Mini 1563 - Vampire: The Masquerade Mafia (Fourth Evening)

[Aronis]

VOTE: Aronis

So vampires vs ghouls, huh? Looks like interesting mechanics, gonna try and and familiarize myself with them

Die, scum, die.

VOTE: The Goodfather

I'm town! Or whatever we are called.

[Aronis]

Since I am getting voted and flavor claims aren't that important(?).

I am Sasha Vykos, Tzimisce, 6th Generation.

[Aronis]

I found what Aronis did scummy, and called him on it, but it feels more like a straw grasp scumslip than a legit sort of case. Am I just being foolish? You seem really bought into it, so...I should be too?

I thought people wanted me to flavor claim?

My PM is rather unclear about what I actually am, hence the opening post.

[Aronis]

This:

My PM is rather unclear about what I actually am, hence the opening post.

Is what I'm calling bullshit on. You know you're a miller. You see the wincon. There is no reason there should be any doubt.

I'm not the damn miller!?

[Aronis]

Does your wincon and/or role name state without doubt your nature?

Not really. It talks about visiting the city and getting caught up in this mess. My wincon says I win when the prince declares no more threats. It's obvious I am town-aligned, However, what I am is rather unclear.

[Aronis]

I have an opinion about something else. Flavour claim makes me unvote

This is odd to me. Aronis didn't flavor Claim, he NameClaimed. Why exactly did this make you back down? Aside from that, why say you have an opinion about something else and then end your post? What was the opinion and what was it on? Did it refer to a ScumRead? If so, why no Vote anywhere? In short, what was the purpose in telling us you had an opinion on something without telling us what the opinion was? Finally, why haven't you followed up on it?

I have some strong beliefs about a few players' alignments, but I'd like for everyone to check in before I place a srs biz vote.

Is this SOP for you?

My vote would go on him, but I dont like d3x not rvsing me like he has done in the most recent games we have been in together. That is more concerning to me at the moment as it is opposite the norm town him.

Can I thus assume your RVS Vote is for serious, then? Humor me, at what point exactly did it become for serious?

I'd be surprised if we have vanilla vampires

When did you make this assessment?

It's neither incredibly obvious nor necessarily accurate that town are all vampires, which makes aronis's confusion reasonable enough that to attack it is unwarranted.

While this is more-or-less true, I'd still prefer to have Aronis answer SG's original question.

I detect as Human, as stated. I did not indicate whether I was or wasn't Human, Vampire, or anything else. I'm not sure what the value in clarifying that is. Is there one?

Based on my WinCon, I thought it mattered. After doing some mental reevaluating, it's fine. If someone else Claims to be a Town Aligned nonVampire {not saying that you are Claiming this at this time}, this will matter again real quick, unless the Mod is playing loose and fast with certain terms. If said time arises when hypothetical other person Claims Town aligned nonVamp, I'll be

demanding

an answer to my question. I may even tell you why.

@Aronis- Why do you have

literally nothing

to say about anything that doesn't relate directly to your RolePM?

Aronis's Iso - a d3x Retelling

1- I'm Town cause my RPM says so!
2- Here's my RPM!
3- I can't understand my RPM.

This has been another cool story, bro. Thank you for tuning in.

I'm really tempted to shake some shit up, but I'll settle for a Vote instead.

Vote:Aronis

Until I know I'm not going to die within five pages of the start, I have no reason to put effort into helping you idiots find scum.

More reasons to lynch me, Yay!

[Aronis]

And he calls us idiots...

UnVote

Hey Aronis, what are your thoughts about anything game related? Players? Wagons? Who was pushing you for scummy reasons? I mean, it's almost page 5, you may as well play the game you signed up for...

I was actually working on reads and stuff. But after seeing this post, I lost all interest.

[Aronis]

I may shed a tear.

What are your thoughts on the KthxWagon? What are your thoughts on Kthx?

I'll get to that in a min.

Reads:
Katsuki, GF, vonflare, monkeyman and empking are all null for the lack of posting.

Null,
Squirrel Girl, overall she seems town, but this early on, considering the Miller Human claim, Null for now. Maybe she is the blood gifter Kagami mentions?

Displaced, the nomination idea was not ideal, but IMO not really a scumtell at this point or anything alignment indicative at this point.

Lean Town,
LL seems to be genuine and helpful.
Kagami, a couple of her posts stood out, might cover them in a bit.

Sorting spyrex, d3x, and kthxbye now.

[Aronis]

I may shed a tear.

What are your thoughts on the KthxWagon? What are your thoughts on Kthx?

Kthx wagon? Only one person voted kthx? It would help if we had a votecount.

Kthx is alright from what I can tell.

SpyreX is null-ish atm and d3x is null/lean town-ish.

[Aronis]

Displaced, the nomination idea was not ideal

People keep saying this and are probably right but what about the flipside? Not having some organization means the scum team are gonna get the vitae for themselves more often than not. This is just as bad (or worse?) than giving scum extra incentive to kill a particular person, isn't it? I agree that my idea is flawed but we should still try to figure a way to do this better imo

I can see both sides, but ultimately I feel like it's secret for a good reason. We can't risk having everyone who gets vitae killed off, so unless a doctor can protect them I still think No and that would require a doctor claiming and they could be killed the next day. I guess BP would work too, but then scum could just claim that.

[Aronis]

If I'm right, there are breaking strategies available~

Speaking from experience of many years inside the mind of GreyICE, there isn't going to be a game breaking strategy available.

I have a 3-shot N1 vig. It'll either be spectacularly game-breaking or spectacularly game-failing.

Don't shoot me!

[Aronis]

I may shed a tear.

What are your thoughts on the KthxWagon? What are your thoughts on Kthx?

I'll get to that in a min.

Reads:
Katsuki, GF, vonflare, monkeyman and empking are all null for the lack of posting.

EDIT: vonflare, lean scum.

Null,
Squirrel Girl, overall she seems town, but this early on, considering the Miller Human claim, Null for now. Maybe she is the blood gifter Kagami mentions?

Displaced, the nomination idea was not ideal, but IMO not really a scumtell at this point or anything alignment indicative at this point.

Lean Town,
LL seems to be genuine and helpful.
Kagami, a couple of her posts stood out, might cover them in a bit.

Sorting spyrex, d3x, and kthxbye now.

I may shed a tear.

What are your thoughts on the KthxWagon? What are your thoughts on Kthx?

Kthx wagon? Only one person voted kthx? It would help if we had a votecount.

Kthx is alright from what I can tell.

SpyreX is null-ish atm and d3x is null/lean town-ish.

Displaced, the nomination idea was not ideal

People keep saying this and are probably right but what about the flipside? Not having some organization means the scum team are gonna get the vitae for themselves more often than not. This is just as bad (or worse?) than giving scum extra incentive to kill a particular person, isn't it? I agree that my idea is flawed but we should still try to figure a way to do this better imo

I can see both sides, but ultimately I feel like it's secret for a good reason. We can't risk having everyone who gets vitae killed off, so unless a doctor can protect them I still think No and that would require a doctor claiming and they could be killed the next day. I guess BP would work too, but then scum could just claim that.

Of course we're just going to happen to 'miss' these posts aren't we?

[Aronis]

While I mostly agree, understand that there are things he can be that are not vampires and still town, assuming Ghouls are scum (which is a rather large assumption, but one that seems fair?).

Ghouls are explicitly mentioned in the fluff as the scum. I don't think hat's much of an assumption at all.

Also, I don't think there's much value in insulting D3x, let's not do that? This is the Prince's domain after all, and he likes to keep order, and too many insults could unleash the beast

Until I know I'm not going to die within five pages of the start, I have no reason to put effort into helping you idiots find scum.

Why not? Just because other people are idiots I'm not sure why that should stop the game from being played. But, I will admit (and I am often called an idiot) that I'm not sure why your current wagon is so bad. Can you talk me through why it's obviously a wagon of idiots? Like, what have you done that should make people not be voting you? Can you give me an example of someone who is scummier than you that more people should be voting?

@D3xie - Have you played with Lady Lambda and Spyrex before? They appear mildly attached at the hip in a weird way and I'm trying to figure out why. If it's a normal thing I could at least shrug and walk away from it. Do you have any insight in that regard?

I did give reads with basic explanations.

My wagon had no logical explanation behind it. It was based off of an RVS post and I still don't understand it. They were voting me for claiming town. Which is pathetic. It only reeks of their incapabilities in the art of scumhunting.

[Aronis]

I did give reads with basic explanations.

You gave out a lot of null reads. You actually gave out no scumreads despite finding your wagon as bad as you claim to. What are you going to do to sort your null reads out and maybe find scum?

My wagon had no logical explanation behind it. It was based off of an RVS post and I still don't understand it. They were voting me for claiming town. Which is pathetic. It only reeks of their incapabilities in the art of scumhunting.

So you don't think anyone voting you is particularly scum or town, just bad at scumhunting...but you also don't have any particular scum reads? Why, then, is it odd for them to be willing to vote you for a nullish act? If no one looks like scum then why not pressure someone just to see what happens?

It's hard to find scum when people post once or twice the whole game. Unless you're one of those idiots.

[Aronis]

VOTE: MonkeyMan

Do something.

[Aronis]

Of course we're just going to happen to 'miss' these posts aren't we?

I didn't miss them. I excluded them from my quote list because I did not find them terribly relevant.

And the moment I call you scummy, you edit your reads list to include me as scum? That is the definition of omgus.

Meta: I OMGUS constantly.

[Aronis]

Then go to hell.

It takes 7 people to lynch me.

[Aronis]

So, if you had to choose RIGHT NOW, who would you lynch?

You.

[Aronis]

@Aronis- Then why aren't you Voting him? Likewise, why did you pick Monkey to Vote over Emp & GF?

I actually need to:

UNVOTE:

Monkey wasn't posting either, until that. See: I'm getting people active.

VOTE: Empking

My vote would be on vonflare, but atm I'm getting people active. So you'll have to wait a while von.

[Aronis]

So, if you had to choose RIGHT NOW, who would you lynch?

You.

Says someone is their top scumread, without actually voting them.

hmm.

Who

actually

reads Aronis as town right now?

I have to keep up my scummy as hell meta, so when I am scum, no one can tell.

[Aronis]

I have little flavor knowledge. I didn't know I was that powerful of a vampire.

[Aronis]

Vote: Monkeyman

And I assume you plan on explaining?

[Aronis]

Monkeyman and aronis supporting each other. all the time.

monkey/aronis scumteam?

Just a thought.

[Aronis]

Vote: Monkeyman

And I assume you plan on explaining?

What do you need me to explain? Do you think he's town? Or are you interested in voting him if I give you a few talking points? I could be interested in that, I suppose. Let me know.

He's pretty much null. Like the majority of everyone else.

I could be persuaded. Maybe.

[Aronis]

Why are you taking exception to her Vote, but not mine?

Another, more probable conclusion, is that I didn't see it.

So why did you vote monkeyman?

[Aronis]

Why are you taking exception to her Vote, but not mine?

Probably because I'm way more fun to interact with

But this is actually a good point...I'm not sure what it would mean, but it is odd. But, isn't the only way it's an issue is that you'd be Aronis' scumpartner?

He's pretty much null. Like the majority of everyone else.

I could be persuaded. Maybe.

Why do you think he defended you and even didn't seem to understand the fairly obvious case on you when he did so?

If you are suggesting a me and monkeyman scum team, that's not helping your case.

Mod can we get another VC and maybe Prod GF/empking?

[Aronis]

Why are you taking exception to her Vote, but not mine?

Probably because I'm way more fun to interact with

But this is actually a good point...I'm not sure what it would mean, but it is odd. But, isn't the only way it's an issue is that you'd be Aronis' scumpartner?

He's pretty much null. Like the majority of everyone else.

I could be persuaded. Maybe.

Why do you think he defended you and even didn't seem to understand the fairly obvious case on you when he did so?

If you are suggesting a me and monkeyman scum team, that's not helping your case.

Mod can we get another VC and maybe Prod GF/empking?

And Katsuki along with half of the fairly inactive playerlist.

[Aronis]

VOTE: Monkey

Isn't that town. Counterwagon! I'm still going to vote you someday, vonflare!

[Aronis]

Dayvig?

[Aronis]

I'd assume that you're town. However, how trustworthy you are with it is questionable.

[Aronis]

Well, that was sure dumb if you actually are a dayvig.

You should claim.

[Aronis]

I already know who the other scum is *hint*vonflare*hint*

I'm just impatient, that's all. And not really sure that you did vig him.

[Aronis]

I'm confused and exhausted.

[Aronis]

VOTE: vonflare!

[Aronis]

Vote:Aronis

Going for the mislynch/miskill combo, aye?

[Aronis]

I'm going for the 'get rid of the scummy players b/c one of them is probably Scum' combo.

Why'd you have to be conf town?

[Aronis]

VOTE: vonflare!

Could you be so kind as to quote for me a post where I did something scummy?

Every post? Well not quite. Of course.

[Aronis]

Of course we're just going to happen to 'miss' these posts aren't we?

I didn't miss them. I excluded them from my quote list because I did not find them terribly relevant.

And the moment I call you scummy, you edit your reads list to include me as scum? That is the definition of omgus.

Twisting what I said, cutting posts up, making them sound scummy.

Scum traits.

Your turn.

[Aronis]

Breaking news. The majority of people here are incredibly inactive.

[Aronis]

Wow. I missed a lot.

So, d3x is a day vigilante. Probably means hes town.

VOTE: aronis[/v

Claiming that you were lurking=does not help town

Voting me, a powerful vampire, without an explanantion.

Vampires are town.

[Aronis]

Breaking news. The majority of people here are incredibly inactive.

How is this relevant?

I can't convince people who aren't posting or reading the game.

[Aronis]

I'm going for the 'get rid of the scummy players b/c one of them is probably Scum' combo.

Why'd you have to be conf town?

^he's conf town?

Dayvig doesn't make him conf-town, but his post history makes him close. He's clearly got an itchy trigger finger from the outset, and appears willing to let town-reads have some input on the shot (e.g. 85). Scum d3x would prob want to keep it under his hat for a surprise win if he makes it to lylo or save it for when he's under lynch-threat and could "conf-town" himself then.

Katsuki is obv lying about his role (or that it's anything like what he described) at this point, but I'm not sure how to interpret that.

I have too many scumreads and not enough townreads (High tier: displaced, SG, d3x; low tier: Spyrex). We kind of need to wait for the V/LAs and replaces. Now might be a good time to work out our diablerie plan.

I'd kind of rather give diablerie to someone other than d3x (who I don't want to see NKed) unless he needs it asap. I agree with spyrex that it should go to a low-tier townread (I'm down to give it to spyrex himself, atm, but depending on what happens with katsuki slot, that might be a good place too).

What if we make a pool? For example, spyreX, katuski, and vonflare? Then people give it to whoever they want out of that group. That ways scum don't know who has it, but the town has some organization.

[Aronis]

I don't want to give vonflare diablerie,

Are you calling me scum, or are you just saying that I shouldn't get diablarie because it would be better used elsewhere?

Probably thinks I could use it better.

Truth.

No

[Aronis]

I don't want to give vonflare diablerie, nor do I think there being uncertainty in the recipient is a good idea. If such a pool consisted of 3 or more people, then it's basically whichever among them scum chooses. A pool of two, even, means that it's scum pick among the two, most likely.

Two people works. There are twelve people left. Probably 3 scum, 9 town. Scum all votes for one person. The town can still overcome that and if you pick two town. You have a win win with whoever gets it.

Let's say d3x and sprex are chosen. If all of the town votes for one of them, even if the scum vote elsewhere, we are guaranteed a majority.

[Aronis]

Because I find people's ideas about it worth evaluating.

Also, I'm unwilling to lynch without a full town anyway.

Good luck with that. . .

[Aronis]

Whatev.

I'll just vote for myself. Can we do that?

[Aronis]

Here's to hoping Arc does more then our last replacement has!

[Aronis]

caught to pg8 I'll continue after.

Vote: Monkey

You do realize he is. . . Uhm, Dead?

[Aronis]

If he is mafia we're already sunk. . .

[Aronis]

If he is mafia we're already sunk. . .

Didn't mean to hit submit yet.

I'm okay with that for today.

[Aronis]

Maybe we should scumhunt and determine who we are actually lynching?

[Aronis]

Maybe we should scumhunt and determine who we are actually lynching?

This post makes no sense.

The diablarie discussion promotes, well,

discussion

, which is used to scumhunt.

So what would you suggest we do, other than discuss? RVS?

Scumhunting is occuring as a side effect of this conversation!

Based on this conversation, I am lynching Kagami.

VOTE: Kagami

Or Katsuki for voting a Dead guy.

[Aronis]

Alright I am back.

I actually am townreading vonflare
and also aronis

Wow.

[Aronis]

Whoops posted wrong. NOT ARONIS
SCUMREADING ARONIS

What the hell is wrong with you!?!?!

[Aronis]

I don't want to give vonflare diablerie,

Are you calling me scum, or are you just saying that I shouldn't get diablarie because it would be better used elsewhere?

Probably thinks I could use it better.

Truth.

No

What does this mean? why did greyice put the word "NO" after the post?

Hmm. . .

[Aronis]

Please correct me if i am wrong.
So vampire are town and ghoul are scum?
Are there any humans? Is there anyone possibly prince?

I liked the story but rules are pretty confusing.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

She doesn't know what the town are called!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She must be scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lynch her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



UNVOTE:

Beware. . .

[Aronis]

Please correct me if i am wrong.
So vampire are town and ghoul are scum?
Are there any humans? Is there anyone possibly prince?

I liked the story but rules are pretty confusing.

Actually being helpful-

Vampires are town. Squirrel Girl claimed Miller/Human whatever. So Yes. Ghouls are scum, I think.

[Aronis]

Please correct me if i am wrong.
So vampire are town and ghoul are scum?
Are there any humans? Is there anyone possibly prince?

I liked the story but rules are pretty confusing.

Actually being helpful-

Vampires are town. Squirrel Girl claimed Miller/Human whatever. So Yes. Ghouls are scum, I think.

Idk about a Prince.

[Aronis]

I've seen a first page Miller claim from an SK before for what it's worth.

[Aronis]

Since you didn't express much doubt of my claim - I'm not sure what it is worth, but that's good to know I suppose

I'm 'nicer' to millers, because Ik what it's like to get policy lynched day 1 in one of your first games solely for claiming miller.

For what it's worth.

[Aronis]

proddodge

VOTE: Katsuki

[Aronis]

I'm leaning Town on Kthx.

@Kthx- Do you want me to answer any of the questions you asked me in your Wall? Vote AA9 with me. Why the hell are you not?

@Aronis- What happened to your plan of Voting for MIA players over ScumReads?

I am voting Katsuki for not posting substantial content?

I'll reply to the rest later. I gtg somewhere soon.

[Aronis]

But does that make me scum?

You're not even voting me cuz im scum.

I'm voting you because of policy.

What idiot tries to lynch a dead man?

[Aronis]

@Aronis - do you honestly believe that voting a dead person is a valid reason to want to policy lynch them? That's really no worse or of less info than someone who isn't voting anyone, right?

This is the second game I have played with Katsuki. This is the second pathetic useless idiotic performance I've seen. I am not moving my vote.

[Aronis]

You apparently need a lot more than my vote to wagon me....It's prolly because everyone else saw that I was V/LA.

Maybe so - so what?

The point is about making connections. The point is noting this stuff as it comes around in the event of my untimely demise so that it doesn't just sit in my notes. I'm not going to even attempt to figure out what is going on in your head, dear. And you're incorrect, he dodged and YOU ignored that he dodged it, which ties it to you doll.

How? Like, what was my scum gain in ignoring his dodge? Is the logic that he's my scumbuddy? Well, okay, why wouldn't I point that out then and use it to tie you to him? Seriously, what is the scum motivation you see here?

-So nothing. Was a snide remark concerning you failing.
-Scum screw up. That's how they get caught. Could it be you were too busy trying to look town and forgot the questions you ask people as you already know alignments...maybe...again, it's pointed out for future reference.
-Where is your vote? You have Aronis as scummy, AA as poor play so far as well as Kat yet you have not thrown down a vote or built an actual case for anyone. Lots of questions with no follow up. Tick tock, times at less than a week. Take a stance with a vote.

Back but no time right now.

VOTE: Vonflare

for that scummy question he asked

Willing to lynch in [Vonflare, Aronis, AA9, Kats] today I think

Which scummy question? Also, walk me through how it makes him scum from your POV.
Also, if you are willing to lynch from that pool and only you are voting Von, are you going to tell us why he's scum and why we should vote him or are you good just staying off the Aronis wagon?

@Aronis - do you honestly believe that voting a dead person is a valid reason to want to policy lynch them? That's really no worse or of less info than someone who isn't voting anyone, right?

tbh I think Kats may have been trying to fake a townslip there

Is this a more solid read than whatever question Von asked? What is you opinion of the relationship between Kat and Aronis?

@Aronis - do you honestly believe that voting a dead person is a valid reason to want to policy lynch them? That's really no worse or of less info than someone who isn't voting anyone, right?

This is the second game I have played with Katsuki. This is the second pathetic useless idiotic performance I've seen. I am not moving my vote.

From what I can tell, you were scum and he was town? If he was town last game and is acting in a similar way this game, does that make him more likely town or scum this game and why?

We were both town. My vote is policy. Nothing more, nothing less and I am not changing it.

[Aronis]

WHILE IM ON IT

YOU FUCKING USCK
AS A MAFIA PLAYER
GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD
BEFORE YOU CONTINUE CALLING ME SHIT

CATCH TWO SCUM IN SELKIE GF
AND YOU SPEND ENTIRE TIME
"LOLOL NOPE USELESS KAT U SCUM AND DUMB"

THE ONLY DEAD WEIGHT IF EVER
IS YOU
ARONIS

At least I am active and actually post content. Not to mention mature enough to have a civilized discussion without the need of capitalizing everything.

[Aronis]

OMG.

ANNOUNCMENT!

MONKEY IS DEAD! DAY VIGGED BY D3X.

[Aronis]

I would, but policy.

[Aronis]

Then why don't you lynch me?

[Aronis]

Really?

VOTE: mnemonicdevice

[Aronis]

WHILE IM ON IT

YOU FUCKING USCK
AS A MAFIA PLAYER
GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD
BEFORE YOU CONTINUE CALLING ME SHIT

CATCH TWO SCUM IN SELKIE GF
AND YOU SPEND ENTIRE TIME
"LOLOL NOPE USELESS KAT U SCUM AND DUMB"

THE ONLY DEAD WEIGHT IF EVER
IS YOU
ARONIS

At least I am active and actually post content. Not to mention mature enough to have a civilized discussion without the need of capitalizing everything.

ITS NOT CONTENT IF ITS SHITPOSTING

My response to your raging:

[Aronis]

Hey guys, she promised, we can totes trust her now!

I can put it to a lot better use.

I'll try to answer questions, etc. later tonight/tomorrow.

[Aronis]

I firmly am behind LLD having it. At this point, I don't particularly want it.

Personally, I dislike the idea of giving it to LLD. The way LLD has been about getting it gives me weird vibes.

[Aronis]

I WAS voting Katsuki for lack of content. Then when Katsuki started posting, my read transformed and my vote was for his/her usual idiotic play.

[Aronis]

I have seen MD play before. Half the time.. he just runs around and gets mislynched. He is just a bad player. His contributions are poor, he practically wont read any game he plays. if you had checked his meta you would know this. I see every reason why scum may use him as lynch bait.

Doesn't mean he can't be scum.

Despite the fun in watching these fascinating events, I don't think they are very telling alignment wise.

[Aronis]

I really don't want Katsuki to get it. I'm still OK with LLD.

[Aronis]

LLD's.

It's more of a general town consensus.

[Aronis]

if she's a miller, what makes you think she has any abilities that will be useful to give her the diablerie.

I'm still the best choice.

Change that. I am unwilling to give the diablerie to LLD.

[Aronis]

My nomination of LLD depends heavily on the flip.

[Aronis]

Lets lynch LLD first
next Aronis!!!

Why?

[Aronis]

My nomination of LLD depends heavily on the flip.

I thought it depended on how much she wants the nom. Why does your stance keep flipping strongly on it despite her continually not doing anything different?

My opinion on it: I don't want to give it to her because of her wanting the nom. However, if mnemonic flips scum, considering she found the 'slip' and started the wagon. I will give it to her.

[Aronis]

So did you idiots give LLD the vitae?

So if the three of us are almost out/out, I doubt the rest of us are in good shape either.

[Aronis]

VOTE: LLD

Congrats on the mislynch! Not liking Kagami after that either. Vonflare is still scum too.

[Aronis]

Mod, Can I vote to give myself the diablerie?

Maybe we can just wait and see, then whoever doesn't run out of vitae is scum. The only problem is nobody will be around to lynch them.

[Aronis]

So what is this formula for ensured balance?

[Aronis]

How would you balance a game in which half the town might suicide on day 2?

Start talking. before I decide the only way you know this stuff is because you are scum.

[Aronis]

Veronica, 13th Generation Gangrel

She apparently likes the Protean discipline because she put 3 points into it.

Ability: Earth Meld- 1 Vitae, become untargetable at night (Dawn in this game, fuck these terms lol).

So yeah, Commuter.

Your ability takes 1 vitae and you were asking for it?

You didn't even need it, unlike the rest of us.

[Aronis]

I don't know anything other than that which is evident to reason.

Unfortunately, I'm somewhat crippled in that respect, since there are two important pieces of information that are not yet publicly available.

And they are?

Actually, just for fun aronis, let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine we lynch aronis today, and imagine he flips town.
We give diab to d3x.
AA9 and katsuki die from having no vitae.
Scum kills d3x.

day 3 begins with Me, LLD, Vonflare, Spyrex, Kthx, Displaced alive.

What do you think hypothetical town should do on day 3?

Lynch vonflare?

Sorry, but I suck at these mind games. Are you suggesting that there aren't very many ghouls? And what about the flavor?

[Aronis]

I nominated LLD. I simply don't understand the desperate need for diablerie, when we have other roles, that are more useful and take more vitae.

[Aronis]

There wasn't a flip until after we had voted on diablerie.

Drink Blood Pack

[Aronis]

I act impulsively. The desperation for human blood overtook me.

[Aronis]

Give me a chance to claim before hand?

[Aronis]

Aronis, explain this asap.

I was worried that it would be a FFA for it, so I just grabbed it. I could use the extra vitae and felt safer yaving it then some others.

[Aronis]

Dammit. Fine, you win.

You forced my hand. I am untargetable by any actions and cannot be killed, unless lynched and if lynched, no one can gain diablerie from me. If targeted, I may channel those actions into someone else. However, because of this, I am forced to consume two additional vitae each night. Without the additional vitae, I would've died tonight. I am Sasha Vykos.

[Aronis]

I started with 5 vitae, that gave me 1.

[Aronis]

Sorta, why?

[Aronis]

Well my bulletproof/redirect thingy is called 'shape the flesh' I think. Lemme check.

[Aronis]

What???

[Aronis]

What???

How long does it take to pull up your PMs?

I had to go do something. This is the layout of my PM:

(Name, Clan, Generation)

(Flavor Paragraph)

(Ability[ies] name[Shape the Flesh] - explanation)

(Vitae Amount)

(Win Con)