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Post Post #4875 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:14 am

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Mafia, SK, and Vig = 3 total possible KpN.
Mafia and SK = 2 total possible KpN.

In post 0, ika wrote:
Pisskop - Maifa Non-consecutive Roleblocker killed night 1
Boonskiies - Town Non-consecutive Doctor killed night 1

Ellie - Town deputy turned cop killed night 2

Mathblade - Town vengeful killed night 3

Nobody Special town Non-consecutive Doctor killed night 4


I see nothing TSO would have to be afraid of in a vig fakeclaim.

Re: the bulletproof and doctor comments, I thought TSO was outright claiming BP, and bulletproof vig makes no sense compared to bulletproof sk. Then he corrected that saying "doctor was on me", which didn't make sense because you shouldn't be informed if a doctor protects you. Rather, you're often informed if you lose a bulletproof shot, and it makes more sense that TSO thinks/is claiming he was shot n3 because he's bulletproof sk (a combination of role + modifier that's practically standard for the role by now).

And a bunch of town power has already flipped. I don't believe a vig exists.

I also don't believe TSO is so confident in his reads after lynching abr, vigging mathblade and restlessly lynching fa_q2 that he can legitimately believe in a scumread on me this hard, much less keep talking about associatives between me and gm alongside that that are contingent on me flipping scum (and because I have to say it even though it should be obvious by now, I won't).
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Post Post #4876 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:16 am

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I see a problem here.
A large problem.

Night 1, Mafia killed - Doctor killed - Cop healed.
= 3 shots.
Night 3, Mathblade killed by T S O Vigilante.

Where the fuck did the SK and Mafia kill go?
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Post Post #4877 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:16 am

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In post 4872, T S O wrote:I mean,
Marquis himself has said
he doesn't mind dying for the scum-TSO cause. This is an excellent way to prove it.


Hey, Marquis, I'm going to bet you're gonna run away from all the promises and empty words you made when you said you dying was okay as long as I died. Are you? Because I can't wait to see people's reactions to that.
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Post Post #4878 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:16 am

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In post 4876, Kitz wrote:I see a problem here.
A large problem.

Night 1, Mafia killed - Doctor killed - Cop healed.
= 3 shots.
Night 3, Mathblade killed by T S O Vigilante.

Where the fuck did the SK and Mafia kill go?


That's been the mystery of this game.
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Post Post #4879 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:17 am

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I don't think scum shot MathBlade n3. So that leads me to think NS blocked that, and I think he was on me. That's why I've been saying I think I was Doc'd n3.
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Post Post #4880 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:18 am

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In post 4876, Kitz wrote:Cop healed


what
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Post Post #4881 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:18 am

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In post 4879, T S O wrote:I don't think scum shot MathBlade n3. So that leads me to think NS blocked that, and I think he was on me. That's why I've been saying I think I was Doc'd n3.


That's 2/3.
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Post Post #4882 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:19 am

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In post 4880, Marquis wrote:
In post 4876, Kitz wrote:Cop healed


what


Vikingfan = Cop, claimed RB'd and Healed.
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Post Post #4883 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:19 am

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In post 4676, goodmorning wrote:Let's be real. If I were Scum, we'd have targeted you and only you until you died.


What if this is partly true? Not every night, but gm's team did, at some stage, attempt to kill me?
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Post Post #4884 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:20 am

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Because it fits perfectly with goodmorning's scum motivation, and it explains n3 perfectly.
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Post Post #4885 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:20 am

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lmfao

i'm ok with dying if there's absolutely no other option sure

but there is one here and why would i pass up on 1) not having yet another mislynch 2) lynching scum 3) gaining towncred for lynching scum 4) the chance to get nightkilled instead of lynched 5) anything other than the uncertainty that people won't just forget about you once i'm out of the game
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Post Post #4886 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:21 am

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In post 4882, Kitz wrote:
In post 4880, Marquis wrote:
In post 4876, Kitz wrote:Cop healed


what


Vikingfan = Cop, claimed RB'd and Healed.


oh my god what

that's not normal what the fuck
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Post Post #4887 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:22 am

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In post 4886, Marquis wrote:
In post 4882, Kitz wrote:
In post 4880, Marquis wrote:
In post 4876, Kitz wrote:Cop healed


what


Vikingfan = Cop, claimed RB'd and Healed.


oh my god what

that's not normal what the fuck


Congratulations, you just figured out why all of early game was a clusterfuck.
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Post Post #4888 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:22 am

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Just a curious thing.
Why T S O over Wolf?

Do you ever see it possible to lynch Wolf?
Nope. Free townie roaming about.

The vig thing is way too transparrent and there's some others who had more vigi crumbs.
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Post Post #4889 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:24 am

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i'm going to do a dive.

nobody gets lynched until we have everyone back here and commenting on this claim. i fucking mean it
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Post Post #4890 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:26 am

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In post 4889, Marquis wrote:

nobody gets lynched until we have everyone back here and commenting on this claim. i fucking mean it

^^^^^^^^
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Post Post #4891 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:38 am

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I already commented on the claim.
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Post Post #4892 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:30 pm

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I'm not the vig.
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Post Post #4893 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:32 pm

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Then why the hell are there three kills
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Post Post #4894 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:43 pm

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Honestly TSO, I think it would be pretty easy for you to fake that claim, just kill whoever town tells you to kill, and just coast to the end like that.

Like if you kill who we say you're still getting your kill off, it doesn't matter to you
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Post Post #4895 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:44 pm

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In post 4893, Aeronaut wrote:Then why the hell are there three kills


We've been trying to figure that out since the beginning of the game. Boon was killed, VF was shot but protected, pisskop was killed. Pisskop being a vig kill makes sense, VF was RB'd-I'm sure by the mafia and was also attacked-who knows by whom, Boon was killed and again-who knows by whom. One of Boon or VF was likely a mafia kill/attempt but the other one-who the hell knows? Second scum team? SK? If so, why only one kill a night since then? Did NS block every kill? Is there a BP out there. Does vig have a modifier (don't answer this, it's just speculation)

Who the hell knows?
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Post Post #4896 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:45 pm

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I know you really cant defend that but I just don't believe there's that many power roles in this setup.

P-edit: yea
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Post Post #4897 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:46 pm

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In post 4888, Kitz wrote:Just a curious thing.
Why T S O over Wolf?

Do you ever see it possible to lynch Wolf?
Nope. Free townie roaming about.


WTF are you talking about?
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Post Post #4898 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:49 pm

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SW one a scale of 1-10 how much do you believe this claim as of right now?
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Post Post #4899 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:52 pm

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In post 4897, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4888, Kitz wrote:Just a curious thing.
Why T S O over Wolf?

Do you ever see it possible to lynch Wolf?
Nope. Free townie roaming about.


WTF are you talking about?


Pretty much this, Kitz, no idea what this means.

In post 4894, Aeronaut wrote:Honestly TSO, I think it would be pretty easy for you to fake that claim, just kill whoever town tells you to kill, and just coast to the end like that.

Like if you kill who we say you're still getting your kill off, it doesn't matter to you


Aero, I know you're paranoid as shit of me. I really do. But I'm town here. Literally, every single piece of evidence, every action that happened in this game, is staring you in the face right now and screaming that I'm town with this game figured out. The missing kill on n3. The crumbs. Marquis doubtcasting the shit out of my claim. It's all there.
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