Micro 474: Over the Garden Wall Mafia (GAME OVER)

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Checking in

What's this recruitment thing

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Isn't that for scum?

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Oh yeah. So we policy lynch nacho?

VOTE: nacho

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This looks like an American show, not an anime

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It's by Cartoon Network

Hmm


I will probably finish my anime first


I am completed with index II pie

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I am completed with index II pie

did you enjoy it?

I watched it maybe 2 years ago or so (probably more, idr) and I'm still waiting for index 3. why they do this ;w;

If I recall correctly they just announced index 3

I have no problem with waiting, going to rail gun 2 soon

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Oh yeah. So we policy lynch nacho?

VOTE: nacho

while it's true I'd almost definitely recruit Nacho, I don't support any form of "PL x bc a lot of people would have picked them as scum". my vote on Nacho was entirely an RV.

Oh. Oh well. Thought it was going that way

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Later this year I think

Index 3 2015

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Oh. Oh well. Thought it was going that way

do *you* think it's worth PL'ing Nacho solely on the basis that a lot of ppl would pick him as scum? do you disagree that the recruitment system is subject to a lot of WIFOM re: popular targets and thus that the best course of action is to read ppl individually via play?

No idea lol. Nacho has a timer so he will die by lynch or by nk

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Nacho will slay the scumteam, so

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Because of the alignment change recruit mechanic

Roles are entirely unrelated to alignment



Well at least 1

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So rolecops suck

Just musing

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Is KAGAMI male or female

I may have been using the wrong pronoun the whole time

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why did you follow my apparent suggestion to policy lynch Nacho?

no idea lol

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btw

if therees a watcher in the game i require watcher support. watch me. thanks.

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unless u get the randomized scumbag one

but u can be conftown i guess

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like index III amirite???

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ok so pieguy is my first townread

anyone else?

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scumhunt me

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Is pie's scumgame even good though?

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Not trying to offend pie maliciously

I mean

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nacho is town

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VOTE: lia

Sing something

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Honey bee is town too < strongest townread

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Is pie's scumgame even good though?

My primary purpose of recruiting pie as scum would be to take town!pie out of the game. A big part of my scum strategy in a micro versus a large is that a micro is more heavily centered around finding places to hide, and removing town!pie from the game is guaranteed give me more viable pushes than any scumpartner would.

I don't understand.

So you would take pie just so that pie won't be town? Why not kill him n1 then lol

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town reads:
me
bee
pie
nacho
gaiden

null reads:
the rest


this will be an easy game

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yes

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did "y" stand for "why" or "yes"?

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because he is new and honest and obvtown

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he is cute

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Har the fck? Duduo wasn't in team mafia

VOTE: doduo

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I am town

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I lol at how you reference team mafia

Nacho mamma and alchey are here

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He wasn't in our game

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Whose team were u on?

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Also, fuck that game

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Oh, I see gr u did that mr dudo

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I get it I get it

Very punny

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lmfao

honey bee is obv town

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no, i get where doduo is coming from

its not the team mafia

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Ehh maybe. He's giving me a goofy impression so it's hard for me to state it as forced or just not trying. I don't know him, so i guess I'm taking that impressoin with a grain of salt. I don't think he would have mistaken the recruitment thing as something else as scum though.

^this is genuine scumhunting and/or thought

i dont see this coming from scum

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i'm town therefore ms is town therefore VOTE: nacho later bye

VOTE: MS NOPE NOPE NOPE

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pie

why are you playing so well in here?

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town:
Honey bee
SXTLHGaiden
pieguyn
Nachomamma8

Null:
ActionDan
Lia

Scum:
Alchemist21
Doduo (replaces notscience; marquis)

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alchey would have been more engaged/excited about this game at this point in time

i dont see that right now

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I've had 1 game with him as scum and he was pretty fucking engaged there. and iirc he prefers scum over town (? correct me if I'm wrong)?

yea i know he likes scum more than town

but his town game usualy has him figuring out stuff early.

i'll wait and see

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Doduo's thought process isn't inconsistent; given I don't really intend to read people based on recruiting-related things, I think it makes sense for someone to assume at first you weren't the recruiter and then push you anyway based on play.

doduo is posting garbage lol

and this is coming from me

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is this based around the read on you, or something else?

both actually.

iso him?

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viewtopic.php?f=52&t=59178

this is the game I played with Alch as scum. it looked like he was capable of figuring shit out early here. I'm waiting to see more from him as well, but either way, I don't particularly think this is a tell by itself.

lmfao

a notscience-hosted game

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VOTE: lia

Sing something

Is there a reason you switched to Lia?

No there wasn't

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your nose is in the wrong place

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i wish i could respond with "i don't like u" but it's more like just "i'm scared of you and my total inability to recognize when my read on you is right"

like i'm pretty sure you would still make that flavor claim as scum because you have the balls to do so. and i'd imagine in this scum mechanic it'd be a great way to fly in the face of the obvious suspicion if you were scum

but alas! i am going to sit over here and on ms because i actually have a good chance of being accurate there (also easier but plus points anyway)

awww i like you too!
i keep forgetting that notscience is the one i don't like

add ice to burn

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gaiden is conftown

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by pure odds alone,

he is 1/8 chance of being scum

thats low

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pleas spell otu the towntell then

Becuase there is like

5 posts in that iso

1 talks about the show
1 calls himself conftown
1 is this comment about being scared of pie

and then 4+5 are after the towntell

so do tell

what is so town about this

where is the towntell

the one about calling himself conftown

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The one I commented on

and the one I said I disagreed with

and was met with a no?

Okay.

i never said no

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true on that fact, i remember gaiden as the most useless lurker around


maybe he jus got a good role

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someone let me know how good is pie's scumgame

The above seems too good to be true

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The two most recent town games I had with him were: "w

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Oh yeah I killed two scum in there

Jolly good

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the problem is that a player is writing walls at page 8

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no, its just paranoia

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yea

including yourself

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i can read pv p well

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Cool, your avatar became a nice gif

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no I'm town

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He doesn't.

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no, its just paranoia

*which* posts, specifically, are making you think this? cos I'm pretty fucking sure none of my posts this game have been above par in terms of how much effort I've put in - so you thinking this doesn't make sense. it feels more like you're attempting to come up with fake paranoia on me in order to hopefully get me to town read you (or otherwise look town) as opposed to legitimately believing this.

That's not true. I think this is your best posting I have ever seen in a long time.

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The long ones

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Specifically, 196 and 197

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Honesty is the best policy, especially if you're terrible at lying!

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I don't want to die

I'm town PLZ believe me !!1!1!1!1!1

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VOTE: metal sonic

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UNVOTE: metal sonic

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VOTE: doduo

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you didnn't say that I ccouldnt

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can you defend me now?

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You may think that tree stumping me is a good idea because I am a fanstastic town player and my alignment is confirmed

But I will lose mojo quickly and probably get disengaged after 1-2 days!

But because I love the playerlist maybe I will stay a bit longer? No guarantees. I can only guarantee that I am town and will help out as long as I am alive!

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explain what?

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I'm at l-1 if I vote myself. A ninja can hammer

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Explain why pie is playing "so good" when, if you are town, the major thing he's been doing all game is absolute garbage

um, no? He looks freaking obvtown that's it's off the scales

breaking the scales is actually a bad thing!

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Why not claim

claiming is bad

lynching me is better than making me claim

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Why? There's more to this game than you think, and it might prove you town

proving me town is okay

but scum can cheat my role of I claim

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town:
Honey bee
SXTLHGaiden
pieguyn
Nachomamma8

Null:
ActionDan
Lia

Scum:
Alchemist21
Doduo (replaces notscience; marquis)

Still the same

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btw

if therees a watcher in the game i require watcher support. watch me. thanks.

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nope! It's worse than a mislynch

Nacho can hammer me so I can continue to talk in The game

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The best is still not to mislynch me though! Cause I'm not scum ^^;

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I remove my scumread on alchey

Doduo and ?

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PPS. I don't know who if anyone would have recruited Gaiden. That doesn't stop him from being the initial scum that recruited someone, and I don't think he Towntelled just by saying he wouldn't get recruited.

This is very town.

But I still think gaiden is town

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The alchey obvtown has arrived

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P.S. I can see the Sonic push, but I don't want him at L-1 yet.

PPS. I don't know who if anyone would have recruited Gaiden. That doesn't stop him from being the initial scum that recruited someone, and I don't think he Towntelled just by saying he wouldn't get recruited.

Who do u think picked ms then

Anyone that saw his performance in the Nightless may have recruited him. I'm not sure beyond that.

towntowntowntowntown

Alchey is town

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Let's lynch doduo they are spamming scum

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they have no ducking reads beyond "ms is scum lolol lololol "

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policy lynch bait at its finest

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Hello kettle I am pot and I am not black

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You are however a terrible hydra that does not sign

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Page top

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you are however throwing in bullshit because scum-me never gets caught day one

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First time a policy lynch actually goes through then

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It could explain why one of your heads it's rotating endlessly like a bunch of sticks

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:scumposting:^

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literally everything probably

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Nacho claimed his role already, and it doesnt look like a scum role though...


BUT! Recruited players have a role that is independent of their alignment! So scum can have a townie role! Hmm!

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MS, what's your read on Nacho? You're coming off very wishy-washy towards him.

You are correct.

I think he is town though. Not as strong as you or gaiden or honey bee now.

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that is a very cool idea

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the problem is that

if he is town, he will say yes

if he is scum, he will say no

which is not helpful for us

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am I being townread now

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what do you think of doduo?

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pieguy I swear I have never seen 199 before lol

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I don't know what to defend myself against because pretty much everything against me is pretty baseless

I have answered all your questions though pie <3

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how should I show you I'm town? Show you my role pm? Give you a hug? Post sonic GIFs? what?

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Lol when the heck did I have gaiden as possible scum so quickly?? Pretty sure I'm townreading him the whole time

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You are not wrong until you lynch me <3


There is always hope bae

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show me what you've done this game that comes from a town mindset

literally everything probably

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sooooo
what's up?

天使！！！

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pieguy why are you beginning to misrep me

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ok that is a terrible score

I had. No idea

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now that I am out of that Marquis large theme

I will pay attention to this game

But more importantly that chunk of homework I left aside because of mafia

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Holy shit, deadline is 19 hours? time passes fast. I was taking 3 hours to write 1/4 of that report that i need to submit by next week.


ok, i am town, i am going to take just half an hour to deconstruct pie's posts as he wishes then just let me be pls

i need a watcher on me if i survive the day

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fuck, its 12 mn

maybe 15 minutes

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ok so pieguy is my first townread

anyone else?

what have I done so far this game that I would be less likely to do as scum?

Dude, I don't know how you play as scum. If I do, it was veeeeery long ago, and I vaguely remember you suck as scum. I've only seen your towngames and I haven't played much with you recently (I was flaking in the taylor swift game and you know it; you caught AH and I caught Ika, but apart from spot-on reads I didn't do much)

I am actually quite paranoid of pie after i played against him as scum.
he is quite terrifying when he knows the flavor.

This comment here made me pretty nervous because then I will have to calibrate my scumhunting sense appropriately. A recent game (Twin Trap) showed me my scumhunting folly when I applied too high a standard for a player's scumgame that was utterly weak -- I overestimated his scumgame. If I underestimate your scumgame, it won't be great either.

Doduo's opinion of MS basically sums up where I'm at.

I don't see any kind of town approach in the way MS is playing this game so far. all of his reads have felt half-hearted - as if he's just making them up - and it feels like he's just posting a fuckton of stuff to look useful without actually putting any thought into the game. in my experience with MS, even his town reads have more to them and are more relevant to what people are actually doing than "xxx is cute".

This is baseless. Have you actually not seen me give the reason for townreading someone as "xxx is cute" before? Because it is a valid reason and you know it. Besides, I can hardly see you disagreeing with the Honey Bee read, his posts have come from a town mindset and are attempting to figure out the game. It's a shame that you are unable to detect the nuance in his posts.

how does "doduo wasn't in my game" make him scum? even discounting the fact it was possible (given you knew Marquis was in another game) he was following along with the other team mafia games - why, specifically, do you think him referencing the game you were in is more likely to come from scum than town?

Because I thought that he was lying. I was duly corrected when I figured out which game he was referring to, and even though town-marquis has every right to fear my scumgame, I don't see them approaching from a town mindset. They aren't trying to get a read on me or interact with me, instead they are trolling on a level even greater than I am (I'm not even trolling, or at least I don't consider myself to be doing so at this stage). If you do a quick ISO on them, you can't see any of their attempt to figure out the game, no townreads, only 1 <implicit> scumread "MS is scum" -- why? Not explained.

*why* is Bee obvtown and can you walk me through the Doduo read?

I'm not just asking you these questions for no reason.

Of course, I understand. You're attempting to get a read on me and to understand my thought process. Now take a look at what Doduo has been doing, can you say that they have been trying to do the same?

I'm looking through it again and I still have no idea what you're seeing here. I think his read on you is a really shit reason for scum reading him (I'm aware you have a lot of experience with each other, but I'm pretty sure I've read you right in every game we've had (?) - so I don't have a problem with him scum reading you for the same reason), and I don't mind the rest of his posts, either.

needless to say this doesn't make him town, but if I scum read him it will likely be for other reasons

Well, it's not so much the read on me rather than the LACK OF READ on anybody else. They're scumtunnelling so as to avoid providing opinions on other players in the game. That's what I think.

this seemed to imply you were open to the possibility of Gaiden being scum. I'm asking how this makes sense when you had just said he was "conftown" - it felt more like you were just agreeing for the sake of it as opposed to actually believing it

That's misrepresentative. Alchemist stated an observation about Gaiden and I corroborated it. I'm not sure how you inferred that it amounted to a scumread on him, especially when I've posted my reads list like 3 times in the game already.

Also, please don't be serious that you took my "gaiden conftown" thing literally. I mean, I've made the point, but seriously?

even if I suddenly start thinking you're town, how does that change the fact that all my posting *up to* that point would have been blatantly wrong?

It's fine to be wrong if you're being obvtown in the process

8 or so for MS-scum (bc he's blatantly BS'ing here. the only thing giving me pause here is, as you said, the possibility that he is actually this much of a derp and went amnesic recently - but while he can be a derp as town, it's never this fucking ridiculous).

I did get

amnesic

more derpy recently; lack of sleep and the stress of unfinished homework that was procrastinated from a lost Team Mafia. However, though that is a fact, I can't believe that you think that my play has been remotely ridiculous, I think I've been playing OK from my own standards. Not as good a game as Team Mafia, but better than a couple.

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marquis uses all lowercase (except for ALLCAPS)

Is this a fact? Because I disagree, I've seen him use uppercase more often, and when he goes supreme modding mode, his grammar is perfect. I have the belief that notty is the one using nocaps. They'd normally sign with squawk and quack, but I don't know why they aren't doing that here.

Tinfoil theory says that they are trying to obfuscate their posts from whichever heads.

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there are some exceptions to this but you can usually tell based on the timestamps

This is ridiculous, they're both americans.

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Pieguy, shift your vote to Doduo, please. I promise I'll be more productive than them, even if both of us are town. Pinky promise. With a cherry on top.

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Pieguy, go to Doduo's ISO and search for any read that is not MS, please.

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Everybody in the game has given a read on at least 2 or more players...

except Doduo.

That's definitely not from a town mindset. No attempts to solve the game at all. And you think I'm scum over him? Lol!

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Because I am town and people won't vote doduo maybe?

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Nacho... Bussing is SO strongly discouraged in a micro with 2 scums.

I can't believe you even came up with the idea that both of us are scum (together?! Seriously?!)

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I think that Nacho even considering that Alchey is scum, let alone my scum partner, is pretty freaking disingenuous and I wouldn't be really shocked if he was the scum recruit.

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tl;dr

357 and 360 are scummy as fuck and enough to point strong doubt

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Even worse is the idea that me and Doduo are scum together... WTF?

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actually no, the alchey read is worse.

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Alchemist, Honey bee and gaiden, I would appreciate it if you guys switched over to Doduo, thanks.

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I don't think pieguys's posts are garbage. I think that doduo' posts are garbage.

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What has ANYONE done that's been unfakeable?

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That's you. I don't think doduo is a good enough actor for that.

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What has ANYONE done that's been unfakeable?

The question is more important for you to answer because you are the one claiming me considering alchemy scum is scummy

OK, he's thinking about the game and I don't see bullshit in his posts. He is literally scumhunting and considering many factors for his reads. Don't see scum doing that.

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Also, literally no scum ever would try to push you in their own knowing that you're town.

That's unfakeable.

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Nacho... Bussing is SO strongly discouraged in a micro with 2 scums.

I can't believe you even came up with the idea that both of us are scum (together?! Seriously?!)

I've bussed day 1 and coasted in plenty of micro games

Actually... How the heck do you manage to coast till end game without anybody asking "Why isn't nacho dead?"

You probably got good PR shots... Interesting...

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That's you. I don't think doduo is a good enough actor for that.

Scrap this, Marquis is fully capable as scum. Don't think the hydra itself (troll style) can do it though, plus notty.

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I'd be a little bit shocked if Doduo flipped town tbh. The reason I have doubt is because nacho just took a shot at both of us "we are scum buddies" which sounds terrible and is pretty noncommittal.

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The most recent posts are... AtE.

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VOTE: nachomamma

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VOTE: lia

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Thanks for obvtowning btw

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<3

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the deadline is the first that is perfect for me

I will check periodically

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Because there's no point.

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VOTE: nachomamma

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I will be here at all times. This deadline is perfect for me once again <3 kagami

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that's silly, marquis

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Also, I'm not the police.

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that's silly, marquis

That's the point

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I am still town

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pie it is about time to change your read.

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holy shit pie I just reached out to you already I have. No fucking idea what I must do to get you to change now

Stop the act

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VOTE: lia

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holy shit pie I just reached out to you already I have. No fucking idea what I must do to get you to change now

Stop the act

I saw it. I don't have enough time at this point to break it down in depth, but nothing there was convincing.

Convince my fucking ass. I was fucking around.

We're out of time, I'm town, fuck whatever you think

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Vote anybody that's not me

Basically

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For fuck sake I am town and you are wrong but you are town so that makes it worse

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Literally the only reason that I have been so patient with you is because

~pieguy is cute~

that's enough of this already

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100% of the time a day 1 lynch on sonic is a mislynch on sonic

Fuck that

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it's ridiculous when Marquis can see it but not you

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change your vote before you crash

Tia

Pedit: ty

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Studies show that deadline lynches hit scum more often

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Than the main wagon composition for the whole day

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Uh, piss, I forgot


Well then

VOTE: metal sonic

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Yeah the home chapter thing

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Hammer now, nacho

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Excuse me?

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You think I'm town now or what

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Doduo is voting me

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VOTE: lia

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Honey bee is one of my stronger townreads. I will not support.

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VOTE: ms

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hammer me

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im l-1 i think

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ad , lia, honey, doduo, me


oh fuck

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nvm i dont wanna play anymore anyway


sorry kagami i tried

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well congratulations town!

you guys can be proud to be the first town to catch MS-scum day 1!

i'm really impressed by you pieguy, your read on me was so accurate, which was exceptionally pleasing coming from a hydra partner! the fact that you caught scum - me so early demonstrates your skill at reading me!

it seems like my scum game seems to be easier to catch after that meta delivery from Team mafia nightless! ah!

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great work nacho! you managed to totally ignore my ate and pull a deadline pressure lynch on me! if the deadline was further maybe i could still be alive... or not, since it was the close deadline that started giving you guys cold feet anyway!

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oh, how could i forget my absolutely great scumbuddy that is doduo? sorry bro, but the bus didnt work, you dont look any townier after it and it looks like our faction will experience a guaranteed loss! sorry!

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i derped and self hammered

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<3 piepie


loool doduo

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I remove my scumread on alchey

Doduo and ?

boo boo



<3 everyone! this game was fun with fun players! wheeeee


town could have done MUCH better though


interesting how this game is longer than ori...

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pls release the dead thread of love!

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and conf town