NY 173: Knight-Errant 2 - GAME OVER!

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: A modding hydra account of Alduskkel and Lady Lambdadelta.

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none

[Bicephalous Bob]

Last 3 posts: :roll:

e4 e5 Nf3 f6 Ne5 e5 Qh5

[Bicephalous Bob]

BORING

[Bicephalous Bob]

ice is probably town because the mod thought we were behaving the same way

at least you guys know we're not scum together because no mod would rolleyes two scumpartners at once

[Bicephalous Bob]

you're not getting a reaction

[Bicephalous Bob]

you're not getting a reaction

Coaching your scumbuddies already bob?

if you're town you really have to play better because you are looking really scummy right now

Vote Count 1.02

Lords of the Unreal (3) - Turkish Van, MafiaSSK, Lords of the Unreal
Twisted Advice (2) - Antihero, Hopkirk
GreyICE (2) - GreyICE, Kublai Khan
Bicephalous Bob (2) - jbomber732, Twisted Advice
Metal Sonic (1) - beastcharizard
Turkish Van (1) - notscience

Not Voting (7) - Katarina LeBlanc, Metal Sonic, PeregrineV, Bicephalous Bob, MonkeyMan576, Guzame, burn_209

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Bicephalous Bob]

don't bus on day 1

VOTE: twisted

[Bicephalous Bob]

As I have already said, I found Bob's posts to feel more fake and more an attempt to appear lighthearted about RVS. I like GreyICE for town at the moment because of his suspicions on Bob.

You read greyICE as town not because of his aggressive tone and his attempt to get people to react to his jester claim, but because he placed a naked vote on me?

[Bicephalous Bob]

yeah so why was his naked vote the reason you read greyice as town

[Bicephalous Bob]

monkey is town for not reading the setup

VOTE: antihero

[Bicephalous Bob]

this is going to be an easy game dudes

[Bicephalous Bob]

snarky

Vote Count 1.03

Bicephalous Bob (4) - jbomber732, Twisted Advice, GreyICE, Antihero
Lords of the Unreal (3) - Turkish Van, MafiaSSK, Lords of the Unreal
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
Turkish Van (1) - notscience
Hopkirk (1) - beastcharizard
MafiaSSK (1) - MonkeyMan576
Antihero (1) - Bicephalous Bob
MonkeyMan576 (1) - Hopkirk

Not Voting (5) - Katarina LeBlanc, Metal Sonic, PeregrineV, Guzame, burn_209

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Bicephalous Bob]

hop is on another wavelength

this should be evident from the way he tried to differentiate between protown and townish in 73

snarky

i don't remember a lot of macho bluster from you in double day
bad start for you buddy

that is not a good game to draw meta from

[Bicephalous Bob]

I didn't expect anything to happen

[Bicephalous Bob]

hop is very townish

[Bicephalous Bob]

^you're very scum-ish

you're sort of scum--ish

[Bicephalous Bob]

notice how you're immediately choosing to cast what hopkirk is doing in the scummiest light without considering that maybe you don't know what the hell he's talking about

[Bicephalous Bob]

parallelism

[Bicephalous Bob]

So...Bob and hopkirk are on the same team? I don't see any reason for Bob to be defending hop so strongly.

I'm whiteknighting

also tying us together in case I go down

[Bicephalous Bob]

you're not getting a reaction

Coaching your scumbuddies already bob?

if you're town you really have to play better because you are looking really scummy right now

Ok I'll do that. So this quote just gave me a bad look at him because if thats all he really has to say, then the read doesn't seem genuine.

it was a joke

grey asked me if I was coaching him, I responded by coaching him

snarky

This doesn't seem like his personality, and it seems forced.

mockingly calling someone snarky is way more fun than sarcastically calling someone clever

[Bicephalous Bob]

pretty sure it's got something to do with my youth

hmm I thought I'd played with town hopkirk before, but that was hiplop

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bob--avoids engaging on points, like the coaching accusation. Dismisses people citing earlier games of his without elaboration.

you aren't serious about the coaching accusation are you

please provide a game where I talked trash as scum

[Bicephalous Bob]

Knowledge that you have behaved differently in scum games is why meta is worthless, Bob.

My vote is in a good place.

More need to join.

my point is that antihero's meta-accusation is worthless

[Bicephalous Bob]

antihero made the original accusation

PSA: Katarina is also town

PSA: Bob is hitting the stage of scum where he knows that there's people with solid scumreads on him, but he's not quite sure what behavior will make him not be lynched.

no I'm currently at the stage where I self-vote and repeatedly call myself a genius in all caps

[Bicephalous Bob]

snarky

clever

[Bicephalous Bob]

indeed

[Bicephalous Bob]

that was a reaction to 222

Vote Count 1.09

Hopkirk (4) - beastcharizard, Twisted Advice, Katarina LeBlanc, MonkeyMan576
Bicephalous Bob (2) - GreyICE, PeregrineV
Katarina LeBlanc (2) - Turkish Van, Antihero
GreyICE (1) - Kublai Khan
Turkish Van (1) - notscience
Antihero (1) - Bicephalous Bob
Kublai Khan (1) - Lords of the Unreal
Lords of the Unreal (1) - MafiaSSK

Not Voting (5) - Metal Sonic, Guzame, burn_209, jbomber732, Hopkirk

18 alive, 10 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 weeks from now, on April 21st, 2014 at 6:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-04-21 18:00:00)

[Bicephalous Bob]

In his only other mafiascum game, Guzame was a serial killer and didn't vote until day 8. So I would say his lack of opinion may be a scumtell, or it could be newbtown, but I am leaning scum.

that wasn't his only ms game

he definitely seems a lot more passive as scum

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: pv

Why am I scum?

[Bicephalous Bob]

anyway the real answer is to keep the doctor away

[Bicephalous Bob]

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

especially since he's a pretty conversational player

[Bicephalous Bob]

i'm super, super cereal

nice sk crumb

[Bicephalous Bob]

also the post for post non-analysis

[Bicephalous Bob]

do you really want a claim from me while my wagon is losing traction

also the looser interpretation of posts by people who are read as scum by the majority

[Bicephalous Bob]

pv will you come back if we promise not to lynch you solely because you're contributing

[Bicephalous Bob]

I did catch that, and it doesn't sit well with me. The post surrounding it was also not great. Is it really worth making an instawagon of though? Someone may need to walk me through the theory behind it- is it simply "town don't iso their predecessors"? Because I totally do that.

Iago

yeah calling this the amished tell isn't very helpful

[Bicephalous Bob]

also the entire post is probably worth an instawagon but my vote won't move until pv comes back

[Bicephalous Bob]

also the entire post is probably worth an instawagon but my vote won't move until pv comes back

Was wondering why you would plant your vote until I return, so I looked and it's because you're voting me! :giggle:

Anyways, I'm here. You ready?

yeah

do you think your town game improved since the meta people played with you

[Bicephalous Bob]

also the entire post is probably worth an instawagon but my vote won't move until pv comes back

Was wondering why you would plant your vote until I return, so I looked and it's because you're voting me! :giggle:

Anyways, I'm here. You ready?

yeah

do you think your town game improved since the meta people played with you

No clue. I think most of the ones claiming to have played recently were actually pretty recent (last 6 months).

I like to think my town game has improved since I started, but in the last 6 months? Maybe marginally.
Recent game I liked my play: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36588
Recent game I did not: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=28253

Not really sure of the point of the question, but there's your answer.

My turn.

Why are you scum?

you're just trying to get more snarky answers out of me because you know that's the way to get people to vote me

why did you ignore the meta argument if it isn't based on anything

[Bicephalous Bob]

also mneu's read on you is pretty damning so you better hard-defend him

[Bicephalous Bob]

oh right I also have something substantial to back up my vote

pv ignored the "engaging pv is scum pv"-comments which were made during his first burst of activity. I'd expect pv, having changed his town meta for the better, to say something like "I've changed guys" when the fact that he's active is brought up against him

I think scum-PeregrineV would be moar likely to dismiss the activity charge by saying "I've changed guys". Is that your only reason for having a sole vote on him?

the dismissing tone in my example is irrelevant

gut

[Bicephalous Bob]

Why did I ignore an argument that isn't based on anything?
Because it's not based on anything.
And I don't even recall any sort of argument, but maybe I missed the arguing part.

that's an unnatural response to slander

the argument was pretty one-sided because you didn't participate

And secondly, what I was expecting was why others think you are scum, since you did manage to go to L-1. To me, it seems like you should/would/could analyze your wagon to see where it comes from, and try to find scum on it.
So far, you've avoided doing anything remotely like that.
Why is that?

I don't like to hunt on my wagon

I do read you and device as scum though

[Bicephalous Bob]

HI GREY

NO I WANT TO SORT THIS OUT FIRST

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

[Bicephalous Bob]

HI GREY

NO I WANT TO SORT THIS OUT FIRST

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

Your entire point is that "PV isn't playing to X meta."

you completely missed the point

he ignored what he now claims is inaccurate meta and he claims he did this

because

the meta is inaccurate

[Bicephalous Bob]

HI GREY

NO I WANT TO SORT THIS OUT FIRST

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

Your entire point is that "PV isn't playing to X meta."

you completely missed the point

he ignored what he now claims is inaccurate meta and he claims he did this

because

the meta is inaccurate

adding to this, even the most passive player would be pissed and react if someone said "X is scummy because he's posting" if this is based on absolutely nothing

[Bicephalous Bob]

please point me to the post where I said PV was scummy because he was posting

[Bicephalous Bob]

replace "I've changed guys" with "you guys are full of shit" to account for his claim that the meta is inaccurate and you have the exact same point I'm making right now

[Bicephalous Bob]

last try

Your initial argument was that PV was scummy because he was posting

no my initial argument was that he was scummy because he never addressed the meta talk, not because he didn't play to his meta

Your new argument is that PV is scummy because he wasn't sufficiently angry about how incredibly ridiculous your initial argument was

that's part of my argument except for the fact that the initial argument wasn't mine

[Bicephalous Bob]

@Bob-

Is your case that my feelings weren't hurt when someone called me scummy for a "meta" reason?
Seriously?

Vote: Bob
Extra Vote: Bob
Triple Vote: Bob

no, that you completely ignored it and then, when I asked about it, you said you ignored it because it was wrong, not because it was unimportant

[Bicephalous Bob]

Then link me to the post where I said "it was wrong".

Meanwhile, enjoy this Verizon ringback tone while your party is reached.
:down: :down:

Why did I ignore an argument that isn't based on anything?
Because it's not based on anything.

saying an argument isn't based on anything implies that it's wrong, right?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Not whether or not they are scum

this "clarification" was both hilarious and townish

mneu are you often lynched as town

[Bicephalous Bob]

Not whether or not they are scum

this "clarification" was both hilarious and townish

mneu are you often lynched as town

...and here comes scumbuddy bob, giving zombie man the "OMG, i'm mislynched

all the time

, poor me" out.

thanks for making his reaction forced and unreadable

[Bicephalous Bob]

Well since I did majorly scumread guzame, I guess you're right and I should'nt give him a fair chance. Plus bob makes me laugh especially with his horrible avitars, so I'll keep him around.

VOTE: MNEUIMNIC

What in the actual fuck is this? Going back on what you are doing just because town starts to put a little pressure on you? This is some textbook scum shit and if your vote isnt on bomber then it should be. 577 pretty much made me facepalm so hard I gave myself a concussion

Kublai Khan continues to make super town posts like in 531. There is no way a scum player would propose the idea of extending the day to get rid of all the people that are going to replace out.

I did that as scum in my newbie game

[Bicephalous Bob]

blue isn't in this game

[Bicephalous Bob]

man hopkirk was really keeping all options open

[Bicephalous Bob]

grey didn't read pv as scum so he was probably reading the other partner as scum

VOTE: jbomber

his early guzame vote was probably distancing

his reason to vote mneu over me was sad

[Bicephalous Bob]

I mean it was flattering but scummy

[Bicephalous Bob]

you think both partners were awkwardly disinterested in mneu's wagon?

[Bicephalous Bob]

yeah I was bussing two partners while whiteknighting a townie and not giving any substantial reads besides that

[Bicephalous Bob]

oh no you thought hopkirk was scum too

I was bussing two partners while chainsawing a third partner and I didn't give any substantial reads besides that

[Bicephalous Bob]

you got me

i guess everyone's saying he's the sk (which is actually pretty reasonable)

yeah I crumbed my kill in the final votecount

[Bicephalous Bob]

burn brings up a solid point and I'll

Unvote

for now

You didn't think of that yourself? Did you look for associative tells at all?

[Bicephalous Bob]

yeah but relying on slips is terrible

anyway khan was the only one to seriously respond to my rambling about pv

that would be the worst thing to do if he was scum

but maybe I'm giving him too much credit

[Bicephalous Bob]

Kat please explain you jb read like a boring person

[Bicephalous Bob]

I object to it etc etc

[Bicephalous Bob]

yeah but relying on slips is terrible

anyway khan was the only one to seriously respond to my rambling about pv

that would be the worst thing to do if he was scum

but maybe I'm giving him too much credit

defending a scum PR as scum is "the worst thing to do"?
in who's world?

no-one was taking me seriously so why feed the fire

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'm just saying that it would've been better for scum khan to ignore me

also I can't remember most of day 1

I'm clinging on to what I know

(I was expecting a Bob lynch to happen btw!)

weren't you voting me at some point while townreading me

VOTE: khan

[Bicephalous Bob]

/ugh...

when i'm talking about this, i feel like i'm talking with people who believe in those celebrity psychics/mediums

says the person who called tv's comment on ms's slip a good catch

[Bicephalous Bob]

you think both partners were awkwardly disinterested in mneu's wagon?

no
i retract my metal sonic scum read btw. that was more of a "you're pissing me off because you're standing in my way" read.

yeah I was bussing two partners while whiteknighting a townie and not giving any substantial reads besides that

who's the townie here?

at first I thought the monkey was reading hopkirk as town

kk and pv were both awkwardly disinterested in mneu's wagon

[Bicephalous Bob]

at first I thought the monkey was reading hopkirk as town

kk and pv were both awkwardly disinterested in mneu's wagon

yes... and...?

arbitrary rules like "only X number of scum act this certain way about Y" are generally oversimplified and inaccurate
ex. only X number of scum bussed yesterday, only X number of scum was on such and such wagon, only X number of scum are in the "null" section of [flipped scum]'s reads list

all the scumbags could have bussed yesterday just as easily as all of them staying off the wagon

I wasn't analyzing votecounts

I said they approached the wagon exactly the same way

even when khan was called out on ignoring the wagon pv continued to tunnel me

no oh shit I'll be next mentality

but, as I said, I'm clinging on to what I remember

I'll reread the end of day 1 tomorrow and come up with some genuine-looking opinions

[Bicephalous Bob]

why not mafiassk

[Bicephalous Bob]

anyway khan was the only one to seriously respond to my rambling about pv

I did? I don't recall giving your PeregrineV an iota of consideration.

you said pv scum was more likely to address his meta

it was pretty silly

[Bicephalous Bob]

ssk are you a bot

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bob is pretty obv not mafia at this point because of mnem and PV. The Bob wagon is even worse than the Kat wagon.

483 is because Bob was, is, and always will be scum. He needs the rope even though for some reason to one actually wants to commit to voting him. If a Bob wagon picked up, you can bet we'd be one of the first on it. How is that scummy?

this reminds me

pv helped you explain your "hydra dissonance"

[Bicephalous Bob]

you're definitely a bot

[Bicephalous Bob]

yeah but relying on slips is terrible

True, it's not my preferred mode of anything.

Still, if we don't end up going for this today, do remember it down the line.

Iago

That said, I am (still) willing to drop Metal Sonic for today, and we can lynch him if it turns out we do indeed have a cop. But that's the main reason I don't think Bob is the SK. If we out our PRs (eventually) and no cop appears, fine.

Iago

so your main reason for thinking I'm not the SK is that ms might've made an sk slip

even though you're hesitant to rely on slips in general

Vote Count 2.09

Kublai Khan (4) - Metal Sonic, Katarina LeBlanc, Bicephalous Bob, beastcharizard
Katarina LeBlanc (3) - Kublai Khan, Lords of the Unreal, MafiaSSK
Hopkirk (2) - Turkish Van, Twisted Advice
Twisted Advice (1) - Hopkirk
Bicephalous Bob (1) - jbomber732
jbomber732 (1) - MonkeyMan576

Not Voting (3) - notscience, burn_209, Antihero

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

Deadline is May 4th, 3:20 PM EST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2014-05-04 15:20:00)

[Bicephalous Bob]

you're the sk aren't you

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: ta

probably afraid mneu would sell them all out

[Bicephalous Bob]

ta is my interpretation of the posts I quoted in 875 correct

[Bicephalous Bob]

ta how sure would you be of ms's slip provided a cop is among us

[Bicephalous Bob]

no

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: ns

too bad we didn't get any useful information before we lynched ns for avoiding this thread

[Bicephalous Bob]

lords, is ssk still town?

ns, what are your reads based on the first thirty pages?

[Bicephalous Bob]

sure

VOTE: hop

[Bicephalous Bob]

I don't like a hopkirk wagon

He's the first person Guzame mentions by name, and normally newbscum don't know how to interact with their partners and avoid them altogether

they often have more attention for their buddies (like I have in this game)

also this wasn't guzman's first game as scum

Also look at MD's stance regarding Hopkirk

His stance involves nothing alignment indicative to call him scum

it's attempting to look like he's scumhunting but it really isn't

he did this for everyone which is why we lynched him remember

but both wagons are cool I just like to root for the underdog

[Bicephalous Bob]

Lords, is ssk still town?

[Bicephalous Bob]

HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE ISN'T THE SK etc etc

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: aj

[Bicephalous Bob]

you didnt hammer fyi

HOW DO YOU KNOW IM NOT A QUADRUPLE VOTER

[Bicephalous Bob]

Claim, please.

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: hop

[Bicephalous Bob]

from the dead QT:

I'm not really following this game anymore but how did the night action resolution go for marquis's death

the sk's kill shouldn't go through on the night he's killed, right?

also titus is scum since she replaced kat

Kills happen simultaneously.

The golden rule, man.

If you don't use NAR and still want to call this an open setup, you should detail your night action resolution in the rules next time you run this. I really think town deserved an extra lynch. Besides that and the eye roll on the first page, you guys modded perfectly

[Bicephalous Bob]

ah