Newbie 1592: The Masquerade -- Game Over!

[Nero Cain]

Nero is also scummy, because he emphatically defended me when everyone else thought I was scum

Or I could have just you know, actually read your post the right way.

[juckter]

Overall reads:

Nero - Town. I like him analyzing thoroughly before jumping on easy bandwagons.
Stab - Town, please post.
Xay - Town, awaiting your catchup.
Ilhom - Null, I don't like your Stab case, seems nonsensical to me. Please explain it like I'm 5.
Futan - Scumish, I didn't like your interactions with Stab either. Awaiting more content before giving a more thorough read. Was your initial vote on Stab based only on Ilhom's case?
pist - Scum, you have constanly been jumpy with your vote, pulling WIFOMs to explain why you shouldn't be regarded scummy at all. I'm not buying that anymore, you unvoted Stab and then voted him again within 10 posts for no apparent reason, then proceeded to say he was scum for saying you're incapable of commiting to an opinion (he's right, by the way).

UNVOTE: Futan
VOTE: pistachi0n

[pistachi0n]

I didn't say he's scum for saying I'm incapable of committing to an opinion, I said he's scum for egging me on about it. The "I bet you'll vote on and off me three more times before the day is over."

[Xayzeck]

I don't like his posting today. I don't like how he moseyed onto the Stab wagon.

I can see the voting point, I don't see what's bad about his posting

Aren't those one in the same?

Futan's reaction to me calling him scum is much more muted then yesterday.

Nothing in his iso sticks out as scum besides the vote. Everything else is just, meh. I wouldn't call it scum, just unimpressionable

[Xayzeck]

Does his ignoring of your scumread on him make him more scum?

[Xayzeck]

fter reading that, understand that there is literally no reason as a town that you would want someone to get lynched before they have a chance to claim, but there is a reason for a mafia.

So let's say you're mafia, you outright say to town that you want to lynch this person whatever he claims, even if it's a PR.

Which alignment is more likely to say that, regardless whether they will get a claim?

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Futan

I can roll with this

[Futan]

Futan's reaction to me calling him scum is much more muted then yesterday.

Mind pointing out my multiple posts where I reacted to you calling me scum?

[insanity018]

Votecount 2.7

Futan

(2): Nero Cain, Xayzeck

(L-2)

Stabulous

(2): Ilhom, pistachi0n

(L-2)

pistachi0n

(2): Stabulous, juckter

(L-2)

Not Voting

(1): Futan

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-27 21:15:00)

[Futan]

Futan - Scumish, I didn't like your interactions with Stab either. Awaiting more content before giving a more thorough read. Was your initial vote on Stab based only on Ilhom's case?

Not at all. I didn't like his predecessors play, I didn't like Stab glossing over it

There is nothing remotely scummy about my predecessor, so stop pretending there is. The only thing he even did was make an RVS vote and then justify it by saying it was random

and I didn't like his

Why not try to lynch him before he can claim and make sure he flips?

His replies to all of that have lessened my scum read on him so I unvoted.

[Stabulous]

Sorry. I really should have v/la'd this past weekend, I'll post tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

Futan's reaction to me calling him scum is much more muted then yesterday.

Mind pointing out my multiple posts where I reacted to you calling me scum?

not what I said, bro.

[Futan]

not what I said, bro.

Explain it to me then, I'm not sure I understand.

[Nero Cain]

I said that your reaction is more muted, not that you didn't respond.

scum is in here

Tetaes
Megalo
Ilhom
Futan

So scum is either on the wagon, or is the wagon.

Tetaes (4): Megalo, Ilhom, Stabulous, Futan (L-1)

In your view, who is doing the bussing here ?

like this post seems p forceful and has an air of a light kickback.

I still read yourself and Xay as town. Leaning town on Stab and Nero, although Nero seems to have it in for me.

here this just seems like a shrug.

[Futan]

I said that your reaction is more muted, not that you didn't respond.

like this post seems p forceful and has an air of a light kickback.

here this just seems like a shrug.

K. I wouldn't have said it was p forceful, I was genuinely interested in who you thought was bussing as everyone on your list was either on the wagon or the point of the wagon.

A shrug, yeah ok. Responding with 'OMG I'm Town, are you crazy' isn't alignment indicative.

My vote was lazy, I'll give you that. At that point I still had a scum lean on Stab from our previous 'interaction' and was happy to put a vote on him.

Him then coming out and saying whoever hammered before he posted was scummy was in direct contradiction to his post that we should vote off Tet before giving him a chance to post. Tet had some time limit placed on him to post, I think it was 24 hours, I was highlighting that 22 hours had past. I should have added a smiley. I'm not sure who I was supposed to be egging on, other than Stab.

The longer the game goes on, the slower it seems to get, the more meh I become.

[Nero Cain]

How am I supposed to tell if you are uninterested town and scum active lurking.

If you liked Stab's replies, who do you want dead and why?

[Ilhom]

fter reading that, understand that there is literally no reason as a town that you would want someone to get lynched before they have a chance to claim, but there is a reason for a mafia.

So let's say you're mafia, you outright say to town that you want to lynch this person whatever he claims, even if it's a PR.

Which alignment is more likely to say that, regardless whether they will get a claim?

Him saying he would lynch a PR isn't my argument and I don't think it's something that is entirely alignment indicative, although I disagree with the play in most day 1 scenarios.

Overall reads:
Ilhom - Null, I don't like your Stab case, seems nonsensical to me. Please explain it like I'm 5.

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[insanity018]

Votecount 2.8 (unchanged)

Futan

(2): Nero Cain, Xayzeck

(L-2)

Stabulous

(2): Ilhom, pistachi0n

(L-2)

pistachi0n

(2): Stabulous, juckter

(L-2)

Not Voting

(1): Futan

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-27 21:15:00)

[juckter]

Wow, so slow.

@Ilhom: Please state your reads other than Stab.
@Nero: Who do you think is likely to be scum other than Futan?
@Futan: Overall reads if possible.

[Stabulous]

It's been more than ten minutes pistachio, isn't this where you unvote me?

My read is confident enough that if I'm wrong I'm ready to say "gg scum". I don't think we can lynch anyone but pistachio today. Her pressure against me is miniscule because she's afraid of my pushing back. She votes people expecting them to roll over and get lynched, and when they push back she immediately pulls the pressure off. That's what her stuff at the beginning of the game was- she knew she was putting him at L-1 but she didn't want to commit to "that's right, you're at L-1, now prove you're town"- she was just hoping we would kind of give up and lynch him.

Her scumread on Nero is nonsense and I'm trying to figure out why she posted it. Maybe to look town, maybe to create a false association.

Pistachio, what do you think about Ilhom's pressure against me- given that your entire read of me is that I "egged you on", something that one would have a hard time justifying as alignment-indicative.

[pistachi0n]

It's been more than ten minutes pistachio, isn't this where you unvote me?

And you say *I* am putting pressure on *you?*

Again, egging me on. What exactly are you trying to accomplish, Stabulous? Honestly, the main reason I haven't unvoted you is because of your taunting.

[pistachi0n]

She votes people expecting them to roll over and get lynched, and when they push back she immediately pulls the pressure off

Yes, I have been wimpy. I will avoid that in future games. I started the game thinking it was scummy to be unwilling to change your mind, it was a mistake, I've said that before, blah blah blah.

I'm a vanilla townie, not that you guys will believe me. I made some mistakes and I don't know how I can redeem myself, please just lynch me and get it over with so I can join a new game and play better.

[Stabulous]

I started the game thinking it was scummy to be unwilling to change your mind

But town doesn't care what looks scummy. For crying out loud said I would lynch a claimed doctor, I don't care if it looks scummy. One of the best case scenarios for a vanilla townie is that they find the scum, they say who it is, and they get lynched so everyone sees their post for the truth it is. It's different if you're a PR but you say you're not.

Why wouldn't you just replace out if you don't want to play anymore? Saying "ok fine lynch me" is playing against your win condition if you're town and rarely a successful defense if you're scum.

Also, why do you think you can't redeem yourself? You have some massive tunnel vision, I am the only person who is pushing hard for your lynch. Town is thinking about the entire gamestate- they have to win the game whether they get lynched or not- but scum has tunnel vision and is just afraid that they'll get lynched. I did exactly the same thing as scum in my first game here, Card Sharks if you want to look it up. Day 1 I had one person scumreading me so I blew a nightkill on them. Looking back it was nonsensical and I wasn't under much real pressure, but as scum I just couldn't see anything beyond "this person is voting for me oh god I'm gonna get lynched".

[Stabulous]

And you say *I* am putting pressure on *you?*

No, you're not, and it's about time you start!

[pistachi0n]

why do you think you can't redeem yourself?

How can I convince you I'm not scum? Your argument earlier was that I was changing my vote too much and not sticking to commitments. Okay. So I'm voting for you. I think you're scum. I think you're scum because you're taunting me with comments like this. I think you're scum because you say you'd lynch a doctor if they seemed scummy. I think you're scum because Tatsuya voted someone because "my sense just told me."