Micro 381 - 999 Mafia (Nonary Game Complete)

[Not_Mafia]

378:

Can you elaborate on why you only think Bins can be scum with Reck?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question, but I said if Bins is scum, I can only really see Reck as her partner and his claim makes me doubt even that. If Reck is scum, there's maybe 2-3 people I'd be inclined to rule out, would have to look at when the claim came.

I think y'all are cutting Reck way too much slack based on the claim and are gonna be kicking yourselves when we have to kill him tomorrow anyway. But I guess we'll see.

I look at it this way, if Reck is scum he'll be here tomorrow and will have to out his partner to evade a lynch. If he's town we've lynched a claimed friendly neighbour.

It's not so confirmable that I feel comfortable slotting him as a townfirm. The role leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Besides, fake townfirms are a thing (not likely though).

There's not really wiggle room, either he get's lynched tomorrow, or he has to use his scumpartner to 'confirm' himself.

It's not so confirmable that I feel comfortable slotting him as a townfirm. The role leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Besides, fake townfirms are a thing (not likely though).

Scum won't be anti-town? Scum can't flake? I'm honestly not following this argument at all. Seems like you're trying to force a townread on Reck for town points, I don't see what the point of this whole thing is otherwise.

And your Akane case has a couple of good points, but is largely just dragging out everything someone could find slightly objectionable but ultimately non-alignment indicative stuff like her RVS vote switch and her doors thing

I think it's a fair assumption to make for Day 1, at the absolute least. Town!Reck is my read here, not yours. I stated it, I'm not pushing or forcing it. Why would I want to push a weak read? The point is I was asked about it so I gave my reason. That's it, w/r/t Reck.

Well, what do you know. My reasons aren't infallible. Who would have thought. Point out the good/bad points for me.

It was Quilford case that drew attention to him though, and then the rage and insults came, which is apparently characteristic of him. And I don't see what the relevance of you pushing it is, it was the timing of it I hated. But apparently Akane asked you for it.

I'm not criticising it for the sake of it, it looked to me like throwing out anything and everything and seeing what stuck

Spoiler: Akane

4: Her first vote is for Bins. Innocent enough. Her advocating on saving the doors is only bad if it’s proven the scums’ kills are restricted to rooms/groups.

12: Switches her RVS for...some reason. 34 questioned her on this as well.

20: Claims she switched her vote because she liked Bins’ reaction to her RVS. Which. I dunno, feels really fake. Akane didn’t ask anything particularly difficult, there isn’t really much to be nervous about in this context.

Of course this could just be waved away with “oh it was just a random vote who cares?” but hhh.

I don't understand the problem here, she RVS'd someone, thought they looked townish, moved it elsewhere

81: This is the first post that tipped me on a reread, after I’d been posting for a couple pages. She criticizes 34 for unvoting someone who was at L-1 (what?). And then she goes on about how he should have voted for someone else, or laid out some reads -- in fact, nearly half of the second paragraph could apply presently to Bins. I’m still waiting for Akane to catch up and explain her gut townread on her.

105: Dismisses 34’s above posts because AtE. I only find it scummy because she dismissed all three posts that way. She could have at least addressed the parts of the posts that weren’t AtE.

108: Says 34 is gunking up the thread with his emotions. Bins has been gunking the thread with pure void, but it’s totes okay when she does it.

AtE =/= lack of contribution are completely separate things, so I'm not seeing the hypocrisy angle you seem you be implying

142: Not gonna lie, this is my favorite part. Akane asks Bins why she still has her vote parked on NM, and asks for her reads. Bins replies with “no reason” (and doesn’t unvote, even though she just stated her vote is dead and useless) and that she’ll “address her reads tomorrow” (she in fact does the opposite of that, by unvoting AND saying she has nothing right after Quil posted a case against Reckoner).

Akane of course addresses this steaming pile of bullshit in her next pos--oh. Wait. She doesn’t readdress this. Ever. In fact, I think this is actually the last time Akane has ever spoken directly to Bins.

Of course everyone is guilty of letting Bins cruise, except Parama, I guess. It’s just more damning for Akane because she’s the one who asked and didn’t follow up.

204: Asks NM for a read on Bins. Because? Who knows. I'm guessing she's trying to justify her gut townread here, by seeing if anyone else is townreading her.

She asked because I've played with her before and wanted my perspective, she states this later

304: Basically calling Reckoner conf!scum. “1% chance that it’s true”? Please.

She didn't believe the claim and kept with the read, guilty of hyperbole maybe but again not see the big issue

((Also, just kidding -- Akane does talk to Bins in 310, but it’s a mechanics question so it doesn’t really count.))

Akane then engages Reckoner in some bullshit meta/identity argument, clogging up the thread and being a distracting mess.

Why is her being a distracting mess scummy and make Reck townish?

And now we’re mostly back to the present. That was fun.

What I mean is, his readflip comes conveniently follows Reck's claim and not even due to "well he isn't confirmed yet but I don't think scum would claim a confirmable role as if they're lying it will only buy them one more day" or something similar. It's just, oh look I have a towncase on Reck now he's claimed a confirmable role.

PEdit: Indeed

It's almost like I went back through the thread and read the game from a town!Reck perspective. Wow.

And it's not a case, it's a weak read.

Well I'd call any standalone justification of a read a case, but that's semantics, and I'd forgotten/hadn't realised Akane had asked you for the read

It's also because his reads list and Rack case achieved nothing and I don't know why he did them them other than "he felt like it" and

For reactions. For questions. For content.

Which is just the boilerplate generic answer that really means nothing, that's what everything you post should be doing and we just got finished discussing why we shouldn't be making our top town reads so explicit

There seems to be a divide in the members here on whether or not sharing townreads is a good thing. That's your own opinion.

I shared my reads because I felt like it and we're all posting and using our brains and junk. Sulk about it if you really want to.

I could quickhammer Yoncé right now because I feel like it, it doesn't stop it anti-town, you say we have a different opinion but I don't know why you think it's a good thing and it came just after we finished discussing why we weren't making our townreads so explicit

Well, I do it every game. I'd make an exception for the rest of the game, but I wouldn't want to summon the wrath of NM the Knowledgeable.

I prefer NM the Righteous

Whoops. Yeah, the rest of his iso is reading very much like townie that can't handle pressure to me now.

This is a pretty stark turnaround. Why do you think you didn't see what you're seeing now at the time?

Sorry for not posting more, but half of the time I don't know what to post. Most of your posts are directed are directed at specific people, and anything I want to point out is ninja'd. That combined with Real Life makes it hard to post as much as I want to.

It's better you post something and not just oh lol beaten to it, sheeping is a crappy tell anyway

I really don't fucking buy that there's a VT in this setup... I mean, maybe, but this seems like the place where Pie would put a bunch of cool power roles that interact with the room mechanic. Hmm.

That early claim is really bad, and also pretty noobtown though, I don't think newbscum fakeclaims VT that early with no danger of a lynch.

Well the only way you can believe both of these things is if you think he's lying town, so if it's not that which one is it?

And a role madness Micro sounds excessively hard to balance, especcially with the door mechanics. I'm inclined to believe the claim.

Pedit: Okay just saw Yonce's self hammer, has to be scum, self hammering as town when we haven't agreed on doors or self hammering as town at all? No

[Not_Mafia]

Will continue catching up, hopefully inb4 lock, that will be the bulk of it I imagine

[Parama]

NM posts a ton and most all the time I really have nothing to say about it
which bothers me some but ehh

[Not_Mafia]

Are the people pushing a Reck lynch doing that 'pushing a policy lynch as a scum lynch to push it through' thing?

This wasn't rhetorical btw

I haven't played 999 (only Virtue's last reward) is the 8 doors thing because of flavour? I imagine not cos y'know 9 doors. If it's breaking flavour there might be something significant there.

Also, this will probably be shot down, but has anyone thought about an Akane/Reck scumteam? Is it possible that scum has daychat?

That would break flavour so I imagine no, Akane/Rack team is kinda crackpot theory regardless though

Twilight votes aren't counted iirc but

7-vote: xRECKONERx, Quilford, Not_Mafia
8-vote: Parama, Akane Kurashiki, Bins

Not ideal but at least Reck will either have to confirm himself to me or Quilford, who I most doubt is his partner at the least.

Ugh. I'm paranoid about fucking everybody, especially after

Quil's recent posts

. But whatever.

Why?

Yoncé's vote might not be counted? If it isn't consider this

intent to hammer

also, Grib being 34 and that fact that Akane asked him for a Reck read has kinda sunk that ship for me, still a couple of things to address though

[Parama]

The 9 door is the door to escape in 999; very explicitly stated.
(The VLR escape door had a big 9 on it too didn't it? that's why it's still the nonary game)
though tbh you've had 999 basically entirely spoiled for you if you played VLR first so you might as well go read a plot summary

[Akane Kurashiki]

This is a pretty stark turnaround. Why do you think you didn't see what you're seeing now at the time?

I think I got overly excited about what I thought I saw at the time, because it was early in the game and not much was happening. I was excited because I thought I saw something that I could make a case on and really give us that last push out of RVS, and I think I latched onto it too hard as a result.

Going back and rereading after everything else that has happened D1 helped me put it in perspective and realize what I was looking at was not

nearly

as big as I'd been making it out to be, and then I could better understand in that context why 34 would react the way he did.

RE: Reck's claim, if it were really that simple I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with it, but you're forgetting the possible outcome where the person he "confirms" to is NKed, leaving him still unconfirmed and we're just simply worse off than we were before. Or "lol I was roleblocked." Or any number of things really. But it's whatever at this point, the wagon I want most isn't going to happen today and I've made my peace with that.

PS: If you're not done, just move fast. Yonce didn't actually self hammer because he formatted incorrectly (as Parama has pointed out). But if he ever comes back he could realize that and fix it.

(The VLR escape door had a big 9 on it too didn't it? that's why it's still the nonary game)

Yes.

[Not_Mafia]

RE: Reck's claim, if it were really that simple I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with it, but you're forgetting the possible outcome where the person he "confirms" to is NKed, leaving him still unconfirmed and we're just simply worse off than we were before. Or "lol I was roleblocked." Or any number of things really. But it's whatever at this point, the wagon I want most isn't going to happen today and I've made my peace with that.

If he's here tomorrow and there's any bs about his claim and he isn't confirmed to anyone I'll absolutely be lynching him, but I'd rather give him the chance to confirm himself.

[Akane Kurashiki]

Yeah, I know. And on the off-chance he's actually town, it's the right move. But if he's scum and we all hopped off of him because he made an excellent fakeclaim... well I dunno about you, but I'm gonna feel really stupid for letting him get away with it even if it's just for one more Day.

[Akane Kurashiki]

So is that everything? I think we have a door plurality now and if everything is resolved, we should go ahead and hammer this in.

I'll do so in ~3 hours if I haven't heard any objections. Or N_M can do it before then if he thinks it's the right call.

[Parama]

don't feel stupid, it's logically the best thing to do and it doesn't let him escape a lynch very long

[Not_Mafia]

@mod requesting VC

Once I see the doors are definitely locked in I'll drop the hammer

[Not_Mafia]

@mod requesting VC

[Bins]

Well, my computer won't come out of hibernation and apparently I have hard drive issues.

My two strongest reads are extremely confident town reads on Bins and Reckoner. Sorry my slot hasn't been of much help, but being a VT I would rather lynch myself than risk lynching a PR.

vote yoncé

Good luck scum!

.. why would he give last minute reads if he's scum.

man im so paranoid of this

[xRECKONERx]

Here we go btw. This is the part where I get roleblocked because I'm stuck in a room with scum. Ugh whatever.

[xRECKONERx]

Bins REAL SCUM btw

[Bins]

no

[xRECKONERx]

yes

[xRECKONERx]

k good talk

[Not_Mafia]

Use your words

[Bins]

see you tomorrow

oh wait

[Grib]

I am going to lynch all of you.

[Jackel98]

We should put Reck with three other people. Just saying. If one dies, we'd still have two people to confirm him, I think. This is to avoid the problem of scum possibly killing through walls.

[xRECKONERx]

^ That is actually smart.

[Parama]

if one dies it's much harder to PoE things up, also. 3/3/2 is most likely to guarantee no kill occurs, unless scum can kill through doors; which I doubt

[Akane Kurashiki]

yeah, that.

VOTE: Yonce

Door vote is definitely a plurality -- I counted 5.