Mini #1647: Eine Kleine Nacht-Mord, Game Over

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vote CDB

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let the NK speculation begin

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let the NK speculation begin

I'd have left CES alive if I were scum. I was looking forward to playing with him.

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unvote, vote llamafluff

squeal like a piggy

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Any reason why, after you say this, you don't then go and do some speculatin' yourself or give your thoughts on the speculations of others?

yeah this is definitely a townpost yessiree nothing weird or awkward here

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can we please lynch LlamaFluff before he even posts that would just make my fucking year

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holy SHIT how dense are you

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at the very least I've cleverly managed to catch town^

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I like this guy

let's keep him

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if anyone outside of a newbie game derphammers someone WHO HASN'T EVEN POSTED then they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell

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derangment

we get it

you're town

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unvote

also I like llama's reaction

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What bothers me is that you assume any player worth their salt will know not to derphammer, but put Llama at L-1 anyway, hoping to catch scum who do

it's called reaction fishing and you ruined it

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the goal is not to catch llama or catch a scum who derphammers but to SEE HOW PEOPLE REACT TO IT

I guess I got one strong townread out of it and one weak one, so that's nice I guess

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unvote

also I like llama's reaction

I wasn't crazy about it. What exactly did you like?

it read to me as idgaf in a very town way

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"Reaction testing" is a cop out to allow yourself to get away with scummy stuff.

hadn't said it was reaction testing yet

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Am I the only one who thinks this way? Is running someone up to L-1 or L-2 in 24 hours, possibly before they even get the chance to do anything (depending on time zones), a normal thing around here?

it's not unheard of on day 1

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Reaction fishing? Do explain

you uh... do something and see how people react?

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reading is tech, bruh

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6600966

care you revise YOUR answer?

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seriously dude, how do you fuck that up, there's been THREE pages

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good for you

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talk down at me much? I don't have to justify jack

vote LlamaFluff

dance, puppet, dance

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can't help but notice that the main thrust of the argument we're hearing from Llama is "this play is suboptimal" not "you're about to lynch town"

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it's a point of what perspective the main argument is coming from

and to me it looks like not-town

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like, this right here is mafia, guys. figuring out perspectives and alignments based on the types of arguments people make.

no one is going to walk in here and hand you an alignment, and this shit is subtler than "yeah only mafia would ever put someone at L-1 early"

christ almighty why are you people trying to figure this shit out on black and white tells? those DON'T EXIST outside of newbie games.

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this is out of game, like a meta point, so please understand I'd say this as either alignment:

I like you bubs. you're going to be really good at this one day if you keep trying as hard as you are this game.

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but your motivational/behavior analysis wrt to me is based on a flawed and stubborn understanding of how people play and what motivates them

I don't really care if you learn that until after this game, but just keep it in your mind for later

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Morning. I see I'm late to the party again.

Apologies. Am travelling today, will be back full time tomorrow.

UNVOTE:
Need to see this.

why are you waiting of Futan? what are you waiting on him for?

do you think he's trying to wait it out so he didn't have to comment on or participate in the Llama wagon?

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I mean, unless you're scum and you're rolling me right now. I guess that's possible.

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mmk

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without cop results, anyone who is 100% sure of anything on day 1 is deluding themselves

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Heck for that matter why don't I just call you scum because you automatically assumed that anyone who hammered me when you put me at L-1 the first time would be scum

hey, wiseguy, I wasn't expecting anyone to hammer you. pack that shit up it's fucking stupid and useless.

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I don't even know where to start with that mess Llama posted.

it's all based on a bunch of faulty premises about why I'm doing what I'm doing and it STILL is not imo coming from a town perspective

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what really seals the deal for me is that he didn't start pushing on me until after he waited to see if he could get some other people willing to run with it first

if it was a real read it wouldn't have been a throwaway "oh I guess I could vote him too" initially

this some classic scum OMGUS right here

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hey yo llama before we keep arguing, can we go out of character for a second:

am I being too abrasive or whatever? I'm not trying to be a dick, so if you want me to tone it back I will

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okay I hear what you're saying, but I mean, it's day 1? I wanted information in general. I was in a position to get some and I went for it.

what's the end game, exactly, as scum, if that was my strategy?

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you're trying to paint a motivation on me that literally makes no sense coming from scum

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Are you saying that, if llama is town and you're scum, a quickhammer mislynch now, followed by a mislynch on whoever dropped the first hammer, isn't something you'd want?

uh, no

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it's worthless self-meta bs, but fwiw:

as scum I would want town to think a mislynch is their idea in that scenario. I wouldn't be asking for blood, I'd be saying "oh this here is just pressure, no quickhammers no rush here everyone get in and talk about it and do what you feel"

I'm a cheeky motherfucker, but I'm not *that* cheeky

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knowingly pushing a mislynch like that, in that way, does nothing but drawn attention to me and allows for big bright spotlight associative tells around the wagon

there's no upshot to doing that

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yeah, it could be a really long convoluted strategy that completely fucks my side

or I could just think you're scum

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you're riding that stat like it owes you money, man. give it up.

the number of people who have posted doesn't change my read on you. hell, the game having some direction to it gives them incentive to get off their lazy butts and contribute.

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Okay. What do you think of LlamaFluff's case against Untrod Tripod? In fact, what do you think about the rest of the game?

are you really going to just ignore the fact that he didn't start pushing or expanding on it until other people expressed interest first, and his arguments echoed what those people were already saying?

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I'm talking about the way he went about it

I think the sequence of events you're describing could be good in the abstract, but in this case it looked to me like he was testing the waters and then jumping in echoing what other people had already said

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let us think that Tripod is just a really bad towny

fuck yourself

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Been a long time since I got a good dose of IIoA.

Vote: onion

do you think there's something inherently scummy about what he posted, or is this just a straight IIoA=scum vote?

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do you think there's something inherently scummy about what he posted, or is this just a straight IIoA=scum vote?

That post talks about things that happened in the thread but very few conclusions about them. onion gave all of 2 reads, both of which are not controversial, while avoiding giving any subjective opinion about LlamaFluff or Untrod Tripod, both of whom received a lot of airtime, or anyone else, really.

he definitely gave some subjective opinions about the quality of my play

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I think it's likely that there's at least one scum in the group {Equinox, UT, LlamaFluff, GIF}.

you think it's likely that out of 1/3 of the game, there might be one scum? wow man I dunno that seems pretty unlikely

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Also, I'm operating under the assumption of two scum in the game.

...why?

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that either-or argument is always, has always, and will always be a terrible way to scumhunt

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HA

useful meta. good find.

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that being said, we know almost nothing about this setup, so let's keep the setup speculation to an absolute minimum until we have more info

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we're certainly going to have a lot to talk about after the game, onion

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and why do you care SO MUCH if he answers your questions or not

just vote him and stop being so damn theatrical about this whole thing. the game does not hinge of llama answering your questions.

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or don't

I really don't care

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yeah except literally anyone could have killed CES

he's a well-respected user with an old joindate.

let's just go back to who's acting scummy

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Also Also, i was totally confused about llamafluff and derangement are talking about in my 181 post and i realize that you might be reading it as a breadcrumb or something. it really isn't that, it really is a drunk housemate shenanigan. it really happened and doesn't have anything to do with any power role anyone may or may not have. I mean sure its nice to have people thing i'm town, but yall misinterpreting this is very close to me lying to the town, which isn't pro-town. so yeah. Sorry for the confusion, that isn't the breadcrumb you are looking for.

the implication is that if you were scum, your roommate wouldn't have been looking for scum in the playerlist

it's all WIFOM though and should be ignored

on the other hand, Llama prooooooooooobably wouldn't want to clear you if he was scum?

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what's the upshot to scum of trying to take someone out of the mislynch pool?

re: onion
I think you should ALWAYS assume that people can think of something like that

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I'm saying it's an observation I see much more likely as coming from TOWN than SCUM

it affects my read of Llama, not necessarily my read of onion

do you get what I'm saying?

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Whether he believes it 100% or not, it's an observation I can much more easily see coming from town than scum

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So yes, I don't have to share his opinion to share his motivations

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I'm saying it's an observation I see much more likely as coming from TOWN than SCUM

it affects my read of Llama, not necessarily my read of onion

do you get what I'm saying?

Not really. What if onion is scum?

that's why it's all WIFOM and we should ignore it

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there is at least one town-aligned player who has this idea in their heads that they don't need to explain their votes when they make them

yeah, you don't have to, actually

you need to chill

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are you actually just a mastin alt, onion?

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pro town just means it advances a town wincon

antitown just means it hinders a town wincon

that's literally all it means

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onion does the long posts and wonky theory arguments though

derangement doesn't act like mastin imo

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not acting like mastin is a good thing

mastin is lovely, but we only need ONE

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are you trying to do that thing where you repeat something over and over again until it becomes accepted fact

putting someone at L-1 on D1 REALLY is not that big of a deal, you are making a mountain out of a molehill

setting town up to take a major hit

self-flattery is a good way to set YOURSELF up to get fooled

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"you can never be that sure about things D1" which while ironically not true in a night start game

oh really

tell me about all those associated reads we have re: CES

I'll wait

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you are so fucking obnoxious, onion

I love it

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(that was 100% serious. promise)

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CDB lurks

it's not necessarily alignment indicative

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I actually have no idea

town, if I had to guess?

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given the fact that Untrod Tripod's name has a fancy colour

I'm a discussion mod, not a list mod

don't assume that just because people have colored names that means they're good at mafia (Llama and GiF are, though)

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I will move my vote to him in 24 hours unless he posts something of substance in that time period.

why are you bothering to vote for prawneater when you're expressing an interest to vote for Marquis with the game in its current state?

I'm not necessarily scumreading you, but that point reaaaaaaaaaaaally feels like coaching

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I have a question for both of you and for anyone else who agrees with these posts. Scum will try to do pro-town stuff because it makes them look more townie and thus they are less likely to get lynched, right? Well what's the townie's motivation to do anti-town stuff? If you can't answer that, then why, for all intents and purposes, should "anti-town" be treated any differently to "scummy"?

the day lasts longer than this page. the game lasts longer than this day.

you've got to play the long game, son, or skilled mafia will be able to string you along

having only the information of one town player on D1 and presuming to know exactly what "advances a town wincon" is a LOSING proposition. you know far less than you think you do. pound that into your head if you want to get better at this game.

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let me expand on this point, actually, because that's a little opaque:

there is very little black-and-white information in this game. for anyone who doesn't draw an investigative role, your mod confirmed information is dead player flips. that's it. guard yourself from spin and bullshit.

the argument that "this vote advances a scum wincon" when you don't know any of the alignments of players involved is flawed because YOU HAVE NO INFORMATION (unless you're scum and Llama isn't (one of?) your partner(s)). all you have is spin. of course, if you're scum you're not going to come out and say "this is a town vote on a town player and I know this because I know everyone's alignment barring 3rd party bullshit", which really raises my hackles when I hear people expressing CERTAINTY about alignments, because either they don't know and are being dumb, or they're scum.

anyway, nice wallpost

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So since my last post, I've become conflicted on Untrod Tripod. On the one hand, I like how he tries to get people to explain themselves On the other hand, first he was terrible at explaining himself, then he got slightly better, but only slightly. I still don't believe there was any pro-town method behind the L-1 vote madness we had in the beginning and, given the fact that Untrod Tripod's name has a fancy colour, I can't believe that he's just an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing. The most generous interpretation I can come up with for it is that he's a smart guy who was having an off moment and he's too pompous to admit that placing that vote was a bad move.

And yet, it could be worse.

I already expressed distaste about post 139 by prawneater, stating that the bunch of unexplained statements was part of a pattern of not explaining things. He's still only about as good at explaining things as the current Untrod Tripod, but unlike Untrod Tripod, prawneater has made only a token effort to get other people to explain themselves. It's as if he doesn't want stuff to be explained. As if he'd prefer a game where the town doesn't share reasoning among its members so that nobody can really get a feel for anyone's motivation. Which is a great climate for scum and a horrible one for town!

also, a player didn't start getting into the swing of the game and poking at other players until there was actual arguments and motivations to shift through? I can't imagine the reason why....

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side note, I like to split my big posts up into chunks of oneish thought each because I've seen waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many players completely ignore the contents of big posts and I just don't feel like requoting myself or writing RTFT all the time

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I mean

we could lynch onion so we don't have to read his posts anymore?

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well that's certainly a more polite way of saying what I was trying to say earlier

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people love to indulge in meta questions like that

ime when people ask that it's so they can get reassurance from someone else that the lurking is more than just lurking

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unvote

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vote Marquis

post or perish

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I Have No Time and I Must Lurk

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PUT DOWN A VOTE OR A READS LIST OR SOMETHING

GOD FUCKING DAMN

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I'm not sure which bit you two are asking about. Is it me placing the vote on prawneater, me being willing to move the vote to Marquis given certain circumstances, or me announcing that I would move my vote to Marquis in those circumstances?

If it's the vote on prawneater, I viewed him as the scummiest player at the time and I already said why.
If it's being willing to move the vote to Marquis, his lack of substance and his failed promises were iffy up to that point, but it would require him failing to make good on another promise for me to view him as the scummiest player. With the exception of my initial random vote on onion, my vote has always been on the player I think is scummiest and I don't have enough of a reason to change that.
If it's me announcing my intention to move my vote to Marquis, it's partly because I was talking about the reads I was getting on certain people and my vote is relevant to my reads, and partly because I wanted to know if Marquis was actually going to be helpful and I figured applying some pressure would help me find out. I'd like to know why you think I should've kept it hidden.

announcing an intention to vote for someone within x number of hours while parking your vote somewhere else "for the time being" is a fairly ineffective way to apply pressure. it either looks like coaching or like you're not actually convinced of your read. If you want to vote someone just do it.

I didn't say ANYTHING about keeping it hidden. I'm saying if you want to pressure someone, use your vote. don't just talk about how you might do it one day.

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it's way more effective to say "I'm voting for you now, talk me into taking my vote off" than it is to say "I'm gonna vote you if you don't say something I like!!!"

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if you would consider marquis, you could

I dunno

hammer him

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I actually would like an onion bubs lynch today to be perfectly honest, but people who play like marquis is doing here piss me the fuck off

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this game is 14 pages, marquis

get it together

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its impossible to tell which ones aren't useless

that says a lot about you, frankly

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and i can't believe i'm going to agree with tripod, but he's right about Bub's votes on Prawn and Marquis

hey you know, broken clocks and whatnot

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its just that voting for prawn in the meantime was strange.

THIS PART IS IMPORTANT

scum (if they're not braindead) knows what a protown agenda looks like, but where they fuck up is how they go about it. these moments of awkwardness are one of the most important ways we can catch them.

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@Tripod, y u want hammer wth 1 week left?

waiting up to the deadline is a great way to get people to pile on a dumb wagon they don't really believe in. if you think you've caught scum you GO FOR THE THROAT

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also wrt to post count: my post total is artificially inflated because I don't make wall posts, I split up my big posts into one thought each. if I were posting like everyone else I'd probably have somewhere around the number you settled on, maybe even a bit less than average.

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why not marquis?

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Unvote

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Marquis

Fucking post or my vote moves back to you

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Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice

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Ps THAT POST COULD HAVE BEEN SOME READS BUT IT WAS JUST MORE GODDAMN EXCUSES

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Now, lets add in Tripod's known anti-town, unreliable behavior. it indicates that he might L-1 someone for the lolz

you have added jack fucking shit to this game other than logical symbol obfuscation

shut the fuck up

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it's getting really old that you go out of your way to insult my abilities in every goddamn post you make

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you really need to get over yourself and realize there's more ways to play this game than just your narrow interpretation of what is "pro town"

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your buddying offer has been: accepted

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I'm starting to share your interest in lynching prawneater

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in fact

vote: prawneater

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looks like you're more upset about the means than the end :3

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Also, Tripod, is your forum signature about Llamafluff, or about a different llama?

it's a GoT reference...

sick vote, btw, bro

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that was a shitty vanity vote and you should feel bad

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no it doesn't (which is why the whole OH NO UT PUT SOMEONE AT L1 thing is incredibly fucking stupid)

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I accepted his buddying offer, can't vote him now sorry

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in over my head here. need to learn from my mistakes.

replace me out, please.

bye

thanks for giving it a shot

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Prawn likes Tripod, because Tripod said he liked Derangement? Where was this exactly? are you talking about 049 because its pretty sarcastic. Do you put no stock in Tripod actually wanting to lynch Llama back in the day? he even requested hammer...

reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I guess

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don't do that, NJAC

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wait

can we finally do this?

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UT

Why are you voting prawn, UT?

This can now be an open question, by the way.

I don't like the way he's arguing with llama (nor the way he is ONLY arguing with llama)

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what exactly are you HOPING would happen

it's not like he's going to claim scum
it's not like he's going to claim a PR
it's not like if he says "yep I'm a VT" anyone will change their read

you're literally just rolefishing

unvote vote onion

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prawn

bus your buddy

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sup sns

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you really need to get over yourself and realize there's more ways to play this game than just your narrow interpretation of what is "pro town"

i provide post links because that's what i do, if you haven't noticed. i don't try to trick people into acting scummy, because that backfires too much. instead, i try to make people act pro-town, which makes them easier to notice if they are scum or not. giving people full information is a way to make them act pro-town when they are lazy.

This is an example of your unbelievable rigidity on 'how things are done' getting in the way of anything getting done. You've parked a god-awful vote on UT because he doesn't conform to your strict standards of pro-town behaviour, and now you say that you provided helpful links 'because that's what you do' when it would clearly be

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more illuminating for NJAC to give an instinctual response without useful aids, so that we could contrast his behaviour to his predecessor's more transparently. This is obviously anti-town and I presume, given your well-documented objections to such behaviour, that you will be voting for yourself momentarily.

In post 375, Untrod Tripod wrote:you really need to get over yourself and realize there's more ways to play this game than just your narrow interpretation of what is "pro town"


I actually agree with this.

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let me just offer a counterpoint to the sns wagon:

if we lynch onion, we won't have to read his posts anymore!

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but holy fucking goddamn jesus, sns, that was a cringey series of posts

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...that was aimed at onion, not you...

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Personally, I haven't read an onion post since page 7 and I'm getting along just fine!

maybe you should have, because some of them were pretty scum

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trying to out PRs is not superficial

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Don't be a drama queen.

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...do you mean the rolefishing, or are you asking me to quote literally every time he's insulted me?

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or are you asking for the flawed theory, because you could just read his ISO for that.

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hi NJAC, we recieved a roleclaim from your former slot owner already, so it would be a good idea to get one from you as well. his roleclaim can be found in post 347. will you roleclaim?

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...what part of this are you not getting?

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I'm really not buying that it's anything other than "your predecessor claimed VT, would you like to amend that to a power role"

why the fuck would you even ask unless you thought you could find a power role? it's not like he was going to say scum, and if you thought the VT claim was true you would just leave it alone.

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I'm actually pretty excited about reading this

if you weren't intending to be deep before, this should be amazing

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I'm pretty much thinking it's gonna be a llama lynch because that's what we'll actually have the votes for

and I'm fairly okay with that

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We are not lynching onion because of the whole three scum + what their friend apparently told him. Even if he was scum I really doubt he had the idea to post that in thread to apparently fake town slip or something

so...because wifom

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there's a little strange caveat in this because often the power roles don't count towards the number of townies alive to prevent scum victory

may I just ask

gently

where this idea came from

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@Tripod for example, look at the cop wikipage here:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop
at the bottom is a sample PM role. it says "and there is at least one town player alive." that means if the scum kill all the VTs, they win, even if there's a cop alive. least i assume that's what that means. is that what that means? i'm confused.

that's not what it means. town power roles are members of the town, thus would qualify as that one member.

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like for example if the game has an sk, and it got down to 1 town 1 sk 1 mafia, the town would lose even if they lynched mafia because they would get endgammed by the sk. that's why the wincon is written the way it is.

anyway

unvote vote llama

I'm a big fan of your walls. remind me about them if I start voting for you again

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the answer to that is no....

have you never played mafia before?

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what I'm really curious about is how you could have possibly thought that was true

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I can basically guarantee that Prawn is going to be lynched today

saying things like this make me want to lynch the person who said it

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Also PJ using a SK? Im pretty sure I remember him not liking third party roles. Nah this is all weak PRs and probably two scum. Im almost surprised town has as much as we do.

couple things

first of all, I didn't say we had an sk and I wasn't trying to do the setup spec thing, I was just giving an example involving an sk for why the standard town wincon is worded the way it is

second, >_>

seriously?

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quasi-confirmed townie

the only confirmation you ever get is when the mod says "this player is town/scum"

get the rest of it out of your head because it doesn't exist

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LF/Prawn/TTH scumteam???????????????

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aye aye capn

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You just going to skirt everything really going on here? And you seriously think there are three scum?

everything? what everything? you claimed tracker with no results to go with. good for you. your proposed plan was real dumb, btw, if it was an actual plan coming from town. I have no earthly idea what you hoped to "confirm" from that.

and no. the question marks should have been a clue.

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I can see enough of a pattern to Llama's posts that he's at least had this in mind for a little while, regardless of the strength of the heat on him, it's such a godawful plan that I have to give him enough credit to say that he surely wouldn't be banking on it like this as town. It just doesn't sit right with me, like too many things about Llama in this game. He remains my preferred lynch.

I dunno man

I've seen some people have *really* wonky theories about what information results are valuable

he might genuinely think that's a town mindset

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it should be pretty clear from that post that I think he's scum?

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I mean yeah I'd rather have a lynch than a no lynch, but I'm not jumping ship until I have to

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town doesn't have to think of a town mindset

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the only way I can interpret it that makes sense is "I have a cop guilty on prawn"

I'm not sure scum tracker makes sense, but d1 mini game setup spec is dumb etc.

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I mean, I think it's more likely that he'd try to pass off his scum ability as a town ability since it could go either way? instead of just making it up.

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the only way I can interpret it that makes sense is "I have a cop guilty on prawn"

He claimed one-shot, and is proposing we use his ability tonight, so that can't be the case.

nah, I meant how he was acting before the actual claim. when he was just soft-claiming an info role

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I mean

we could to njac I guess

I just would strongly prefer llama

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unvote vote NJAC

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let's be done with this godawful day

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WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO TRACK SCUM TO A DEAD PLAYER

NOT TRACKING A PLAYER TO NOWHERE

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okay clearly this is a theory point that I'm just missing completely

explain to me why confirming that someone went nowhere is better than confirming that someone went somewhere

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or a doctor

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but point taken

that just seems like a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal cute maneuver to me

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Usually they get met by a bit of a freakout too because of how counterintuitive they are.

mission accomplished

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in all seriousness though you definitely know a lot more about how to use the Normal roles so I'm going to just cede to you given your explanation

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Shh

Llama. Results.

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Why on earth would you track me

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no one cares about your prickwaving dickfight

shh

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Why on earth would you track me

LLAMA

PLS

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Prawn is a liar, hypocrite, tunnels, and hasn't done ANY scum hunting since he's been here. "Really?" you ask? Yes, read above.

I come down on your side of the fence though, just btw

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Because I saw what I figured was an accidental VT claim that also used a type of tell I really doubt people would buy into because its odd.

show me

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I would have said that regardless of alignment or role, actually. it's more indicative of "understanding mafia" than it is "a vt softclaim"

you'll note I'm not confirming VT as my role

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I am vla so plz b patient for me to comment more fully

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or maybe your entire set of assumptions is flawed from the outset

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oh yeah and Tripod, please confirm. please tell us, clearly, if you did or did not visit someone last night.

I did not visit anyone

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hey girls

I'm baaaaaaaack

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I think it would be hypocritical of me to scumread someone for lurking

that being said lynching sns is something I could get behind

Llama is no odder than he has been, and I find his arguments somewhat reasonable? I don't know. at a certain point I feel like we need to just lynch him so we can learn something.

I'm really fucking tired of reading the arguments, because I don't feel like we're ever going to learn anything from them. it's all wifom and theory.

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that's pretty much where I stand

Llama, onion, sns

I want one of them to hang today. I honestly don't care that much which one.

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prawn

sorry

it's been a while

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also I'm scumreading TTH

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Scum tracker is a thing

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Tripod's known anti-win-con antic

I am getting incredibly fucking tired of reading shit like this

stop going out of your way to insult me

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like, there are people in the game who have said "oh I just stopped reading onion's posts because he's a derp"

and I'm not going to do that because it's pretty against the spirit of the game to behave in that way

but start acting like an adult instead of a petulant goddamn child

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have you people never played mafia before

what is the confusion about BASIC VOTING MECHANICS

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great

that's fun for your replacement

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sigh

vote sns

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I'm open to a TTH wagon as well

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I'm game to lynch onion, to be perfectly honest

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if only so I no longer have to read his posts

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in fact

FUCK IT

unvote, vote: onion

let's do it

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Derangement

we can only lynch one person at a time

stop this foolishness

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caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan we lynch onion now and stop pussyfooting around

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caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan we lynch onion now and stop pussyfooting around


No.

counterpoint: yes!

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I don't like your flippant attitude this game

you'll live

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GC

we are never on the same page

why are we on the same page this game

it's really weirding me out that you're arriving at exactly my reads

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oh, thanks for reminding me

I was trying to not get nightkilled

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onion, llama

can we come together and bus your buddy TTH?

I really want to lynch her and she's kind of my under the radar scumread

can we make it happen?

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derangement

there should be nothing she can say to move you

fuck it I'll go first

unvote vote: TTH

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GC

we are never on the same page

why are we on the same page this game

it's really weirding me out that you're arriving at exactly my reads

I think it's more you're arriving at GC's reads.

...are you high

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sweet. that works too.

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oh ffs

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TTH, prawn, onion

dats my lynch pool