Micro 393: 2012 Primary Mafia (Game Over)

[goodmorning]

''She's not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of a President. And besides, she has cancer.''

—future House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA), reportedly speaking to a friend in 1980 about why he was divorcing his first wife

Votecount 1.5

Aronis [LYNCH] - SleepyKrew, theaceofspades, phokdapolees, Flubbernugget, Aronis

Whooch [L-3] - TierShift, AxleGreaser

SleepyKrew [L-4] - Whooch

theaceofspades [L-4] - ArcAngel9

Not Voting [0] -

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to lynch. The day

will end in (expired on 2014-09-29 19:00:00)

is over.

[goodmorning]

''And what a bizarre time we're in, when a judge will say to little children that you can't say the pledge of allegiance, but you must learn that homosexuality is normal and you should try it.''

—Michele Bachmann, March 2004

You are

Michele Bachmann,

Mafia Compulsive Flavor Watcher

.
Abilities:

Also-Ran:

You may speak in the game thread (if anyone will listen).

Backroom Deals:

You may speak with your partner in [redacted].

Crazy Eyes:

Each Night you must attempt to see who targeted a candidate.

AMURRIKA:

As a citizen of the United States, you may vote.

Night 1 will end in (expired on 2014-09-23 19:00:00).

[goodmorning]

I can't actually find any Roemer quotes because he's pretty irrelevant politically, but he recently mistook a New Orleans city councilman for a student.

You are

Buddy Roemer,

Vanilla Town

.
Abilities:

Also-Ran:

You may speak in the game thread (if anyone will listen).

Contribution Reducer:

You were going to have more abilities, but you took the moral high ground and refused all that fat cash.

AMURRIKA:

As a citizen of the United States, you may vote.

AxleGreaser,

Vanilla Town

, was killed N1.

[goodmorning]

''It's a theory that's out there. It's got some gaps in it.''

—Rick Perry, in response to a child who asked him if he believed in evolution during a campaign stop in New Hampshire, August 18, 2011

Votecount 2.0

Not Voting [7] - SleepyKrew, ArcAngel9, TierShift, theaceofspades, Whooch, Flubbernugget, phokdapolees

With 7 alive, it takes

4

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2014-10-01 22:00:00).

[phokdapolees]

VOTE: Whooch

[SleepyKrew]

Okay I'm going to look at my notes and reads and stuff later but first

Did anyone block or redirect me? If so, claim it

now

.

[TierShift]

Ooh, this is interesting. SK, are you claiming you were blocked? I was blocked too.

If there's any town role with an ascetic modifier, they should claim it now.

[SleepyKrew]

Okay, so anyone that was against the flavorclaim (sorry) is pretty much guaranteed town. People that sheeped me onto Aronis for the fakeclaim are highly likely town as well, because I don't think scum would bus on a faulty premise like that.

People who were actually opposed to the flavorclaim (meaning they didn't just not comment on it):
Axle
... and no one else bothered commenting except Aronis? Dammit.

People that sheeped my logic for voting Aronis:
taos

Aronis flavorclaim pls.

What did you hope to accomplish with this?

Flub's reaction makes a lot of sense from someone going "wtf why is my partner being voted for fakeclaim slipping when we don't have fakeclaims??"
Also Flub's false dichotomy about me/Aronis makes no sense at all. I didn't notice that yesterday because I was too busy being cheeky (<_<) but I think someone else pointed that out so thank you.

Axle I'm phone posting, not trying to ignore you.

But Aronis's response to the slip accusation is to just throw a fit, so VOTE: Aronis

Yeah, this vote was definitely to appease Axle.

phok, why did you vote Aronis?

Whooch is still bothering me for doing absolutely nothing yesterday except the scummy as fuck vote on me. This includes them ignoring Axle's attempt to interact with them.

But
VOTE: Flub

[TierShift]

Okay, so anyone that was against the flavorclaim (sorry) is pretty much guaranteed town.

Nope, why?

People that sheeped me onto Aronis for the fakeclaim are highly likely town as well, because I don't think scum would bus on a faulty premise like that.

Nope again. I think scum could very well be in phok or taos and you think it might be flub, so you're more or less invalidating your own reasoning.

What did you hope to accomplish with this?

I wanted to see if he was indeed claiming to be either palin or bachmann. And to let him claim when I wanted to, not when he wanted to.

I don't think flub is scum, more later.

If anyone is ascetic/roleblocked me or SK, please claim it in your next post.

I have an idea who is scum, but I want the bolded to happen first.

[TierShift]

Nvm I just did an ISO of flub and he might actually be scum...

The extreme focus on aronis/sk is off.

[SleepyKrew]

Going to class now so I'll respond properly later, but I'm gonna call you dumb in this post so I don't have to do it then.
U dumb

[TierShift]

I don't think I like playing with you, SK. You're pushing faulty ideas bullheadedly. You're just lucky to have caught scum with it.

But there are more players in this game, probably!

[Flubbernugget]

I still have no idea why I'm being accused of stating a false dichotomy. Yes, Aronis and SK could both have been scum. They also both could also both have been town. But I had no evidence to promote either of those scenarios. If anything I should be accused of making associative tells before a flip, or sheeping SK's slip accusation. Seriously, sheeping Axle's false dichotomy accusation is scummy as hell, because nobody made a case for SK+Aronis scum or SK+Aronis town. But the quicklynch makes that tough to get any reads from. Meh.

When SK clarified his reads on Aronis I backed off of the accusation of him being scum. When Aronis decided to respond to SK's accusation by completely losing his shit I voted for him. Am I correct then in saying the primary scum read on me then is based on my reaction of the wagon forming on Aronis?

As for appeasing Axle, by the time I would have had an opportunity to not phone post the thread was already locked.

[TierShift]

Why is there only self-defence and not reads?

[SleepyKrew]

Okay, so anyone that was against the flavorclaim (sorry) is pretty much guaranteed town.

Nope, why?

Look at Aronis's flip. Ask gm for clarification if you need it.

People that sheeped me onto Aronis for the fakeclaim are highly likely town as well, because I don't think scum would bus on a faulty premise like that.

Nope again. I think scum could very well be in phok or taos and you think it might be flub, so you're more or less invalidating your own reasoning.

First off, I just said taos, not phok. Second, Flub didn't sheep me.

I wanted to see if he was indeed claiming to be either palin or bachmann.

And what were you going to do with the claim?

I don't think I like playing with you, SK. You're pushing faulty ideas bullheadedly. You're just lucky to have caught scum with it.

Did you miss the part where I called my reasoning for Aronis faulty? I'm not tooting my own horn; I'm well aware that I got lucky.
As for "bullheadedly", lolwut? I'm not being stubborn. Present me with a good alternative.
Also, since I'm back to relying on reads instead of slips ("slips"), a lot of my confidence is going to be faked ^_^

[SleepyKrew]

Why is there only self-defence and not reads?

What are

your

reads?

I still have no idea why I'm being accused of stating a false dichotomy. Yes, Aronis and SK could both have been scum. They also both could also both have been town. But I had no evidence to promote either of those scenarios.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I really hope I don't need to explain to anyone how fucking bad that is.

When Aronis decided to respond to SK's accusation by completely losing his shit I voted for him.

Aronis behaved the way he'd been behaving for a while before Axle talked to you.

Am I correct then in saying the primary scum read on me then is based on my reaction of the wagon forming on Aronis?

It's based on your vote (which I pointed out yesterday) and your false dichotomy (which Axle pointed out yesterday).

As for appeasing Axle, by the time I would have had an opportunity to not phone post the thread was already locked.

That has to do with my accusation of appeasement... how?

[TierShift]

Oh, I missed the flavor watcher part. Yeah, uh, ok. Doesn't really matter now, seeing no one cared about it.
Phok didn't just sheep you? I think he did.

I was hoping to see aronis either convincingly claim something else, reluctantly claim something else or just claim to be bachmann. All of those could affect my read on him.

I don't see why scum wouldn't sheep a dumb attack on their buddy temporarily just to create some skrt of distance. With unvoting later in mind, though, but not having been able to do that in this case.

P-edit: I'm waiting for people to claim a roleblock or ascetic before outing my reads. I'm assuming your Night Action was blocked as well as mine and that both you a d flub are claiming not to be ascetic/having RB'd me. Please confirm, SK.

[phokdapolees]

phok, why did you vote Aronis?

Partially because of the "slip", partially because of the bullshit he used to defend himself after

[SleepyKrew]

Phok didn't just sheep you? I think he did.

He didn't state why he voted when he did. I'm not going to give him credit for sheeping now even if he says he did, because it's after the fact and easy to lie about.

I was hoping to see aronis either convincingly claim something else, reluctantly claim something else or just claim to be bachmann. All of those could affect my read on him.

So what did the Bachmann claim do for you? Feel free to quote something if you already said it.

I don't see why scum wouldn't sheep a dumb attack on their buddy temporarily just to create some skrt of distance. With unvoting later in mind, though, but not having been able to do that in this case.

Do you think this happened, or are you just presenting it as a possibility?

P-edit: I'm waiting for people to claim a roleblock or ascetic before outing my reads. I'm assuming your Night Action was blocked as well as mine and that both you a d flub are claiming not to be ascetic/having RB'd me. Please confirm, SK.

I was blocked or redirected or something, hence my first post today.

phok, why did you vote Aronis?

Partially because of the "slip", partially because of the bullshit he used to defend himself after

If you agreed with me that it was a slip, why wasn't that enough to warrant a vote on its own? Elaborate on how the bullshit he used to defend himself was scummy?

[SleepyKrew]

Also phok why are you voting Whooch instead of Flub?

[TierShift]

I was hoping to see aronis either convincingly claim something else, reluctantly claim something else or just claim to be bachmann. All of those could affect my read on him.

So what did the Bachmann claim do for you? Feel free to quote something if you already said it.

The bachmann claim was the nullest of the options prevented. It didn't help my read, if anything, it showed that he wasn't afraid of fighting your theory. But it didn't really matter. My read on him was formed from other posts he made.

I don't see why scum wouldn't sheep a dumb attack on their buddy temporarily just to create some skrt of distance. With unvoting later in mind, though, but not having been able to do that in this case.

Do you think this happened, or are you just presenting it as a possibility?

I'm presenting it as a possibility. You seem to be auto-disregarding this possibility, for reasons I do not know and I'm reminding you not to hand out townreads based on stuff that isn't necessarily worth a townread.

P-edit: I'm waiting for people to claim a roleblock or ascetic before outing my reads. I'm assuming your Night Action was blocked as well as mine and that both you a d flub are claiming not to be ascetic/having RB'd me. Please confirm, SK.

I was blocked or redirected or something, hence my first post today.

Thanks. I'm gonna change my request in order to speed this up.

Can everyone confirm if they are ascetic or not and if they targeted me or SK with a redirect/roleblock tonight?

[SleepyKrew]

I'm presenting it as a possibility. You seem to be auto-disregarding this possibility, for reasons I do not know and I'm reminding you not to hand out townreads based on stuff that isn't necessarily worth a townread.

I think it's unlikely that scum would bus by sheeping something they knew to be incorrect. I don't think it's impossible. But really unlikely. I'm struggling to put into words why I think this. Remind me later and I'll try again.
However, even if you were to disregard my belief that scum (probably) wouldn't have sheeped me there, it would still take a mountain range of convincing to get me to vote taos (or even phok).

[phokdapolees]

phok, why did you vote Aronis?

Partially because of the "slip", partially because of the bullshit he used to defend himself after

If you agreed with me that it was a slip, why wasn't that enough to warrant a vote on its own? Elaborate on how the bullshit he used to defend himself was scummy?

My first post after you made your case on Aronis with the scumslip was my vote on him. As for his scummy posts:

Spoiler: Quotes n' stuff

You're certainty is alarming. I wouldnt be surprised if you were scum, considering your accusations.

wifom

aronis has the republican party pretty well understood. Although most of you would try to kill me if i said who my favorite is.

BUT! at the same time i like the vote on him. The one on whooch is good, but i like this one better. Plus, sarah palin is just tina fey in disguise, who doesn't recognize tina fey? To me his familiarity with said candidates doesn't follow with mixing them up. Also, @Mod, Christie is a moron, plain and simple.

(also i'm really glad SK understood what i was referring to, as it was part of his past. Sadly, nobody laughed)

VOTE: Aronis

Whom might that be?

I have no fucking clue who Tina Fey is.

Is there any reason

at all

for a fake flavor claim? How is that in any way a useful gambit?

Meh. Fuck that. Let's just abuse lynch all liars to the letter instead of its intention.

That's the true Republican way!!

Can we start with Obama?

Fluff

Besides, what makes you think scum have fake claims? Are two of the politicians really that evil?

Elaborate

You're certainty is alarming. I wouldnt be surprised if you were scum, considering your accusations.

I meant elaborate on the second question.
And of course I'm certain. It's a fucking scumslip. Yet I'm still engaging in discourse with you because ???

Tbh, I dont understand the scumslip. What does me mixing two ppl up have to do with alignment?

Avoids your question and says he doesn't understand the scumslip despite it being explained

It only makes sense to mix them up if they're both in your role PM, meaning one is a fakeclaim, meaning you're scum. Now once again, I'm going to ask you to elaborate on "Are two of the politicians really that evil?"

How do you know Sarah Palin or bachmann is scum?

Oh wait, your buddy is Palin! Sorry about that NvM.

More wifom

It only makes sense to mix them up if they're both in your role PM, meaning one is a fakeclaim, meaning you're scum. Now once again, I'm going to ask you to elaborate on "Are two of the politicians really that evil?"

How do you know Sarah Palin or bachmann is scum?

Oh wait, your buddy is Palin! Sorry about that NvM.

So you're gonna stop trying to justify the mix up? Sweet.
Palin cannot be a town role because she didn't run. Republicans that didn't run make sense as scum.

Words cannot do your stupidity justice.

ad hom

[phokdapolees]

Also phok why are you voting Whooch instead of Flub?

Because I think Whooch is scum

[Whooch]

I think scum has a role akin to Universal Roleblocker or something along those lines.

/cho