Micro 353: Greatest Idea Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Maruchan]

Marquis:

Town One-Shot Dayvig

VOTE: Marquis

Why would you throw that away. Why.

[Maruchan]

Yum yum.
The discards don't mean anything.

Not true. White the ALIGNMENT of the discards means nothing, the ROLES discarded do mean something more.

[Maruchan]

TBH, after reading snscompt1's ninja of my post, I want to remove my RVS vote on my favorite role of all time, and place a serious vote on VOTE: snscompt1


Quickest game out of RVS ever?

[Maruchan]

Marquis:

Town One-Shot Dayvig

VOTE: Marquis

Why would you throw that away. Why.

Yum yum.
The discards don't mean anything.

Why would scum throw away a dayvig?

That wasn't a scum vote, that was a "I hate you thats my favorite role in the world" vote.

[Maruchan]

I claim Town 1-shot day-vig

Kill: snscompt1

inb4 you all vote me, go meta me. Particularly in PYP 5: Democracy Ho!


Going to go with my gut instinct on him being scum here, and kill him before he can change my mind.

[Maruchan]

I am telling you right now, snscompt is not going to be lynched.

Just sheep me to victory.

You're right, he's going to be day vig'd

[Maruchan]

@mod Is Marquis or Maestro playing?

Maestro is playing. All references to Marquis as it pertains to the slot's active player have been fixed. Thank you for the heads-up.

I claim Town 1-shot day-vig

Kill: snscompt1

inb4 you all vote me, go meta me. Particularly in PYP 5: Democracy Ho!


Going to go with my gut instinct on him being scum here, and kill him before he can change my mind.

[Maruchan]

Oh shit I did it again.

wrong syntax

Dayvig: snscompt1

[Maruchan]

Oh shit I did it again.

wrong syntax

Dayvig: snscompt1

Flashbacks to PYP 5

[Maruchan]

assuming beastcharaziard is partner, he is now confirmed townie.


Also, everyone take a nice close look at the wincons, they are a little different than most mafia games. Mafia and town have the same wincon, meaning a 2v2 mafia and town 4-way isn't a mafia win like most mafia games. I asked mod for clarification to be sure during pregame, and he said that was correct.

[Maruchan]

Rofl

dayvig:aronis

I swear, if this is for realz, lmfao

[Maruchan]

Werewolf One-Shot Dayvig, and a Town Watcher

[Maruchan]

OH SHIT ROB13 IS HERE?!?!?!?!?

WHATSUP BROSKI

[Maruchan]

What is bloodsucker, it isn't in the role PMs on the wiki

[Maruchan]

treestump a player?

[Maruchan]

snscompt1 has been killed Day 1. He was a

Lyncher Mason

.

VOTE: beastcharizard

Mason's aren't confirmed town.

[Maruchan]

Beast what card did you get & pick, town mason, werewolf mason, or survivor mason?

[Maruchan]

Also, we weren't confirmed town anyway. We were just confirmed not mafia and assumed town.

I figured it was my reaction to your dayvig that got you to town read me not the fact that I was a Mason.

How is it confirmed not mafia?

[Maruchan]

There are werewolf masons in setup. Unless mod confirmed, you weren't confirmed. Therefore vote stands

[Maruchan]

Plus roles are picked ambiguously of alignment

[Maruchan]

Plus roles are picked ambiguously of alignment

I am confirmed not Mafia. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia

The first blacklisted role is Mafia Mason. No where have I said that any other option of Mason isn't possible. I could in theory be any other alignment but I am town.

Werewolf is essentially the same as mafia, werewolf masons

[Maruchan]

Plus roles are picked ambiguously of alignment

I am confirmed not Mafia. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia

The first blacklisted role is Mafia Mason. No where have I said that any other option of Mason isn't possible. I could in theory be any other alignment but I am town.

if Mafia Mason is blacklisted why is Werewolf Mason not, and vice versa?

[Maruchan]

Ok, after reading through the thread, I think Maestro, Aronis and maybe Maruchan are scum.

I'm getting some tells early in the game that Maruchan and Maestro are indirectly communicating with one another. This string of posts strike me odd.

TBH, after reading snscompt1's ninja of my post, I want to remove my RVS vote on my favorite role of all time, and place a serious vote on VOTE: snscompt1


Quickest game out of RVS ever?

I'll bite. Wagon ho!

VOTE: sns

I claim Town 1-shot day-vig

Kill: snscompt1

inb4 you all vote me, go meta me. Particularly in PYP 5: Democracy Ho!


Going to go with my gut instinct on him being scum here, and kill him before he can change my mind.

He seems like he is communicating with his partner whether not he should dayvig sns, and Maestro approves of it by voting and one minute later, Maru kills and it happens to hit a different type of scum, which gains him some towncred.

And for Aronis,

VOTE: Aronis

Discards do mean something. I think this is where we should go today.

Why are you going after me for being one of the few people to throw away an anti town role?

This made me lol. Using discards to prove you are town? Nope.


Gonna vote for Aronis, since I'm more confident in him being scum, then Maestro and Maru. If I had to guess, Maru and Maestro are the mafia and Aronis is werewolf/alien/3rd party.
VOTE: Aronis

P-Edit:

Hello.

Heyyy. You're late. Some1 already got shot and I may be getting shot, idk.

Sorry, lol. For some reason, emails aren't being sent whenever I get a PM, so I have to check manually.

Mafia communicating in thread is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, and any mafia team doing so deserves to be strung up. Which is why I would never do so. IDK about Maestro, he might. You also miss the fact that I was surprised marquis was maestro. Wouldn't I know my own mafia partners if I was mafia, especially since if you read the wiki role PMs, they have pregame quicktopic access?


Like why would I be surprised by the identity of my partner I don't even

[Maruchan]

DAMNIT I WANTED TO VOTE HIM AND I ALMOST VOTED HIM THEN I READ HE WAS AT L-1!

THAT SCUMSLIP THOUGH


fuck it

[Maruchan]

fuck it.

VOTE: Aronis


that scumslip though

[Maruchan]

Maestro, I'm going to need to know why I have you as visiting the deceased right about immediately.

This can probably be assumed to be LyLo, so no quick voting please.

looks at Maru

awww comeon, can't I vote Maestro with an intro like that?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Maruchan]

Ok, we are most likely in LYLO/MYLO situation right now, because we have not seen a mafia/werewolf/alien flip.

Right now, Maestro is at the top of my suspicion list.

P-Edit: This reminds me, should we massclaim?

at this point me and rob are essentially claimed. So that only leaves like 3 un-claimed right?


PEDIT: not even a little tiny vote?

VOTE: Maestro

[Maruchan]

UNVOTE: Maestro

[Maruchan]

26 six seconds and you didn't hammer, you're clear rob13 and bladeagle.

reaction test worked.

good job everyone. KIDDING

[Maruchan]

And yes, we should mass claim, preferably in this order:

Maestro, baldeagle, Not_Mafia

I've already claimed, more or less.

I'm just curious what variant of tracker/watcher/angel/similarly skilled individual you are, but it's best to wait on THAT until AFTER Maestro answers the question

[Maruchan]

Maru, I swear to god. You're currently confirmed town, but you can still be confirmed stupid if you continue doing that.

<3 though

^_^

one more time?

[Maruchan]

Agreed, rob fullclaims AFTER at a MINIMUM maestro claims, and answers the accused.

[Maruchan]

I hate scum, because Apparently, I ALWAYS look scummy as fuck, unless my role shenanigans are able to overcome my scum-factor and clear me in peoples' perceptions as just being an overtly defensive guy.

Seeing as how you and maestro both know me, I figured that wouldn't be as big an issue this game, because you understand my derpyness is just ME, and not my alignment, and that I like to pick fights, and defend my actions, which are usually quite insane. Meaning I figured I'd at least be safe from hitting you and M's automatic scum list.


I like SOME third parties, as long as the third party is something that can joint with town, such as the lynchers are capable of winning alongside town.

I prefer anything where I get to day-vig FATE in the face, mess up the syntax, and take a second potshot at his face. Those are the best. I typically tend to be town-aligned in those kinds of games.



Come to think of it, a mafia-aligned day-vig would be pretty badass, because i nsituations where its mylo/lylo with an even number of players and the vote is at L2 or L1, you can fuckin come in vote/vig, and win. Unless the mod does like this mod does and resets votes at a vig. That makes sense from a modding/balance standpoint, and helps town to stop such. But I don;t know.

Be right back inning for the greater idea mafia hoping for mafia day vig. muhahahahahaha

kidding.


But yeah, I prefer anything not scum, and then joint-able thirds, and then townies with badass powerroles. Vanilla Town sucks.

[Maruchan]

Anyone else wanna do a claim of our original roll roles?

I was a town reflexive-doctor. I doctor'd any role who visited me.

[Maruchan]

bedtime, gotta be up in 6 hours. night guys. see you tomorrow at like 3

[Maruchan]

I play town best, so I prefer to play as town, but every once in awhile I like to roll scum.

Oh my god, I want to vote this guy just for his answer here! "I prefer town because I'm good at town, but I also like scum sometimes" I mean come on. So generalized doesn't really say anything but implies that you'd pick town when given the choice bullshit


ugh.


I suck at town but I still prefer to play town. so your reasoning is invalid.

[Maruchan]

Also I'll go into detail about this if anybody else wants to try it, but there's a semi-foolproof way to claim successfully in this game type given how the Mod sent out Role PMs. If anybody else can figure it out and / or wants to utilize it here be my guest. As the first forum Mod it was a nightmare for me but I specifically told JerryArr about it pre-game and he seemed unperturbed.

Numbers

[Maruchan]

I'm ... not sure how that's possible given the result I had? If you had a different PR, I could see myself being busdriven, but a town ascetic would be literally not possible unless there's a role I'm unaware of in the greatest idea role list. Let me double check that list.

Baldeagle's turn to claim.

Maestro, I already said I was wrong about Maru = confTown, I think. I'm still thinking town for him, though, given exactly how much of a derp he's been.

Role list cent be trusted. Between flips, discards, claims, and my six cards I saw, this mod added his own to the deck

[Maruchan]

Maru y u no react to anything that happened last page or so?

I was replying as I read. And on my phone. Done do good long phone posts. Last page deserves long post. Will,comment at work tomorrow morning or on lunch. Expect decently sized post

[Maruchan]

You said it's in the Role PM, right? I'm literally staring at it, and it all seems standard. :/

Lol. Halfway through his first sentence, I was like. I GET IT. You'll see it eventually

[Maruchan]

Wont explain until after massclaims of roles and cards used occurs.

[Maruchan]

The "cards" given to each player are numbered in our Role PMs, Rob.
There can only be one "card" of each number, irregardless of whichever Role is on said numbered card.

Mods should be explicitly told NOT to provide those numbers, because it provides a situation (albeit a risky one) in which all cards obtained by a player could be semi-verified within a reasonable doubt. The reasonable doubt is if somebody was either extremely savvy or extremely lucky or both and picked the specific number of a specific card that ---

A: fit into whatever fake claim they were attempting to produce AND
B: did not directly conflict with the numbered card somebody else got OR
C: did not directly conflict with the numbered card somebody else tried to use for a fake claim

...which admittedly doesn't require TOO much luck, but it makes Roleclaiming a bit more of a locked procedure for Scum and bit more of an obvious-tell for Town.

PEDIT: I'm Townreading you currently, but you're being both too smart and too dumb here, dude.

GOD DAMN IT DUDE HOW ARE YOU THIS DUMB

NOW SCUM AN JUST FAKECLAIM AFTER LOOKING AT WIKI AND PICK THE NUMBER OF THE CARD THEY WANT TO CLAIM THEY GOT

i specifically said no explaining until after massclaims.

urgh

[Maruchan]

I was laughing my ass off all through Rob's post, because killing tn is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'd do. When I saw he was the scum kill, i laughed sooooooo hard.

[Maruchan]

Maru, the whole point is Scum COULD fake claim anyway, but if they choose any number somebody else got they're royally fucked.

oh I didn't see that part. I see I see. Makes more sense now.

[Maruchan]

not having a terribly good day. Got woken up at 1AM to my phone AND the Base PA system (usually used to sing the national anthem at sunset and sunrise) blaring about tornado warning hitting naval station norfolk, and now all day today we've been under hurricane/tropical storm warnings, with intermittent blaring of the base PA's system. I distinctly remember SOMEBODY asking me a question, what was it?

[Maruchan]

@maruchan Did you really think Beast was scum day 1 or were you voting for pressure?

OH THAT

I was voting him because he was a mason with a lyncher mason, so I figured he should die because the masons weren't guaranteed town, so he needed to die.

[Maruchan]

…what?

Literally what?

So much what

The what does not compute

So because someone is not guaranteed town, you should lynch them? I just … what?

I don't think this is alignment indicative, by the way, but seriously, whaaaaaaaaat

Well because the first mason wasn't town, so I figured that if someone were to crunch numbers and stats and whatnot, there were good odds the second mason wasn't town. I mean it makes sense. One dead mason has flipped and outted his budy, and was anti-town. SPEAKING OF WHICH, did they REALLY both pick the same cards, or was that some mod-shenanigans to make them both lynchers? Like was one a town mason and one a lyncher mason, and then since they were mason'd together the mod gave them both a lyncher wincon? Or did two people happen to BOTH pick lyncher mason in the same game out of three possible cards? What's the likelyhood here?

TWO lyncher cards, and 8 mason cards? And the way the lyncher cards worked, is they would have had differing targets as well.


So I figured beast was a good lynch.

[Maruchan]

I've always played mafia were the masonbloc was a team, that essentially worked towards the same goal, and had a similar wincon. I've never played a mafia game where masons were opposing factions. so I figured if one mason is lyncherscum, why cant second mason be scum.

[Maruchan]

because one mason already flipped anti-town. How does that NOT make it more likely his partner is anti-town? AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE EXITED LYNCHER MASON #2!!!!!

[Maruchan]

I thought everyone had already claimed? Those that haven't claimed need to claim.

[Maruchan]

I'm not doing the "number thing" until you all contribute more to the claim conversation / finish the claim chain we already had in place
Maru's logic is completely invalid - it's not like they were Lovers or a Scumteam, there's no reason AT ALL that " Mason1 = notTown ∴ Mason2 = notTown "

( yes, the odds that they both get Lyncher AND Mason in some form are pretty low, but it obviously happened and it would be completely inappropriate for the Mod to intervene in the way he described )

I believe everyone has claimed already and what is there to talk about? I think Maru is a scum dayvig because he recklessly used his shot, I believe Rob, Maestro and NM's claims since NM's result matches up with Maestro's claim and I liked Rob's gambit, so I'm pretty sure it's Maru.

Wouldn't scum dayvig have saved their shot for a lylo situation, and used it to win without having to lynch?

Besides, my recklessly using my shot is not alignment indicative. go read PYP5 democracy ho on my wiki. I like to recklessly shoot. Day Vig is my all time favorite role, irregardless of alignment cuz I love shooting crazy on day 1

[Maruchan]

I'd like to note that NM's result matching Maestro's claim after Maestro's claim is public knowledge means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

Wouldn't a scum dayvig use their shot then attempt to WIFOM their way out of any sticky situations that result? Wouldn't a specifically Maru scum dayvig definitely do that?

Hint for those who may not be acclimated with Maru: The answer is yes.

The kill is more of a reason for me to want to lynch you than the shot, to be honest.

Nah a Maru anything dayvig would shoot day one preferably before the end pf page one, irregardless of alignment.

[Maruchan]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I like being the Hammer Guy.

[Maruchan]

I should point out that even with 2 scum, if not mafia is not a scum, this does not spell a scum win.

scum can only win when no threats to the scum remain (meaning town/any other alignment)

[Maruchan]

No but there is town roles like jailkeeper and roleblocker. They can stop the scum kill, and then it's a stalemate on voting and pretty much is a no-lynch because nobody will agree to lynch the differing alignment and the game ends in a draw.

[Maruchan]

Good point didn't think about that one.

[Maruchan]

You shouldn't have killed me before I even had a chance to post. >.<

That was me. I'm sorry

rob totally called it.

trololololollool

[Maruchan]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5985947

Werewolf Topic, should be un-privated and moved to the completed section soon I'd recon


I just love that rob caught be because of the nightkill. lmfao. Rob knows me too well.

[Maruchan]

yeah I scumslipped hardcore there. about five seconds later i went ohshit and went to look at cards and noticed my slip. Nobody caught it though. M likely would have if he wasn't scum.

[Maruchan]

reading the dead thread was hilarious. Especially tn's reactions to me killing him.


trololololol

[Maruchan]

snscompt, the true lesson is to nottalk until AFTER Maruchan has used all of his day-vig abilities, and they are typically 1-shot. After that, you're typically pretty much safe, and get a chance to explain your fallacies.

[Maruchan]

if it had, i'da been fucked.

[Maruchan]

I wish you'd had gotten the mafia link pregame and mentioned the numbers to me there so I could've come up with a suitable fakeclaim