In post 251, Smudger wrote:TAM if it was not a player of your experience making that last post I would have gone ape on it, but I am not going to as you have only confirmed my suspicions. He has not claimed Town, I have claimed him Town.
I know. You have claimed him town. No where have I said Naio has claimed himself town. Did you read my last post at all? Let me bold for you a few key points.
In post 249, The Acting Method wrote:Smudger, I was making sure Naio was saying what he was trying to say. Seeing as my chief scumspect is dead I need to check up on my reads and see if anything new has formed.
And
Smudger, You did read what I said about the n00b player who made what seemed to be a n00b mistake and managed to use that to win the game as scum?
So forgive me
if I take a bit of time to be sure it's a mistake and not something more sinister.
Though to be completely fair I once played a dethy with someone unfamiliar with dethy. He claimed random cop on the second day which I called him out for.
He managed to pull a win through stupidity. Stupidity of the other cop. He did not deserve that win.
So Smudger, when I tell you all of this.
Does this make you more wary of
your Naio is town claim?
I actually find your surety very alarming personally.
Mainly because as I have said, I have seen "n00b" scum make mistakes.
Hell half of my Naio push has been clearing up exactly what his second "Mistake" he was thinking of was.
He has responded in a town way so I will agree.
Just keep in mind that
I have made it quite clear why I'm not one to take an "Oh it's just a n00b town mistake" thing.
Let me explain to you each of the bolded.
First, I asked you "Did you read what I said about the game I played in which a n00b player managed to fool town into thinking he was town by making a "newb town" mistake?" You made that assertion, not he. This was addressed to you.
Second, I explain exactly why I didn't instantly say "Oh he's newb town. Confirmed town." like what you did. (I will quote it if you challenge me on that point.) Instead I voted and made sure that I wasn't being tricked.
And finally, after pointing out all of the reasons I was wary of the "newb town mistake" I conclude by asking you if you are still a hundred percent positive that he is practically confirmed town. In fact I even state (and I've underlined this) that YOU are the one claiming Naio is town. Also note the below, in particular what I said before I unvoted.
In post 240, The Acting Method wrote: In post 238, Naio wrote: In post 232, Naio wrote:
2) that you actually see the role of the person that dies
as i said in my original post, i'm used to live-action mafia, not forum, it's much different rules.
to answer your question from post 235, what i said in post 232 was that i didnt realize that you get this:
when someone dies. i didnt see that when i wrote my post about the possibility of aphix being a tracker/cop.
i dont know what you mean by "flipped" i'm guessing it means showing the role when someone dies? in that case, i didnt know that anyone was ever "flipped"
are we all on the same page now?
Thank you for confirming that you misspoke in 232 and meant to say that you didn't realize you got a flip (yes flip means revealing the players role) in Forum Mafia.
It actually clears up that post a lot. There are some games that won't show you the alignment. But you would never see that in a n00b game. Mainly because that is considered a bastard mechanic. (I'm actually surprised that the real life mafia you have watched doesn't do that either.)
I should really stop being lazy and look over aphix to see who is scum.
And Peabody, I can provide you with meta of me speculating why I was still alive the next day (and providing a detailed analysis of the reasoning) where I was town. Not sure if I have evidence of me doing that as scum. But apparently my IC style makes me very good at WIFOM. Mainly because I teach and play the game similtaniously so often I end up making posts that give both sides of an argument. (I can think of at least one town game where I did this for sure...) Is it WIFOM? Yes but it's also something that should be discussed as it may provide hints as to why aphix was killed. Something which I will probably analyzing in greater detail soon. Looking in particular at his reads. It's not as important as reading splash/mollie for scum cues, but something I think bares looking into. Especially if something can combine with the splash/mollie interaction hints.
Also
UNVOTE: Naio
I feel satisfied with his explanation.
And now will be looking at Aphix's reads and then Mollie/Splash's interactions.[/quote]
Look at the bolded, The whole problem I had was with what he was saying and how he was saying it. When he finally manages to put it to rights and explain what he meant to say, I thank him for admitting to misspeaking and proceed to give a bit of a lesson about mechanics. Which is part of my job.
I then unvote him because I am satisfied with the response he has given me. I'm not someone who backs off of scumreads easily or if I feel strongly about a read. And I never change my vote without saying something about my line of thought. Now you're beginning to look bad, and the only thing that's making me not want to vote you as it would be all too easy for scum to have killed aphix to frame you. Probably not what I would have done but scum might have.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to read up on Mollie/Splash and Aphix.