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In post 81, Yiley wrote:
So this is saying you don't want to generate content yourself you want others to do it for you. This seems like something scum would do.In post 68, anorway wrote:
Questions generate content.In post 61, Yiley wrote:Any reason you didn't post any content ? ^
I won't vote you right now but depending on your response...
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In post 406, YuniChikako wrote:
I was just about to. I would have done it a while ago, but things have been happening, and I didn't get the time.In post 357, emeraldemon wrote: @Yuni
Playing word games does not make you town. Want to post some real reads?
Aaaaaaaaannd I'll have to finish typing tomorrow.
I don't care if you post reads. Posting reads on day one is lame.
Vote the Taco '14-
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Please don't do this to me. I had hope for you.In post 189, Kublai Khan wrote:
That's an insane level of null.In post 186, YuniChikako wrote:.....I'd probably vote myself.
Gun would be lowered.
Hadoken.
Unvote.
That's how much everyone is pretty much null to me right now.
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kublai khan you're making me cry in my coffee, please look town like you did at the beginning.
you can start by voting the taco.
but geezuz gods power of death looks scummy as hell and i endorse that wagon
but gods can we puhlease lynch the taco?
omg omg omg you know why i make an awesome replacement for anorway? Post 297 the dancing banana is one of my signature statements.
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So, I still don't think taco is town, but I just read through his iso and I don't feel as strongly as I did last night. :/
Maxous - I don't know if I can. I've never tried. I can definitely spam post as either alignment, but the way I post is largely dictated by what mood I'm in, so I'm not really sure if I could fake that type posting as scum.
As far as my shifting read on power of death: his opening posts sounded lighthearted and town, then went meh, but then I think that people are looking at his posts and mistaking scummy for scum. And posts like this sound town:
In post 303, Powerofdeath wrote:Lol people are stupid. People need to learn how to play. I am purposely not playing like other people. If you expect me to play like others, lynch me then. It will only hurt you guys even more.
So, I think that wagon is on town.
I mean it's an okay lynch as far as lynches go but I think we can do better.
Oh and this sounded town to:
In post 303, Powerofdeath wrote:Lol people are stupid. People need to learn how to play. I am purposely not playing like other people. If you expect me to play like others, lynch me then. It will only hurt you guys even more.In post 304, Powerofdeath wrote:I will state my reads incase even more stupid people joined and I get lynched.In post 305, Powerofdeath wrote:Let me remind you all that this is only Day 1. I have my own reasons to act like this.
emeraldemon - scum
BoroPhil - town
Acidic_TACO - town
JJcoolPants- town
Kublai Khan - scum
goodmorning - town
iamusername scum
anorway - town
Yiley - town
LeMidget - town
Zekrom25 - idk
YuniChikako - scum
Also gut town read on Maxous from his post on this page. Yeah yeah I know it's silly.
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Okay I need to reread through some things.to make sure I feel the same as I did last night as I read rather quickly but I think that both the main wagons are on town.
I liked Maxous' entrance, but I remember thinking his predecessor was meh, so I definitely need to reorient myself.
No boro you can't talk about that game even though we're both dead.
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Ah, the excited tone is something I have not yet been able to put into my scum game. Mostly it's because I hate playing scum so implementing things from my town game is slow going. I think the closest I came to sounding excited was in Red Wine when I was joking with a friend of mine who also drew scum with me.In post 431, Maxous wrote:
it was'nt the spamming per se but the excited tone(?) of the posting.In post 421, Tammy wrote: Maxous - I don't know if I can. I've never tried. I can definitely spam post as either alignment, but the way I post is largely dictated by what mood I'm in, so I'm not really sure if I could fake that type posting as scum.
but yeah, if you're faking it - well played and I will need to take notes.
I was feeling worse about Goodmorning as I read through again. :/maxous wrote: Good morning looks townier in ISO than she did on my first read but I just don't like her votes, which is largely what I was reacting to.
add to that: the reasoning is'nt very clear when she votes(I still am unsure about why she's voting BoroPhil) It's always taking somebody else having to directly ask her why before she spills the beans.
Well that and why would you look at ISO's on page 4???
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Okay so:
Town are in: Maxous, Emeralddemon, powerofdeath, borophil, and yiley
Maybe town are: belisaurus, zekrom, yunichikako
Scum are in: kublai khan, goodmorning, iamusername, acidictaco
I'm pretty sad that I think kublai khan is scum but I don't see him really trying to figure out the game but is manipulating the narrative. Jumping on Yuni for null reads, etc, just looks like him looking for scummy behavior that can be exploited rather than looking for actual scum. I'm going to hold off on voting him though until I see the taco's replacement because I still really suspect the Taco but I don't see the two of them being scum together. So, a taco scum flip would negate this scum read; though a khan scum flip would also sadly made taco town.
Iam suffers from the same thing. I also think he's white knighting borophil, which is not a scum tell I whiteknight as town all the time, but it looks like he's taking the opposite view of khan so that he has something to debate with his teammate so that he doesn't look like his teammate.
Goodmorning just doesn't give me the good feelings I had last night.
And Taco is the taco, hopefully we get a competent replacement, or at least an easy to read one. (Falcon, you should replace in here!)-
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mind translating this into english?In post 441, Yiley wrote:Um this is one of the more inactive games I have seen on this site so you know pod but you are still scum. Also trying to get some heat of your scum buddies who are probably bussing you.-
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what of it?In post 451, Kublai Khan wrote:
So you're passively condoning a policy lynch?In post 450, Tammy wrote:He's an okay lynch. I won't cry if he's lynched, but I have no expectations of it actually being a scum lynch.
I've never had huge problems with lynching someone who's being rather unhelpful and anti town on day one. You can do a big search on me and find that I actually believe in policy lynches in these situations.
But if you read me here, I've made it clear that I think we can do better. I think PoD is going to flip town.
I'd rather lynch scum, and I think scum lie in the pool I've mentioned.
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Yes, your question is why I wrote 421.In post 461, goodmorning wrote:
Can I assume 421 is my answer to this question?In post 416, goodmorning wrote:Tammy helloooo
I'm not a huge fan of the flashwagon idea. Also, what changed your Pod read from your first batch of posts to your more recent?-
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Cool now that I have your attention, do you think you could answer this question?In post 444, Tammy wrote:Who are his scum buddies on his wagon?-
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Hrm. The yuni thing is weird and her continued putting things off is bothersome, but I like the way she interacted with me when I replaced in. It came off townish. When newb-scum tell a replacement that their slot looks bad, it usually comes off a bit more fake aggressive like. She felt natural. Unfortunately she has no finished games besides marathon games, so.
I need to reread back through Gundam as Beli's tone feels different from how I remember in that game. Though tbf I didn't read a good 200 or so pages in that game and didn't follow it so closely once i was killed. He also was the major flavor expert and what I do remember of him was trying to work out the game through flavor and setup, so that could be part of his tonal issue. But I absolutely hate 487-
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None of this actually makes him scum. Some of these things make him a decent policy lynch, and he's an okay lynch because I suspect he'll just be a topic of the day if he's not lynched today. Other things, such as joking about being scum, is a personality tell. Not voting isn't a scum tell either, again personality tell. Leaving your vote on someone you've decided is town, is also not a scum tell.In post 490, Kublai Khan wrote:
Look at his posts. What moar do you need?In post 467, emeraldemon wrote:I don't like the pod wagon because the people on the pod wagon (including you) were largely lurking and didn't seem particularly interested in finding out whether pod was scum. Even now you seem moar interested in asking me questions than pod. Are you so sure pod is scum that you don't need to ask or push him on anything?
Iso 0-1: Newbie card. Pre-excusing his play.
Iso 2: Intention to blend in. He isn't considering it possible that he might die or that hunting scum is the key thing he should be doing.
Iso 7: votes for emeraldemon for not adding content. This is his first actual content.
Iso 9: Claims to have a scummy meta read on ika (iamausername). No vote.
Iso 11: He's expecting to play a night game.
Iso 15: Joking about being scum for 2nd time. This is a strong scumtell.
Iso 17-18 & 27: Attacks his wagon as "stupid".
Iso 19: "I have my own reasons to act like this" <- That's something that people with a non-town agenda say. Also, lists his current vote as town and doesn't change it for several days.
Iso 21 & 26: Waiting for night.
Iso 24-25: Only cares about his own wagon, not finding/lynching scum.
Iso 29: No concern that he might be a night-kill. Definitely not a town PR.
He's scum. Plain and simple.
Basically this case is rather superficial.
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There's no passive aggressive fighting. Your case is superficial. I don't think it's a wagon on scum. I expect it to hit town. However, he's not doing a whole lot to make himself useful, and is widely suspected; therefore, I don't see it being a subject that will go away if I'm able to do anything about it. Also, I'm waiting on the Taco's replacement to shore up my read there; I don't have another big suspect to push the wagon onto. I don't like your posting, but like I already said I'd like to be wrong on that and I don't think you and the Taco are partnered.In post 497, Kublai Khan wrote:
Hey, more passive aggressive fighting/not fighting lynch stopping/not stopping.In post 497, Tammy wrote:None of this actually makes him scum. Some of these things make him a decent policy lynch, and he's an okay lynch because I suspect he'll just be a topic of the day if he's not lynched today. Other things, such as joking about being scum, is a personality tell. Not voting isn't a scum tell either, again personality tell. Leaving your vote on someone you've decided is town, is also not a scum tell.
Tell me Tammy, why aren't you fighting this lynch more? Why is it a better "okay policy lynch" than Zekrom25?
I also have a town read on the next leading wagon, and he is putting in :effort: and I have some expectation of him continuing to be useful. Not really interested in stopping a lynch on pod, who I do think is town, only to have the lynch default onto borophil, who I also think is town but more useful.
Also, a pod town flip forces people to reset themselves and reassess the game state.
I don't know why you're bringing up zekrom? There's not a wagon on him, and as Beli said, his predecessor was pretty town - and yes, both of them were.-
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I look forward to reading the bs case you're building up to make on me.In post 501, Kublai Khan wrote:What do you make of Tammy's "Whatever, I don't care what you do, I mean he's totally town, but whatever lynch him" attitude, Belisarius?
I also look forward to beli's answer. If he remembers my stances in gundam, it should be an interesting answer.-
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You're being buddied by kublai khan, you should know that.In post 503, Belisarius wrote:
Well, i'faith, methinks she's too low for a high praise, too brown for a fair praise, and too little for a great praise; only this commendation can I afford her, that were she other than as she is, she were unhandsome; and being no other but as she is, I do not like her.In post 501, Kublai Khan wrote:What do you make of Tammy's "Whatever, I don't care what you do, I mean he's totally town, but whatever lynch him" attitude, Belisarius?-
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I still don't get it. He's a super new player who doesn't have many completed games. His wiki mentions him being the most policylynchest player here. He's a bit of a low poster, but is helpful when he posts and has potential to be useful and readable. He is also not really suspected here, so I don't understand why you're making the comparison.In post 507, Kublai Khan wrote:
Meta him.In post 502, Tammy wrote:I don't know why you're bringing up zekrom?-
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Look at [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=37944]Micro 296[/quote] where he looks like he's able to be read. He's scum here.-
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No, I'm saying that she's one of my suspects. You say a town read on me would make her definitely town. Since I'm town and you think that you know her well enough to know that if I'm town she is too, then I'd like for you to enlighten me on the reasoning for that because then there's a potential that my suspicions of her are wrong.In post 518, Belisarius wrote:If you mean to point out that my suspicion is based on an associative without a flip, I assure you that I am aware of this, and that is why my vote is still on scumPoD
Pedit: O rl'yeh? I'm openly willing to vote whichever of {you,gm} is more likely to result in a lynch if I can nae have PoD. Dost truly think thou'rt so powerful thou canst beat both?
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He's a total newb. He's only been playing for two months. I think you're being really unfair there. And, his reads weren't half bad. I mean he didn't vote for Bert but he was consistently questioning and voting the final scum, so i don't really get your point. He put in quite a bit of effort there. That means he has potential to put in the effort here and do well.In post 514, Kublai Khan wrote:
Actually meta him. I just finished Mewbie 1461 with him, that'd be a good place to start.In post 510, Tammy wrote:
I still don't get it. He's a super new player who doesn't have many completed games. His wiki mentions him being the most policylynchest player here. He's a bit of a low poster, but is helpful when he posts and has potential to be useful and readable. He is also not really suspected here, so I don't understand why you're making the comparison.In post 507, Kublai Khan wrote:
Meta him.In post 502, Tammy wrote:I don't know why you're bringing up zekrom?
He's by far the biggest VI in the game.
I wouldn't be interested in lynching someone who looks town, and is putting in the effort/has potential to put in effort, and noone even suspects simply because he's considered a VI because he's new. That's just rude and doesn't help the gamestate either in game or sitewide. A VI who has no intention of improving or putting in effort, and is a danger to the game is a different story. I don't get that impression here.
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that doesn't help me then.In post 521, Belisarius wrote:My scumread on both of you is based on your predecessor and gm's noninteraction + hopping on low hanging fruit; hence if I'm right about one of you, I'm right about both.
It's a non-sequitur to say being wrong about one of you means I'm wrong about both, but really, Occam's Razor
Pedit: Tammy's stance on Z matches my stance on Borophil.
I was hoping for something a little more helpful with my read on goodmorning. But, you said a town flip of me would clear goodmorning, so nothing else seems suspicious of her besides that?-
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I'm trying to figure out what I think about you bringing this whole thing up out of nowhere. It looks to me like you're trying to draw a line between me and Zekrom, and I know that's something you use when scum. (Also, if you're hoping to frustrate me into melting down so you can use that against me again, it won't work. You'll have to find a different path there.)In post 523, Kublai Khan wrote:
Well, I hope he thinks of you as a good buddy for that analysis. Try reading everyone else's reaction to Zekrom25.In post 520, Tammy wrote:He's a total newb. He's only been playing for two months. I think you're being really unfair there. And, his reads weren't half bad. I mean he didn't vote for Bert but he was consistently questioning and voting the final scum, so i don't really get your point. He put in quite a bit of effort there. That means he has potential to put in the effort here and do well.
I wouldn't be interested in lynching someone who looks town, and is putting in the effort/has potential to put in effort, and noone even suspects simply because he's considered a VI because he's new. That's just rude and doesn't help the gamestate either in game or sitewide. A VI who has no intention of improving or putting in effort, and is a danger to the game is a different story. I don't get that impression here.-
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…HaHaHaHaHaHaHa…hahahahahahahahahaIn post 528, Kublai Khan wrote:
No. Listen to me. You are stating that the lynch on powerofdeath is "okay" because powerofdeath is a great policy lynch because he is and will continue to be a distraction. Also you're saying that powerofdeath is town.In post 525, Tammy wrote:
I'm trying to figure out what I think about you bringing this whole thing up out of nowhere. It looks to me like you're trying to draw a line between me and Zekrom, and I know that's something you use when scum. (Also, if you're hoping to frustrate me into melting down so you can use that against me again, it won't work. You'll have to find a different path there.)In post 523, Kublai Khan wrote:
Well, I hope he thinks of you as a good buddy for that analysis. Try reading everyone else's reaction to Zekrom25.In post 520, Tammy wrote:He's a total newb. He's only been playing for two months. I think you're being really unfair there. And, his reads weren't half bad. I mean he didn't vote for Bert but he was consistently questioning and voting the final scum, so i don't really get your point. He put in quite a bit of effort there. That means he has potential to put in the effort here and do well.
I wouldn't be interested in lynching someone who looks town, and is putting in the effort/has potential to put in effort, and noone even suspects simply because he's considered a VI because he's new. That's just rude and doesn't help the gamestate either in game or sitewide. A VI who has no intention of improving or putting in effort, and is a danger to the game is a different story. I don't get that impression here.
I make my case that powerofdeath is scum and that Zekrom25 is a bigger VI and a bigger liability to this game (therefore a better policy lynch).
You are fighting me on both fronts. Which tells me that youdon't want powerofdeath to be lynched, buuuuuut you make a point of saying that you're fine with the lynch. So you're lying and lying about lying. Because you're scum.REALLY
I totally did not expect that the moment I started arguing against you that you'd call me scum. Thank you so much for fulfilling all of my expectations and proving to me your alignment in the process.
Remember when I told you I wouldn't let you get to me and frustrate me into a melt down you could use against me again? Totally meant it. I won't let you do it. I know that you, as scum, make superficial cases. I know that you, as scum, go after low hanging fruit. I know that you, as scum, twist things like this to make your cases.
You are scum here.
I want every single person here to read Kublai Khan's posts. I want you to look at his superficial posting and his superficial case. I want you to read through his interaction with me and see the distortion.
And when you do that, I want you to vote the hell out of Kublai Khan. This is not his town game. He doesn't discredit people in his town games, but he does in his scum games. He doesn't distort things to try to make himself look good in his town games. When he's town he tries to look at people's motivations. But when he's scum, he doesn't. He makes simple cases and goes after people he thinks he can get lynched.
Also, I'd like for you to look at his treatment of me since my replace in. He was perfectly fine to call my slot good upon replacing in when I wanted to lead a lynch on the taco and was scum reading power of death. The moment I disagreed with him and started being suspicious of him he used a tactic that no one in their right mind can read and not follow as being town motivated and is distorting it.
This is because he is scum. If I have time tomorrow when I get home, I'll break down for you from his posts before I replaced in why you should be voting kublai khan so you don't think this is all about his discredit of my viewpoints.
But seriously, I want everyone to state what their read on kublai khan is and why. Even if he's able to manage to get my mislynch from this affair, it will be useful in the coming days and I want everybody's opinions on record.-
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Also in case anyone is confused on my points about this, I'd like you all to realize that he is distorting what I say and here's how:
I think that power of death is town and is a mislynch. I think we can do better (like kublai khan). But it's not a lynch I'm going to fight because of the level of suspicion on him and the fact that he's not really doing anything. This tells me that his continued existence has a good chance of being a distraction to town if he lives.
(Note: not in one place did I ever call him a VI. That's not even close to being my point.)
I don't agree that Zekrom is a VI, in fact he is also a town read, there is no wagon on him as nobody really suspects him or is not widely suspected, he's just new. Zekrom is a newbie who can put in effort and if his previous games, and the one that kublai khan linked, demonstrates he will put in the effort.
Now why did KK try to bring up this really incompatible scenario and try to push it as scum? Is he arguing that I'm Zekrom's buddy and therefore don't want to lynch zekrom, who doesn't have a wagon on him, but am not going to fight a powerofdeath one who does have a wagon on him and isn't doing a whole lot?
I'm fighting KK's read on powerofdeath, not because as he tried to mischaracterize before, I don't have a problem with his lynch though have a problem with KK being on the lynch. I don't believe that KK actually has a scum read on him. I believe he is making a superficial case to get town lynched because that's what scum need to do. I think KK is being fake. My problem with KK's placement on the powerofdeath wagon is that he is lying about his scum read.-
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I know that you view mafia as a psychological game and when scum look to manipulate people and enjoy it, but you are really transparent when you're scum.In post 532, Kublai Khan wrote:
Ugh. I started typing a reply to all your bullshit then stopped. You won't ever admit to being scum so there no point in wasting energy trying to tell you that you've been outed.In post 529, Tammy wrote:But seriously, I want everyone to state what their read on kublai khan is and why.
I want everyone to give a read on Tammy. Let's 1 vs 1 this.
Vote: Tammy
This is not your town game. I don't believe for one second that you'd back down from someone you believe is scum to do a childish 1v1. this indicates that you wouldn't.
I don't believe for one second you actually have a scum read on me, and that should be readily evident to anyone who reads our posts. But gee gosh I sure do love hearing you call me scum when I'm not. So glad we had this talk.-
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This.In post 539, Maxous wrote:oh dear
the meat of the issue is that Tammy sees powerofdeath as a good utility lynch (even though she town-reads him) and Kublai is going 'wtf if you town read him don't endorse his lynch' and kept asking if it is a policy lynch(that's why Zekrom was brought up), but Tammy doesn't see it as a policy lynch.
Well that and Tammy thinks KK's case on PoD is weak.
I don't believe for one second that KK can't understand this or see my town motivation behind my stance.-
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This is a bad point, and considering that you do continue to ignore his questions, you calling him "lazy" and "skating" by when he's bringing relevant points against you is just bad and scummy rhetoric.In post 546, Kublai Khan wrote:
BoroPhil, you are beyond lazy. Are you actually trying to do anything or are you just content skating by and leaving a parked vote?In post 544, BoroPhil wrote:oh and Kublai - what do you think of the order of Tammy's reads?
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In other news, Zekrom, Yiley and Yunichikako could get in here and post any second now.-
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In post 555, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
YES. That's what made me want to replace in. And I am town as fuck and easily readable. Hopefully, I fulfill the "competence" area as well.In post 553, Tammy wrote:YAY FALCON HIHIHI!
(did you see me tell you to replace in? Please be town!)
Please do be!
I'm getting ready to crash, but I'll be around tomorrow.-
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