Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[Curiosity]

Sorry but Kagami does not live past today. I'd feel very bad if I allowed her to live and she turned up scum after this ad hom.

~Wis

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Anti I'll consider your scenario if kagami flips town. Till then stop assuming she is town because she isn't.

~Wis

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mollie I don't think Nacho has been avoiding you. He's just not in the game yet. But Sakura is town, really.

~Wis

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To be fair, Sakura, mollie can read Nacho much better than she can read you. So you can't blame her.

~Wis

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She can have this effect on people.

~Wis

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Why you +1 someone who uses personal attacks and tries to diminish my credibility is beyond my understanding

~Wis

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Sure.

Can't wait for Saki to quickhammer.

~Wis

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I expected Saki to do that, but haj works too

~Wis

[Curiosity]

{Dan, Jingle, Ankamius, +2}. maybe jakuzure now that I think about it

tis as far as I've got

npiau, probably Om

~Wis

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Agreed that AD probably town

~Wis

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If kagami does flip town, anti's scenario regarding scum half-ass bussing Jingle needs serious consideration.

~Wis

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Eh, scum troll. I don't believe until I see the flip.

~Wis

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I confirm this. I prefer her lynched than having her attacking me with personal attacks.

~Wis

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I never called myself an awesome scumhunter. You called me a poor one and said that I'd never catch scum-you. You started it and your play was terrible and didn't make the slightest sense for town. Contrary to your beliefs, I do reconsider my reads. When people give me reason to. You didn't. So please die so we have one less distraction to deal with, thank you.

Lol at how I'm the mean person here. Sure, guys.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

{Ankamius, npiau, Om, Jingle, Time} should be the main priorities tomorrow.

~Wis

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... your play was terrible and didn't make the slightest sense for town ...
~Wis

This is your problem. What you call "sense for town" is not sense, but rather conformity to a set of wisdom-sanctioned behaviors.

And yes, if I were scum, you'd think I'm town.

You have no clue how I think. Stop pretending you do. When you beat me as scum, then you can talk. This belief of yours that you are inside my mind and can read it is what causes these attacks.

~Wis

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Kagami, eleven people thought you are scum (ten discounting the doublevote). Are you seriously arguing that you did absolutely nothing scummy and all those people suck at mafia?

~Wis

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Mollie is obvtown and so am I. And Om gets scummier by the moment.

~Wis

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Reevaluate your play, Kagami. Thanks.

~Wis

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Om all of this sounds like bad AtE. But by all means continue digging your grave.

~Wis

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Time is town because he's playing his role in a way consistent with how town would.

This makes zero sense. What role? We don't know his role.

Your Jingle one doesn't make any sense either.

~Wis

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hahahahah
wisdom i really dislike the way you play
please adjust yourself because i am clearly not the only one

check urself b4 u wreck urself yo

Oh I'm so scared now

~Wis

[Curiosity]

since you and purple hero agree

im putting jingle as town

wat
Anti had jingle as scum, pretty sure

~Wis

[Curiosity]

pieguy
pieguy
mollie/monoke/wisdom

All of those are wrong

~Wis

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wisdom if kagami indeed flips town im ignoring your reads from now on js

dead serious

And I should care because?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I corrected my tunnel on mollie and I would have corrected my tunnel on kagami had she played properly. I do tunnel, but I've learned.to reconsider my reads a lot. Kagami gave up and resorted to attacking me instead of playing. You might not realize.it right now because of my attitude, but I'm not in the wrong here.

~Wis

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That's no excuse.

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Kagami is a strong player. That's why I was fine with pressuring her, because we would be sure to get telling reactions. But alas.

~Wis

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I'd very much prefer npiau or Ankamius or Om rather than Jingle.

~Wis

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am I the only 1 who loved attack on titan?

Nope

~Wis

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@pie on the other hand, npiau is pretty scummy as town. We should keep that in mind too.

~Wis

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I don't think so

why haj?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

and it just so happens notscience is a strong pr who couldnt speak before night

What do you mean? It's not like haj hammered ns, that's irrelevant

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I mean it's irrelevant to why you're voting haj

~Wis

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hey gaiden, youve done pretty much nothing in this game, care to change that?

~Wis

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I'll go with alchemist

VOTE: alchemist

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Jakuzure is most likely town, haj. Please stop tunneling them.

~Wis

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Haj wagon sucks

Vote alchemist people

~Wis

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Yeah I don't care about that. They're most likely town and I'll stop you from tunneling them if I can help it.

~Wis

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Nope. It's alchemist, npiau, Jingle and a lurker.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Time/Fei hydra are two scum.

Neither is

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Time, I reread all my suspects overnight and concluded that Ankamius and Om are town, while npiau is still scum. I also reread Alchemist and found that the reason I had written him off as town early wasn't very good, so I realised I didn't like anything at all in his ISO. I was undecided on Jingle but his Wis buddy buddy post returns him to the scumpile. Scum left me alive to push more townies, after all.

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haj is town. Scum are going to push him for his hammer. Don't fall in that trap.

~Wis

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pretty sure thats not allowed, haj. better remove it while you still can.

~Wis

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haj please forget about Jakuzure and look at npiau and Alchemist, thanks

~Wis

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Hmm wisdom what do you think of purple heros reads atm. You two seem to have a dialouge yet youre both somewhat out of sync

He has my two suspects as scum too, so we're good
I disagree with the rest

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't, though I like your posts today so far. During the night I had you as lurker and therefore possible scum.

~Wis

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Get the fuck off pieguy. He's still town.

MS talk to me about what a "pseudo guilty" is, because I'm very close to lynching you.

~Wis

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Duh.

~Wis

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Jingle playing "good guy" is also scum though.

~Wis

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I read it that way too at first, mollie. That's not what he was saying. But he's still scum anyway.

I think Om is town @ whoever asked me.

@Sakura haj is antitown and annoying but I'm not sure about him being scum. Given the votes on him I feel he's more likely the next lynchbait.

MS is either scum or mistaken due to roles intervening like redirectors or something. Pie is town.

[Curiosity]

~Wis

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Explain what "pseudo guilty" is or I'm voteparking you until you die.

~Wis

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VOTE: dreams

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I don't have to explain shit to you. Go rolefish someone else.

~Wis

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Sure we are. You're lying about a guilty so you're going to die.

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Then you got redirected or something. Pie is town. Not scum, not 3rd party.

[Curiosity]

And I hate your rolefishing but I'm trying my best not to massively rage at you

[Curiosity]

VOTE: alchemist

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None of your business, ffs

Why the fuck do you speculate about mason pairs all the time? Do you not fucking understand such info only help scum?

[Curiosity]

This lynch is not happening.

[Curiosity]

If you think I have information he is town you should stop pushing this lynch, don't you think?

[Curiosity]

Ok. I do have information he is town. I won't share what that is. Now get off his wagon.

Sakura, as much as he annoys me I don't think he's scum.

[Curiosity]

There are no words, MS. You thought he's a mason yesterday, your "guilty" makes sense with him being a mason, yet you fucking make him claim. No fucking words.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Anyway enough with this bullshit. Let's lynch alchemist/npiau/Jingle. All are scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Hey, so Wis. You feel like elaborating on that Om townread yet?

I reread him during the night and found he's town. I particularly liked how he asked me to wagon someone with him. Scum wanted me to keep tunneling Kagami so he wouldn't take that risk.

~Wis

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Because they know the "guilty" to be incorrect and therefore know the wagon will die when pie claims. Therefore towncred.

~Wis

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Mason knowledge benefits scum. Just because you want to know the masons it doesn't mean they have to claim.

~Wis

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Will you fucking stop assigning roles to people?

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Scum don't fucking need to know who is what. Keep such thoughts to yourself. I don't fucking care if you want to know if someone is mason or cop or doctor. Don't fucking make that thought public. Scum don't need to know.

[Curiosity]

No shit. I know what your role is yet you don't see me talking about it

[Curiosity]

And no AD is a terrible lynch. Leave him alone.

[Curiosity]

I swear you're acting like a noob who has come from epicmafia or something. All you care about is roles.

[Curiosity]

Metal has some sort of award. I am willing to pretend it means something and if he is wrong we can just power lynch him tomorrow.

Don't like this on a reread. Could see beast-scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

We're not lynching Dan or beeboy. Especially the latter.

Also stop fucking claiming

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Which you shouldnt have claimed. As much obvious as it was.

~Wis

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When did he have that idea? Was it at the beginning of the game?

~Wis

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It's not really a town thing. A neighbor should be trying to figure out your alignment, not act buddy buddy with you. Believe me, I've been neighbor a couple times.

~Wis

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And the fact it didn't happen at the very beginning makes it worse. He could have seen that you were getting townreads so he could have proposed this in order to coast using the townreads you were getting. Which to some degree worked; I called for people to leave him alone solely because I saw the connection between you two.

~Wis

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VOTE: AD

im sold

~Wis

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mollie youre not making any sense.

Like

like did it ever cross your mind that metal is on a scumteam with a mafia rolecop and they viewed you n1 cos you looked pretty scummy and if you were not on their team then you *might* be a special and therefore worth considering?

If MS rolecopped pie and found he's mason why make him claim it inthread? It was already pretty obvious who his partner is too.

~Wis

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I hate any kind of claims. Scum already are more informed, they don't need to get even more informed.

~Wis

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No. 21 players = like 17 townies. 5 people claiming is not "most townies". Even if you count the dead, 7 is still not "most townies".

~Wis

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And Dan is probably not town, so let's not count him either

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Dan, what first made you think beeboy is town? Surely if you proposed to softclaim masons you were pretty convinced he's town already.

~Wis

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It's not like the other scum have been online since the wagon/claim happened

Except maybe Alchemist but he's ignoring everything anyway

~Wis

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Typical excuses scum neighbors give. Thanks, more confident now.

~Wis

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beeboy a neighbor should be paranoid of you all the time, not buddy you like that. I'm sure you can understand why a scum neighbor would want to buddy you and make you think he is town.

~Wis

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prolly not

~Wis

[Curiosity]

There is no guilty on pieguy. Reread the day.

~Wis

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om did you just vote someone you called a mason?

~Wis

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right....

~Wis

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youve modded masons and mafia a thousand times yet you dont remember that.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

reasoning yo.

Why the vote for AD? (who isnt a mason btw)
Why the vote for Alch?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yeah and your gut just makes you vote the people being wagoned

~Wis

[Curiosity]

what convenient gut that must be

~Wis

[Curiosity]

then phrase it the proper way. "im lazy as hell, i saw these wagons, my gut liked them, i hopped on". Help me see in your mind. Hopping on a wagon without a word then saying "gut" doesn't do that.

@beeboy
pie flavor claimed already

~Wis

[Curiosity]

VOTE: alchemist

~Wis

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Fine Sakura, fine. I thought about it and don't want to lynch him just for that.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And yeah, judging by the qt AD linked, he's the type to do what he did.

~Wis

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Soooo back to Alchemist people.

~Wis

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@Curiosity:

Give me the reason you were townreading me yesterday.

Give me the reason you are scumreading me today.

I thought you came off as town in the exchange with beast where you made that mistake.

When I reread you during night I realized that the mistake could have been genuine with you still being scum.

I didn't like anything else in your ISO. You don't take stances, you fluff a lot, and your pushes feel weak and don't have any spirit behind them.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

why are you still voting pie?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Fine, let's do that first

VOTE: jingle

[Curiosity]

~Wis

[Curiosity]

500 posts full of content, where's yours?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And "keeping an open mind" does not justify not taking stances.

~Wis

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Not agreeing with the Om wagon.

Also Ank is town.

Jingle still scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

..okay? I wasn't talking to you specifically

~Wis

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Alch is not town, Om is

~Wis

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Technically never, but pie claimed for us

~Wis

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/sigh

this is going to be one of my shitty games isn't it?

Judging from who you're wagoning, yes

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Apparently I got mixed up; Jingle-scum means Alchemist is more likely scum, not town. It makes sense for scum to forgo a scumread on a partner on day 1 easily and resist having to go back on later.

A++

{Jingle, alchemist, npiau, ?}

~Wis

[Curiosity]

With "?" being prolly Gaiden or Saki

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Saki being self-aware and saying that he doesn't want to look scummy as town are two things that greatly annoy me, but other than that I don't see anything not null in his posts. It's mostly just an appeal to Sakura, be it town or scum motivated.

~Wis

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Om is still town
Jingle and Alchemist are still scum (look at last Alch post)
Still don't like anything Saki posts
This game is now 90% fluff

~Wis

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indeed it's bad that people ignore scum and wagon Om, but what can you do

~Wis

[Curiosity]

That would be equally bad, as he's also town

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Seriously look at Alchemist. His whole D2 has been voting between Om, haj and AD to see what sticks.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

stahp guys. take that to site chat or something

~Wis

[Curiosity]

nah. There are scum on it. Jingle with a logical looking case to ensure I won't stop tunneling and Alchemist who jumps on wagons with every given excuse.

~Wis

pedit: Fucking no

[Curiosity]

I am not letting you lynch town, nope

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Also I was never bad yesterday. Kagami was scummy and deserved to die.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

aaand another bad vote

try again

~Wis

[Curiosity]

except, like kagami, haj is town.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Either Jingle or Alch is fine

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Town: {pieguy, Mononoke, mollie, purple, Dreams, beeboy}
Nulltown: {ActionDan, haj, Jakuzure, Om, Ankamius, Time}
Null: {Gaiden, Saki}
Nullscum: {beastcharizard}
Scum: {Jingle, Alchemist, npiau}

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't mind either Sakura

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Alchemist has been shooting up and down each time I reread the thread. And I just read his ISO and he's down below mollie again. fuckit.

Talk to me about this.
What in his ISO makes you doubt your read on him? What do you find townish and what scummish?

~Wis

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now do alchemist

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Bonus points: Nonon was on both the Kagami and Om wagons. This is starting to stack up, no?

So was Alchemist, so was Jingle. Vote them.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yea, it's a guilty.

?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yes? What are you talking about? What guilty?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't believe you

~Wis

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You're stupidly tunneling on them all game, you're totally the kind of player to lie about a guilty because you're not getting your way

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I still prefer lynching Jingle/Alch than trusting haj to a guilty

~Wis

[Curiosity]

no, and it comes off as you just wanting more claims

~Wis

[Curiosity]

this is so fake. real town would get frustrated they are not being listened to when they've got a confscum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Not at all

~Wis

[Curiosity]

But I already see how this will go. We'll lynch jakuzure, they'll flip town, then we will PL haj, and he will also flip town. And then the scum will party on our corpses.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Doubt it

~Wis

[Curiosity]

1. if haj = Wake, he's actually claimed at several points he has "forsaken gambits". ignoring a guilty just bc it might be fake and it might be him pushing it is the most dumb fuck thing I've ever heard of, even despite his history

I don't care if he's Wake and I don't even know where that suspicion comes from. I care that his playstyle and character make complete sense with an idiotic townie who would fake a guilty.

~Wis

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If he's softing a guilty on me, he's lying. He's been mindlessly desiring my lynch and being a village idiot most of the entire game.

also I haven't voted.

p-edit: that's not what you think it is. He's just pulling the same scummy bs since Day 1 and I'm pretty damn close to voting him just to get rid of him.

^this is a really bad reaction to being soft guiltied btw

No it isn't. I completely agree with Fei there.

~Wis

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VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

This guilty on them better not be faked.

look at this scum

already preparing to push haj once Jakuzure flips town

~Wis

[Curiosity]

At this rate we might as well mass claim today

What a joke

Guess whose fault that is

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Okay. Haj, claim what type of investigative you are and what result exactly you got.

and the quest for claims goes on

~Wis

[Curiosity]

on board with Omscum

Why?

Dreams feels more like town than scum, I think difference between who is posting is obvious, though and am kinda getting town vibes from individual heads. Caps aside, they have a difference in grammar. I think forcing wis/pie to out as masons was dumb, but w/e.

Only MS is posting, Nati only posted a couple of posts in D1

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And why is that a surprise? I'm rarely not the top poster in any game

Also, I think Om is town because he tried to get me to vote someone while I was tunneling Kagami. I don't think scum would do that.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah no. This is your fault for making us claim when you already knew we were masons and this was explaining your result. And of course scum are capitalizing on it and get all claims they can (See Jingle).

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah yeah, you wish.

Nice pointless classic scum question. As if you can't tell my reads from my posts.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

If I answered with how I feel about these posts, it would probably not be pretty. I'll just blacklist you after this game and we can both be happy.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah. And after this it will be "it's shit play not to PL haj for lying guys".

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I agree there shouldn't be fake guilties and that they're wrong. That doesn't change the fact we're about to lynch two townies in a row.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And who cares where the investigative role is? It's perfect we have no clue who it is because scum don't know either. That's how PRs play, not how people like MS want them to play

~Wis

[Curiosity]

ofc you like him more. He agrees with handing you the win.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

the idea that there is any tolerance at all for faking guilties, which you are providing by arguing against policy lynching him if he's lying about it, encourages this behavior

Yeah because if we PL haj, he will stop doing it. It's not like he's playing on an alt exactly because he wants to be able to do stuff like this without caring

~Wis

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Sarcasm, mollie.

~Wis

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Jakuzure is probtown to me because of caled's posts.
Haj is probtown because I don't see his behavior coming from scum.

I don't see an instant solution to our situation. However blindly lynching two people who are probably town is not it.

Maybe a haj claim. But I still dislike it because we've given tons of claims to scum already and I hate it.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Don't agree with anything you're townreading alchemist for

mollie is town

~Wis

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I'd prefer lynching scum, Time. And no, mass claim sucks.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Sakura -- give me a run down on why Saki-town?
I'm really leaning scum on him.

~M

[Curiosity]

Also I might be liking one of Alch / Time for scum.

~M

Preedit:

I don't like you either die.
Preedit2: (Not to Sukura)
Preedit: 3 Hi scum! and No.

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Sakura -- give me a run down on why Saki-town?
I'm really leaning scum on him.

~M

Because of the way he wanted my opinion on how my read on him would change, other than that he's pretty much null because he's doing this flaking twice that i remember X_X

P-Edit: I thought sanities were only on bastards?
P-Edit x2: Yeah that.

Unless he's trying to change his playstyle I'm actually leaning scum. If you check the scum PT in PvZ. I made a comment about his QH'ing there to see if I could potentially get him out of danger. To pressure as scum he's reacted to actually reading the thread and responding to things whereas in a town PM he kinda just brushes off pressure and lurks and does jack crap

~M

[Curiosity]

I did answer you. I said no.

~M

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Dw, I'm off tomorrow, so we can prob sync then
~M

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As long as that dayvig doesn't end the day, it's probably the best solution yet

~Wis

[Curiosity]

the reason everyone thinks you're faking this is because there was a player who has a reputation of being an idiot

Once again, I don't think/care he's Wake. See his playstyle and personality this game, ignoring any Wake influence, and tell me it doesn't make sense for him to fake a guilty.

~Wis

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yeah so that didnt work

now can we ignore haj and lynch scum?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

then claim

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yeah id rather nobody ever claims, but this is different. I'm not going to listen to a thing you say until you give me exact proof.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mala is conftown unfortunately for you

meanwhile you keep stacking up scum points

~Wis

[Curiosity]

then we are one-hundred percent never lynching Jakuzure

~Wis

[Curiosity]

well, yeah. That's why everyone should be ignoring you.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

good luck with that.

People, can we return to lynching Alchemist and Jingle pretty please?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

^this

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC:

Jakuzure Nonon (5): haj, ActionDan, Alchemist21, Saki, Mononoke
Jingle (3): Ankamius, Curiosity, nopointinactingup
Alchemist21 (1): purple hero
pieguy (1): beeboy
ActionDan (1): Dreams of an Absolution
haj (1): Om of the Nom

Not Voting: SXTLHGaiden, Time, beastcharizard, pirate mollie, Jingle, Jakuzure Nonon, pieguyn


~Wis

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new theory: alchemist and jingle are scum

oh wait, thats not new

~Wis

[Curiosity]

so... regardless of if the guilty is faked or not

feireicaled might actually be scum

probably not

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Can we lynch haj now? Anyone who believes his guilty is an idiot. Lynching him will make a much more peaceful and better environment.

inb4 lyncher

~Wis

[Curiosity]

over the course of this game day, they have flip flopped between haj VI, haj newb-scum, and haj lol town role who got a fake guilty on them.

which is indicative of town who cant decide if the person fakeclaiming a guilty on them is scum or just an idiot.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

stop fucking voting jakuzure

~Wis

[Curiosity]

well at least im not to blame for this mislynch

or the following one on haj

~Wis

[Curiosity]

"omg im going to get lynched, better softclaim fruit vendor"

so much scum motivation

~Wis

[Curiosity]

You are mistaking parts of Feirei's playstyle as scumtells and you're fucking wrong. Stahp.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Nope. Scum would stick to one reason. They wouldn't change their story every post. It's the natural flow of Feirei's thoughts.

Stop tunneling, dude.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

fake guilty*

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yay the d2 mislynch is at L-1

~Wis

oh wait one scum unvoted

[Curiosity]

yeah because you know, scum always have to be on every mislynch wagon, it's uncanny if they arent

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Last pages:

Alchemist looks townier now. Fully agree with Saki that this thought process comes more likely from town.
Saki looks townier.
Jingle looks 100 times more scummy and I want to lynch him right this moment. I hate how he's trying to make Alchemist look scummy for bullshit reasons, I hate how he has his vote on the mislynch wagon while doing the former, I hate everything.

~Wis

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Also beast is scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And haj, seeing Fei claim to have visited Gaiden and Gaiden confirming this, didn't retract his guilty in this scenario because?

Because he's not going to ever retract it. If he was the kind of player to retract it, he would have never made it in the first place.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Cute.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Why would he care? He's an alt.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Dat pr directing

pls guys. Jingle is scum, there's zero doubt

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollie wtf is this bullshit. Why can't scum take a stance and be consistent with it?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

jingle is townreading him for humanistic purposes. if feirei flips town then jingle will have to backtrack on value he has given humanity

Nope. Jingle has stated already that he wants to PL haj if that happens. You missed it but I didn't.

pie already explained why ns was killed. It has nothing to do with beeboy, who btw is town.

If it does have to do with someone, it's prolly beast.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Who, btw, is also lurking. If you suspect beeboy, just look at beast.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And really, what is "weird" about Jingle's stance? His stance is "I believe the guilty, and if it's fake, I PL haj" which is just about the standard and convenient way for scum to go about it.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I'll save my told you so after we blindly mislynch haj after this

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Except that for kagami it was just a lucky guess on your part, whereas things are obvious here.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't know why I'm even arguing with you. You agree with me about the fake guilty yet you're voting jakuzure. Go figure.

~Wis