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[Drezi]

for pisskop bringing up soft

I don't see why any town would bring forth a

possible

soft-claim when such person hasn't died yet
It's scum's job to hunt for PRs, it's town's job to hunt for scum.
Unvote
Vote: pisskop

while

248 and 241 together in such quick succession is softclaiming IC to me.

no mention of this and townread?

Also there was no mention of croboss in your reads before, can you share your thoughts now wrt that whole debate around him?

[pisskop]

Meh. That wasn't bad.

Finding townslips is different because scum can't predict people's movements, town notices such things much more easily.

Townslips can be retractred; especially when they are qualified with uncertain words. i.e:

IRT second part: This could be a townslip.

All giving somebody a townslip is in early game is is the equivalent of a smile and handshake. It means little to say somebody is may be townslipping. The very nature of 'slipping' requires and implies faulty play.
. I make points to praise others for their 'towny' posts as scum, and I know others do as well. This idea that House is town because he said nice things to people is ludicrous.
House has, as explained earlier, a style that is purposely obfuscating; making simply reading him at face value silly.

I'm not gonna go into more depth about it, but you trying to point out possible soft claims instead of letting them go doesn't help town, helps scum instead. When someone has died and then people wonder the "why" they died is when town goes look for soft/hard-claims PR-slips, etc.

pisskop strikes me as itching to get a claim out of me to confirm what he may have perceived as a soft claim earlier.

. Disclaimer: House's play involves poor town choices and gambits. If he is going to use his implied 'soft claim' to push a scumread of me on the town then he is going to have to substantiate it further. I would as soon PL a townie who would fake soft claim to get a lynch than not.

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Do you have more on Acryon? I don't disagree with your assessment of it.
Is your CD/Reminiscence read independent of Acryon or whatever read you have on me?

[pisskop]

Oh. Also, if you have experience with NJAC; what's your opinion thus far?

[Sakura Hana]

for pisskop bringing up soft

I don't see why any town would bring forth a

possible

soft-claim when such person hasn't died yet
It's scum's job to hunt for PRs, it's town's job to hunt for scum.
Unvote
Vote: pisskop

while

248 and 241 together in such quick succession is softclaiming IC to me.

no mention of this and townread?

Also there was no mention of croboss in your reads before, can you share your thoughts now wrt that whole debate around him?

I must have missed that through my readthrough and ISOing, i thought back then most of the discussion about setup spec was meh so i skimmed it.
Haven't checked croboss yet I've been half busy yesterday and will be busy today since i have some friends coming over, I promise i'll make one by tomorrow (real life) tho!

Townslips can be retractred; especially when they are qualified with uncertain words. i.e:

IRT second part: This could be a townslip.

All giving somebody a townslip is in early game is is the equivalent of a smile and handshake. It means little to say somebody is may be townslipping. The very nature of 'slipping' requires and implies faulty play.
. I make points to praise others for their 'towny' posts as scum, and I know others do as well. This idea that House is town because he said nice things to people is ludicrous.
House has, as explained earlier, a style that is purposely obfuscating; making simply reading him at face value silly.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5862595 Well here you can find a nice example of finding townslips (It also made me reverse my read on talah on that game).
Why am I even arguing with you about this is beyond me tho, this is just a single point out of all i mentioned about House, it feels like you're trying to strawman me just like acryon did to Dooku.

Do you have more on Acryon? I don't disagree with your assessment of it.

Still looks scummy to me.

Is your CD/Reminiscence read independent of Acryon or whatever read you have on me?

Yes, as it's too early to make associations, specially without any flips, so all of my reads are independent of each other.

[Sakura Hana]

ftr tho, most of my reads from a readthrough are usually pretty weak, im better at forming reads from interaction rather than just simply reading the game that happened before i replaced in.

[Lalendra]

@Reminiscence - What do you make of your predecessor's play? Why do you think he reacted the way he did? If it had been you, what would you have done/said differently?

I haven't read the whole thing but town.

I'm not sure what this means - are you saying his play was towny, or just claiming that the spot is town? I definitely can't agree with the first, and don't much agree with the second.

I think i know the reason but I will refrain from explaining.

Is there anything you can say about it, without giving anything away? (Btw, the fact that you're refraining from explaining tells me that your slot is either PR or scum, and I am more inclined to believe the latter.)

First of all I wouldn't have let people lynch me. I am kinda glad that he didn't threw the game and replaced out.

I mean in a perfect world, none of us would let ourselves get lynched. So you feel that he hasn't yet thrown the game for you/your slot? How do you plan to reverse people's reads on this slot as being scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Btw, the fact that you're refraining from explaining tells me that your slot is either PR or scum

... this game ....

[Sakura Hana]

Seems like everyone in this game is just derp so i might be wrong about pisskop, so i'll go back to acryon!

Unvote
Vote: acryon

[VictorDeAngelo]

I can't be bothered to read lot's of replacements catching up so I'm just to skim read the last pages. If I miss a question or something, don't be offended.

Hello hello!

I'll catch up and post something in my pace.
We still have 11 days.

Please don't take 11 days. If Rach could catchup/replace out then I would simply call for this Day to end already.

Hey Reminisce, why are voting Death for something that happened on page 1 at point in the Day? Do you really expect that after you read the remainder of the game to this point that post will be the scummiest thing you read?

Hey, Sakura, did you notice the wagon on Dooku, and the nonwagon on Acryon before 595?

[pisskop]

I could go back onto Acryon.

Acryon

I kinda gave up on that the moment I hit resistance :-\ . Shame on me.

[pisskop]

vote: Acryon

[Sakura Hana]

Hey, Sakura, did you notice the wagon on Dooku, and the nonwagon on Acryon before 595?

Yes i did.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway, that (or rather this) will be the last post i will have time to make today, maybe i'll have time to post something tonight before i sleep, otherwise i'll be back tomorrow morning.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.13

Reminiscence - 5 - VictorDeAngelo, Lalendra, Riabi, House, Metalcyanide
acryon - 2 - Sakura Hana, pisskop
Metalcyanide - 2 - SIR CYANIDE, Drezi
Sakura Hana - 2 - NJAC, Reminiscence
SIR CYANIDE - 1 - acryon

Not Voting: RachMarie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-02-24 12:47:44)

V/LA: acryon, through Monday February 16

Spoiler:

Hint: Not a cat

[Lalendra]

Seems like everyone in this game is just derp so i might be wrong about pisskop, so i'll go back to acryon!

Unvote
Vote: acryon

Tell me why I'm derp then.

[House]

All giving somebody a townslip is in early game is is the equivalent of a smile and handshake. It means little to say somebody is may be townslipping. The very nature of 'slipping' requires and implies faulty play.
. I make points to praise others for their 'towny' posts as scum, and I know others do as well. This idea that House is town because he said nice things to people is ludicrous.

House has, as explained earlier, a style that is purposely obfuscating; making simply reading him at face value silly.

This is a prime example of scum saying nice things to town for a townread. I rather liked that he picked up on that from my playstyle, but it doesn't counter my scumread of him. I could see why some people could be swayed by it, though.

I'm not gonna go into more depth about it, but you trying to point out possible soft claims instead of letting them go doesn't help town, helps scum instead. When someone has died and then people wonder the "why" they died is when town goes look for soft/hard-claims PR-slips, etc.

pisskop strikes me as itching to get a claim out of me to confirm what he may have perceived as a soft claim earlier.

. Disclaimer: House's play involves poor town choices and gambits. If he is going to use his implied 'soft claim' to push a scumread of me on the town then he is going to have to substantiate it further. I would as soon PL a townie who would fake soft claim to get a lynch than not.

I love how he continues to ignore my wall case on him.

[Metalcyanide]

Seems like everyone in this game is just derp so i might be wrong about pisskop, so i'll go back to acryon!

Unvote
Vote: acryon

Tell me why I'm derp then.

Must resist sarcasm response

[Nobody Special]

Riabi has been prodded.

[Riabi]

Shit, sorry. Didn't realize it had been that long since I posted.

I gotta say, I'm kinda confused about what appears to be an attempt to get a wagon going on acryon. Can someone maybe help me understand why we would wagon him right now?

[House]

Shit, sorry. Didn't realize it had been that long since I posted.

I gotta say, I'm kinda confused about what appears to be an attempt to get a wagon going on acryon. Can someone maybe help me understand why we would wagon him right now?

So, not even a claim of r/l interfering? Just an admission that you have basically been avoiding posting?

FoS Riabi

[Riabi]

So, not even a claim of r/l interfering? Just an admission that you have basically been avoiding posting?

FoS Riabi

Not avoiding it. Just a matter of I was doing other things, and this site sort of just didn't cross my mind.

[pisskop]

I may note be able to respond regularly or in-depth within the next day or two, what with the holiday and the snowstorm tonight.

[NJAC]

V/LA until Monday night

[Nobody Special]

Searching for a replacement for RachMarie.

[Nobody Special]

Nachomamma8 replaces RachMarie effective immediately.