Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Game Over)

[Total Wreck]

Awesome flavor video and text.

VOTE: DOMO

Shortest handle = scum.

VOTE: Romitelli

For using cliche RVS logic.

[Total Wreck]

My whole life has been a cliche.

Why make excuses for an RVS vote?

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: total wreck

R~

OMGUS!

Am I doing it right?

[Total Wreck]

no, you should have voted me in order to do it right

R~

I knew I was forgetting something.

UNVOTE: Shiny Hydreigon

There!

[Total Wreck]

I give up.

VOTE: mastin2

Because mastin.

[Total Wreck]

scummy scum is scum

why'd you move from romitelli to mastin before getting an answer?

R~

Because it's RVS and I'm not really all that invested in my vote.

Good job, though.

[Total Wreck]

scummy scum is scum

Should be:
scummy scum is scummy

[Total Wreck]

and you felt the need for a second RVS because..?

R~

Because I felt like it.

Save your sleuthing for the latecomers, it's a waste of time on me.

I'm anti-town, but I'm town nonetheless.

[Total Wreck]

and you felt the need for a second RVS because..?

R~

Because I felt like it.

Save your sleuthing for the latecomers, it's a waste of time on me.

I'm anti-town, but I'm town nonetheless.

[Total Wreck]

oh so you're admitting you're scum? ok

R~

No silly, I'm correcting your misuse of a common internet sentence structure.

[Total Wreck]

funny because i didnt really think you were being anti-town

but the fact you are trying to apologise for being anti-town means you thought you were anti-town, which means you are scum

R~

I wasn't "being" anti-town. I AM anti-town. Learn to read.

[Total Wreck]

While you are leaning to read, check my meta.

You just might figure out what I mean by "I am anti-town".

You know, since you are too pompous to ask clarifying questions and all.

[Total Wreck]

Learning, even.

Damn phone.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Bulbazak

To annoy SH.

[Total Wreck]

check my meta.

you have no completed games

oh, you meant the meta of the head who is posting? then sign your posts

R~

I always forget to.

If you see unsigned posts, attribute them to House.

[Total Wreck]

yeah. so, you dont know who i am if you're asking me to check your meta, do you?

R~

Wisdom, perhaps? You fit the misnomer's attitude.

[Total Wreck]

Anyway, I think I found scum already, you should definitely help me lynch her.

VOTE: farside

How does this make sense?

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Total Wreck

Seems the scummiest out of the 5 people talking.

and why is that?

R~

You know he is just going to paraphrase your posts, right?

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: KittyCupCake

Like, for real.

Like, totally.

[Total Wreck]

Oh dear.
Fun police is here.

Fun police indeed.

Don't give me that. Look at the bullshit I had to put up with. My posts are tame compared to SH.

[Total Wreck]

can you refresh me on the game we played together?

Oh, wow. That's a lot of games to look through. I'll try.

@TW: I never said SH wasn't fun police as well.

You have the right to remain silent.

If you give up that right, anything you say will be used against you to sell your lynch.

You have the right to a vote.

If you cannot decide on a vote, a decision will be provided for you at no charge.

Do you understand your rights as I have explained them to you?

[Total Wreck]

can you refresh me on the game we played together?

At the very least, we played together in that crazy game where people's roles were like "you are 88% town, 5% cop, 7% scum." I feel like we've played together more than that, but I haven't found others yet. -You might just have been in a lot of games I read.

what's "fun"

I feel sad that you need to ask that.

Do you understand your rights as I have explained them to you?

Are you

sure

I have the right to remain silent? -Won't that get me prodded/replaced?

It's certainly your right to remain silent.

It's also the mod's right to prod/replace/kill whomever they wish.

[Total Wreck]

What if 6 vote for no lynch, and 7 vote to lynch?

[Total Wreck]

What if 6 vote for no lynch, and 7 vote to lynch?

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[Total Wreck]

What if 6 vote for no lynch, and 7 vote to lynch?

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Well if 6 vote to no lynch & 7 vote to lynch, both will reach the required number of votes.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Total Wreck

Seems the scummiest out of the 5 people talking.

and why is that?

R~

Calling himself anti-town, complaining about "common internet sentence structure", voting "because [they] felt like it". Looks like ways to distance themselves from the responsibilities of their actions. Whatever they do, they don't want us taking them seriously because of it.

Well if 6 vote to no lynch & 7 vote to lynch, both will reach the required number of votes.

One will reach it first.

And you seriously think scum would fly out of the gate with a huge neon sign above their head for your convenience?

Wtf do we need investigative rules for? We have Pasch!

[Total Wreck]

Rules = roles

[Total Wreck]

Having to correct typos really blows my snark out of the water.

[Total Wreck]

You think you're so clever.

Yet it's a complete and total wreck.

Baa dum pshhh

[Total Wreck]

And you seriously think scum would fly out of the gate with a huge neon sign above their head for your convenience?

Wtf do we need investigative rules for? We have Pasch!

Sure. Exactly because it's seen as something someone wouldn't do. Or it's not intentional. Strange that you're taking a page 2 vote so seriously. And that you're discouraging scumhunting.

Way to misrep.

I'm not discouraging scum hunting, I'm discouraging stupidity disguised as scum hunting.

We are all prone to fall for it. Stay vigilant, proud warrior!

[Total Wreck]

I'm anti-town, but I'm town nonetheless.

What?

You. Be my first vote.

VOTE: total wreck

OMGUS.

[Total Wreck]

Damn, I forgot to vote again.

[Total Wreck]

I am a hydra and I have a head

[Total Wreck]

Ok so I figured out you're house and titus, and the one talking now must be house because no way you're titus.

But seeing as you made me go look in the sign up thread, I'm keeping my vote on you until something better comes along. That'll teach you.

Idk... anybody that knows me would say there is no way this is me.

Am I House? Am I Titus?

Am I me at all?

[Total Wreck]

Also, Tequila is good.

[Total Wreck]

Also also, liquor before beer. Always.

[Total Wreck]

Also also also, I'm not drunk.

[Total Wreck]

Bulba thinks everything I say is scummy.

To be fair, that post

was

kinda tryhard.

[Total Wreck]

You know, since you are too pompous to ask clarifying questions and all.

Is it normal for house to casually insult people? This could be alignment indicative, but I have no history with house so idk if this is just a house tell or something worth looking into.

It's not alignment indicative. I'm always an ass.

[Total Wreck]

It's not alignment indicative. I'm always an ass.

Fair enough. I'm fresh enough from a game with titus that I feel like I should be able to read her, so I'm just gonna wait for her to get involved before deciding where I am with you guys.

Good luck with that wait. I might be playing this one out solo. She seems to be occupied elsewhere.

- House

[Total Wreck]

That is absolutely hilarious.

[Total Wreck]

Now that WAS hilarious.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Pine

Stalker.

[Total Wreck]

Vote: Mastin

Ugh, Gosling is not a beard man.

He's ten times hotter clean shaven.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Pine
Stalker.

Right idea, wrong target.

Pine's stalking ME, you see.

He keeps replacing into games I'm in.

[Total Wreck]

Yes, well, it's coincidental, because his target is me. Trust me. Pine and I go way back.

You're just unwilling to face the fact he's a two-timer.

It's okay sweetie, not the first time a man has ever done it.

Life will go on.

[Total Wreck]

IF they're scum, though, DOMO's the vote standing out the most on them.

And what if they're town? Which votes stand out then?

Well, DOMO's still stands out, but less so. Bulb's stands out a bit more, though.

Interesting. -That is not an answer I expected. Can you further explain the following for me then?

Total Wreck is as discussed likely town in spite of the suspicion I'd otherwise have on 'em.

Bulb looks town but I wouldn't say he's done anything that's alignment-indicative. (Hey, he's competent as scum.)

-Specifically, how are you reading

both

TW

and

Bulb as likely town, even noting that you've seen nothing alignment-indicative from Bulb, but also think that Bulb's vote would look bad on that wagon if TW is town?

That mastin is reading me as town despite my... peccadilloes... speaks either to her experience & insight, or her possession of outside knowledge (if she is scum, of course she knows I'm not... but why would she say so?)

I'm of the mind that she is town and worth listening to.

[Total Wreck]

Yes, well, it's coincidental, because his target is me. Trust me. Pine and I go way back.

Don't even know you, Total Wreck. Assuming hydra or alt though

Mastin is the only reason I replaced into this game. Know why she's called Mastin2, and not just Mastin? This guy, that's why

Not buying it, Pine. 3 games in what... less than 3 weeks?

It's cool though, you are fun to play with.

[Total Wreck]

I'm stalking farside.

By accident, but this is like 3 games in a row now.

pedit - total wreck is house (active) and titus (inactive)

Snitches get stitches.

Lucky for you, I'm a doctor.

[Total Wreck]

They. It was the male side of the hydra talking. It's not WIFOM, it's out of game discussion. Ignore it and move along

This.

I guess House MD isn't as universally known as I thought?

[Total Wreck]

Arright, between TW, Mastina, Farside and I, this game should go smoothly

I don't trust mastin. Otherwise I'm good with this group.

Are you high? I townread mastin more than either of the others right now. Even me.

[Total Wreck]

I haven't heard anyone talk about house in YEARS

I've been keeping a low profile, what with the faked death and all.

[Total Wreck]

I'm of the mind that she is town and worth listening to.

Why post this in response to me simply asking her a question? Are you saying I should blindly accept this as fact and not dare even glance in her direction? Or is there some other motivation I'm not seeing (and if so, please enlighten me)?

It wasn't "forced". It was a joke about the theme. It's not even based on my character.

Oh, I got that it was a joke; I was simply talking about how it came across. -But, this isn't something you need to defend against. I understand that people feel this...

obligation

to be funny in RVS, regardless of alignment. I was only saying that, while I agreed that the post in question was a little awkward, I didn't think it meant anything useful.

I guess House MD isn't as universally known as I thought?

I'm a fan.

I simply stated my opinion.

If I give an order, I'm not subtle about it.

[Total Wreck]

Why no interaction with me then?

For the same reason I haven't interacted with mrs marangel yet. It's like asking me why I haven't got a hat on today. Because I haven't put one on. I haven't really had anything to say to you farside because, well nothing has stood out from you.

You had 2 people agree with each other about Martin.
Why do you think they know better?

pine and mastin have said that they go way back. TW seems to have played a lot of games recently with mastin. I have one game that I can't remember but mastin can, that's our history. So I feel pine and TW are better placed to read mastin than I am, certainly when it comes to meta, which is the basis on which most d1 reads are built. That's not to say I won't try, and that's not to say I'm going to blindly sheep them, but for today I'm willing to take into account their read of mastin.

Why in the world do you assume that I have played with mastin before? If I had, it would have made her read of me less impressive.

[Total Wreck]

I felt like it.

Dwell on an inconsequential reply if you want to, but I find it to be unproductive.

[Total Wreck]

Nah, not really.

Meta House, I don't care about pressure votes. Or real ones, for that matter.

[Total Wreck]

I never said I don't care about the game.

Why do you equivocate lack of interest in self-preservation with apathy?

[Total Wreck]

I never said I don't care about the game.

Why do you equivocate lack of interest in self-preservation with apathy?

Because you getting lynched hurts your team. And if you don't care about hurting your team, you don't care about winning, or consequently the game in general.

That might be how you interpret the game, but you have no idea what I care about and are leaping to some unfounded conclusions simply because you don't like my playstyle.

[Total Wreck]

Oh, I got that it was a joke; I was simply talking about how it came across. -But, this isn't something you need to defend against. I understand that people feel this...

obligation

to be funny in RVS, regardless of alignment. I was only saying that, while I agreed that the post in question was a little awkward, I didn't think it meant anything useful.

Fair enough.

Nah, not really.

Meta House, I don't care about pressure votes. Or real ones, for that matter.

By all means, get yourself lynched stupidly and cost town information and time.

TW, to clarify, I'm interested because I didn't vote mastin or say I thought she was scum there, and she doesn't have a wagon on her or anything, so you jumping up and declaring her town when I just asked her a question feels

really

weird. So, any insight you can give me into what was going on in your head back there would be helpful.

I definitely don't have enough info from Mastin yet to call her town.

If town wants to jump at shadows, it's no skin off my teeth.

[Total Wreck]

That might be how you interpret the game, but you have no idea what I care about

Okay, so why don't you explain that to me then? -What

do

you care about?

If town wants to jump at shadows, it's no skin off my teeth.

Look, this is how this works: I see something weird, and I ask the person why. Then, you can either respond constructively, and help the town by sharing some insight into your thought process and alignment, or you can hurt the town by being difficult.

Difficult IS my thought process. As far as what I care about, it's the puzzle.

Who is scum? Who will they kill? Why? Is there an SK, or is it a vig? Why would town do "x"? Why wouldn't scum do "y"?

What others think of

me

doesn't matter to me. I'm more concerned with what I think of others.

Your insistence on pushing me over this makes me lean town on you, because it would be easier for scum to write off my attitude as scummy for an easy mislynch.

[Total Wreck]

I do remember distinctly missing Titus though.

That makes two of us.

- House

[Total Wreck]

Difficult IS my thought process. As far as what I care about, it's the puzzle.

Who is scum? Who will they kill? Why? Is there an SK, or is it a vig? Why would town do "x"? Why wouldn't scum do "y"?

What others think of

me

doesn't matter to me. I'm more concerned with what I think of others.

Thank you, that's great. I can appreciate and understand that. But, do you think you could consider that you aren't the only person playing this game? -I'm trying to work out the puzzle as well, but you're effectively hiding some of the pieces from me.

You

may not actually care about being voted, but displaying that attitude is bad for

my

game experience and hinders

my

ability to solve the puzzle. So, if you could take that into consideration, I would really appreciate it.

Anyway, I'll give you a little puzzle to work out. Let's say, hypothetically, one player asked another player a question, without saying anything regarding their alignment. Then, a third player proclaims the second player town. -Why might town do that?

Fair enough.

[Total Wreck]

mastin

is

town, though.

[Total Wreck]

Leaning Bulbazak scum.

He has much incentive to indict mastin because she is a big threat to scum..

[Total Wreck]

Leaning Bulbazak scum.

He has much incentive to indict mastin because she is a big threat to scum..

i really don't understand how you consider this valid scumhunting

it's founded on hypotheticals that haven't even been proved to be likely yet

That's fine, I'm seldom understood until things progress, anyway.

[Total Wreck]

Lulz

[Total Wreck]

I just said fair enough, never said I'd actually do anything differently, either.

[Total Wreck]

so this game had me apathetic because i dont know most of the playerlist, and those that i do know i cant read reliably.

that said, i did read a bit more carefully now and my reads look like that:

town: {mastin, Paschendale, farside, Total Wreck, DOMO}
nulltown: {Doubleslap, Romitelli, Pine}
null: {Phidragon}
nullscum: {Aronis, Bulbazak}
scum: {KittyCupCake}

R~

This list looks convenient.

Care to explain you reads?

[Total Wreck]

L-1

Not by my count.

[Total Wreck]

Cog diss sucks.

My gut tells me that Pasch is scum. My analysis of his ISO refuses to confirm it no matter how much conf bias I attempt to leverage.

Well be keeping an eye on him, though.

[Total Wreck]

Will*

[Total Wreck]

Bulb, just to clarify my understanding of your reads so far... you think Pasch & I are scum, yes?

And you think Pasch forced an excuse for a vote on me during RVS?

If I am understanding your reads thus far, why do/did you think we're both scum?

[Total Wreck]

I'm not seeing town motivation in your posts. There's a degree of self-consciousness from you that I don't like and don't see as town. As for Pasch, I'm seeing fakeness from him. Particularly with the Kitty push, I'm seeing him trying to get a lynch over trying to figure out who is scum.

Meta me. Self-consciousness is not alignment indicative. I am a self-conscious person as either alignment.

Mostly because I am still learning the game and trying to figure out what is scum/town play in my own posts so I can find it easier in others.

Right now, the only thing I really have to go on when trying to figure out a person's alignment is whether they seem to have an agenda, but that isn't reliable because town can have an agenda too.

Hell, one of the most frustrating things about this game is that every time I think I find a scum tell, I see town doing the same thing later on.

It's maddening.

[Total Wreck]

And you ignoring the rest of my post when I explained why I am self-conscious shoots your credibility to hell.

[Total Wreck]

If you were actually serious about looking back at your posts and figuring out what was town/anti-town play and improving, then you wouldn't be bragging about how anti-town you are. It's a smokescreen and a load of crap.

I didn't say shit about wanting to change my game, I said I am trying to figure out what is scummy vs what is town, because scum and town act so damned alike that I see scum using what some players call town tells and town using what other players call scum tells.

Your misinterpretation of my post feels contrived, like you are reading into it what you want in order to support your unfounded theory.

Idk if that makes you scum or bad town, though.

[Total Wreck]

I really don't like this Kitty wagon.

Is that so?

VOTE: Kitty

L-1

[Total Wreck]

I really don't like this Kitty wagon.

either wking scum or partner
my gut says the former but that wont make me stop lynching kitty

R~

I agree, but I'd be thrilled with a Bulbazak lynch.

[Total Wreck]

Scratch that, it's pretty early for him to be defending a Parmer so blatantly. I'm going with WK.

VOTE: Bulbazak

[Total Wreck]

Partner*

[Total Wreck]

^ both town imo

Bulba partner IMO.

By tying our alignment together there, he could firm up a town read on Bulbazak after I'm NK'ed or mislynched.

[Total Wreck]

blah blah so fake

R~

This isn't like the town Wisdom I remember.

Bring him back.

[Total Wreck]

town Wisdom

such a thing doesnt exist

R~

What a scum claim!

VOTE: SH

[Total Wreck]

Lulz

[Total Wreck]

I can see town motive behind Kitty wanting me to be more cooperative, and nitpicking her methodology is far scummier than anything she said, imho.

[Total Wreck]

Pasch is applying pressure?

News to me.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Bulbazak

Out of his three scum reads, he picks the one last likely to actually get a wagon on D1.

That and other stuff.

[Total Wreck]

Last = least

[Total Wreck]

I think I'm liking Shiny Hydra for scum.

He's more inquisitive as town and accusations as scum, from my experience.

[Total Wreck]

Accusational.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Shiny Hydra

[Total Wreck]

house, how about you give us your opinion on what is happening instead? i actually dont like this dodge from you.

R~

I didn't dodge shit, I just have no interest in getting caught up in your shenanigans.

I can be an ass all on my own, I don't need to jump into your pile of shit to stink.

[Total Wreck]

Town scum town dunno

[Total Wreck]

Yeah site, you have a thousand questions after I called you out.

[Total Wreck]

What the fuck is wrong with mastin?

VOTE: mastin[/mastin]

Tantrums are not cool. If you don't like being called a liar, don't fucking play mafia, jfc.

Tantrums are alignment indicative?

[Total Wreck]

Jump on the Shiny Hydra wagon and you can likely live until D2, Pasch.

You are on your own after that.

[Total Wreck]

Double OMGUS.

Wow, you sure convinced me you were town with that!

[Total Wreck]

mhm. and you're still not answring them.

its time for me to invoke meta and remember that town-house was much more cooperative.

R~

You are shit at reading meta.

Town house is more confrontational, scum house is appeasy and buddies.

[Total Wreck]

Scum house also avoids the spotlight. Town house tells people where to stick the spotlight.

[Total Wreck]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58830

Scum house: appeasey, buddied everyone, avoided attention.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=59204

Town house: confrontational, "in your face", erratic

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=59515

Town house: confrontational, not avoiding spotlight

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59471

Town house: confrontational, not avoiding spotlight

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59502

Town house: confrontational, not avoiding spotlight

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=59843

Scum house: confrontational.due to frustration with LL shenanigans (and yours), but I was still buddying my strongest townread even after I decided you could all shove off .

Don't invoke that which you don't understand.

[Total Wreck]

Quadruple-Vote: Shiny Hydra

For trying to lie about my meta to sell a mislynch.

[Total Wreck]

I'm dying to vote Pine, myself.

I hope he townies his ass up, and soon.

[Total Wreck]

@Pine: I saw what you were capable of as a scum hunter, so now I'm spoiled and expect it all the time.

[Total Wreck]

all the more reason to figure him out so he stops being a distraction

R~

No when you have scum, you lynch scum.

Unless you have reason to defend Pasche...?

[Total Wreck]

Enjoy eating your time.

That you choose to stall when Pasche wagon starts picking up steam is also telling.

[Total Wreck]

Coulda sworn I was voting Pasche.

VOTE: Pasche

[Total Wreck]

Jump on the Shiny Hydra wagon and you can likely live until D2, Pasch.

You are on your own after that.

Right, not a vote... but that totally sounds neutral, innit?

[Total Wreck]

that sounded to me like you wanted him to vote me.

Now tell me how making Pine post is wasting time plz

R~

A solo vote isn't going to do much.

And you are being disingenuous about my post regarding Pasche. I clearly wasn't reading him as town given my tone and attitude.

Sounding scummy, Wis.

[Total Wreck]

So in other words you don't care about reading Pine.

R~

Misrep more, please.

The fact other priorities are higher doesn't mean Pine is a non-issue.

When you are sitting down to eat, but run to the bathroom first to take a shit, do you forget the food exists?

[Total Wreck]

When Pasche flips scum, I'm tunneling the shit out of Shiny.

[Total Wreck]

though pasche is still scum.

R~

Why don't you answer that question?

[Total Wreck]

I'm looking forward to an explanation for your naked vote on Pasche.

Mastin might let you slide for that, but I'd love to hear a non-scum motive for all the waffling.

Right now, the naked vote and simple "Pasche is still scum tho" statement reeks of distancing.

[Total Wreck]

Why are you dodging, house? My question was simple.

R~

I'm not giving you a pass to explain away your naked vote.

In fact...

VOTE: Shiny Hydra

until you do.

[Total Wreck]

I'll provide as much clarity as you have.


The answer too your question is:


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Wait for it...


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No seriously, you go first.

[Total Wreck]

Fuckery aside, there is far more to go on in regards to Pasche than there is Pine.

If the game eee at a stand still with no leads, that would be one thing. But it's not.

[Total Wreck]

i love how you emphasize "town" players there.

each time you post you obvscum even more

R~

Why so hesitant to lynch obvscum, Wisdom?

[Total Wreck]

The mute Wisdom dances, the more I like my vote.

He can't explain away his refusal to lynch his scum buddy Pasch after calling him obvscum, so he tries to sell his shit vote as pressuring Pine when there is no need for it when we have scum in front of us.

Lynch SH or Pasche today, and the other one tomorrow.

[Total Wreck]

Mute = more.

/sigh

[Total Wreck]

The more Wisdom dances, the more I like my vote.

He can't explain away his refusal to lynch his scum buddy Pasch after calling him obvscum, so he tries to sell his shit vote as pressuring Pine when there is no need for it when we have scum in front of us.

Lynch SH or Pasche today, and the other one tomorrow.

EBWOP

[Total Wreck]

Pasche posted twice since you called him "dunno", 525 and 565.

I'm waiting to hear what in his posts made you so sure he is scum.

R~

I have a job. I'm not able to sit here and cogitate on this game day in and day out.

It's not unusual for me to go from not having an opinion to having one later on, because this shit is not my entire life.

Sorry for blowing your implication out of the water though, scum.

[Total Wreck]

Anyway I'm liking shiny for town after this recent exchange with TW. Not so convinced about wreck.

Are you scum our VI?

Save me the trouble of figuring that out, phase.

[Total Wreck]

Not interested in helping you squirm, scum.

Get somebody else to be your accomplice in avoiding the noise.

[Total Wreck]

how can one think that this pasche push that came out of nowhere and continues to be unexplained comes from town? i feel you guys didnt read what happened

R~

I'm pushing

you

, clueless. Pasche was mainly a stepping stone.

He's scum, but he was a means to an end.

You went from spilling him down the river to being of his wagon to defending him.

You are scum.

[Total Wreck]

how can one think that this pasche push that came out of nowhere and continues to be unexplained comes from town? i feel you guys didnt read what happened

R~

I'm pushing

you

, clueless. Pasche was mainly a stepping stone.

He's scum, but he was a means to an end.

You went from sailing him down the river to being of his wagon to defending him.

You are scum.

EBWOP

[Total Wreck]

And then he confirms my thoughts that such a scumread isn't possible by failing to explain it and giving ridiculous excuses.

R~

The only way your bullshit post (and especially that sentence) makes any damned sense is if you hadn't been scumreading Pasche, then begged off for something inane.

But you did, so take your questions and shove them, scum.

[Total Wreck]

But you did, so take your questions and shove them, scum.

[Total Wreck]

Thought so

R~

I have no reason to explain my vote considering you never explained yours, hypocrite.

[Total Wreck]

I'm dying to vote Pine, myself.

I hope he townies his ass up, and soon.

@Pine: I saw what you were capable of as a scum hunter, so now I'm spoiled and expect it all the time.

This feels really strange. Why would town say he hopes pine towns his ass up? Why would town want someone who looks scummy to stop being scummy? I think wreck had this very same thought process as he read back what he had posted... hence the explanation two minutes later.

This is really odd.

I found this while looking at wreck with pasch and shiny past post 506. I'm starting to agree with shiny that wreck's flip onto pasch is a huge red flag, and certainly wreck's inability to explain himself, along with these awkward posts I quote above, has me thinking that wreck would indeed be optimal lynch for today.

I'm sold.

VOTE: wreck

So being am idiot and interact with me instead of taking scum at their word.

If you want to know something, all you have to do is ask.

[Total Wreck]

I'm dying to vote Pine, myself.

I hope he townies his ass up, and soon.

@Pine: I saw what you were capable of as a scum hunter, so now I'm spoiled and expect it all the time.

This feels really strange. Why would town say he hopes pine towns his ass up? Why would town want someone who looks scummy to stop being scummy? I think wreck had this very same thought process as he read back what he had posted... hence the explanation two minutes later.

This is really odd.

I found this while looking at wreck with pasch and shiny past post 506. I'm starting to agree with shiny that wreck's flip onto pasch is a huge red flag, and certainly wreck's inability to explain himself, along with these awkward posts I quote above, has me thinking that wreck would indeed be optimal lynch for today.

I'm sold.

VOTE: wreck

So being an idiot and interact with me instead of taking scum at their word.

If you want to know something, all you have to do is ask.

EBWOP

[Total Wreck]

So the truth is you have no interest in my vote and simply wanted an excuse to vote me.

[Total Wreck]

Hey wreck, can you quote where shiny defended pasch please? Thanks.

He's been undermining the Pasch wagon ever since he jumped off with the pathetic excuse of solo voting Pine for "pressure".

Instead of lynching his alleged scumread, he'd rather waste his vote on a D1 enigma and discredit anyone else who reads Pasce as scum, which is why I didn't bother wasting time answering him.

[Total Wreck]

So why is shiny scum but I get ignored for, um, undermining the pasch wagon by trying to lynch pine. And masin. And bulba.

Show me where you were voting and hard scumreading Pasche before you abandoned his wagon for a flimsy excuse and I'll scumread you, too.

Like if we were on a Bulba wagon together, and I hoped off and stated voting, say SH out of the blue With no scumread on SH when I was hard scumreading Bulba, what do you think that would look like to you?

[Total Wreck]

So why is shiny scum but I get ignored for, um, undermining the pasch wagon by trying to lynch pine. And masin. And bulba.

Show me where you were voting and hard scumreading Pasche before you abandoned his wagon for a flimsy excuse and I'll scumread you, too.

Like if we were on a Bulba wagon together, and I hoped off and stated voting, say SH out of the blue With no scumread on SH when I was hard scumreading Bulba, what do you think that would look like to you?

Well it would perhaps occur to me that you might be trying to drive conversation and generate information. But sure, you have a point here, if I were paying attention and you did that, it would stike me as alarming.

But your unwillingness to engage directly with shiny, that suggests to me that he's getting somewhere, and it's easier for you to ingore him.

Odd suggestion. I simply have no interest in engaging with scum.

[Total Wreck]

But how can you be so sure? I'm engaging now with someone I think is scum, because, well maybe I'm wrong.

pedit - sure. Why whatever shiny asked you?

With his other wagon hoops, he was jumping from one scum read to another.

He left the Pasch wagon for an entirely different and scummy as fuck reason.

[Total Wreck]

Hops*

[Total Wreck]

DOMI, I'm pretty sure I've completely undermined his bullshit "case" on me and he is now simply throwing shit against the wall, so I've lost interest in his b/s.

If you have any further questions about my read on Pasche, I'd be happy to address them.

[Total Wreck]

DOMO*

[Total Wreck]

Also DOMO, notice how he has completely lost interest in my Pasch read? Apparently, my willingness to answer questions simply leads to more questions in the hopes that he can find something else to twist another question out of.

Scummy Wisdom is scum.

[Total Wreck]

And he loves misrepping me, so I'm thrilled with my SH vote.

[Total Wreck]

Also, if SH was town, scum would have latched onto an opportunity to rationalize voting for him and jumped on with their own reason, fabricated or not.

That literally I am the only one on his wagon supports my read.

[Total Wreck]

SH would make an excellent mislynch target as town because I could be sent up next for working so hard to get him lynched.

Scum has no interest lynching him because he is scum.

[Total Wreck]

Threats now?

Wow, so obvtown!

Lynch this, lynch it with fire.

[Total Wreck]

You have no idea what I will our won't do, scummy hydra.

[Total Wreck]

The only thing I learned about Wisdom is that you're narcissistic, but I've known that for a while.

It's one of the things I like about you.

[Total Wreck]

Sucks that you are scum, though.

[Total Wreck]

Right, because OMGUS and whining is the ultimate towntell.

[Total Wreck]

Precisely, and you are obvscum scrounging for any excuse to rationalize avoiding the Pasch wagon you abandoned on shit grounds.

[Total Wreck]

ladies give it a rest please. I predict there's exactly one scum between you, and we lynch wreck today and if he flips town we lynch shiny tomorrow, and if he flips town then lynch me for lining up mislynches, then when I flip town blame shiny and wreck for shitting all over the thread on d1 with their so certain scum reads.

I'm so down with that plan.

Let's do it... But dammit follow through!

[Total Wreck]

Irt that game, lol at town for lynching their doc after he claimed.

[Total Wreck]

sure you are..

this reminds me of yet another house-scum game where he did the same

R~

Yeah, and I followed through on that offer because I had no interest in putting up with your stupidity.

I do the same thing as town, that's not alignment indicative.

[Total Wreck]

Stupidity because I correctly caught you?

I don't doubt you may do the same as town, but in this case, like in that case, you're doing it for AtE.

R~

If you felt you caught me, you wouldn't feel the bed to lay it on so thick as to say "correctly caught".

You are reaching and you know it, but you don't care because you simply want a mislynch.

[Total Wreck]

Bed = need

[Total Wreck]

My problem is not with TW's playstyle, Kitty. My problem is that there's no fucking way to scumread Pasche so strongly off these two posts. And we're not just talking "I think he is scum", we're talking "Pashe is obvscum and SW are also scum for trying to

waste time

reading Pine instead of lynching him". And that when Pine was ALSO a null read of his.

Seriously, explain to me a town thought process that does all of what TW did.

The change in read didn't have to come from just those two posts. He may have reconsidered some things pasch posted earlier, or it could be interactions. I don't know TW specifically well enough to be able to walk you through the exact details of his thought process, but I know that sudden read shifts aren't uncommon for that type of player in general.

He claimed in 541 that I was lying about his meta in order to mislynch him, when I wasn't even voting him or asking anyone to vote him.

Post 527 is what I'm guessing that referenced.

And then we have him claiming in 595 that I am refusing to lynch Pasche, when I nowhere stated that I have stopped scumreading him and when I nowhere asked anyone to stop voting/wagoning/scumreading Pasche.

I'm pretty sure his confusion there is coming from the same place mine is, namely that the two of you are both correctly reading pasch as scum... and are fighting with each other over your shared scum read.

This is, seriously, one of the most asinine discussions I've seen in mafia. And that is not an easy honor to earn.

It looks like he is searching for excuses to push me all the time.

You're doing the

exact same thing

with him!

You are scum.

No, no, no. You're playstyles just clash, a bit. Find a way to work it out. Maybe try discussing things rather than screaming and throwing votes at each other every 5 minutes.

Look, we're all scum reading pasch, right? -Great. Now, can we stop the pointless infighting over that shared read and do something constructive?

90% of the reason I am voting him is because he is refusing to lynch Pasch!

[Total Wreck]

You're doing the exact same thing with him!

seriously? read the fucking game, he has been looking for reasons to push me for the whole fucking game. Is that what I have been doing? Have I focused on him all game?

You have fucking confbias that I am wrongly tunneling on him and refuse to listen to reason when you have not even read the game properly.

R~

Wrong.

Lynch Pasch and my vote goes away. Keep yours off him and mine stays on you.

[Total Wreck]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=59515

[Total Wreck]

So, other than Kitty and TW wanting to vote me because I went after them (which they will deny, but will offer nothing besides my attacks on them for evidence), anyone got anything useful to say? How about the blabbermouths shut the hell up for a little while and let Doubleslap, Farside, Romitelli, and Aronis put out a few thoughts. Or we can just waste more time and energy while a few loud players scream at each other and yet manage to say very little except about their own egos.

It wasn't that you went after me, it was how you went after me.

You voted me for being useless and obnoxious, then undermined your own vote by admitting town could be the same.

For as hard as your scumread on me was, that was an easy out to rationalize hoping off me if my wagon didn't take off.

You are scum.

[Total Wreck]

i am completely relaxed and in no need of any perspective.

You

need to lose your town-tunnel and read what happened instead of assuming it's tvt.

I saw what happened. You were scumreading pasch. TW started scumreading pasch. You wondered why. TW isn't big on explanations. TW wondered why you weren't voting for pasch. And endless loop of miscommunication and chaos ensued.

no, thats not what happened. Thanks for confirming you haven't read shit

R~

That's precisely what happened as evidenced by the fact you still refuse to lynch Pasch.

[Total Wreck]

why cant i have a fucking dayvig

R~

That desperate to save your buddy, are you?

[Total Wreck]

yep, the buddy that isnt even in any danger

R~

Yeah, thanks to your hard work that cost the wagon two votes.

[Total Wreck]

And conveniently shifted focus off of him.

[Total Wreck]

@TW: I know.

Seriously? You

know

? Show me where I refused to lynch Pasche or otherwise defended Pasche like he's claiming.

I'm not saying I agree with him, I just understand where he is coming from. He got a scumread on pasch, wanted you to back up your scumread on pasch by voting with him, and instead you attacked him for his sudden read change.

And, I hate to break this to you Wisdom, but you two do not play well together. From what I've read of this game with rooms and vigs, house wanted to put you on a leash, and then get lynched at some point because he felt your attitude was ruining the game.

I like Wisdom when he isn't full of himself.

Granted that isn't very often, so...

[Total Wreck]

Leading the vig was the correct play in that game.

To give Wisdom credit, he did come around to it... after he killed a townie.

[Total Wreck]

Leashing*

[Total Wreck]

You're doing the exact same thing with him!

seriously? read the fucking game, he has been looking for reasons to push me for the whole fucking game. Is that what I have been doing? Have I focused on him all game?

You have fucking confbias that I am wrongly tunneling on him and refuse to listen to reason when you have not even read the game properly.

R~

Wrong.

Lynch Pasch and my vote goes away. Keep yours off him and mine stays on you.

[Total Wreck]

So, other than Kitty and TW wanting to vote me because I went after them (which they will deny, but will offer nothing besides my attacks on them for evidence), anyone got anything useful to say? How about the blabbermouths shut the hell up for a little while and let Doubleslap, Farside, Romitelli, and Aronis put out a few thoughts. Or we can just waste more time and energy while a few loud players scream at each other and yet manage to say very little except about their own egos.

It wasn't that you went after me, it was how you went after me.

You voted me for being useless and obnoxious, then undermined your own vote by admitting town could be the same.

For as hard as your scumread on me was, that was an easy out to rationalize hoping off me if my wagon didn't take off.

You are scum.

Except this is where Wisdom's excuses fall apart.

I want going to give him my reasons for reading Pasch scum when he still hasn't provided his own.

But he has no interest in setting Pasch lynched, his vote was for show.

[Total Wreck]

So, other than Kitty and TW wanting to vote me because I went after them (which they will deny, but will offer nothing besides my attacks on them for evidence), anyone got anything useful to say? How about the blabbermouths shut the hell up for a little while and let Doubleslap, Farside, Romitelli, and Aronis put out a few thoughts. Or we can just waste more time and energy while a few loud players scream at each other and yet manage to say very little except about their own egos.

It wasn't that you went after me, it was how you went after me.

You voted me for being useless and obnoxious, then undermined your own vote by admitting town could be the same.

For as hard as your scumread on me was, that was an easy out to rationalize hoping off me if my wagon didn't take off.

You are scum.

Except this is where Wisdom's excuses fall apart.

I wasn't going to give him my reasons for reading Pasch scum when he still hasn't provided his own.

But he has no interest in seeing Pasch lynched, his vote was for show.

EBWOP

[Total Wreck]

And everything you are saying could just as well be coming from me.

But you are the one making all the noise, I am just responding to it.

[Total Wreck]

That was to SH.

[Total Wreck]

You have decided I am a tunneling townie who is wrong

Mostly, I've decided that you're a bit of a hypocrite.

Expain.

Your

. Pasch. Read.

you know what, no. vote me if you think im a hypocrite.

R~

Because you can't.

You just wanted to distance and hop off.

[Total Wreck]

vote me if you think im a hypocrite.

I'm tempted. After all of this noise about TW not explaining his pasch read, you've yet to give any explanation to yours.

Wisdom hides behind his "I don't make cases b/s that he uses as town so he can distance and bus easier as scum.

He can also read me better than what he is doing here, he knows my dysfunctional town game (just read the chairman mafia game I linked).

That he is trying to sell me as scum here when he knew I was town there convinced me he's out for an easy mislynch.

[Total Wreck]

kitty, no offense, but i feel you havent read the exchange properly. did you see how strongly TW was talking about pasche being scum? no matter what player anyone is, this is not explainable. and this is why he's not explaining it.

No offense, but you don't have the experience I do. I've seen this all before. This is not unreasonable town behavior.

also romi is not scum. stop tunneling and look at other players.

Oh, he is (and maybe you should take a minute to look him over). Though, I'm still happy to move over to pasch.

If this is true, please do so and I will happily join you there.

[Total Wreck]

Then when Pasch flips scum, we can lynch SH for chainsawing me.

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Pasch

For reasons stated.

[Total Wreck]

And SH accusing me of looking for an excuse to wagon him is hypocritical as well, considering he was feeling out a wagon for me since page one.

[Total Wreck]

Females are superior beings

but sure

VOTE: Pasche

the read is scum, reasons why aren't entirely neccessary, though what it basically boils down to is fluff, which is what you think wisdom is doing though look through his Iso again. He's spouting out information, over doing analysis and refraining from doing things that will put heat towards his direction, really.

~L

Thank you for joining in the conversation.

Would you please explain why Wisdom left the Pasch wagon and did his best to shift focus away from him once it appeared the Pasch vote was turning into a wagon? It's hard not to see scum motivation in that, as I am sure you would agree if you were looking at things from my perspective.

The whole Pine thing looked weak, because one vote does not pressure make. It would have been far more productive to lynch the scum in hand and address Pine suspicions next game day. I'd be glad to add my own vote in that case, as I suspect others would.

[Total Wreck]

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Oh irony

Careful, you will take Kitty's pace in Wisdom's scum reads.

[Total Wreck]

The whole Pine thing looked weak, because one vote does not pressure make. It would have been far more productive to lynch the scum in hand and address Pine suspicions next game day. I'd be glad to add my own vote in that case, as I suspect others would.

He explained this. He said he wanted to explore his other reads more on D1. And he never did anything to deter a Pasch wagon (which, to be fair, wasn't much of a wagon yet anyway with 1 vote, and then a second vote later from you).

The only reason there was only one vote is because I thought I was already on the wagon, as I already explained.

It's easy to see that by reading my tone towards Pasch.

[Total Wreck]

oi house, remember how i kept saying id shoot you in the chairman thingy? dont always take me too seriously. mastin and domo have obvtowned, do you know who caused this?

R~

R~

I had no clue what you were going on about.

Wasn't so much ignoring you as a wtf moment.

[Total Wreck]

At any rate, I maintain that it is better to lynch scum when there is momentum for their wagon and fish when there are no clear wagons.

[Total Wreck]

and since mara brought up this, i might as well explain my whole early play in this game.

Like I said in my first posts, this whole playerlist is hard for me because I don't know the majority of the players, and the few I do know (Aronis, House, Bulbazak, mastin) had difficulties at reading.

So I decided to make a few big waves, focused on the people I know, so I can judge both their reactions as well as the reactions of the rest of the playerlist. My pushes on Bulba and mastin were exactly this, I never confidently believed either was scum, I just wanted to see them flail, and I knew that it would work because in all my prior games with Bulba and mastin, I have deathtunneled on both of them. So they were guaranteed to believe I was deathtunneling on them again and act accordingly.

The Pasche read was also like that. I wasn't confident that Pasche was scum, but his tone was annoying me and I could see it being fake. Especially that post where he emphasized "town" in a way that would make him look town. So again I faked being completely confident in that read to see what would happen. Then I moved to Pine because he annoyed me more, and you know the rest.

The TW read is my first serious scumread. All before that, despite how confident I might have made you believe I was, were just to make things happen.

And he still is my only serious scumread. I realize I was probably unreasonable regarding Kitty, and she might have been ignoring my points regarding House out of sheer dislike of the way I was acting, like Pine is doing.

R~

You can't read me for shit, and I'll make a note to be more attentive to player lists in the future if this is your idea of how to play the game.

I was actually looking forward to this game when I saw you were in it. More the fool me.

[Total Wreck]

It was L-3. I waited for a vote count to be sure. -I wouldn't have voted him to L-2 there because my vote wasn't intending to see him lynched, it was meant to inspire a response and show that I was serious.

That's not true. He gave you a response, you didn't like it and voted tw.
Show me how I'm wrong.

Okay, you're wrong because:
1)When I said I wanted to "inspire a response," I meant I wanted a response to the question I

asked

, not the misinterpretation TW saw.
2)I didn't

dislike

his answer, I just wanted

more

since what he gave me didn't actually answer my question.

I love analogies, so it was like if I asked, "TW, why did you put that cat in the well," and he replied, "because it's furry," and I said, "umm, okay, but

why

did you put it in the well." And then TW got upset that I was obsessed with this cat and well business, and then I voted him to get more of an answer.

I call bullshit.

Whatever.

Why is pasch a scum read kcc?

Hahaha. Nope. I'm not giving my pasch read.

Spoiler: Read

I'm kidding. You'll get that when you catch up, if you haven't yet.

130-his response to me is a bit over defensive, considering I was actually on his side in this. First ping.
231262-Declaring "leading questions!" then when asked to show them, backtracked and said that there actually weren't any.
364-The contradiction between saying he cares about wagon objections, then decrying the people who were objecting to wagons. Granted, his response that this was more about getting them to offer alternative wagons is reasonable, so I have less issue with this than I did when I noted it.
Those are my main reasons.
I have 81, 177, and 322 noted for minor tone issues, but I also like the analysis in 59, 65, and 98.

Overall, I'd prefer Romi now, but pasch is next most likely.

On a side note I'm scum reading you for putting pressure on a player just for playstyle and then letting it go when nothing was resolved.
Utterly pointless

I got as much as I felt I was going to get out of it. And considering some of what I've seen over the last few pages, I don't regret that choice at all. You wanna see pointless? Wait until you catch up. Then you can question my judgement on this if you still want.

What if I simply put the cat in the well because it was furry?

[Total Wreck]

^^ Doubleslap doing some pretty hardcore scumposting up there. ^^

[Total Wreck]

Fuck it, lynch me.

Tired of the bullshit.

VOTE: Total Wreck

[Total Wreck]

Why is SH voting KCC?

[Total Wreck]

Nvm

[Total Wreck]

Wtb tw votes.

[Total Wreck]

its ok im the bad guy everyone thinks youre town now, you can stahp

R~

You're bad, but you're alright.

Still a bit arrogant tho.

I thought I had more votes on me. Guess I'll hop back to Pasch.

VOTE: Pasch

[Total Wreck]

House: if your asking that's one thing.
Your calling me scum for something that no one else has done.
You want to explain why?

I was talking about. Bulb

[Total Wreck]

I'm still down for my lynch btw.

[Total Wreck]

Also, I do it as either alignment so it's not much of an appeal.

Just ask Wisdom.

[Total Wreck]

i hate self votes so much

So vote for him. I would purely for the self vote if it wasn't for the fact I'm already on him. Dude is scum or a liability. I'm not shifting now unless something really compelling comes up, which I doubt.

Scumposting.

[Total Wreck]

Oh, okay then.

[Total Wreck]

No, it betrays my apathy. My sarcastic reply to your b/s response should have also clued you in.

[Total Wreck]

Which I said about SH, and you agreed with

Not a fan of the hypocrisy

What's that?

[Total Wreck]

I said that SH was either scum or counterproductive Town, and you endorsed that. Now DOMO's saying the same about you, and you're calling it scum posting

You can't have it both ways. I happen to agree, somewhat, with DOMO. There's zero legitimate pro-Town reason for Town to be even giving assent to their own lynch. Therefore, you're either scum making an AtE or Town acting stupid. I disagree that you're as much of a liability as the Wisdom head of SH, but you're rapidly killing my Townread of you

I agreed that was what he was, that was not the basis of my vote. It was the basis of YOURS.

[Total Wreck]

Self voting is completely unacceptable.

VOTE: Total Wreck

Idgaf what scum finds unacceptable.

[Total Wreck]

but you're rapidly killing my Townread of you

You should know by now that doesn't mean much to me.

[Total Wreck]

It ought to

A lot of things ought to be, but that doesn't make it so.

[Total Wreck]

Which I said about SH, and you agreed with

Not a fan of the hypocrisy

I don't agree that shiny scum or liability. You're imagining hypocrisy.

He was talking to me, but yes... He was imagining hypocrisy.

[Total Wreck]

Which I said about SH, and you agreed with

Not a fan of the hypocrisy

I don't agree that shiny scum or liability. You're imagining hypocrisy.

He was talking to me, but yes... He was imagining hypocrisy.

[Total Wreck]

fine. I will accept I might be wrong, if only because the rest of my scumreads match yours and the way they are treating both my 1v1 with House and House himself are not what I'd expect from scumbuddies.

I could see both Bulba and Romi being wrong, but then I don't know who else would fit the third scum slot. It is probably one of them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pasche

R~

This makes me happy. Hopefully, you will be more willing to participate in my little exercise, which requires a mindset of House!Town.

More to follow.