vonflare wrote:In post 525, elusive wrote:lalaladucks have you played Town of Salem? There's a role called Veteran and when the Vet puts on their bulletproof vest, anyone who targets them (scum or town) gets killed instead. It is pretty cool.
Is this a PGO softclaim?
If not, what does this post mean?
In post 575, lalaladucks wrote:
More broken promises
vonflare wrote:In post 525, elusive wrote:lalaladucks have you played Town of Salem? There's a role called Veteran and when the Vet puts on their bulletproof vest, anyone who targets them (scum or town) gets killed instead. It is pretty cool.
Is this a PGO softclaim?
If not, what does this post mean?
But why would he bring it up if it didn't mean anything?
I know you aren't asking me, but I'm pretty sure he was just talking about ToS - unrelated to this game. Not claiming a PR.
In post 436, DragonQueen wrote:VOTE: Unvote
No need to rush day's end anyway.
Mac, who was your last vote on? Was it us (DragonQueen)? Why didn't you ask any questions or do anything to further your read?
In post 580, Espeonage wrote:
(expired on 2015-04-25 18:00:00)
Searching for deathfisaro replacement.
In post 581, eyestott wrote:In post 436, DragonQueen wrote:VOTE: Unvote
No need to rush day's end anyway.
Mac, who was your last vote on? Was it us (DragonQueen)? Why didn't you ask any questions or do anything to further your read?
Kinda dislike this. I mean, if I had voted, it would've hardly been rushing. At thepoint I made that post, we had already had a longer than average day one.
In post 53, DragonQueen wrote:Random's still scum guys.
In post 55, DragonQueen wrote:In post 16, Randomnamechange wrote:/Confirm, still havent looked at my role PM.
This.
You can't confirm if you haven't read your role PM.
Weak but it'll get us out of RVS.
So we're wagoning Random to see what shakes.
In post 125, DragonQueen wrote:ika, I'm always town, all the time...yay for me.
Are you town?
I'm trying to sit back and kind of observe more but will chime in when I need to.
I did have a question for Mac, regarding ""why prawneater voted Creative over eyestott too""
Can you walk me through why you asked that or wondered about it? Thanks
In post 133, DragonQueen wrote:hey ika,
Its probably because I'm seeing the hydra as an opportunity to be quieter and try to observe and think more. I'm posting my thoughts and stuff in QT and trying to follow Titus' lead. The goal is to get better at scumhunting and making convincing cases. If you have any direct question ask, otherwise I'm going to try to stay out of here and be talky in the QT.
Hey eystott! Lalaladucks, eyestott made a Sylar inspired game too which was different. Also I just like lalaladucks as a playername, its fun.
In post 179, DragonQueen wrote:@Vonflare, love the discredit. Bus please. What can't come up with enough reasons to mislynch a townie so you gotta bus? You get no towncred for saying weak. Yeah, I'm rolling hostile to see how you roll.
This head is thinking Scripten/Vonflare/Futan/random has all the scums.
In post 215, DragonQueen wrote:In post 199, vonflare wrote:In post 180, DragonQueen wrote:Oh wait you might be.
I find it rich you act as if my ISO is supposed to be the epitome of profoundness when yours consists of jackshit.
10/10 defense would read again
"I'm innocent because you can't use my ISO as evidence because you just replaced in"
Actually, flare darling, I think my other head means that your predecessor's ISO is pretty bad\off.
In post 204, Scripten wrote:
So, some things I'm noticing and want to deal with:
DragonQueen:I'm a little bothered by your slot's contributions so far. You seem to have a... unique relationship with the Ika/vonflare slot. Do you have earlier play experience that might explain this? Likewise, you seem quick to jump in to defend Futan via chainsaw, which concerns me. Can you please give me some more meaty play with which to judge your slot? Right now, I have no reason to consider you town and several reasons to consider you scum.
VOTE: DragonQueen
Vonflare:I'd also like your input on the relationship between yourself and the DQ slot. I like that your thought processes align with mine, but I'm a little worried that my own confirmation bias is getting in the way of reading your slot.
Yes, me (elusive) and my other head know ika pretty well as in his meta\etc and RL. I know vonflare from Drawn on Arrival in which I white knighted him even though he was tricky scum. This is the first time I'm hydra-ing so its a little weird experience, I'm trying to not do what I did in DOA which is talk all over the place in thread and kind of hang back and use my QT more.
Thoughts so far:
randommidget - awkward first post that seemed awkward. Post #104 - "Also just realized ive never played with Ika town." This struck me as off because Ika's town and scum game are two worlds apart. He usually self-implodes as scum at some point so random's comment didn't strike me as true. I like post #148 but would have to know more about Creative to really know if that impression is true.
eyestott - posts #33,34, 38, #42 are all about RVS stage and theory yet he is kind of partaking in it but more passively? Also the excessive focus on making horse puns is throwing me off. eyestott what was your role\alignment in mafiacraft?
Creative likes colors, I see.
In post 268, DragonQueen wrote:Vonflare, are you seriously selectively reading?
We're tunneling RandomMidget because his 6 posts have no strong content and we're waiting for him to provide a reads list or some read on the game state. If he doesn't then he will be tunneled into oblivion. You're defense of him is also actually causing the hackles to rise so to speak because why aren't you telling him to give a read and stop sticking his head into the sand?
lalaladucks and creative and the colors (and also lalaladucks seems to not really discuss, for example, this thing going on between you, random, and us) strikes me as someone to look into but now until the random and you issue is gotten past.
I'm also wondering why you ask for most town player rather then most scummy but that's neither here nor there.
If you don't answer my or our questions, you will find that you are either being obstructive town or a scumfuck. And either way it gets unpretty for you. So reads and thoughts on other players and situations in the game asap vonflare.
In post 276, DragonQueen wrote:Scripten, you asked that at 2:55pm and now its 9:09pm, so if we were to confer and answer it would have happened by now already so lol or wat?
I think we've answered the question in #272 but to expand: No town knows for sure the alignment of another player. Unless Vonflare was stating that he was a mason or that he knew randommidget's play style intimately, his play is quite weird.
We're never 100% sure and town reads evolve as data is forthcoming but on a scale from 1-10, von seems like a 7 on the scummy scale because he gave a reads list with out explanation and seemingly random. Hard defense of a lurker is also just bizarre in general. Usually town will work together to question a player, here the opposite is occurring he's trying to defuse pressure and OMGUS big time.
Vonflare, reading comprehension can be difficult for some. It's clear that DragonQueen is the hydra of two female players (She) so therefore why aren't you noticing this obvious detail? It's like you want me to bite you.
Also, he played with me in DOA and should know that estival was very aggressive (its funny how scum or sk are usually the ones super pissed off at aggressive tunneling). I'm actually trying to tone down some of the aggression hence hydra but only when necessary.
In post 318, DragonQueen wrote:In post 316, pirate mollie wrote:okay mebbe i am a little abrasive
So are we but I mean its a game that is competitive and requires some abrasiveness.
I see two players so far trying to soft defend randommidget so I think that flip (if there isn't a replace) will be informational. Randomidget there will only be something to go on if you're active and asking questions. Right now what you're doing is preventing people from having much to go on with your slot. Therefore, fire away fire away.
I also feel better about Lalaladucks. In=depth stuff later this week.
In post 409, DragonQueen wrote:So, this game feels like going in circles with several players being busy\awol\prod dodging.
I'm catching up from everything from page 13 forward in one fell swoop, if I miss anything then let me know. My general MO is to ISO players so I'll try to ISO someone who has been off my radar tomorrow.
Thoughts on some posts so far particularly regarding random:
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In response to Scripten:
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Other thoughts on lurker aka the other one aka prawneater:
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In post 456, DragonQueen wrote:Mac, respond to my questions please.
Scripten, your case is crap and reaching to a degree that makes me wonder about you. Have you ever played with a hydra before? HYDRAS can talk to each other any time in their private topic. Not only that I chat with Titus so there isn't any "one head was unsure of the other" crap because guess what we're in contact whenever we want to be.
1. There is no scum slip. You are nonsensical. Titus is know to be an aggressive player. Case closed for worthlessness.
2 and 3. It seems like you may have difficult with the concept but possible scum or anti-town have to be pressured. I'm suspicious of vonflare because of his AWOLness and his scum game but I don't have enough to go on right now. I'm not really sure why scum hunting is a new concept to you or that it requires pressure.
4. What other strong scum read is there? Also voting random also led to a counterwagon, if you weren't following but I think you were, which is informative.
5. Wow so much shitty logic. It was clearly stated that I think random is being scummy and that vonflare is scummy for defending him. However, I have not gotten anything that was expected from random. Why should I move my vote? Scum have little fake votes that go nowhere, I follow through until I am no longer concerned.
Then too, your whole post is a nonsense becauseBad logic, contradictions, misrep reading of other players. I think Titus was right about you being a scumfuck. Aww...Scripten but you've been trying so hard.guess what you didn't vote me.
Particularly this crapfest by Scripten:
"Right now, I would rather lynch DQ just because of my previously aired suspicions on top of this post's thoughts, but Vonflare would make for a decent second choice. (And may be the more likely scum in the case of DQ and random being town, though that situation seems unlikely.) That being said, a randomidget lynch also wouldn't be terrible, since he's at best anti-town, but I have no intention of dropping my cases even if random flips scum."
Your scum reads are apparently vonflare, DQ, and random. You have no other scum reads here. All of these players have been entangled in a tunnel or pressure on each other but out of the entire thread you have only these three scum reads. You ignore many other lurker players for these three. Ok, that seems particularly underwhelming.
On day one, no one's scum reads are 100% accurate. Town proves this again and again and again with townie lynches on day one. Its possible to posture any try to pressure potential scum by claiming to have a strong read but really town is rarely lucky enough to. In fact, the only difficulty I'm having in managing this game with the others is that I haven't been able to look at all the players in ISO because of time\etc.
Oh and random, 448 is kind of what I was looking for in terms of having reads. It's a start but you need to post cases or reasons why. However, interesting choice of names. Go further, padawan. Also it seems you like the stick over the carrot?
Scripten #454 is another crappy post in which players who have no reason to bus each other on day one, as that is a terrible strategy for scum in general because you never know if town will pick up on one of the buses and follow it through, would engage in such stupidity. Your scum game must be awful if that's the kind of tactics you employ.
Another subpar post:
" If not random, then I'd lean toward pirate mollie's slot, then up to Futan, though I'm not scumreading either of those very hard."
Oh really? You aren't? Why not?
So you're saying that you would lynch DragonQueen, vonflare, random, or pirate mollie or Futan even though you aren't scumreading the latter two very hard and its possible both are to be replaced. You earlier state that the preference is DQ but then switch to random who indeed is looking like a possibly mislynch. Mind blown.now that is a clear scum tell. Oh and unlike you, here let's play:Contradictions,
VOTE: Scripten
Lalaladucks, why does it feel like you blow whichever way the wind takes you? Whoah there rubber ducky, you need to be squeezed don't you?
In post 462, DragonQueen wrote:In post 461, Titus wrote:VOTE: Random
Elusive, I'm taking over. It's clear Scripten's pushing your buttons.
VOTE: Random
In post 475, DragonQueen wrote:In post 473, Scripten wrote:
Okay, so here's my question. You realized that Vonflare was building a case on your slot, yes? In that case, why would you accuse him of not being able to build a case to mislynch a townie and, furthermore, accuse him of busing? I mean, if he's making a case on you and you accuse him of busing... surely you can see where I'm coming from?
Ok now I get it. You misunderstood.
I meant to communicate "Bus Random Please". You aren't going to mislynch me.
In post 478, DragonQueen wrote:In post 442, vonflare wrote:Who am I voting for currently?
Ok so I am 99.9% sure either random or queen is scum. It's not a TvT. And it's not a bus.
So which one are we lynching today? Or is it going to be a policy lynch on prawn?
This is the one post that gives me hesitance on Random and makes me want to lynch Vonflare. It's unexplained and terribly inconsistent.
Why is he so sure that one of us is scum? Why is he trying to force the lynch? Is he assuming that he can get me mislynched over Random? Wanting credit if Random flips scum?
Then he throws in the thought of a policy lynch on Prawn, despite Random contributing nothing.
It's sloppy at best.
In post 516, DragonQueen wrote:So, Mac working with your ISO:
1. Post # 290 - You vote us and state that you will "post later" presumably about why you vote us
2. Instead of posting a case justifying your vote, you interestingly ask creative to justify his "naked vote" but have not done so yourself yet
3. Direct quoting you, "Scumreading and voting someone are different things but if you're scumreading them, you need a good reason to be. Much like voting them." <- However, you have yet to do so yourself but are asking creative to produce cases and reads for his apparent naked vote.
Quick question: Have you played before with Scripten or Lalaladucks? Can you link to those games? Thanks.
4. Posts #334- 346, #381-384 are addressed to vonflare and feeling suspicious of him initially before moving onto a discussion of random but your vote stays on our slot, again no case has been developed
5. 428 - vote on random presumably for reasons from #384, "It is a bit distressing that he scumreads someone for attacking him and for defending him. I'm yet to see anything of real substance come from him with regards to a scumread."
6. #492 - Post to post that you will post **
7. #499 are a response to us questioning you. "Strongest townreads are Scripten & ducks. Still not liking DQ (pending reply to this post), random, vonflare and prawn as of right now." Also you push an actual lurker lynch (prawn). ***
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In post 290, Mac wrote:Scripten wrote:
I think Creative already answered this one.
What did you make of his reply?
I think the series of posts on page 9 from mollie are coming from townmollie but I need a bit more from her to be certain. her reply to creative in #214 seemed relaxed like she had nothing to worry about though.
Creative's #213 is another one to add to the bugging me category. very little mention of mollie in his ISO, aside from claiming mollie is saying the game is boring because she's scum, and yet he has her down as scum. Creative, can you explain where this read has come from?
VOTE: DragonQueen
I'm going here for the moment, and I'm going for lunch as well. I'll post later because I think post after post of quotes is going to be skimmed by people and not read.
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Skipping since his ISO is actually quite short to point 7.
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Lynching prawn is pointless, because unlike random, he has no content of note or associates.
Scripten, lalaladucks can answer as well about any games they've played together or with Mac. The hard town reads on each other at this stage in the game speak to something strange and at most one of those can be sheep but not all.
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In post 594, pisskop wrote:So what is the short sumaation of that? There is alotmore quote than content.
In post 591, Creative wrote:The fact that everyone on the game is wanting to lynch randommidget is very informative, not discarding the possibility of him being scum, but feels unlikely, i strongly disaprove lynching him today, DeasVail and Deathfisaro are on my sights.
Want to hear from people who are townreading vonflare your reasons for it.
