Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[acryon]

I don't think it's that ridiculous to request more reasoning for your vote on Wisdom outside of:

Anyway

VOTE: Wisdom

1287 is absolute balls and I'm not explaining why

If you are voting someone, then stand by it. Don't act like you have no reason to explain yourself. And you don't even have to explain why 1287 was bad, but at least give a better reason than that. One post does not a scum make.

[Mathdino]

I have. You're doing the same thing Constantine did earlier. I'm not going to see something new just because you tell me to reread something.

Wisdom has been pushing Malakittens and Not_Mafia. Go ooonnnn...

[Wisdom]

I think I get what he means now. Don't see how it makes me scum though.

[borkjerfkin]

At the dentist, so ill respond when back, but math that's not entirely what I asked you.

[borkjerfkin]

maybe a better question: if wisdom is acutely aware of what he said in 1287, what should he be seriously worried about that he isn't?

[Mathdino]

Read the fucking interactions between the people wisdom has been pushing today.

Okay, so Malakittens and Not_Mafia.

I'll also explain Mala more, I'm thinking Mala and not-mafia as the scum team now.

Don't think so. They voted me together, they defend each other.. it would be ridiculous if a scumteam was so obvious.

He pushed Mala, then pushed NM for fishiness after indicating he might be rethinking Mala, and then said that it's unlikely they're a team together. Should he be worried that they actually ARE a team? That people will go after him for pre-flip associations?

If I start talking about wisdom there's really no going back.

Wisdom wouldn't be wrong in claiming that he's pretty much the centre of a huge portion of this game, including the NKs, the VCs, wagon analysis, arguments, etc. Us all talking about Wisdom for a while would be healthy, IMO.

Edit: Oh shit.

[Mathdino]

unHoS: borkjerfkin
HoS: Wisdom

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah.

Anyway sorry it had to be like this but I can't abide any more distractions like what wgeurts is doing

[Mathdino]

Holy shit, Wisdom is totally scum. Did a bunch of ISOs, it really does fit.
Probably the only person I'll concede the "Get Constantine the hell out of this game" thing on.

Edit: Doesn't matter. Even if this discussion ends up turning this into mountainous, scum is COMPLETELY screwed by this point.

[acryon]

I still can't shake the feeling that Wisdom is just town playing badly, but it would be stupid to just go off of feelings, and I agree that a discussion of him would be really good for at least clearing the air either way. Doing another read-through and I'll present what I find on him.

[Mathdino]

I know what town Wisdom looks like, and he usually doesn't do that

Yeah, also look through what borkjerfkin told me to.

BMWS, that question I asked you earlier is now doubly important.

[Mathdino]

@Everyone

: Who would you want to lynch if not wgeurts or Wisdom? What are your thoughts on SilverWolf? (free pass on sheeping the above case; I think I kinda exhausted everything that can be said about her)

I can see Silverwolf as scum if Wgeurtes flips scum. But I'd rather lynch Wguertes first.

Red flag again; "I can see [scumbuddy] as scum if [townperson] is scum."

301 - Furthermore if Wisdom is town, I'm can see Silverwolf being scum after reading this.

Ooh, didn't catch this at first. Might have to rethink my read on Wisdom. However, I think it's notable that Victor rarely includes both his scumbuddies in the same sentence. I don't quite know what to make of this yet.

302 - Sure newbscum would do this. Particular since the scum don't have daychat so Wgeuertes has not had any opportunity to talk with his scumbuddies yet.

Yeeeeep wgeurts is town.

310 - Ok, I can totally see blindmewithscience as scum with Wgeurtes after this post. If Wgeurtes flips scum then he should be tomorrows flip. And if it is Wguetes + blindmewithscience then it's probably means it's not Silverwolf based on the second half of this post.

This seems to be what Mala caught. I think it's notable that he pointed out Silver/wgeurts first, however, and followed up with BMWS/wgeurts. Honestly, I'm more inclined to think of the first as deliberate linking and the latter as an afterthought. Not changing my read on BMWS.

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This, by the way, is what Mala was referring to that apparently points "straight to Wis-scum". I wanted her to flesh out her read a bit more (hence why I kept asking about it) but it's notable that a Wisdom/Victor team would be very consistent on Victor's end.

Friendly reminder that if Wisdom is lynched and flips town, we better take out Constantine and Riddleton. I am literally unable to see a game where all 3 of these people are town. Seriously. It's pretty much impossible at this point.

[Wisdom]

Guys, I get what you're talking about and I assure you I didn't think about that at all when I posted it. I also don't think that's the case btw.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is just town playing badly

How am I playing badly?

[Mathdino]

Guys, I get what you're talking about and I assure you I didn't think about that at all when I posted it. I also don't think that's the case btw.

Who is scum?

[borkjerfkin]

Guys, I get what you're talking about and I assure you I didn't think about that at all when I posted it. I also don't think that's the case btw.

You don't think what's the case?

[Mathdino]

Likely referring to scum in {Wisdom, Constantine, Riddleton}, but not sure.

Wisdom, PoE makes one of the above scum. Unless you want to go after BMWS or something (which would be daft, IMO).

[Wisdom]

No, I'm referring to what you're speculating regarding my suspects

prolly we should just talk about it openly, I doubt scum can't understand by now

[Mathdino]

No, we're not talking about it openly. If you understand, great, you can answer my question better.

Who is scum?

[Wisdom]

Mala or N_M should still be one.

bork was starting to look worse because if I understand his reason for voting me it makes no sense to think I am scum just from this, so it could easily be opportunistic.

But you agreeing? with him confused me, so I'm lost.

[Mathdino]

Wisdom, I want you to ISO the players you just pushed again, like bork asked me to do.

Then answer the question again.

[borkjerfkin]

he's fucking playing dumb at this point

[Mathdino]

Agreed. We don't need more discussion on this.

UNVOTE: Constantine
VOTE: Wisdom

Paging

BMWS

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acryon

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Riddleton

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Newbie

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If any of you don't understand, do the work yourself, seriously.

[Wisdom]

I know what you're talking about. I don't think that's the case.

The real important thing is, why you assume I'm scum for not thinking about that. It doesn't make sense.

[Mathdino]

On your suspicions of bork, I really want to note that he waited a long time to open this discussion and only did when people worked together to pressure him on it.

That really reads opportunistic to you? Opportunism would be explaining the read when he first had it, pouncing on it.