Mini 1648: Mafia in the Noose Factory. (Game Over)

[pisskop]

You guys realize I was the first one on Zebulin, right? And I can't

actually

hammer...come on now. Haha.

I fully expect him to.

[MonkeyMan576]

You guys realize I was the first one on Zebulin, right? And I can't

actually

hammer...come on now. Haha.

That's not the issue, the issue is that you are promoting the hammer.

[Zebulin]

?????

I'm not claiming, and the reason is that claims Day 1 when the claimee's not actually going to be lynched is horrible strategy for town. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... o_Claiming

Seriously, why is a claim early such a good thing? If I claim VT then nothing is gained and scum have less targets to NK and I I claim a power role then I might not get lynched, but scum DEFINITELY have a nightkill.

BBT: Why is a claim now a good thing?

Slandaar has a point; if we want everyone to claim then we should just massclaim.

[Zebulin]

I mean, if someone is actually, seriously going to hammer me then I'll claim, but just throwing out an intent to hammer to get a claim isn't helping anyone.

[Boonskiies]

No one's going to hammer you at this point, Zeb. Don't claim.

unvote

It was my RVS vote.

[pisskop]

BBT, How often do you actual extract a claim? I've only seen it done in older games online.

[Ponystar17]

I am bothered by BBT trying to get a claim out of Zeb - that in itself is odd (in that early claims are often anti-town and only aid scum in PR-hunting) but it's not as bothering as the fact that he outright admits it. Look at Zeb's reaction. You can't force someone to claim by saying you're pushing for a claim, not a lynch - it destroys the pressure of being at L-1. Is this just a poor excuse from BBT to try and avoid responsibility if Zeb flips town? There are plenty of pro-town reasons for not wanting to claim, as Zeb pointed out. I'm not saying that Zeb is necessarily town - this doesn't really affect my view of him - but BBT's stated intent to force a claim seems very fishy to me. Care to share your reasons, BBT? I'm hoping you have a better excuse than "I was PR-hunting", because that's blatant scumminess.
UNVOTE: Zebulin
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
To clarify, Zeb is far from off the hook in terms of suspicion for me, but I think the issues with BBT are what needs to be brought to peoples' attention.

PS: I don't think Zeb is likely to PR-claim all game (except if he actually thinks he's about to be lynched), due to the fact that his actions at the start of the game only make sense as VT or scum. Any roleclaim from him is going to be met with instant suspicion, at least by me and I hope by others.

PPS: I would just like to mention that House hasn't posted in the thread yet.

[Boonskiies]

To be fair, one of the last games we finished, we had a talk about pushing someone to L-1 and forcing a claim early game. I think it's just BBT trying something new.

[Cheery Dog]

Vote Count 1.02

Zebulin: (4) Luca Blight, BlueBloodedToffee, pisskop, ploben
BlueBloodedToffee: (1) Ponystar17
pisskop: (1) Always Mafia
MonkeyMan576: (2) Slandaar, tip
Boonskiies: (3) Zebulin, randommidget, MonkeyMan576

Not Voting: House, Boonskiies

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-08 19:53:20)

Mod Notes:

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Zebulin
I don't like the fact that he's trying to bring up someone else's meta this early in the game. Possible reasons why:
a) He actually, genuinely wants to warn us that he thinks Boonskiies is completely insane as VT, and the town is better off if he's lynched, regardless of alignment. Possible but seems unlikely when Boonskiies hasn't done anything to warrant the meta-warning yet.
b) Zebulin is scum and wishes to encourage a lynch of Boonskiies, who he knows is town.
c) They're both scum and he was trying to provide an excuse for any later mistakes by Boon.
d) I'm overanalyzing random chatter from this stage of the game.
All of these are possible. Personally, I suspect Zebulin because he seems outright manipulative already - he's trying to affect how we look at Boonskiies when we've barely even started.

Also, a point to do with your post that confused me, Zeb: wouldn't tunneling him because you think he's anti-town produce the same negative result as it did in that previous game, since a town-flip by him would inevitably implicate you? If you're both town again, that's two mislynches.

Boon is completely insane. Shouldn't lynch him because of it.

Yet, rando is voting me? Hmm...

[Boonskiies]

I messed up on the quoting...haha. Rando's the one who said the bolded line in response to Pony.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Boon: You are agreeing that you're insane and we should lynch you for saying scummy things?

[Boonskiies]

Haha, no. but I pointed out his defending of the idea of me being lynched, yet he's voting me.

[pisskop]

vote:boonskiies

Llama.

[Randomnamechange]

UNVOTE:
Forgot I was.

[tip]

haha this whole zebulin push-veiled-fish is a fucking joke.

[tip]

blue's playing pretty head-heavily but i'm not interested in lynching him as of now since he's doing an OK job of grinding reactions. also, [hangs neon lights around read], monkeyman - vote him.

[tip]

randomidget's lethe gallery:

VOTE: boonskies
I had forgotten that game zeb -_-
I will also hop to house if a wagon forms. He still scares me.

UNVOTE:
Forgot I was.

more to follow

[Randomnamechange]

VOTE: ploben
joined zeb wagon last

[ploben]

VOTE: ploben
joined zeb wagon last

This is.....a fact!

I thought we were going to out a PR early and I got all excited...seemed like a great idea at the time

/sarcasm

[ploben]

UNVOTE: Zebulin

haha this whole zebulin push-veiled-fish is a fucking joke.

This.

Great start town. Our future looks really bright for this game.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: ploben
joined zeb wagon last

This is.....a fact!

I thought we were going to out a PR early and I got all excited...seemed like a great idea at the time

/sarcasm

You have to use blue text if it's sarcasm.

Right, Zebulin?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rereading.

17 - Zeb, this post implies your vote is random.

20 - However, in this post you're greatly over-explaining your vote. It doesn't seem so random any more. Why did you try to cover this vote under the disguise of RVS?

21 - Always Mafia, (AM) is this vote serious?

23 - Luca, is this vote serious?

24 - RM, is this vote serious?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

31 - The scenarios you present in this post are not worth posting, not to mention some of it makes no sense at all. Why don't you like the fact he (Zeb) is using meta so early? How does that make him scum?

45 - Ploben, you didn't answer my question here. Try again.

Also, you seem to think I am scum here. Why didn't you vote me?

To be honest,

I don't like the insta-bussing Zeb and Boonskies is doing

. Maybe it's my lack of my meta reading (which I'm on the fence about the whole idea anyway) but it's all too convenient for me at the start of this game.

What???

[ploben]

45 - Ploben, you didn't answer my question here. Try again.

I answered your question with a question and then in my post 52 agreed to your fishing expedition, even though, as previously express by others, I think it's a joke and waste of time.

Also, you seem to think I am scum here. Why didn't you vote me?

I don't think you're scum. I just feel your actions were unnecessary. I agree that claiming early is not a good thing.

To be honest,

I don't like the insta-bussing Zeb and Boonskies is doing

. Maybe it's my lack of my meta reading (which I'm on the fence about the whole idea anyway) but it's all too convenient for me at the start of this game.

What???

Zeb and Boon came straight into this game making sure everyone knew they were salty because of a couple games ago. I don't care. In fact, it just looks to me like they are distancing themselves unnecessarily on reasons no one cares about. It stands out to me as suspicious.