New York 180 (Endgame)

[Aeronaut]

Why. Why is he alive

I'll post when I get home today. I feel like he's just scum though.

[Aeronaut]

Actually fuck it

VOTE: ABR

At this point I don't even know what role he's claiming. If he were town, imagine believing any of his results anyway.

[Aeronaut]

I cant* imagine

[Aeronaut]

I leave one day and you rush a lynch. Wake what the heck was that hammer?

I cannot believe vf was telling the truth. That story was bs.

and Ellie was the deputy? WTH! How does her flipping that make us less likely to lynch elusive when she couldn't investigate till vf was dead and had no way of clearing elusive. Those crumbs were absolutely stupid. Is this town a bunch of morons?

we should be looking at abr and wake today imho

Why are you putting blame on everyone else for being on the VF wagon, when you were on it too? That looks to me like your trying to show us how you weren't here for the lynch, so the blood couldn't possibly be on your hands. Then, you try to justify yourself by saying "That story was BS". Seeing the flip, it really was not. This whole opening post was dedicated to trying to clear yourself of any responsibility for yesterday's lynch, even though you spent the whole day pushing it to happen.

Dragonspawn, where is your vote? Why isn't it on ABR?

vote abr

if anything holds true in this game he is probably town.

This should put up a red flag for more people than it has.

I want ABR dead in multiple ways but I don't want town to end until everyone has spoken and made a reads list.

I agree wholeheartedly to this.

Anyway, lynch me if you have to. I tracked Mathblade to Ellie last night.

Ok, you've claimed four different roles at this point. Nobody should be believing this.

I actually think that post is a possible scum slip. He might have just forgot what role he was claiming for a moment, and then just flew with it.

Full reads list upcoming

[Aeronaut]

Finishing up my list, please don't hammer until I do so

[Aeronaut]

I love you Kitz

[Aeronaut]

I don't get why people are including dead people in their lists, we already know their alignment, we don't need your input on if their scum or not.

Mathblade

acryon

: Scum, depending on ABR flip.

Kitz:

Pretty Town. Thinking Kitz is pretty town, just based off of her conversations and inquiries. She seems very organic.

Naked jogger

joker443

: Lean Scum. He doesn't really seem to be paying close attention to the game, and is just kind of voting with the wind. That D1 hammer was also gross.

Shinobi

TheFireRises

: Null. I don't know why, but I keep missing his posts. Not seeing a lot from him either way, I'd like to look at him tomorrow if possible.

Nobody special

croboss

:Null. Hasn't posted since Day 2. Post more.

dragonspawn

:

Scum, for reasons stated above, and I stand by my reasoning on him from day 1; Not a fan of how he sort of got away from a lynch by people saying that "looking scummy is his meta". To be honest, a lot of his posting is reminiscent of the Newbscum I see when I'm ICing newbie games. He needs rope.

SilverWolf:

Null, slight scum read. Starting to wonder here; Day 1, I'd bet money on SW being town, but more in more she's falling from the radar, going with the crowd. Basically, her play style has taken a full 180 this game, and I don't like it. Will be looking further into this matter.

elusive:

Town for reasons I'd like to not point out at this time.

Goodmorning

Grib

:Null. I said I was going to take a look back at grib, and I did. From what I see there, he was starting to look pretty sketchy; however, goodmorning's recent postings have seemed pretty town to me, just based on her having very similar opinions as me (which I know doesn't nessesarily make her town, by any means, but I feel like she's being logical enough for me to not want her lynched.)

Wake88:

Leaning scum. 80% of Wake's posting is complaining about how fast the game is, how he can't get a foothold, he's busy, etc. The other 20% is answering select questions that people ask him.

Ozgin

House

:Null, lurking. Another person who hasn't posted since D2. Please post.

T S O:

Nul. I play with T S O pretty often, but I'm actually having some trouble reading him this game. He's all over the place. Sort of makes me want to go check Masquerade for any similarities.

Cheetory6:

Null, maybe slight town read. Wasn't a fan of the ATE-esque posting going on during D2. Having said that, I also have a bit of reason to town read him because of ~ongoing~

Albert B. Rampage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYp9opLWz5o

FA_Q2:

Uh, Town, I think. Sort of under the radar.

[Aeronaut]

Scum already know who to shoot tho

Hypothetical question :

ABR is lynched.
Who's next?

I think it depends on flip.

I'm assuming he's flipping scum. In that case, I'd saw we look into Dragonspawn or Wake next. Maybe Ogzin too.

If he were to flip town, then for obvious reasons, we lynch Mathblade tomorrow. Actually, I feel like Mathblade could be scum in both scenarios, as the game likely has an SK or another faction at this point.

[Aeronaut]

I did what I did for reasons I thought were good; like Walter White, to some degree. Aeronaut, shut up and eat your cereal young man.

You probably bought that cereal with your drug money >:[

[Aeronaut]

I did what I did...for me...

I liked it. It made me feel alive.

MAH BABY BLUE!

dundundundun

Aero-Please spoiler all future reads lists. TIA

I put dead flips in my reads lists to help ananlyze the overall game state.

Not sure what you expect but I have a ton of posts in this game and was V/LA most of D2.

Why is almost everyone on your list a scumread?

Well, if by almost everyone you mean like five people :/

If Mathblade is sk and is open to direction we don't have to kill her right off.

No, why would we ever do that?

But I may actually of had a reason for asking Aero that question......................................how do you know it was non-essential and odd to me. I might of wanted further clarification on his reads since just about everyone is null or scum and his FA townread/considering he says FA is under the radar seemed weird to me.

So yes, I did have a method to my madness.
.

Ok, then why would you ask the question?

[Aeronaut]

Aero-I asked the question for the reason I stated in my quote.

Yea, I'm not satisfied with that answer, really. Why wouldn't you just ask me to clarify my reads instead of asking me a different question altogether, one that was based on a false statement?

And, to be honest, no, not everyone is null or scum in that pile. I also have 4-5 town reads there. So you're

still

making things up.


P-edit: yea, that.

[Aeronaut]

Anyway, I got the answers I needed.

Thanks

What answers have you gotten?

Because I did not elaborate on FA, yet. And that's what you asked me. So in reality, you've gotten no answers, you just sort of want to end this before you make too much of a scene?

[Aeronaut]

.how do you know it was non-essential and odd to me. I might of wanted further clarification on his reads since just about everyone is null or scum and his FA townread/considering he says FA is under the radar seemed weird to me.

But, to answer this.

1. The part about everyone being either null or scum is false, so I don't really know what to tell you. It says town next to like five people's names.
2. FA townishread is sort of a gut one right now; he simply hasn't done anything I perceive to be scum-motivated, and I generally agree with his logic. Having said that, he hasn't done anything outstanding as a player thus far to really make me fully town read him right now.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, well SW, your readlist has 2 scumreads, and the rest are null or town. Is

THAT

scummy?

[Aeronaut]

I'm honestly going to blacklist Mathblade if she doesn't have some sort of bizarre role modifier

[Aeronaut]

I think MathBlade -did- get tracked to Ellie last night. I think she doesn't want ABR to flip because she knows this is an actual result and if ABR flips Tracker she's dead the next day.

I actually think this is probably the case.

@Aeronaut - Do what you gotta do. I am doing what I think is best for town. I am bizarre and threats do nothing to me for that.

@TSO -- Really? Best lie you can come up with? I am volunteering to die now. So ABR's flip doesn't scare me except I think he is town and don't want to lynch a town PR.

No, you're *saying* that you want us to lynch you, because you know that we won't. In reality, it's possible that you knew that nobody but ABR was going to die today, so you figured you'd ask people to lynch you.. do that they wouldn't.

[Aeronaut]

WHY SHOULD IT BE YOU

[Aeronaut]

You keep saying "lynch me lynch me" but no actual real reasoning why. It makes zero sense.

[Aeronaut]

Sorry math, but you've lost all credibility to me with your play and I just can't understand or get what you are trying to do and therefore I'm not going to be able to listen to you today on lynching you.

Retweet

[Aeronaut]

Why do you think NakedJogger should be lynched? Like give me an updated case on this and why it's better than an ABR lynch.


Also, I love the rainbow. How does one generate that? I'd like to use that for vote counts in my game.

I'll PM you the link. If anyone else would like it feel free to PM me.

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut, ISO NakedJogger.

On day one he spent inordinate trying to tunnel(?) me. He also hammered Klingoncelt and had some sort of breakdown leading him to leave a voice recording.
On day two he has continued trolling and not contributing to the game other than to be a jerk.

Also, what do you think about the reasoning for ABR being town? Do you see any holes in it or?

Also GOOGLE rainbow text generator\maker.

This is my current lynchpool: {ABR, Dragonspawn, NakedJogger, and Wake (although looking at it more, his recent posting about life difficulty is pretty consistent with a lot of other games I've played with him)} in that order.

Here's the thing; I don't get the towncase on ABR. It's based on a ~thing~ he did that Mathblade just can't talk about because of her role which is sketchy in itself. I get that town can lie, but just the way he went about it just seems way too easy of a way to scum to get by. I've never played with him before, but he strikes me as someone who does this sort of thing as scum, but understands how important it is to use a role effectively as town, and therefore wouldn't do this.

I do agree with your points on NJ, but I really think that Dragonspawn is worse. What are your thoughts on him and his posting?

[Aeronaut]

I really disagree.

[Aeronaut]

I really disagree.

With?

With the notion that Dragon is town


P-edit: yea

[Aeronaut]

Can I just say I have my reasons for now or?.............................................

I'm fine with that. Would it be fair for you to share them with us tomorrow, though?

[Aeronaut]

Phone posting, would still rather Dragon be lynched TBH. Will read up this afternoon

[Aeronaut]

Can I just say I have my reasons for now or?.............................................

I'm fine with that. Would it be fair for you to share them with us tomorrow, though?

Sounds reasonable.

Silver, I'd like you to answer this now.

Thank God.
VOTE: elusive

Policy lynch

I don't really feel like you're in the position to be making joke-votes.

How I feel about that:
I'll return to my initial vote outside of ABR / MB influence.
VOTE: NJ

Can you link your original reasoning for NJ?

Vote: NakedJogger

This seems pretty bizarre to me seeing you didn't even post one time for all of yesterday.

unvote]

Alright JK, wtf. Jeez, did scum cheat us out of our sense of humor as well, cmon. What's the case on me anyway? Derptroll's tunnelvision doesn't make me scum. Pisskop obvdefense doesn't make me scum. I was on the viking wagon so fucking what.. that claim was improbable at best. I hammered Klingon, who could've been scum, so I don't have to die and leave no useful information behind, since nobody really cared to argument their vote.

This is the time to let bygones be bygones and lynch some scum. As for defending myself anyone want any questions answered I'm all ears.

Again, I don't understand why you're sitting here making jokes instead of sharing your thoughts on the game state. Even in this post, all you're doing is defending yourself and saying why you're not scum, but not actually saying anything about anybody else.

Zzzzz. ABR probably lying about Math is just like the icing on the cake. I'm pretty sad with this game right now
I'm pretty okay with an NJ lynch, but it would almost entirely be on policy of I will be sad if he's scum and he's just sitting back and watching us all be fucking dumb. I'm happy to throw my vote there if that's what everyone wants to do, but I'm legitimately almost 100% convinced that TSO is scum based on how he handled ABR last cycle.

He spent a long time in this game trying to established that this was definitely ABR's towngame. Let's follow the train of thought:

ABR is so blatantly town, gm.

Fakeclaiming twice as scum? No.

His play aligns 100% with what he says, too - Shinobi and vikingfan have been clearly stated as what his role says they must be.

Actually, his constant lies point to ABR-town.

There's no way Ellie isn't scum, there's no way ABR and Ellie are teammates - therefore ABR is town.

I do not know what this means and think you want ABR-scum more than you believe it.

2824 is the first sign of any kind of possible doubt in ABR, but it's followed up with by this:

But I still think you're town because that shitty retarded gambit is what you would do as town.

You shouldn't have done it.

ANDDDD:

quite sure he's town to be honest

This is all fine and dandy. "Why does someone townreading ABR have to be a big deal?" Oh I don't know, maybe because he fucking changes his mind out of no where and becomes okay with ABR lynch on policy:

well the good news is either abr or mb is scum

"I still believe your claim":

Yeah, ABR, I am warning you - if we lynch you and you flip Tracker and this result was a lie too the entire game will blacklist you. And they'd be right to.

"I believe you made a mistake and that you're not scum"

ABR let's not get into counting your mistakes, there has been more than one.

And then this is the fucking icing on the cake. When I put forth that ABR might be scum tracker and Math might be SK, TSO instantly takes on the weirdest fucking stance. He clearly thinks that ABR is town, and then all of a sudden he starts saying that ABR is probably the scum tracker here:

Because a Scum tracker is exactly the kind of PR you want to leave alive!

And then he agrees with my analysis, but instead of voting for someone who seems like they're SK? He votes for ABR? Why? That makes absolutely 0 sense from his perspective if he's town. There's still a very reasonable chance that ABR is town tracker in his eyes and thus Math should be confirmed SK to him, but he doesn't follow through with that.

And then this is the real nail in the coffin:

I can make no sense of these interactions unless Cheetory's right - and if Cheetory's right then I'd rather not give ABR the chance to get information for the scumteam tonight.

His read on ABR has flipped for absolutely no fucking reason.
AND.
When asked about it, he can't even fucking come up with one reason as to why:

Because either he dies from vig or lynch and the vig could do better than shooting him.

Why would you go out of your way to blatantly defend someone as town, to blatantly call them scum tracker at the end of a cycle when it makes no sense to? I'll tell you why. Because TSO is fucking scum.

VOTE: TSO

While the things your talking about in this case are valid, I thinking your making that interaction a lot more of a thing than it is; To me, it sort of looks like he thinks ABR is town for awhile, then he's not sure, and then at a certain point simply decides that he's scum and that he was wrong.

Our town sucks this game. Too many people lying.

now wake is replacing out, not sure what to think of that.

I'm still not liking NJ and good morning still seems like gloating scum who just so happens to vote for me when I was calling him on his scumminess yesterday.

I'm going to watch a bit before voting.

Can you clarify what you mean by Boasting Scum? Why wouldn't scum be trying to look depressed at a mislyched, instead of boasting and looking happy?

Vote: NakedJogger

Does anyone want to lynch this guy?

Wow. Anything other erudite commentary you want to make?
NJ has spent two days being sociopathic at best.
Town has some self hatred issues it needs to work through.

Town,
Who are your top 2 scum reads today and why?
Who were you voting yesterday and why?

Ty.

Kiyz,it's possible that vig if there is one has three shots but wants to be sure and also its possible second non consec doc is doing okay and finally its possible mafia are targeting an night kill immune sk who can only be lynched.

My top two is Nakedjogger and Dragonspawn. I've said it before, but basically Dragonspawn is trying too hard to look town, and NakedJogger just isn't trying in general.

[Aeronaut]

@ Dragonspawn, what's your read on NJ
@ NJ, what's your read on Dragon?

[Aeronaut]

Can you link your original reasoning for NJ?

Do I have to? I think everyone knows by now, and it's not actually an original reason but quite a few reasons.
If you don't know any reasons why NJ is scummy, then you're kinda off.

Yea, I know why I think NJ is scummy, but I was curious what your personal reasons were though. I can just look use ISO though.

His stance on ABR switched immediately upon the claim, and if lying made him feel like ABR was more likely to be town, I don't know why he would reverse his stance on him at that point. It really feels to me like he was trying to push through a lynch on a PR that he legitimately believed. It was safe to defend ABR when he seemed like VT. The moment that he claimed a PR he was too dangerous to be left alive.

See, but then he could have just said "yea let's lynch this fucking guy" so much earlier then. Why fight it so long?

[Aeronaut]

Can I just say I have my reasons for now or?.............................................

I'm fine with that. Would it be fair for you to share them with us tomorrow, though?

Sounds reasonable.

Silver, I'd like you to answer this now.

He picked up on something that I think scum would of handled differently than he did.

Would there be harm in telling us that thing?

Also, @Cheetory/Silverwolf

Spoiler:

the

So it's scummy for a pressure vote on a suspected scum now? Because I said it was for pressure?

You must be really pushing to vote for the people who were on the tso wagon then.

I already told you

Viking was a gut call. There are plenty of reasons to vote for him at this point.

My reason is trusting my instincts

Yea..... no.

VOTE: Dragon

If there are plenty of reasons to vote him, why are you calling it a gut call?

I suppose that's possible, I found more meaning in the content of his post than the subject of it.

you are being way too friendly this game house.

fos

Looks like the Viking wagon id picking up. As he is one of my gut scum reads at the moment in going to jump on and see if more pressure will shake something free from him.

VOTE: viking

This is NOT a good jump. He joins the growing wagon because 1. "It's picking up", and 2. It just so happens to be one his gut-scumreads all of a sudden. That pings for me.

The thing that's more bothersome to me is him defending himself once his wagon forms; it simply sounds like someone trying

very hard

to be calm and collected, to keep making jokes under pressure, etc. It doesn't seem like a natural progression to me, just that he's inserting things all over to make him look less nervious. It's fabricated.

dragon-You seem to be making a lot of excuses for not providing content D1.

Hold your horses. I'm doing more than you realize. I think I'm doing more than you might realize.

See like, what's the point of this post? You're just trying to shove it in our faces that you've been doing things

So a vigilante or serial killer killed our first scum. Good job.

Going to check out some iso posts

This post doesn't sit well with me, really, just the way it's worded. It's like something robotic spewed out a very generic response to the kills, followed by a generalized "I'm gonna go read ISOs now"

I leave one day and you rush a lynch. Wake what the heck was that hammer?

I cannot believe vf was telling the truth. That story was bs.

and Ellie was the deputy? WTH! How does her flipping that make us less likely to lynch elusive when she couldn't investigate till vf was dead and had no way of clearing elusive. Those crumbs were absolutely stupid. Is this town a bunch of morons?

we should be looking at abr and wake today imho

Why are you putting blame on everyone else for being on the VF wagon, when you were on it too? That looks to me like your trying to show us how you weren't here for the lynch, so the blood couldn't possibly be on your hands. Then, you try to justify yourself by saying "That story was BS". Seeing the flip, it really was not. This whole opening post was dedicated to trying to clear yourself of any responsibility for yesterday's lynch, even though you spent the whole day pushing it to happen.

Dragonspawn, where is your vote? Why isn't it on ABR?

vote abr

if anything holds true in this game he is probably town.

This should put up a red flag for more people than it has.

I want ABR dead in multiple ways but I don't want town to end until everyone has spoken and made a reads list.

I agree wholeheartedly to this.

dragonspawn

:

Scum, for reasons stated above, and I stand by my reasoning on him from day 1; Not a fan of how he sort of got away from a lynch by people saying that "looking scummy is his meta". To be honest, a lot of his posting is reminiscent of the Newbscum I see when I'm ICing newbie games. He needs rope.

[Aeronaut]

:/

Why do you think every player is scum?


P-edit: unless you're Mastin

[Aeronaut]

Tell the dead thread we say hi

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Dragon


I'd like to hear from wake's replacement before we delve too far into that.

Dragon should get rope today.

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut, can you explain NJ? Is this some meta thing?

She's scum too. I just think Dragon is worse right now.

[Aeronaut]

I'm sorry, NJ I know your a He, I just keep thinking of that avatar so my mind gets confused

[Aeronaut]

That things going to give me nightmares

[Aeronaut]

People who think Dragon is town, what has he done to make you think that?

[Aeronaut]

:/

[Aeronaut]

Because Dragon is worse in my opinion. NJ can wait till tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

Like people have been using such shitty reasons to townread him, it makes no sense to me

[Aeronaut]

What did you say about him? I can't find anything specific in your last few posts :p

[Aeronaut]

dragonspawn's vote on ARB and Kitz vote on ABR were bad. I didn't care for either of them. "I know he's prolly town but voting him anyway CUZ I forgot this is a game and the goal is to lynch scum."

NJ, if you think goodmorning is scum or whatever make a case and ignore me. I already tried to make peace with you and its impossible. Also don't trash Mathblade, she was town and tried to be pro-town while you refuse to stop playing in a stubborn childish manner. I wonder if you're Jester and hoping to get lynched or what.

If you were the Vig I would be dead by now so it can't be that.

All that stuff is true, yea.

I'd also like a day that lasts more than 10 hours, too, though.

[Aeronaut]

The above was also @SW

[Aeronaut]

Eh, I don't completely agree with all of that, but it's Ika's game so it's his call.

Silverwolf, why does wake being replaced make him not a scumread anymore?

[Aeronaut]

I didn't actually look at the video though so you're probably right

[Aeronaut]

Ika can we get a vc

[Aeronaut]

Ika can we get a vc

I am trying to pin down a motivation for this post.

I am not succeeding.

What?

Hopefully the tone of this game will get better from here -.-..

@TSO

, can you pitch me what you believe is the difference between your scumgame and your towngame?
Would you also mind linking me a towngame or two? I want to make sure I'm not just getting caught up on general metatells rather than scumtells from metadiving.

@All else

, can everyone give me their read on TSO and why?
I don't entirely believe some of the stuff he was saying in response to me, particularly that he believed that we could leash Mathblade. I think that's reasoning he's putting forward in hindsight to overjustify why he was doing what he was doing. I asked him for specific reasoning as to why he wanted to lynch ABR over Math before deadline and there was no indication as to that being a part of the reason:

Because either he dies from vig or lynch and the vig could do better than shooting him.

Like, I just feel like his explanation today as to what he was doing on D3 feels too elaborate and thought-out for someone who was apathetic and disinterested in what was going on. I think he's trying to adjust to look better after having played in a scummy/sloppy manner. Why wouldn't he immediately responded to me with "I just didn't care that much after all the shit that had happened" instead of "these are all of the actual reasons why an ABR lynch made a bunch of sense that I didn't actually say before voting for him"? It just feels dishonest.

Furthermore, I've started doing a bit of a metadive and I'm seeing a lot of things from NY 178 that seem somewhat familiar to this game (being able to get angry at things, getting into big fights with people he perceives as being unreasonable). Given that he generally eluded everyone's detection as scum in that game, I'm curious as to what exactly is making him seem like he isn't scum to everyone right now?
Can someone with more meta experience with him give some thoughts on what his towngame is like as well?

I'm going to need to get back to you on this;

Then again we have a shitload of PR's.

This is what bothers me.

Why does that bother you?

Tso, scum hunt. That's all you need to do.

Kits, I forgot about the option of reroll thats a good option for when games to bad.

gm do explain your elusive might be scum comment. Considering NJ was town that means he might be right about something.

.... Are you saying that you might be scum?

Also, I'm kind of curious about who your scumreads are now that NJ was town.

Ika can we get a vc

I am trying to pin down a motivation for this post.

I am not succeeding.

Why do you think asking for a vc is alignment indicative in the least?

I doubt it is. But it is odd when no one has votes yet.

Ok, I'm seriously confused by this right now.

Was the VC reset? The reason I asked for one was because I know people (including myself) were voting for people other than NJ, and it hadn't been shown since day start. It's

still

wrong, if that's the case.

I don't get why it's a problem to see the new countdown and how many are still alive. Again, why is this even an issue right now?

This is PRECISELY why I wonder about the request for a votecount. I am leaning really hard toward "scum trying to look active" but there are SO MANY OTHER WAYS to do that.

Thus, my dilemma.

Ok... you've made 7 posts total since Vikingfan was lynched. I don't think you're really in the position to be selling that angle.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, VC was reset; I just can't read

[Aeronaut]

Here you go

Spoiler: To help you wake up

[Aeronaut]

That was for everyone. I'm buddying everyone.

Between that and asking for a VC, I don't know why I haven't been turbolynched yet tbh

[Aeronaut]

Can I just say I have my reasons for now or?.............................................

I'm fine with that. Would it be fair for you to share them with us tomorrow, though?

Sounds reasonable.

Silver, I'd like you to answer this now.

Thank God.
VOTE: elusive

Policy lynch

I don't really feel like you're in the position to be making joke-votes.

How I feel about that:
I'll return to my initial vote outside of ABR / MB influence.
VOTE: NJ

Can you link your original reasoning for NJ?

Vote: NakedJogger

This seems pretty bizarre to me seeing you didn't even post one time for all of yesterday.

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Alright JK, wtf. Jeez, did scum cheat us out of our sense of humor as well, cmon. What's the case on me anyway? Derptroll's tunnelvision doesn't make me scum. Pisskop obvdefense doesn't make me scum. I was on the viking wagon so fucking what.. that claim was improbable at best. I hammered Klingon, who could've been scum, so I don't have to die and leave no useful information behind, since nobody really cared to argument their vote.

This is the time to let bygones be bygones and lynch some scum. As for defending myself anyone want any questions answered I'm all ears.

Again, I don't understand why you're sitting here making jokes instead of sharing your thoughts on the game state. Even in this post, all you're doing is defending yourself and saying why you're not scum, but not actually saying anything about anybody else.

Zzzzz. ABR probably lying about Math is just like the icing on the cake. I'm pretty sad with this game right now
I'm pretty okay with an NJ lynch, but it would almost entirely be on policy of I will be sad if he's scum and he's just sitting back and watching us all be fucking dumb. I'm happy to throw my vote there if that's what everyone wants to do, but I'm legitimately almost 100% convinced that TSO is scum based on how he handled ABR last cycle.

He spent a long time in this game trying to established that this was definitely ABR's towngame. Let's follow the train of thought:

ABR is so blatantly town, gm.

Fakeclaiming twice as scum? No.

His play aligns 100% with what he says, too - Shinobi and vikingfan have been clearly stated as what his role says they must be.

Actually, his constant lies point to ABR-town.

There's no way Ellie isn't scum, there's no way ABR and Ellie are teammates - therefore ABR is town.

I do not know what this means and think you want ABR-scum more than you believe it.

2824 is the first sign of any kind of possible doubt in ABR, but it's followed up with by this:

But I still think you're town because that shitty retarded gambit is what you would do as town.

You shouldn't have done it.

ANDDDD:

quite sure he's town to be honest

This is all fine and dandy. "Why does someone townreading ABR have to be a big deal?" Oh I don't know, maybe because he fucking changes his mind out of no where and becomes okay with ABR lynch on policy:

well the good news is either abr or mb is scum

"I still believe your claim":

Yeah, ABR, I am warning you - if we lynch you and you flip Tracker and this result was a lie too the entire game will blacklist you. And they'd be right to.

"I believe you made a mistake and that you're not scum"

ABR let's not get into counting your mistakes, there has been more than one.

And then this is the fucking icing on the cake. When I put forth that ABR might be scum tracker and Math might be SK, TSO instantly takes on the weirdest fucking stance. He clearly thinks that ABR is town, and then all of a sudden he starts saying that ABR is probably the scum tracker here:

Because a Scum tracker is exactly the kind of PR you want to leave alive!

And then he agrees with my analysis, but instead of voting for someone who seems like they're SK? He votes for ABR? Why? That makes absolutely 0 sense from his perspective if he's town. There's still a very reasonable chance that ABR is town tracker in his eyes and thus Math should be confirmed SK to him, but he doesn't follow through with that.

And then this is the real nail in the coffin:

I can make no sense of these interactions unless Cheetory's right - and if Cheetory's right then I'd rather not give ABR the chance to get information for the scumteam tonight.

His read on ABR has flipped for absolutely no fucking reason.
AND.
When asked about it, he can't even fucking come up with one reason as to why:

Because either he dies from vig or lynch and the vig could do better than shooting him.

Why would you go out of your way to blatantly defend someone as town, to blatantly call them scum tracker at the end of a cycle when it makes no sense to? I'll tell you why. Because TSO is fucking scum.

VOTE: TSO

While the things your talking about in this case are valid, I thinking your making that interaction a lot more of a thing than it is; To me, it sort of looks like he thinks ABR is town for awhile, then he's not sure, and then at a certain point simply decides that he's scum and that he was wrong.

Our town sucks this game. Too many people lying.

now wake is replacing out, not sure what to think of that.

I'm still not liking NJ and good morning still seems like gloating scum who just so happens to vote for me when I was calling him on his scumminess yesterday.

I'm going to watch a bit before voting.

Can you clarify what you mean by Boasting Scum? Why wouldn't scum be trying to look depressed at a mislyched, instead of boasting and looking happy?

Vote: NakedJogger

Does anyone want to lynch this guy?

Wow. Anything other erudite commentary you want to make?
NJ has spent two days being sociopathic at best.
Town has some self hatred issues it needs to work through.

Town,
Who are your top 2 scum reads today and why?
Who were you voting yesterday and why?

Ty.

Kiyz,it's possible that vig if there is one has three shots but wants to be sure and also its possible second non consec doc is doing okay and finally its possible mafia are targeting an night kill immune sk who can only be lynched.

My top two is Nakedjogger and Dragonspawn. I've said it before, but basically Dragonspawn is trying too hard to look town, and NakedJogger just isn't trying in general.

VOTE: DragonSpawn

[Aeronaut]

Don't know why that whole thing was quoted :/

Anyway, dragon, please answer this.

Our town sucks this game. Too many people lying.

now wake is replacing out, not sure what to think of that.

I'm still not liking NJ and good morning still seems like gloating scum who just so happens to vote for me when I was calling him on his scumminess yesterday.

I'm going to watch a bit before voting.

Can you clarify what you mean by Boasting Scum? Why wouldn't scum be trying to look depressed at a mislyched, instead of boasting and looking happy?

[Aeronaut]

Do you have other reads?

[Aeronaut]

I'm pushing for Dragon. What are you doing?

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut, you tell me what you make of GM's post before the VC reset. On what basis did she state that "elusive might be scum"?

Not reading closely or?

Who's not reading close?

I think GM has been acting a bit odd come daystart; such as "I don't know anything" and random statements of whose scum and whose not without clarification. Yesterday, she also said she'd be holding out telling her thoughts of TSO at that time which I think is odd based on her earlier push on him.

Having said that though, I have a pretty good reason to townread GM at this time, which I can't share quite yet

[Aeronaut]

Who is your top scumread now that NJ is dead though? Is it Goodmorning?

[Aeronaut]

I actually feel like I should look into my last few games with TSO. Something is bugging me

P-edit: Uh yea

[Aeronaut]

:/

Please lynch that^ please I can't look at it anymore

[Aeronaut]

NS getting called out on his Aero push looking bad and then ignoring the callout and still continuing to push that same detail makes me actually lean town on him, but he should start playing more.

I don't get how that makes you lean town on him.

I actually feel like I should look into my last few games with TSO. Something is bugging me

P-edit: Uh yea

.. go on..

Well, I was looking at the people who've died, and I thought it was bit too coincidental that the kills on Day 2 and 3 were people who were pushing for a TSO lynch pretty hard all game. Then I remembered that Elle was a claimed PR, which kind of just leaves Mathblade. So Idk how strong that hunch is anymore.

:/

Please lynch that^ please I can't look at it anymore

zzzzz.
I really fail to see how awkward tone is scummy Aero. Unless this is stereotypically different from how dragon usually sounds, I don't really see what the case is here.

The case isn't an awkward tone; It's when a player says something like "Or are you just going to post like that while the rest of us work and put ourselves on the line?", that makes my hair stand on in.

He's actively trying to fit in.

I'm struggling to understand why so few people see this.

Only other case I can get behind right now is the pre-replace-out case on Wake.
With ABR/NakedJogger/Math all having flipped town, I think that quickhammer he did may have just been an attempt to capitalize on the stupid shit that was happening.

I do agree with this though; if Dragon isn't an option today, I'd settle for Marquis/Wake slot. That hammer sucked, and Marquis isn't helping the situation.

Question: People who have played a game where Wake was scum: is that his usual scum behavior? I've only played with him as town.

Shin, why do you interpret the list as a scumlist? I read it as an activity/lurker list.

Hello?

VOTE: Shinobi

I even spelled it properly!

wait, what the hell is this shit

[Aeronaut]

Catching up

[Aeronaut]

Sorry I got sidetracked with other things. Will follow up soonish

[Aeronaut]

I don't recall thinking FA was very scummy

[Aeronaut]

Alright, I'm backish. Shouldn't be any other long absences I think

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
VOTE: FA
Momentummmmmm.

This post seems especially odd amidst your TSO Crusade. Explain it.

Actually, Pisskop was on elusive 3 of those vc's D1:

Let's look at his votes:

T S O in RVS, later unvotes

Votes dragon 402, unvotes 770-this could be kind of a distancing thing if dragon was scum

Votes Kitz in 917 jumping on a Kitz wagon started by ABR, this leads me to believe Kitz town

Here he votes elusive 1025 on her scumreads of House, FA, and Wake-soft defending all 3 of them which is noteable and should be looked at as at least one or more could be scum in that group

Here joins the Klingon town wagon 1608 which I'd expect scum to do.

So based on this, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong in this analysis:

-I think Kitz and elusive are more likely to be town because of pisskop voting for elusive all those vc cycles D1 and it doesn't seem like a good idea for scum to bus like that D1 of a Large Normal.

-He joined a wagon on Kitz while also joining one on town Klingoncelt later, leads me to believe Kitz is town-why join a wagon on your scumbuddy D1 and again, joining wagons on town is what scum likes to do.

-dragon vote and unvote could be distancing, I've mostly been townreading dragon but this is noteable at least

-when voting for elusive he soft defends the people she's scumreading by saying her reads are bad-FA, House, Wake-noteable for scum possibly being in this group, I've got a townread on House, scum on Wake and not sure on FA-could go either way, Ozgin I have less of a townread on then I did House but he's not really scummy, Marquis isn't scummy either which is causing me confusion on my Wake read because Wake was obvscum to me due to his play.

I don't even know what this tells us but maybe something?

Wake is obvscum, but you're voting FaQ instead. That doesn't make sense to me.

Let's make it L-1.

unvote

Vote: FAQ2

This is terrible. I don't understand the weird cult resistance to an NS lynch.

I'm not particularly leaning towards an fa lynch but I won't object if their is a hammer. I just would much prefer hitting gm.

What's your current case on GM?

then i have a wagon to analyze and another nightkill to do so with as well

either way i think there's a really good chance of fa_q2 flipping scum that trumps any of my second thoughts and it's the best choice we have

9 days

UNVOTE:

i'm going to do a full read.

I find it hard to believe that you went from

"Fa_q2 has a good chance of flipping scum, that trumps my second thoughts, it's our best choice"
to
"I'm going to do a full read unvote"

Holding the intent to hammer, just in case Kitz isn't really sure about it.

I'm waiting for FA_Q to get a chance to really speak. I really don't like the "Whatever, blegh" attitude he has those (like in posts 4000 and 4014), I also don't get the contradiction here either, where he defends Wake by saying (basically) "What scum would replace out of a winning game?" followed by "Yeah, I think Wake is scummy..." It just doesn't add up.

This sounds like fake sympathy to me.

My least-favorite FA_Q post is probably this one, where he puts ABR at L-1 because (I am paraphrasing his attitude at that point) "Fuck it! Town lost anyways, who gives a fuck, right?! Thbbrrrrrrttttttt".

All in all, I don't really like FA_Q's posts because they're either null or grossly apathetic to the town situation.

Your 'least favorite' post is an abject lie. I didn't put him at L1 because of 'fuck it.' I put him there because he was single highhandedly destroying the game. IF ABR survived then he would have done absolutely nothing at all but distract the ENTIRE town from scum hunting and eliminating any and all ability to move forward. I gave my reasons and here you are taking shit out of context and lying about it.

You all are looking for scum ^ here is more of it.

1) You said he

destroyed

the game. You said town was fucked, not "going to be fucked" and not "getting destroyed," but "fucked" and "destroyed." Your tone was clearly that of defeat AND apathy.

2) It's really fucking cute that you bold one line of my short analysis on you that I made while reading your ISO and contemplating the idea of you being scum, and gave no fucks about the other posts I pointed to. Furthermore, I did not lie nor did I take things out of context -- I interpreted YOUR shitty post. If my analysis was SHITTY to you, then you can only imagine how SHITTY your post sounded to me.

I really want to hammer you, but I'm tired of town running into lynches with guns blazed at the hips and taking town other townies. In light of your recent reactions (arguably the most frustrated posts I've ever read), I'm almost inclined to believe you're town. But answer me this:

I agree with the replacement issue just like you but I am trying not to let that cloud the actual ACTIONS taken by the slot itself.

Do you

honestly

believe that Wake would be on the winning team, and replace out just to take the heat off of his slot in an attempt to help his already winning team?

On another pseudo-related note:

Tempted to agree with DS. FA should still follow up on that Aeronaut thing though.

Did Ozgin ever have a scumread on FA beforehand?

No, I did not. I actually forgot FA_Q was a player, because (in all honesty) I've been almost completely inactive until this point of D4, and most of the end of D3. I only even looked into FA_Q at the prompt of SilverWolf who asked my thoughts on him. But even so, I wasn't really (and still am not) on the scale of "ERMAHGERD HE'S A SCUMBAG," all I said was I didn't like his posts because of their apathetic (and now in hindsight, defeated) tone.

P-EDIT:

Tempted to agree with DS. FA should still follow up on that Aeronaut thing though.

Did Ozgin ever have a scumread on FA beforehand?

No, he said FA made a very useful post, only coming up with a scumread when he got to L-1.

How convenient.

Read above.

Hmm.... This post and his general demeanor in recent posts actually makes me lean town on Ogzin, for something I can't quite talk about yet.

Except that wasn't the point I was making.

Why FA_Q over any other apathetic player in the game, aside from the fact that he is at L-1?

Shinobi is town, I've decided.

Like I may be wordy, unconvincing or wrong about details, but my gut is fucking roaring and it wants TSO blood and I won't fucking settle for less at this point.
So if you're prepared to find a wagon that won't exist on either myself or TSO then SHIT THAT SUCKS.
I'm not going to be a part of it anymore.

I don't really get the escalation up to this point. Yes, I get that people aren't seeing what you're seeing but I've seen TSO be way more antagonistic in games.

Do you have reads on other people? Have any changed?

I feel like you've spent the whole day just ranting about TSO and not giving us much more than that.

FA, still waiting on those reads/content/something at all.

I am waiting on this as well FA.

FA, still waiting on those reads/content/something at all.

Reads in a nutshell:
Kitz – town lean. Kitz is trying to lurk though and that is bothering me. Her reaoning for this is dumb IMHO – town does not need to lurk to get suspicion off them, that is a scum motivation. Not getting scum from other actions though.

You have her as a town read but then you sort of list off all the things she's done that's scummy... What has she done that's townie to you?

dragonspawn – been scum reading dragon for a while. Not liking the subdued way he is playing. One thing is for sure, dragon has NOT added anything that resembles scum hunting for a very long time. The one case that I can remember is against GM as ‘gloating.’

I agree with this posting. I don't get the resistance.

Flubber – already laid case out and it is only getting worse. Looks very scummy.

Flubber = Marquis, right?

Aeronaut – leaning scum in general because areo has been posting mostly fluff and avoiding any real scum hunting. At times I forget that he is even in the game.

I'll admit I've been a bit absent the last few days, so I guess there's that. Can you link what you believe to be "fluff posting"? I feel like you never felt the need to bring this up in the past, so it's interesting to me.

Ozgin – Town lean/null. Hard to read because his posts seem quite controlled.

I wouldn't say they're that controlled at all, tbh, or at least not lately.

VOTE: fa_q2

this is going on again

I thought that you were going to use the 9 days we have to read the game? What happened there?

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Marquis

I'd be fine with a marquis lynch today, to be honest.

[Aeronaut]

FA wagon sucks. I'm not buying into that.

[Aeronaut]

Wake is obvscum, but you're voting FaQ instead. That doesn't make sense to me.

Ummmm..........................No, I'm not? *scratches head*

Whoops, messed that up completely. You were voting Marquis who is the wake slot. That makes way more sense now

[Aeronaut]

also why the fuck is everyone saying wake was obvscum

i can see it looking mildly scummy but overall a replacement is almost always null. just feels like people are trying to stack the wake accusations as something way more damning than they actually should be, like exaggerating how much you can get from a replace out

I raised my concern in my post and you aren't answering it. I don't get why you were voting FA, then unvoted because you had 9 days to read up, but then revoted again. It's not insecurity in your reads, it's you flip flopping what you say your motives are completely.

[Aeronaut]

Cheetory all I did was ask you for reads

Do you have any besides TSO?

[Aeronaut]

Eh

[Aeronaut]

I listed off reasons that my town read is not strong. Ingeneral, I get a town feel about kits - I just do not like some of the more recent trends that slot is doing. It makes me question my town read.

Is there anything specific or is it just her tone? I was townreading her for awhile, but there's a few things I've been wondering about.

Aeronaut – leaning scum in general because areo has been posting mostly fluff and avoiding any real scum hunting. At times I forget that he is even in the game.

I'll admit I've been a bit absent the last few days, so I guess there's that. Can you link what you believe to be "fluff posting"? I feel like you never felt the need to bring this up in the past, so it's interesting to me.

Your last several posts before this one. You were not so fluffy earlier in the game which is one reason that I had not scum read you until this point. I find that is a general scummy behavior though - get people to think you are townish and then lay low until that play wears thin. It happens a lot I believe because scum feels secure and then does not post as often. I may have limited experience but players that do not lurk and then suddenly lurk in a cycle tend to make me suspicious.

That's fair. If it makes you feel better, my absence was universal. Define lurking in a cycle?

[Aeronaut]

Yea. Idk there.

Kitz, who's your top scumread at the moment?

[Aeronaut]

Ok... so why not vote for one us

[Aeronaut]

Fa is town

[Aeronaut]

I thought his reaction to the wagon was P town. Also, most of the jumps on that wagon were crap. Cheetory literally said "Whee, Momentum!"

Also, TSO you say you like the names on the wagon but right now its Cheetory who you've been shouting at for 20 pages, Goodmorning who you fought with tooth and nail D2, and Nobody Special whose been lurking out of his mind.

Can you really say you like the names on that wagon?

[Aeronaut]

Even if Cheetory didn't justify that I wouldn't care, Aero - we need a lynch soon. This game is melting into apathy.

I do agree that something needs to happen.


P-edit: @Cheetory leave it alone.

[Aeronaut]

I thought his reaction to the wagon was P town. Also, most of the jumps on that wagon were crap. Cheetory literally said "Whee, Momentum!"

Also, TSO you say you like the names on the wagon but right now its Cheetory who you've been shouting at for 20 pages, Goodmorning who you fought with tooth and nail D2, and Nobody Special whose been lurking out of his mind.

Can you really say you like the names on that wagon?

[Aeronaut]

I don't really see that absolving himself of the lynch.

Like I kind of feel like we all had that sort of feeling lynching Abr. Not that he was necessarily town, but that even if he was who the fuck cares because he was screwing us over.


@Cheetory I'll find specific posts when I get home today.

[Aeronaut]

Kits you did not answer my question.

[Aeronaut]

@Cheetory For the vote, no. I'm weary of your constant ATE and your weird TSO push.

So yea, you have a slight scum read right now.


I think GM is right though, I need to update my reads list. Looking back at that a lot of those have changed.

[Aeronaut]

HEY! LISTEN!

props to anyone who gets the refrence

Spoiler:

[Aeronaut]

Fix that tag Ika and you'll see it

[Aeronaut]

What's your case on Cheetory right now? I still don't get why you're voting him.

[Aeronaut]

My bad, you unvoted.

[Aeronaut]

Fun when the day starts and the game were still locked for a while.

And there goes the Doc... Which is another PR, and he died without even telling if he did heal anyone.
Back to square one.
/TableFlip

With how the game turns out, I'm unfortunate to say I'm willing to look at the "Towny" players now. NS was being scummy, yet dies and flips Doc.
Those that are familiar with most of the players here are FoS', with meta and informative to their advantage.

Comments? SilverWolf, Aeronaut, Shinobi.
There's just no danger to these players.

I am starting to doubt the authenticity of the Serial Killer as well - one night of 3 kills out of 5 nights has me skeptical.

[Aeronaut]

Comments? SilverWolf

NS could be scum but there are a couple posts which make me re-think that and I'm not going to speculate.

when I realized NS might actually be town after re-ISOing for ~reasons~

Well, what do you think of the fact elusive and NS have soft claimed roles?

Quick ISO with " NS" on the search. You crumbed him, and saw him out.

Gonna rush out for the doc now, seeya later.

Uh... That was supposed to have words in it

Hold on

[Aeronaut]

Comments? SilverWolf, Aeronaut, Shinobi.
There's just no danger to these players.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I am starting to doubt the authenticity of the Serial Killer as well - one night of 3 kills out of 5 nights has me skeptical.

Yea. Although it doesn't explain how the first night happened.

NS should have been kept more under wraps than it was yesterday.

Kitz, yesterday I asked you who your top two scumreads were, and you said me and Ogzin. Why then, have you yet to vote for either of us, or push for us in any way?; eg, why go for FA when he wasn't one of your top scumreads.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: dragon

[Aeronaut]

Ummm dragon? GM is not the only one who picked up on that. Several of us did. How on Earth does that make her scum?

Kitz-I'll answer it later and yeah, I need to save things somewhere else before posting if they are long-have lots of quotes in them.

Well scum had to figure it out, so logically those announcing they knew it are scum candidates.

Gm can't help bragging about

She's literally not bragging about anything. You're trying to make a case where there isn't one

[Aeronaut]

[Aeronaut]

I mean you could

[Aeronaut]

@TSO, as someone who knows your scumgame, that's not an accurate representation of yours.

@Dragonspawn Do you have other scumreads besides GM?


P-Edit: that's pretty false. I spent the majority of yesterday pushing Marquis.

You kind of just described yourself, though. Lurking around and every once in awhile popping your head up and trying to lynch GM...

[Aeronaut]

I feel like that's how dragon has getting by. Only really pushing for GM, because he knows that it's not a really viable lynch, and he can just keep milking it.

[Aeronaut]

Wouldn't that mean that GM was more likely to be scum in your eyes, since there's more resistance?

[Aeronaut]

The fact that she's voting him should probably indicate that she thinks he's scum.

[Aeronaut]

Well, 3 kills and I really doubt more than one is from a faction. There's lack of kills after. No one claimed healed other than Viking. There's lack of flips to reflect on the mystery itself.
So what about those two additional?

Inb4 2x oneshot vigilantes.ame role flip.

The fact that there's lack of appropriate flips other than doctors, lack of healed, lack of evidence for consistensy, so my reads are all over the flipping place.

Wouldn't it be apropriate for the Oneshot Vigi to already claim since he's useless anyway now?
So fucking confused.

Well, It's possible that more than one faction tried killing the same person, and this happened multiple times. This happened in NY175, it was obnoxious.

I've backed off of gm for the moment.

Fair, but why

did

you think she was scum, exactly? Be spiecific, please?

Ask your neighbor.

What the fuck

If I'm scum what's my reason for outting you?

I think this sentence above is very telling. You want to look town. You outed information you have been holding onto all game because you wanted to look like you were helping town.

It came specifically at at time you were being questioned for your terrible GM push by a few people and being told you weren't doing anything. Rather than answer the questions and explain yourself better, you decided to divert attention off of yourself onto me and Ozgin by outing this information now instead of letting us do it.

It's the timing of it that bothers me dragon and the motivation behind you doing it that bugs me.

I also see scum wanting to know about these things as well as town. I was hard townreading you and defending you to GM and Aero specifically because of the way you handled the crumbing House did.

Neither one of us cares that this info. is out there but your reasoning and timing for it sucks and is scummy dragon.

Uh.. yea .


Dragonspawn, please enlighten us as to why you chose that specific moment to out two neighbors.

[Aeronaut]

For timing, we have lost quite a bit of the town. There aren't a ton of us anymore, town doesn't need another group of people hiding at this point. And there is no guarantee the two of you are both town. As our numbers dwindle the odds of you having scum in the hood increase.

You still haven't answered if there are more that just ozgin and you wolf.

Did it occur to you that house might have ulterior motives for crumbing? He is quite shrewd. I haven't decided.

@cheetory should seem that odd to you why I'm not voting for you and not marques. I pushed marques yesterday because of the two wagons i felt he would be more likely to be scum. Fa was obviously town to me at that point as I've explained before. He is also a decent player so I figured marquis looked scummier of the two.

We are at the beginning of a new day. There are no wagons going on yet. I took a look at gas lynchers tso looks town, so does wolf, my push on gm seems less likely to result in scum with the information from our previous discussion. I went with the choice that looked yummiest in the leftovers.

I take it you aren't happy that I'm voting for you?

This doesn't answer the question of why you chose that moment to out them.

Also, please stop pushing for other people in the hood to out themselves, if there's any.

[Aeronaut]

Well, maybe he just didn't like your response...

[Aeronaut]

TSO, how do you feel about dragonspawn this fine summer evening?

[Aeronaut]

What about Goodmorning?

What do you think of her?

[Aeronaut]

Well, she wants dragonspawn dead as much as I do. But you haven't made a significant push on either of us. Yet, dragonspawn is "Lynchbait who scum wants to gobble up"

So what's that about? Are the people voting for Dragon scum? Why are you imying that instead of outright saying it?

[Aeronaut]

@TSO So you think outing two neighbors for no other apparent reason than to get out of answering questions is town motivated?

[Aeronaut]

TSO, how do you feel about dragonspawn this fine summer evening?

He feels extremely like mislynch bait.

I don't agree with this sentiment at all.

Vikingfan was lynchbait. He came in and was quickly wagoned D1. His posts were somewhat offputting, but were also pretty genuine. Dragonspawn's posts seem very ingenuine. He says things like "I leave for one day and you rush a lynch!", and along the lines of "Gee town we're sure failing" which reads to me as being fake as fuck. If you don't see that, you aren't looking hard enough.

He's far from lynchbait. Lynchbait, in my experiance, usually is a player who everybody is willing to lynch for not great reasoning. There's a ridiculous amount of resistance to any sort of wagon forming on him, which just makes me want to push it more. It should make you want to push it more too. It worries me that you can't see that.

But, back on point: what scum motivation does dragonspawn have to out the neighbourhoods?

Because if he were town, he'd keep that kind of information under wraps. As scum, he doesn't give a fuck and just outs two neighbors to save himself from more questioning.

What if we lynched Aeronaut?

Make a case.

Soooo... Does this mean that this "neighbour" thing is confirmed town?

On another note, I wouldn't mind voting MQ, Shin or Aero.
Too bad it's all pretty much gut at this point.

Neighbors can be town or scum.

What happened to your Ogzin read?

Wolf I've been town reading you since the beginning of the game. I've got too many games right now. I'm not sure about oz.

Quite frankly I'm feeling burnt out tonight. I thought about subbing out but I don't want to be a dick to ika and don't like backing down from my commitments.

If you guys want to lynch me I understand. But I'm genuinely am town.

I feel like we are still in day 1 mode and not any closer.

I like this post more than any you've posted thus far. Can you elaborate on what you mean by Day 1 mode?

What about Aeronaut?

So far, a town vibe on Aero.

Do you think otherwise?

I'm open to other opinions on any one in the game because I kind of feel lost to be totally honest.

I don't know. He's just kind of been here and I don't really see anyone talking about him much at all.

So...Why not Aeronaut?

I kind of feel like that's how I feel about Shinobi, to be honest. However, I don't see that as alignment indicative. E.g. I don't think you're making an effort to stay under wraps, I think it's just been happening.

What would you like to talk about?

I keep getting mixed vibes on aero. There are times when I think he is definitely Town. And yet there is something nagging me about him. Maybe it's the fact that he has been tunnelling me all game. It irritates me because I can't define it.

Forgive me if I've overlooked it, but have you ever gotten the vibe that he's been listening to you at all or is he just tunneling you for the sake of tunneling you?

I've been listening to everything he's said. I don't like his case on goodmorning. I think it's pretty lazy, I'm pretty sure it's vote parking on an unviable lynch. Saying "Oh well GM is boasting scum", slapping a vote on, and then leaving until next dayphase is the definition of lazy voting.

Why are people under the impression that there

has

to be one mafia in the experienced player group of Shinobi/TSO/Marquis?

Doesn't Aeronaut fall under that category as well or what?

Experienced by no means = Good at Mafia. Look at ABR.


@Dragonspawn I believe I asked you if you had any scum reads besides GM. Can you respond to that, por favor?

[Aeronaut]

Alright. I don't agree with oz, but Cheetory I see your reasoning behind. Kinda been wondering about him myself.

Besides the "boasting scum" thing you keep saying about GM, is there any other reasoning you had on her besides that?

[Aeronaut]

Silverwolf, Cheetory has been here less time than you have.

[Aeronaut]

Having said that, experience is not alignment indicative at all. Anyone using that argument at this point in the game really should reevaluate what their doing.

[Aeronaut]

What do you think about Marquis' play today?

[Aeronaut]

The dragon one, I think I said it in my wall that that particular post was better than a lot of his previous; It made me want to work with him more at the very least. I still really dislike the rest of his ISO, though, so I don't really know if I'll be wavering much on him.

Marquis has seemed a lot better today compared to yesterday, in that he's still pretty sporadic, but it seems less like flailing and more like trying to find a foothold of this shit pile of a game.

Cheetory's ATE really has me sort of wondering there. I don't recall that happening in other games I've played with him, and frankly I feel like the thing between him in TSO is really bizarre. Might be worth looking back there.


You're one of the people who knows dragon from that other site, right? Is this indicative of his regular town game? Or does it seem different?

[Aeronaut]

Um.....

Ika

[Aeronaut]

Oh lol that looked so confusing on mobile.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: TSO

Let's see where this takes us.

[Aeronaut]

I'm not a big fan of TSO's push on Marquis today. I'm also wondering about his over-agressiveness this day phase.

I'm by no means finished with Dragon.

[Aeronaut]

That was @SW

[Aeronaut]

Goodmorning, why Elusive?

[Aeronaut]

Catching up.

My biggest problem with elusive is her fade-out. She's become less active and less of a pusher, and seems to be trying more to blend in. Actual content in her posts has been decreasing since before her lack of posting and subsequent V/LA.

I get that she's on V/LA right now. That's not really the activity I'm talking about.

Yea, I see that a bit. I feel like this sort of applies to a lot of people, though. I think she's somebody to look back at a bit.

So dragon, I noticed once the pressure came off you, you haven't come back to post.

Aero-I still don't understand how you switched your vote when you were so set on dragon. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. At least give me a case on TSO. Is he aggressive as scum?

Dragon is still likely scum in my opinion. However, TSO's strange defense of Dragon needed attention, and honestly the more TSO posts the stranger it's starting to seem. He was this sure about FA yesterday, and was wrong. Today, he's still completely sure of himself about Marquis. You taking the time to re-evaulate your reads today got me thinking; Don't you think somebody that pushed so hard for something yesterday and was dead wrong would be rethinking and retooling his reads today? Or at least second guessing himself just a little bit? That's not what he's doing. He barely mentions yesterday's events and just moves on with a "Ok, Marquis is 100% scum" crusade. That should be bothering people more than it is.

And yes, he's extremely aggressive as scum, and pretty nonchalant as town. I don't always trust meta reads when it's that polar opposite, but with the way he's trying to moot that fact quite a bit makes me want to bring that aspect more into play.

VOTE: goodmorning

Let's go with this then.

VOTE: Aeronaut

VOTE: goodmorning

Okay, guess I'll just chill out right here then.

So if we don't lynch either of those two players, who do we lynch?

I propose Kitz. It will be fun, if nothing else.

This sequence of posting really is bothering me; This really just looks like you're voting people until something sticks. Especially the Kitz part. We're on day 5, and you propose lynching someone for "fun"?

I want to hear your actual opinion on Kitz. Is she scum, or is she town? Or are you just looking for a lynch?

What exactly am I agreeing/disagreeing with here? I don't really understand what you're asking.

Why do you think I'm calling Marquis scum? I didn't understand your response a bit back, and I don't think you understand me either - I'm trying to find the point where our views diverge.

... Are you not calling him scum?

GM is town, I'm pretty sure of it. Feel the same way about Ozgin.

I agree with this pretty much. I don't see a world where GM is scum this game, really.

Alright. I don't agree with oz, but Cheetory I see your reasoning behind. Kinda been wondering about him myself.

Why?

Because that whole sequence with TSO during last day phase is really off to me, and that's really bugging me. Tell me why again you think TSO isn't scum anymore?

@Cheeto: What part of my read progression are you not getting? I've explained all of that already.
I've also explained that killing Kitz would be grand because she keeps calling me mafia for little to nothing, and it seems like she keeps coming up with excuses to scumread me. She's been on about lynching me since day 1 and hasn't really ever gotten to it nor has she had any interest in questioning me.

Ok, this answers the question I asked above, however is there something bothering you about Kitz that doesn't have to do with you? Or is it only because she's scumreading you?

I think Marquis's townread on gm reads as kinda off and I'm probably going to be looking there for his partner after him because I think he's trying to psych me out by hard townreading his scumbuddy.

I thought for a while that Marquis, if he was doing this, would put more effort into making the read seem genuine/interactions etc., but then again he can't justify his goodmorning read and not justify the others, so it doesn't worry me like it kinda did for a while.

Why would he be so obvious about town reading his scum buddy?

From what I alone have seen of Goodmorning's opinions and play in this game, I feel as if they are pretty genuine. Take that as you will. I won't be lynching her.

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@TSO

I'm finding it really hard to believe that you went from this

My theory is: the reason Nobody Special was kept alive until now was because scum didn't know about him. Once they figured it out, they shot him. It would not have been difficult to figure it out -

but this does make me feel better about goodmorning-town, given she knew for multiple days.

to this

I'm a little confused tso. Weren't you the one trying to persuade me that I was off on scum reading gm? Now you'll be looking into her after marquis if he flips scum?

When exactly did this happen? The last time I remember thinking abut goodmorning I was calling her null.

Please explain to me what changed in between these posts to make you go from "I feel pretty good about Goodmorning town" to suddenly "GM is null, because she's being apathetic"


I'm very weary of some of the Shinobi/TSO/Cheetory interactions with each other today. I really didn't like this post in which Shinobi accredits the interactions between Marquis, T S O, and himself as simple paranoia that stems out of "mutual respect" for each other. I feel is subtly implying that they're all town, and that people should look elsewhere. I also don't like his constant assertion that two people fighting in a game suddenly makes them town. Shinobi has been here long enough to know that that's not really the case, and it bothers me that he's trying to push that. Cheetory and T S O spent all of yesterday basically at war, and I really don't see how that has been doused so quickly. It's possible theatrics.

So, that's why I'm thinking a TSO lynch is better than dragon today. By lynching TSO today, we get more information than if we lynch Dragon. In my mind, if TSO flips scum, Cheetory will flip scum right along with him. And then Shinobi, while that theory may be a bit more tinfoil-hat, will be someone to look into tomorrow as well. As TSO said, we really only need one scum lynch, and it will blow this game wide open. I think TSO is that lynch for us today.

[Aeronaut]

Also, I found these two posts while looking through your posts today and yesterday. Can you clarify these things?

@TSO, as someone who knows your scumgame, that's not an accurate representation of yours.

It has been.

What do you mean by "it has been". It has been before? Or what?

Sorry, it's not my fault I'm getting scum lynched today.

Actually, it really is, but let's not discuss that right now.

Can you discuss this with us now?

[Aeronaut]

I want to hear your actual opinion on Kitz. Is she scum,

or is she town?

Or are you just looking for a lynch?

"Hey Shinobi, you want to lynch Kitz. Do you townread her?"
Just found that a bit odd. Wouldn't it obviously mean no?

On another note, my poking on him with a stick seems to have grown into drama later on, is it normal for these reactions from him?

Well, the way the post was worded sort of seemed like Shinobi didn't have much of an opinion on you. Basically, "Let's lynch her just because."

[Aeronaut]

Will respond to everything else, but you forgot this.

Also, I found these two posts while looking through your posts today and yesterday. Can you clarify these things?

@TSO, as someone who knows your scumgame, that's not an accurate representation of yours.

It has been.

What do you mean by "it has been". It has been before? Or what?

Sorry, it's not my fault I'm getting scum lynched today.

Actually, it really is, but let's not discuss that right now.

Can you discuss this with us now?

[Aeronaut]

This seems sketchy

[Aeronaut]

Because we already know town had a vengeful, two doctors, a cop, a deputy, a tracker, and another thing's been soft claimed pretty hard. That seems like a lot of town power roles for you to be saying what you're saying.

[Aeronaut]

@TSO

[Aeronaut]

And we've already had a non-normal role.

[Aeronaut]

Actually wait is depuity normal?

[Aeronaut]

Eh. It's a stretch.

[Aeronaut]

Btw, is TSO is actually a role then scum has to have some crazy stuff to make up for it.

All we've seen flip thus far is that weird roleblocker permutation.

Non-consecuitive, too.

@Cheetory that's how I feel too. Wake's ISO was pretty bad, but Marquis during this day phase has seemed less jumpy and more genuine.

[Aeronaut]

@Cheetory
Because TSO's progression on ABR didn't seem very odd to me and still doesn't. However, his GM read has no progression; he said that he felt good about her being town, and proceeded to hound her for being apathetic for like three pages, which when you think about it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense when paired with this.

everyone choose now. me or tso. please.

I endorse this statement completely - it really is time to choose.

[Aeronaut]

@Shinobi What's your read of TSO?
@TSO What's your read of Shinobi?

[Aeronaut]

I'm asking specifically why.

Besides "Oh they're fighting so they must be town"

[Aeronaut]

TSO, why are you bothering calling Goodmorning scum when you've said that we all have to choose between Marquis and you?

[Aeronaut]

Yea, but why even bother pushing for you and creating extra conversation if you're not even the one we're to supposed to be choosing today?

[Aeronaut]

@Aeronaut: Marquis is writing better posts that he normally does as scum. I've thought the TSO push was kind of lame since much earlier.

Them fighting certainly helps, though. It does read like tvt and I don't understand why I can't use that as a basis for a read.

Because them fighting could be town vs town, town vs scum, or scum vs scum honestly.

[Aeronaut]

Ok TSO is definitely scum

[Aeronaut]

@EVERYBODY

Do you all really buy that TSO is some super secret PR? Because you shouldn't. It doesn't make sense for him to be a Healing/protection role because we've had 2 doctors. It doesn't make sense for him to be an investigative role, because we've had a Cop, A backup Cop, and a Tracker.

He can't be a bulletproof anything, because he keeps telling us how he's going to die tonight.

And really, if with all those PRs you think the town has yet another one, you're fooling yourself.

[Aeronaut]

Ok I'm an idiot and don't see what you're saying.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, so I'm not a complete idiot then.

[Aeronaut]

.......... Ika?

[Aeronaut]

Oh, you claimed an unverifiable role which happens to have the same powers as a Serial Killer?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........

[Aeronaut]

Do you have any crumbs?

[Aeronaut]

???

[Aeronaut]

Do you have any crumbs?

I have one or two, but I can't discuss them. I know how sickening that is, but in the interest of WIFOM regarding my Vig variant, it's worth it.

Feel free to look.

Well, why does that matter seeing as you're "going to die tonight anyway"?

[Aeronaut]

Like, I feel like scum wouldn't have two roleblockers. So... I don't see why you need to create WIFOM at all.

[Aeronaut]

A vigilante on a town with like 7 other PRs is really overpowered town, even if 1 shot.

Who were your kills each night?

[Aeronaut]

I don't really care about how many shots you have, moreso what crumbs you left. If any.

[Aeronaut]

Why did you decide to kill mathblade?

[Aeronaut]

I claimed the Doctor was on me, I never claimed Bulletproof.

lmao

"You have been protected by the Doctor."

"You have lost your Bulletproof vest/shot."

which of those actually appears in normal games now

???

[Aeronaut]

What about Pisskop made him scream scum to you?

[Aeronaut]

Apparently not. I have no idea why viking got this. I did not.

This might be a slip actually.

[Aeronaut]

@Marquis

, do you really think TSO wouldn't be worried about a counterclaim if he was some kind of scum fakeclaiming right now? Like, even if he was the SK, wouldn't the vig just counterclaim him and he'd be fucked? I feel like his course of actions here just doesn't make sense as scum and if he's lying he's fucked anyway.
I don't get how you're seeing this situation any other way?

I'm not Marquis, but

We've had a lot of PRs outed at this point. I think it's a safe enough assumption that there isn't actually another vig out there.

[Aeronaut]

My problem with this is that I can't see a way in which we verify this.

[Aeronaut]

nobody gets lynched until we have everyone back here and commenting on this claim. i fucking mean it

^^^^^^^^

[Aeronaut]

Then why the hell are there three kills

[Aeronaut]

Honestly TSO, I think it would be pretty easy for you to fake that claim, just kill whoever town tells you to kill, and just coast to the end like that.

Like if you kill who we say you're still getting your kill off, it doesn't matter to you

[Aeronaut]

I know you really cant defend that but I just don't believe there's that many power roles in this setup.

P-edit: yea

[Aeronaut]

SW one a scale of 1-10 how much do you believe this claim as of right now?

[Aeronaut]

Did Marquis scumslip?

[Aeronaut]

@TSO Why would NS protect you in the first place?

[Aeronaut]

Well, in fairness the SK wants scum dead just as much as town.

Nobody's saying you're a bad shot. Just that you shot in the wrong place.

[Aeronaut]

I find it hard to believe that Town-TSO nightkills a claimed PR who spent the day defending a town ABR and delaying the lynch. There's no reason she would have been scum, and you would have clearly seen that were you town.

[Aeronaut]

However, a mathblade kill makes much MORE sense if you're a serial killer, because of that same reason

[Aeronaut]

Ok.

[Aeronaut]

I don't know anymore.

I feel like leaving him alive is going to be a terrible decision. Because say we have 3-4 scum remaining, if we mislynched today and he and scum both shoot town, we're endgamed.

[Aeronaut]

And let's be honest, lynching Marquis is going to be a mislynch.

[Aeronaut]

So no I don't want to do that.

[Aeronaut]

Yea. But he's shooting Goodmorning. So he's shooting a townie.

[Aeronaut]

At best I can argue that she wouldn't be this blatantly bad as scum, but even then shooting her is still fun.

....

You know this is probably scum though.

[Aeronaut]

Yea, shinobi it's the fact that you've been saying things like that all dayphase. I pointed out one earlier where you said something along the lines of "Let's lynch Kitz because it will be fun", which is a ridiculous statement amidst what's been going on. You're not putting much effort into lynching scum, and all you've really done in the last 5 pages is complain about how shit your wagon is.

[Aeronaut]

And let's be honest, lynching Marquis is going to be a mislynch.

How do you know?

Idk, I'm pretty sure he's town at this point. Aren't you?


@Shinobi, Ok. I gave my reasons. Now you can't complain about nobody giving their reasons anymore :D

[Aeronaut]

I'm actually extremely worried about both elusive and Ozgin because they've both pretty much withdrawn from the game and I really don't like that at all.

Aren't you in like a hood with him? Reach out or something

Also, looking at his on-site posting, his absence is pretty universal. So idk what's up there

[Aeronaut]

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... Yoshi takes top of page 200. That is all.

[Aeronaut]

@Ika can we request a prod of Ogzin?

[Aeronaut]

Actually, I'm being an idiot

UNVOTE:

Even if he's scum, we'll know tomorrow if he's lying.

TSO, if we all vote on a target for you to Vig, will you follow that decision? Because I'm not really congortable with a Goodmorning kill.

[Aeronaut]

If Marquis flips scum, who would you shoot TSO?

[Aeronaut]

Actually don't answer that

[Aeronaut]

I don't really agree with a mass claim, to be honest, especially with the possibility of two kills tonight.

Although I suppose if TSO's vig, it's good that if he knows who's a power role so he doesn't, you know, kill them.

I'm a VT.

[Aeronaut]

I think it's been obvious for awhile.

Hold on, what if the reason there haven't been two kills is because TSO tried to hit elusive?

[Aeronaut]

Maybe someone tried to kill elusive five times

[Aeronaut]

fifth times a charm

[Aeronaut]

Town = Marquis, GM, Silver

To be sorted = Kitz, Ogzin, Elusive

Scum = TSO, Shinobi, Dragonspawn, probably Cheetory. Yea.

[Aeronaut]

What's bad about it, TSO? You asked us to give scumreads.

[Aeronaut]

Ok

You said I was town like a few pages ago

But ok

[Aeronaut]

Sorry I'm not up to your standards this game bud

[Aeronaut]

Oh I see, you're turning around your reads so that you can kill me tonight because GM is no longer an option

Interesting.

[Aeronaut]

Ok

[Aeronaut]

... Because either way, you have a shot. It doesn't matter if you're scum or not at this point, we'd control who you shoot anyway.

[Aeronaut]

Um you'd do that for us so that we don't immediately lynch you

[Aeronaut]

To keep up the vig charade

[Aeronaut]

Ok, find that post where i said "TSO is town"

[Aeronaut]

I mean I'm just one vote

[Aeronaut]

Yep. Confirmed.

Why did it never open again, though GM?

[Aeronaut]

Yea. But extremely uncommon.

[Aeronaut]

My experience with GM in the hood is mostly why i feel like she's town this game.

[Aeronaut]

I think scum may have had an RC.

I don't think goodmorning's claim fits the bill.

What's wrong with her claim?

Town = Marquis, GM, Silver

What makes SilverWolf on the "totally town" list?

Because I feel like all of her interactions have been very genuine and not contrived. Usually I look mostly for artificiality in interactions and I see none of that with her.

SO few people talking about the Shinobi lynch while FA was pushed really quickly. Paranoia time?

I felt like a lot of people were talking about this, especially since he's the leading wagon.

Wait, goodmorning, walk me through your thought process there?

You didn't want to get me in a PT if you thought I was scum so you could firm up your read and then push it? Instead, you picked your townreads, and then with them and you in the PT you did ???

Um, well usually neighboring people makes people know she's a PR; So if she thought you were scum it only makes sense to not want you to know that kind of information.

@Ozgin: Have you been fighting with Shinobi?

No. I had a slight conflict with Shinobi but it was in a lousy bit of rage.

Remember what happened the 4 other lynches? "Me or another".

ERMAGUD IT REPETZ

This is 100% accurate to my feelings for the TSO/Marquis fight. However, I'm pretty convinced that TSO is serial killer.

Spoiler: TSO is the SK

Oh, you claimed an unverifiable role which happens to have the same powers as a Serial Killer?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........

So this post made me question whether or no TSO could actually be the SK or not, and whether or not his vig claim is legitimate. Because it is perfectly valid to debate whether or not a player is a Town Vigilante or a Serial Killer trying to leash himself as a vigilante.

Actually, the point about the vig is completely relevant - our vig had "presumably" shot scum on night 1, which shows they are a competent player and shouldn't have to be limited to doing the policy work of the town.

The MathBlade kill was also optimal last night, because ABR did not retract his claim - thus, the vig has yet to really slip up, reinforcing my point.

Interesting how he chooses a quote that happened way after the next four in this "wall of crumbs." This isn't a crumb, this is him saying "I'm about to claim vigilante because I've been setting this up for a while."

if MathBlade is Vengeful then why did ABR track her to Ellie? How has Math concluded that ABR has gone from 100% scum to town?

This has absolutely nothing to do with vigilantes. Seriously, how on earth is this a crumb to anything? It's just drawing unnecessary attention to MathBlade. Maybe this is where you started to get the bright idea to set up these next few quotes...

Can we all just talk about MathBlade's what-the-fuck stance for a bit?

This is in no way a crumb for a vig claim. This is, in my opinion, his SK-slip in this series of quotes. He thinks this is a crumb for him being vigilante because in 2 posts (next quote) he's going to set himself up to claim vig and shoot Math. However, this post, in and of itself, is just a gateway into attacking MathBlade/building town hate on MathBlade. This literally reads to me, "Can we all just start hating MathBlade so when I fakeclaim vigilante I won't get yelled at for killing her?

TSO you said you were townreading ABR a while ago.
Why are you voting him over Math if you think I'm right? :/.

Because either he dies from vig or lynch and the vig could do better than shooting him.

This is where he, very conveniently, is setting himself up to claim vig soon after. Notice how he doesn't even remotely acknowledge the likelihood of the scum team killing Math or even the SK.

So, let's get this straight: ABR got a result last night, which wasn't you, as town, and has decided to lie yet again... ?

Yep However when I explain it plainly and you do but attack what is clear it is frustrating.

ABR even said so.

The vig could do better and shoot you as ABR is town.

The vig is never going to shoot me - it's likely the vig is going to shoot you. If I were the vig, I'd already have the action sent.

This quote just sounds like he's setting himself up to claim vig the next day or two. I mean, this is screaming "Hey look, the vig is going to shoot MathBlade tonight!" *Stabs MathBlade* "See look! I'm the vig, here's where I admitted it!" Also, note that this is just 7 posts after the last post he quoted, where he's conveniently doing the same kind of setting up for a vig claim.

Crumbs. Last one especially relevant.

This whole things feels like TSO is trying to set himself up at the vig very conveniently. I think it's just as likely that TSO is the SK, and planned on killing MathBlade and using that kill as a set-up to try to conf-town himself. I believe he picked MathBlade because she was generally disliked, so he would easily be able to give some bullshit excuse when he claims vigilante so he doesn't get too much friction for it (and thanks to Aeronaut, that plan isn't working).

There were three kills in this game n1.
We have a Vig who shot scum n1.
I claimed the vig.
I showed my motivation for the n1 shot.
Ergo, I am town.

Just because you disagree with one of my shots, and you're retrospectively using that shot's townflip to argue your point, doesn't make me scum. It doesn't make me anywhere in the realm of scum. I have explained why I shot MathBlade. You disagree. Quite honestly, I couldn't give a fuck.

This is TSO getting really angry when his scheme to make MathBlade look like shit before his vig-claim set up isn't working. Also, there's nothing at all to say that you killing pisskop makes you town. You could have gotten lucky. Or, the real vig could have shot pisskop and you could have shot one of the other 2 people who died N1 and are just conveniently claiming that your shot was the one on the scum.

Stop your fucking set-up spec. Even if you think you know it, speculating on it has no benefit to anyone if you are town.

If you're scum, keep on speculating.

Lastly, this is the quote that basically says "Nobody go into setup spec because you'll then in turn be questioning me and I don't like suspicion!" I normally would agree that setup-spec is a bad reason for a scum read or a sk-read, but at this stage of the game it gets a little silly to think there are actually this many PRs.

Yea, except it's stupid to lynch him today on the off-chance that he's telling the truth. Even if he isn't, he's still probably going to shoot for scum regardless.

Aeronaut is still reaching to try and lynch our claimed vigi while directing his shot.

In what way am I trying to lynch him? That doesn't make sense to do today.

Fuck me, the quality of play is literally atrocious if you guys are town.

We have Ozgin, who's saying "hey thats not a crumb neither is that but that is you crumbing but maybe youre crumbing as sk!!!", where he took a gigantic post to come to the conclusion that, yes, I crumbed. That's it. That was the sum total of the conclusion.
We have Aeronaut, who's saying "hey i think you're scum but if you're not scum kill this person pls" because if I was scum, I'd definitely kill them, instead of, you know, someone who's actually a threat to me.

Etcetera.

TSO, the fact that you don't seem to understand what leashing an SK is disturbs me.

Props to you, Marquis. You've engineered a scenario where your team won't bus, which is the correct play, and you've also convinced enough town members not to lynch you that you can't die today.

I've played with scum Marquis before I'm pretty sure, and I don't see him as the evil mastermind you seem to think he is. Rather, he just seems extremely frustrated, and pretty town to me, at least this dayphase.

I think the best interest is to shoot GM so it can confirm the 2 others as town, OR as scum.
Unpopular opinion, but confirm outweights a lot.

How would this confirm anybody?

goodmorning's role is completely unclear and she needs to clarify it the fuck up.

What's unclear about it, exactly? I mean, she's a neighboriser, and she's used her action two nights. It'd be silly to reveal the shot information at this moment, so what else is there to clarify?

Mod, can we have a Votecount?

[Aeronaut]

Marquis-I'll look that over and get back to you.

OK, Let's say that we mislynch today, worse case scenario and TSO vig kills town by mistake and scum kills town as well.

That puts us to 8 alive tomorrow, which if there are 4 scum left alive is a sure fire win for scum. I don't know if there are 3 or 4 right now. In a game like this I could see a 4 or 5 person scumteam. With town OP'd who knows? Anyone have experience with typical scumteam size in Large Normals?

So, given this, and without a real solid scum lead, should we consider a NL or am I being dumb?

With the way my mind is right now, you will not insult me if you think I'm being an idiot. But perhaps a NL would be best now?

Then, worse case scenario, vig misfires, scum kills, that brings us to 9 tomorrow which could be a lylo situation but not an auto-loss because pisskop was killed and there is no way I'm going to believe a 6 person scumteam.

We have 4 days until deadline. Input, ideas?

I'm not going to be voting Marquis today. Best option today is Shinobi, who won't share his full reads with us, or really provide a lot of details of his thoughts outside of random one-lines which really don't hold a lot of weight with me. He keeps trying to milk that D1 "no track" read which doesn't conftown, and really can't be trusted much coming from ABR.

I'd like to vote Shinobi, but I have no idea what the VC is and I'd like to not accident-hammer. I believe he was L-2 last I checked.

[Aeronaut]

vote: Shinobi

Let's see a reads list, Shinobi. A full one.

[Aeronaut]

How does no vig claim = Aero scum?

[Aeronaut]

Eh, yea I've sort of lost some of my suspicion of dragon, just based on the fact that he really doesn't seem to know what's going on. He's sort of lurked in the shadows a bit lately though, so I might take a second glance there.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, you only mentioned like half the players still in-game.

[Aeronaut]

@shinobi

[Aeronaut]

So, what about dragonspawn? What about Ogzin? What about Cheetory?

[Aeronaut]

Marquis has literally no reason to bus Aeronaut in this scenario whatsoever.

Hmmmmm......

[Aeronaut]

TSO, why would you rule out the possibility of him being an SK, and me being scum, or vice versa?

[Aeronaut]

But in what world does that suddenly make Marquis town?