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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:02 am

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In post 1045, wgeurts wrote:Yeah those aren't cases, I can make individual in-depth cases. That was just a load of mental crap that I made as a result of me getting back into this game. If you hadn't realised, your on the town side of my reads and I can explain that if you wish.


So as long as you town read me, I should hand wave away the problems I have with your posting right now? Not a fucking chance.
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:09 am

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Took a break at Page 22. So I should be caught up by tomorrow.
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:14 am

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In post 1050, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1045, wgeurts wrote:Yeah those aren't cases, I can make individual in-depth cases. That was just a load of mental crap that I made as a result of me getting back into this game. If you hadn't realised, your on the town side of my reads and I can explain that if you wish.


So as long as you town read me, I should hand wave away the problems I have with your posting right now? Not a fucking chance.

Nope that would be dumb if you did, do you want me to explain why you're town or not? That post was not a case why you were town or not, it's just my brain spaghetti as I was reading everyone's ISO's.
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:18 am

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Sure, I'll bite on the buddying.
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:15 pm

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@ fish: this may not make sense.
I have a lot of people tell me my reasons don't read well and are hard to understand. But here is the best I can explain my reason.

In post 1007, wgeurts wrote:I'm sorry my day 2 play has been absolutely rubbish, my holidays nearly are starting so I've got time to make a more extensive analysis of each individual.

Flubbernugget - This is his random vote on alchemist.

, and - These are all fluff.

- Votes amy in what looks like a pressure vote. It looks opportunistic as amy already had 4 votes so it feels a bit off. Slightly scummy.

- Fluff.

- Basically naked votes me using the excuse of sheeping Mathdino as he's his strongest town read. This also feels off as I had 4 votes at that point and he has now been on the 2 main wagons without any good reasoning. More scummy.

to - Fluff.

- Through this post we see that Flubbernugget thinks Davesaz and Siveure were scum. Noted.

- After vaguely calling Siv scum in his last post (While pressure was rising on him) he now calls him scum
while siveure has 5 votes on him
. Why doesn't flubber vote siv there and then?
It looks like he's setting up for the mis-lynch from a scum-perspective.

, and - Weak one-line reasoning attempting to justify his Siv scum read. It's weird he isn't voting him.

(Only noting posts of worth from off here.)

- If flubber is scum this could be seen as a possibility to set up for a wagon hop to Alchemist if the Siv wagon dies. Alchemist had 2 votes by that point and would of been the most likely counter-wagon. He's still voting me with no reasoning although he's expressed many scum reads.

- Votes Adrien without any reasoning in a naked vote.

- Now this is odd, he just quit all the main wagons at that point. This doesn't add up with scum theory.

- He adds Venrob to his scum list. Well, he's back to his scum looking self again. This feels like setting up to go either way with Adrien or Venrob both the main suspects besides me.

Bleh, either really bad town play or scum. I'm making a list of who's most likely scum with scum at the top:
  1. Flubbernugget

He's the first on it so this may change.

In post 1008, wgeurts wrote:
Droog - His RVS vote on Anen.

and - He's already analysing wagons and votes. Small town points here.

and - He's contributing to setup speculation. I don't know why people add reads to this as scum could also just join in to look like they are contributing. Null.

- Backs up his earlier analysis methods. Feels town but is really null.

- Hinting that he feels something's off with Dino's posts. Dino wasn't a suspect at that point so this grants very small town points.

- I disagree with him but he's actually looking through posts trying to find stuff.

- This is a good post. I agree with him that setup spec isn't automatically town-motivated.

- Don't know what to make of this. He's sheeping a case saying he'll vote Dino if he does anything more scummy. The scum perspective here would be that he tried to get a Dino wagon going however it didn't catch so he's giving up and the town one would be he's not convinced himself of his Dino read. He votes Amy while she's at 3 votes here.

- The town theory seems to add up to this. He's unconfident in the Amy wagon so he says he will quit if it reaches L-1. I find it hard to give a scum motivation for this.

- This could be given a scum motivation, it could be possibly seen as setting up to hop onto my wagon (2 votes) if amy's fails.

and - More evidence that he's actually analysing everyone, something I see as a town-tell. His loss of trust in his Amy read feels natural and Anen wasn't a tempting wagon for scum at that point.

- He's showing his scum-Dino read again here. Dino was under (nearly) no suspicion at that point so this whole Dino thing would only really make sense as bussing if Dino and Droog were both scum. That would explain the not actually hard pushing that read.

- Pushing Dino slightly. He pushes more over his ext coming posts which I won't comment on.

- This feels good.

- Finally votes Dino, I really doubt a Dino-Droog team.

- I'm starting to fully agree. :)

- This is also a good vote.

I've went through his D2 posts as well but it's consistent with his play so far, he's town.

  1. Flubbernugget
  2. Droog

In post 1011, wgeurts wrote:
Ankimus [sHayate[/s]]
Hayate

- RV on Flubbernugget

- This is an odd one and can be views from two perspectives: Scum trying to look town by joining and investing effort into analysis or town investing effort as a genuine town. I can't tell from this alone.

- (S)he seems rather eager to participate in this discussion, same as above.

- Seems a little fabricated? Or not? I really don't know.

Hayate gets replaced with ankimus


- Two of her scum reads are town and she's defending amy. She scum reads Siv (amy and siv were both at 3 votes). If he flips scum we should seriously consider lynching amy's slot.

- Votes siv putting him at 4 votes. His reasons for doing so are really weak however. Slight scum.

- Venrob goes from being town to scum in this post. Venrob wasn't being voted at that point so this looks good although it's odd he doesn't change votes.

- Really terribly explained Davesaz scum read. Seems fake.

- Seems like she's refusing to explain the siv scum read/vote. Possibly because it isn't actually real?

General- He conveniently lurks through Siv's lynch with a vote on him.

- Votes me while there are no other votes on me. Seems slightly town motivated.

He's a lot less town then Alchemist but isn't at all as scummy as Flubber so:
  1. Flubber
  2. Ankimus
  3. Alchemist
  4. Droog



I used these as examples because when gerts talked about flubber and anka I recalled feeling the same way about both players in regards to there play.
Most of the sum of Flubber is nothing but fluff. At best Flubber is trollie, which I keep thinking of our last game together how much he wasn't mr. Fluff and fold.
With anka I talked about the amy read with anka.
I think the only thing I don't get is why anka is so high on the scum list after what he posted.
I've done iioa before when I get lost as a reminder to myself of players I forget about when there's been flips. I just don't post them all.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:34 pm

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Vote Count 2.10


wgeurts
(2): Ankamius, Mathdino
Flubbernugget
(2): Alchemist21, wgeurts
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(2): Formerfish, TheAdrienC
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(2): droog, farside22
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(1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting
(3): Aneninen, VictorDeAngelo, Green Crayons

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2014-12-22 22:00:00)
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:38 pm

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4 days.

Y'all've gotta be kidding me.

I'd be cool with a wgeurts lynch, an Ankamius lynch, a Victor lynch, and a Flubber and Adrien one ONLY out of policy (i hate saying that).

Would NOT be okay with a GC lynch or an Alchemist lynch.

Mod, can we ask for a deadline extension due to the replacements?
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:59 pm

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I'm willing to explore WG.

Vote: WG
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:00 pm

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You may ask but the answer is no :P
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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:01 pm

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I have given several wagons Dino
I have given several cases
How do you feel about animem
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:02 pm

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Guts is town tho
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:18 pm

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In post 1059, droog wrote:I have given several wagons Dino
I have given several cases
How do you feel about animem

Already told you.

THE FUCKER'S TOWN, MOVING ON.
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:25 pm

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In post 1034, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1003, Mathdino wrote:So because I dont feel like policying lynchbait, Im appeasing Venrobs slot? I dont understand what youre trying to say.

It was a standard replacement reaction test. GC surpassed expectations.


Alchemist's 1001 is appeasing your 999.

And having a reaction test with 0 creativity and being able to go "yup town" from it is not a townie thing to do.

Also VOTE: alchemist. He and adrian are scum but at least alchemist is here to party.

wat

So a more creative reaction test would've helped here? It's not like it was outside of the realm of reason to think a cop outed someone in this setup on D2.
On a sidenote, you seem like a mafia hipster. Congrats.

I'm going 'yup town' since I have scumreads elsewhere and I had a nagging suspicion that Venrob was lynchbait and he was correct in that he always plays like that (furthermore people kept voting him for lurking when he clearly had issues with his tech). So I confirmed that suspicion.

1001 and 999 are people working together in mafia. Is this strange to you? I'm townreading Alchemist now and he appears to be townreading me.

Also you have no case on anyone, so prove why it's not just 2 townies working together and talking over things.
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:08 pm

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Yes a more creative reaction test would have worked. Fake dayvig's don't work because everyone knows about them. The only way a reaction test works is if the testee hasn't seen it before, which usually means having to create a new one. But I have a nagging suspicion you know all of this because 1062 is the first time I remember seeing ad-homenim from you. This isn't even covering how fake your evaluation of GC's reaction looked.

I'm not sure how challenging a vote and the seeing scum have to cover up their cognitive dissonance as teamwork but this is a "yes-no" battle not worth fighting.
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:17 pm

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Because it's a pet peeve, just wanna say

Ad hominem is not "You're wrong, therefore you're stupid." That's just an insult. A useless one in this game, but an insult nonetheless.
Ad hominem is "You have an IQ of 42, therefore you're wrong."
Ad hominem is not "You're disregarding a common reaction test, therefore you're a hipster."

Regardless, just because it's common doesn't mean it doesn't work. The only way it wouldn't work is if you believe GC read the thread and confirmed it was a reaction test before claiming his role. Otherwise he had no way of knowing it was a reaction test.
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:30 pm

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This is the most we've gotten from Flubbernugget all game. Curious that this is the argument he chooses to go for in-depth.
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:34 pm

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Yeah we don't want to be lynching me.
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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:40 pm

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In post 1066, wgeurts wrote:Yeah we don't want to be lynching me.

VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts

is that the hammer
lynch this
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:25 pm

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Won't be here today due to a christmas party, mabye a phone post though.
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:26 pm

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In post 1067, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1066, wgeurts wrote:Yeah we don't want to be lynching me.

VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts

is that the hammer
lynch this

What's your case on me?
Why do you disagree with my ank and flubber cases?
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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:27 pm

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No thoughts on 1046/8
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:34 pm

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In post 1069, wgeurts wrote:
In post 1067, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1066, wgeurts wrote:Yeah we don't want to be lynching me.

VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts
VOTE: wgeurts

is that the hammer
lynch this

What's your case on me?
Why do you disagree with my ank and flubber cases?

i have answered literally all of these questions already

i don't disagree with your ank case
i just think your cases are full of shit
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:59 pm

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Umm, not those spam post analytics, the 2 seperate actual case at the end of the last page.
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:09 am

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In post 1064, Mathdino wrote:Because it's a pet peeve, just wanna say

Ad hominem is not "You're wrong, therefore you're stupid." That's just an insult. A useless one in this game, but an insult nonetheless.
Ad hominem is "You have an IQ of 42, therefore you're wrong."
Ad hominem is not "You're disregarding a common reaction test, therefore you're a hipster."

Regardless, just because it's common doesn't mean it doesn't work. The only way it wouldn't work is if you believe GC read the thread and confirmed it was a reaction test before claiming his role. Otherwise he had no way of knowing it was a reaction test.



I think this is possible. I don't see why with your wifom talks you dismiss it.

Also making shitty cases is a null tell. I could list many players sitewide that can't make a case worth a crap.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:24 am

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In post 1073, farside22 wrote:
In post 1064, Mathdino wrote:Because it's a pet peeve, just wanna say

Ad hominem is not "You're wrong, therefore you're stupid." That's just an insult. A useless one in this game, but an insult nonetheless.
Ad hominem is "You have an IQ of 42, therefore you're wrong."
Ad hominem is not "You're disregarding a common reaction test, therefore you're a hipster."

Regardless, just because it's common doesn't mean it doesn't work. The only way it wouldn't work is if you believe GC read the thread and confirmed it was a reaction test before claiming his role. Otherwise he had no way of knowing it was a reaction test.



I think this is possible. I don't see why with your wifom talks you dismiss it.

Also making shitty cases is a null tell. I could list many players sitewide that can't make a case worth a crap.

He's not COMPLETELY cleared of course but the premature claim along with the droog comment really sells it if he's scum.

I dismiss it for now because I wasn't a fan of the Venrob wagon in the first place as it was practically a policy lynch. I mean the dude provided examples of his play sucking in the majority of his games AND starting games off with talking about how his play sucks, along with the fact that he had reasons for not being around.

The entirety of his play should be null. Then GC walks in with one of the towniest possible responses to a reaction test.

So yeah, I'm going with town for now.

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