Micro 322 - Managerial Merry Go Round Mafia

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I love you Guyett.

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I'll be back a little later. I'm liking where this RVS is headed, but don't get too carried away yet. It is imperative that I claim today.

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I'm at work. Duh.

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zzzx, have I played with you?

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Ugh. I was at work until midnight last night and now I'm sick. I'll read this and post today. Sorry.

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Tier I'm getting there between doing my job and blowing little bits of my brain out through my nose. Be patient please.

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To reading the fucking game. Obviously.

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No... not obviously. When this

Can we get some more Eek votes in?

came just before this

Tier I'm getting there between doing my job and blowing little bits of my brain out through my nose. Be patient please.

don't act like my interpretation was redonkulous.

No it really was. You cherry picked the most ridiculous thing in that whole post for that to be a response to. You're either using bad, superficial parsing that ignores context or you're creating a narrative.

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Additionally, instead of hounding every post I make in thread, you could back the fuck off and wait to see what I actually think. Why are you so intent on coloring my posts before I even make them?

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Please present the third option.

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Warning: Incoming notes dump.

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That is what I'm doing. I'm waiting. And when you post, I respond. Why are you so defensive?

p-edit: I did. Read again. It's there. In the last sentence.

Thar falls under 'bad parsing.'

And I'm not defensive, I'm annoyed. Because I'm having a shitty day at work and I'm sick and you're being a hyperaggressive little prick. Which is annoying.

Am I stuck in asshole gear? Probably. But right now I don't give a fuck.

I'm going home early, so I'll do the notes dump when I get there.

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OK, this is a dump of my notes up to this point:

Z is probtown

Aronis is huffing paint and also likely town.

At this point mourinho is prety much confirmed town imo. It's just that I want to know more about snork before letting mourinho claim.

Unless he's looking for a traitor. And even if mourinho is town, it could easily be that Guy told the scum about an investigative role and what it's flavor would be.

Call me scum or don't call me scum, but don't do it in this half assed way where it's somewhat implied you do, but then it's worded in such a way that you can easily dismiss it when questioned upon later.

He's doing the same to me. I find it indicative.

Eek can be in the townpile for now. As can Tier.

Sthar's entrance was just lame, and I didn't like that he had time to make a post AND a response, but couldn't be arsed to plop a vote or poke at anyone. Seemed kind of cautious, and like he wanted to avoid RVS, and the whole "I NEED TO CLAIM TODAY" just was like... wut?? Especially since we've been

talking about people claiming

and then he acts like he hasn't read and he's too busy.

So either I'm legitimately busy and sick and I hadn't done more than skim yet, or I've got a mysterious manipulative master plan that may or may not have some kind of mysterious and obscure benefit to scum? Apply the Razor, solve for x, then go feel stupid for a bit.

I understand that Aronis cannot understand the difference in effort between {three sentence post} and {reading and evaluating the game and making a serious post} but for more of you to not get that pushes the bounds of credulity.

Not at all. Instead of asking me about it like others did, he makes a judgment without even interacting with me. That tells me he's just trying to get doubt planted rather than actually figure me out. You don't make conclusions first and then ask questions.

Tu quoque. And also a semantic red herring. The absence of a question mark does not imply a lack of interaction.

Yeah eek is scum. I'm town and that push on my thoughts about sthar is so shitty.

This is scum or stupid.

What situations would you use the word "What?" with that kind of inflection ("wut")? In situations where someone says something ridiculous and you don't understand why it was said or what it means.

Not being 12 years old, I do not know the connotation behind that particular neologism. It is unreasonable of you to assume that everyone would.

I feel like you are picking on semantics, which is unnecessary and scummy. You get what the hell I'm saying, and if you don't then you need to ask, rather than playing word games and pretending like "call a cat a cat" is asking a question that any normal person would understand.

Why is your idiom any more universal than his? I understand what Eek was saying; from my perspective you're the one making a shitty semantic argument.

p-edit: I have enough experience. It doesn't matter, does it? My alignment is not dependent on my experience with mafia.

Strawman. Mafia is a behavioral analysis game. The ability of others to read you might be dependent in part on your experience. For example, your defensiveness here suggests to me that you are either school aged (and therefore particularly sensitive to such judgements) or an alt who does not want your main known (either because you're trying a new style or you're trying to escape your meta). If it's the former, your hypocrisy and superficial semantics are a dead null. If the latter, they're obstructive and probably scummy.

And how can my thoughts not be town oriented if I'm freakin town? Like that doesn't even make sense.

Holy shit do you even speak English?

p-edit: LYING!

Go fuck yourself.
Also this suggests some familiarity with me, at least enough to know my hydra. Have you played with me before?


TLDR:

Z is town, Aronis is maybe town. Tier and eek look tvt to me. That means I'm focused on {hannah, kop, snork, hop} right now. Snork is scum or having massive communications problems or both. I'm going to go throw up then sleep for like ten hours then look again.

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Incidentally I'm a compulsive day-vig. I'm fine with being chained. Discuss.

I'm strongly resisting the temptation to just kill annoying people right now.

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Uninspired=/=underrepresented. From the way he presents his reads, he doesn't convince me. It just seems like he throws reads out for the sake of throwing reads out.

Why would I need to convince you of my townreads? It's not like any of them are in danger of getting lynched.

Maybe I posted notes in the interest of process transparency? Or as an exercise in analysis as I read the thread? Or to get Snork to stop pissing on my leg?

Maybe I'm not voting because I know I'm going to reset the vote count and gain information at some point during this phase?

@Snork- I got that it was a joke. The question is whether it was inspired by playing or watching a game with the Lying Cat.

Hop's vote interests me.

My only actual scumread right now is Snork, and I'm perfectly willing to admit that it's based on less-than-sane reasons.

I'm totally down to shoot kop or hannah, obviously. Do you guys have a preference? I'm leaning kop atm, but I could also flip a coin. I'm planning on shooting early tomorrow or Sunday. I'd like everybody to chime in with their preferences before then.

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Oh yeah

Luckily I'm a role trader and I'm trading with sthar

I laughed.

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Which of them are due for prods soon?

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Who should I shoot, hop?

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If I had to shoot right now, who would you prefer that I shoot, hop?

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Give me like 12 hours and I'll have a mass of notes for this game and be fully caught up. [...]
Hold your horses then you can shoot if you're still not happy. Deal??

Deal. You have 24 hours from this post.

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We're still waiting for Starth to have to tell us who he was on day one. We're counting down and there is still nothing. So that to me is extremely suspect.

Are. you. fucking. kidding. me.

I'll give a full reads list tomorrow (if wanted) when i have more than a few minutes but atm i'm suspicious of/scum read zzzx and the day vigi guy.

Those are literally the two worst scumreads to have in this game right now. I'm a testable, claimed, chained PR and Z is so obviously newbtown that it's painful. I'm reaally looking forward to that reads list.

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I hope to be ready by the end of the day. Happy to hear suggestions.

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Sthar, if you still wanna shoot today, you need to hurry up. I'd recommend Aronis. Can you tell us who you're thinking about shooting?

Yeah sorry, got super busy at work yesterday. My pool is {hop, kop, aronis}

Hop because I think he's scum, kop for being prod-dodgy, and Aronis for being difficult to read and not posting content.

Catching up now.

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I've noticed that
The downside ofc being that you become a variable, and shooting you to remove variables is therefore viable.

I dunno. Give me a minute. I'm compiling votes now.

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Ok, here's what I've found:

sthar8 {hop, aronis, kop}
Kop {hannah, hop}
hannah26 {no fucking clue}
Aronis {hannah}
ZZZX {hop, hannah}
Hopkirk {hannah, Z}
My Milked Eek {hop, aronis}
TierShift {hop, aronis}
Snork {tier, lurkers}

That should be a list of who we want to vig by player. The top two contenders are hannah, with 4-ish votes, and hop with 5. I personally feel that hannah is the low hanging fruit/ easy counterwagon for scum. Given this, if hop flips scum I expect his partner to be in {aronis, snork} especially given snork's last comment.

I'm gonna go shower now, and leave about an hour for corrections to my assumptions. After that, barring any glaring errors on my part, I'll need Hop's claim. I expect he and I will be playing lead catch a little later.

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OK. I'm set.

Kill: Hopkirk

Spoiler:

Bang. You're dead.

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Kill: Snork

You're full of shit.

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Also, if you're town, you suck

Says the person trying to get me lynched off incorrect, presumably cold meta based on a lack of nightkill in a role madness game.

Oh nothing else to say me Sthar?

lol you're such a scum bucket and I can read you like a book.

Eat the biggest dick. Some of us have jobs.

Anyway I lied. I'm one shot. I was hoping to draw night actions.

I have some theories, but I need info first.

@ Mod: Please confirm that the following is accurate:

* This is the only way to achieve a "No Lynch" - regular lynching is achieved through plurality. (The first one with the most votes at deadline is lynched.)

p-edit dont be a moron Z.
p-edit thats definitely true, but your conclusion is idiotic. Did you decide to tell me who you are yet?

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See I knew you were a secret alt. Thanks for the confirmation.

Since you're presumably familiar with my scumgame, you should already be aware that I prioritize kills to threats. And you're definitely not a threat right now.

It's possible that the mod is lying, or we might have seen some kind of one-shot ability. Or he might have fucked up, we're all (mostly) human.

I have a light townread on snork now. He's probably correct about Tier.

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I'm not voting until I hear from the mod.

Also snork I HAD to kill yesterday. That was true. And Hop had the most 'votes'. Plus he was a good shot; hannah was too easy and kop's not even in the game.

There's no way your meta on me is pure cold. Your diction tickles something, but not all the time. Are you a hydra?

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I have a crazy theory. Waiting for the mod.

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@ snork- Yeah, diction. I'm tabling this for a bit.


Crazy speculation time:

Claims-

1-shot hider- no confirmable result

1-shot dayvig- day action

1-shot tracker- no result

1-shot lie detector- no result, possibly misused his action

We also had no lynch and no kill. Is it possible that we skipped the night phase? Z did you get "my target went nowhere" or "no result?"

I'd like to test plurality lynches today. Whoever we lynch, we should just get them to a few votes and run out the clock.

If the plurality works, Aronis is likely scum.

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I am not convinced that is a town-only role, especially in this kind of game. However hannah is pretty low on my lynch-list.

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We've got plenty of time. Give me a couple days to think and read.

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Okay so:

Shot day 1, plus mislynch day 1, plus nightkill day one leaves us with (probably) 4 town 2 scum. Which would be LYLO.

One protective role mitigates this a little, as does the fact that I'm not actually a scum vig because that's stupid, but I wouldn't be surprised at another way to stop a kill. So snork and hannah make sense. Making hannah unlynchable in some capacity is a good way to prolong the game a day or two, especially if there's a targeted protective or rb.

That means that it is extremely unlikely for me to be scum with hannah, since if she were my partner all i had to do was drop a vote on aronis to make him the deadline lynch and advance to the planned LYLO. In fact, that makes it very unlikely that hannah is scum with anyone but Tier or Kop, since no lynch serves no scum interest and Aronis was only two votes from being a deadline lynch. If hannah were scum, she and her partner jumping on aronis meant that they only needed one more mislynch. I would posit that hannah is unlikely scum at all because she wan't voting aronis, but it's not impossible that she'd wait for another vote first.

That's not really important now though, because we have three claimed investigatives. In a nine player game. So there has to be at least one scum in {Aronis, Tier, Z}. Z's not scum, and the point about which post Aronis investigated was good if not definitive. So that leaves Tier.

Also, Tier and Aronis have been trying to open up the lynch pool. They're afraid of POE. I think that means we've found our scumteam.

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Actually, don't. You're useless and blatantly so. That entire post said nothing. Absolutely nothing. No reads, no opinions, no constructive analysis, fucking nothing.

If you're town you should have gotten the fuck out a long time ago. That time has passed, and since you haven't, I'm positive it's because you're scum trying to coast without actually doing anything.

Calm your ass down and reexamine. That's not a valid case.

And for the record, Tier is scummy as fuck but his defense of himself is pretty townie. That has been giving me a lot of doubt lately.

Elaborate?

From my perspective we're POE-able. Assuming we can trust the eek-snork evidence (which I think we can), we're likely 5-2 with three conftown. That's a lynch pool of four with all of scum's kills this game accounted for. They NEED to break the POE or they lose. Tier has been trying to do that, as has aronis. I'm a really good target for that, because once you realize that a scum dayvig in a 9p role madness game is impossibly stupid they literally

cannot

win. Similarly if there's another successful protection they

cannot

win.

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Yeah, they have to.

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"all of scum's kills this game accounted for"

Scum no longer gets to choose their kills, or they lose.

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Also it's 6-2.

We lynch from {tier, hannah, me, Aronis} with a 50% chance of hitting scum. 7 players, worst case 5-2

Scum kill from {kop, eek, snork}. 6 players, worst case 4-2.

We lynch from the remaining three with a 30-60% chance of hitting scum. 5 players, worst case 3-2.

Scum kill from the remaining two. 4 players, worst case 2-2 and we lose.

That's your thinking, yeah? Now account for my perspective: I'm not scum, and obviously so. Scum dayvig is really fucking dumb and I've been supertown all game. All of those percentages go up. Now account for the massclaim. All of those percentages go up again. If town confirms me or if there's another successful protect, we get to check the entire lynch pool. Which would make the percentages not matter at all. None of the variables look good for scum.

I'm ready to lynch.

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Sweet so snork hides behind me, we probably die and then we win the game. I'm set, I have other games to get to.

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HA! I knew he was a neighborizer. Either that or you two were masons.

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bloop bloop game solved

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I don't think you should have claimed, because you had to get targeted at some point. but making scum kill out of the lynch pool solves the game just as well

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well then
VOTE: Tier

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Only you beat you, buddy.

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^ good guess. Archer. Season 2 IIRC.

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VOTE: Hannah

Wheee!

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3/4 of the surviving town lied about their role at some point.

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Yeah I should have just vigged Hannah. I just thought she got too much suspicion a little too quick.

Good game all. I'd play with any of you again.

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ebwop oh yeah they were all good lies, I just found it funny.