will come out of this game.

[T S O]

Bartlet, you were 100% right. Nati completely had me, though the other two didn't.

My apologies. Nati, you probably deserved to win.

Titus was obvious Town.

[T S O]

Tochica, in such a hard choice situation, why didn't you simply NK?