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Post Post #2450 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:52 am

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Vote: Nik


We haven't discussed it but I want, so...

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Post Post #2451 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:09 am

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In post 2378, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:
In post 2279, Nikanor wrote:
In post 2136, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:Nik seems oddly disinclined to post anything but flavour spec recently.

This is utterly untrue.

I am now going to set aside 30 minutes tomorrow to sort your recent posts (probably just Today's but maybe Yesterday's too) into two categories: 'actually playing the game' and 'flavour spec/fluff.'

It won't help because no-one will listen, but it will make me feel better.

Nik's posts from today:
Posts that are useful - (?), (?), , ,
Posts that could be useful but missed the point/are otherwise wrong/aren't developed - , (?), , ,
Setup spec/flavour spec/fluff - , , , , , , , , ,

Anything with a question mark could also have been sorted into the category below it.

At a generous estimate, literally half Nik's posts today have been fluff/spec and literally 3/4 have been useless.

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Post Post #2452 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:10 am

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And for the record this hydra head is V/LA for Orlando.

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Post Post #2453 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:20 am

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Basic reads before I go, in no particular order:
Town: Bookitty, Porochaz, VR, AP, Nero, Toogeloo, Brian, Axe
Scum: sangres, Andrius, Nik
Null: LLD, Snow, ckd
IDEK: PB, RIP, Mantis

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Post Post #2454 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:29 am

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Why are you voting Nik when there is more support for an Andy wagon?
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Post Post #2455 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:16 am

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i like nero less for his push on TWL
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Post Post #2456 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:18 am

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In post 2450, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:
Vote: Nik


We haven't discussed it but I want, so...

-still gm

i've changed my mind on Nik, since it is true that he was pushing for ooba screen, while BRO was being lynched. he's either the worst scum player in the world, or probably town



nikanor - what are your thoughts on nero?
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Post Post #2457 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:18 am

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Post Post #2458 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:19 am

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In post 2455, Mantisdreamz wrote:i like nero less for his push on TWL

really don't care.
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Post Post #2459 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:11 am

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In post 2458, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2455, Mantisdreamz wrote:i like nero less for his push on TWL

really don't care.

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Post Post #2460 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:16 pm

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In post 2451, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:
In post 2378, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:
In post 2279, Nikanor wrote:
In post 2136, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:Nik seems oddly disinclined to post anything but flavour spec recently.

This is utterly untrue.

I am now going to set aside 30 minutes tomorrow to sort your recent posts (probably just Today's but maybe Yesterday's too) into two categories: 'actually playing the game' and 'flavour spec/fluff.'

It won't help because no-one will listen, but it will make me feel better.

Nik's posts from today:
Posts that are useful - (?), (?), , ,
Posts that could be useful but missed the point/are otherwise wrong/aren't developed - , (?), , ,
Setup spec/flavour spec/fluff - , , , , , , , , ,

Anything with a question mark could also have been sorted into the category below it.

At a generous estimate, literally half Nik's posts today have been fluff/spec and literally 3/4 have been useless.

-gm

So if half my posts are fluff and spec, that doesn't really mean that I'm 'disinclined to post anything but flavour spec'. i.e. You're wrong and stretching definitions to try to justify your vote.
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Post Post #2461 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:18 pm

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In post 2453, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:Basic reads before I go, in no particular order:
Town: Bookitty, Porochaz, VR, AP, Nero, Toogeloo, Brian, Axe
Scum: sangres, Andrius, Nik
Null: LLD, Snow, ckd
IDEK: PB, RIP, Mantis

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I'll add this to your personal wrong/utterly useless pile.
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Post Post #2462 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:21 pm

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In post 2456, Mantisdreamz wrote:
In post 2450, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:
Vote: Nik


We haven't discussed it but I want, so...

-still gm

i've changed my mind on Nik, since it is true that he was pushing for ooba screen, while BRO was being lynched. he's either the worst scum player in the world, or probably town



nikanor - what are your thoughts on nero?

Nero's probtown. He was one of the first on the ooba screenwagon, his role seems town, and I doubt he'd forget about his own voting restriction as scum (town are usually way more carefree/casual about their votes than scum, so it's more likely he'd be careless and forget about his vote restriction as town).
His play has also generally looked town, but I can't really explain why.
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Post Post #2463 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:23 pm

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In post 2435, NotAnAxehole wrote:
In post 2434, Nikanor wrote:
In post 2429, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:My townread on Mantis is slowly dying. Dying.

It's obv that she's not reading the game, but she's skimming and trying to look useful rather than actually being useful.

Not realizing the sangres' screen was locked bothered me.

I could potentially see her flipping scum.

Sangres is bothering me because neither Fery nor Nacho is trying to sort us out, which is awk af tbh.

~Mala

How is Mantis not being useful a scumtell when it's obvious that she's not reading?
I also don't know how her not knowing that sangres was screened is scummy when again, it's obvious that she isn't reading.
Like, you imply that not reading the game is a null tell, and rightly so, but then you go and call her scum for these two things that can easily be attributed to not reading.

I'll have to get to my reads tomorrow as well.

Also @ the mantis situation, I think the point which was brought up was more the attempting to provide content while not being caught up whereas most people in the thread are either catching up or not posting at all. I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative, if it is, I would need some examples that back it, because I don't know enough about forum mafia. I'm not at all convinced that's the motivation behind mantis' posts (to try to look useful).

It isn't a tell. TWL is full of shit.
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Post Post #2464 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:42 pm

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In post 2428, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:I scum-hunt just not the way you do. I go for townreads and go from there.

This must be how you scumhunt as town, because in this game you haven't been giving many town reads at all. Observe...
d2: Mantisdreamz (Stranded with on d1, meta read, town read disappeared d3), AngryPidgeon (Stranded with d1), Brian Skies (After he claimed watcher), ooba (Who was scum), Lady Lambdadelta (Gut read, town read disappeared d3, willing to lynch).
d3: ValiliaRei (After she was practically cleared by Brian)

Basically the only town read you've given that hasn't evaporated is on AngryPidgeon. So if you usually scumhunt by finding town, where's all the scumhunting at?
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Post Post #2465 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:46 pm

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Edit: The only town read that isn't obvious, obviously.
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Post Post #2466 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:46 pm

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In post 2462, Nikanor wrote:
In post 2456, Mantisdreamz wrote:
In post 2450, THE WRONG WAGON wrote:
Vote: Nik


We haven't discussed it but I want, so...

-still gm

i've changed my mind on Nik, since it is true that he was pushing for ooba screen, while BRO was being lynched. he's either the worst scum player in the world, or probably town



nikanor - what are your thoughts on nero?

Nero's probtown. He was one of the first on the ooba screenwagon, his role seems town, and I doubt he'd forget about his own voting restriction as scum (town are usually way more carefree/casual about their votes than scum, so it's more likely he'd be careless and forget about his vote restriction as town).
His play has also generally looked town, but I can't really explain why.

scum can also "forget" about their restrictions.

i'm sure he was aware of what he was doing

i dunno, if TWL and LLD are town, nero looks bad, i think.
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Post Post #2467 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:52 pm

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In post 2466, Mantisdreamz wrote:scum can also "forget" about their restrictions.

i'm sure he was aware of what he was doing

i dunno, if TWL and LLD are town, nero looks bad, i think.

I mean, yes? Of course he could. But what'd be the point of refusing to test his restriction earlier (d2), and then faking a slip on d3? I just don't really buy the whole orchestrated magnificent bastard bit.
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Post Post #2468 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 1:26 pm

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In post 2467, Nikanor wrote:
In post 2466, Mantisdreamz wrote:scum can also "forget" about their restrictions.

i'm sure he was aware of what he was doing

i dunno, if TWL and LLD are town, nero looks bad, i think.

I mean, yes? Of course he could. But what'd be the point of refusing to test his restriction earlier (d2), and then faking a slip on d3? I just don't really buy the whole orchestrated magnificent bastard bit.

cause why not

it's really not that farfetched or anything. the point would be to look town for it. he's my on the burner possibly maybe scum read....


i am just not so sure of LLD and TWL being scum. LLD is doing more stuff. and i'm buying into Mala's frustration.

i will never let go of my sangres suspicion :?
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Post Post #2469 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 1:27 pm

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In post 2466, Mantisdreamz wrote:nero looks bad, i think.

So if TWL flips scum should we lynch you? What makes you think that TWL is so townie that my push on her is bad? Why am I "scummier?" than the others that think TWL is scum?
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Post Post #2470 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 1:31 pm

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because even what TWL said, sangres hasn't really been trying to figure out their alignment.

i guess i'm still waiting for them to look super duper town. and it has not happened.
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Post Post #2471 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 1:36 pm

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In post 2469, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2466, Mantisdreamz wrote:nero looks bad, i think.

So if TWL flips scum should we lynch you? What makes you think that TWL is so townie that my push on her is bad? Why am I "scummier?" than the others that think TWL is scum?

i am not entirely certain that TWL is not scum. nikanor pointed out that they really don't have a lot of town reads... which i agree = not good. however, like i said before i think i may be buying into mala's frustrations. i asked you before why you had them as scum, but you didn't respond.

you *have* recently responded to them in particular, and said things that you did not like about them. but...

i don't know. those were recent quotes... and even though you responded to what you did not like about them. it doesn't really explain what made you think they were scummy in the first place.
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Post Post #2472 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 2:34 pm

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So you don't think the TWL slot looks "super duper town", however, I am also scummy for thinking the same thing as you? :facepalm:

In post 2471, Mantisdreamz wrote:like i said before i think i may be buying into mala's frustrations

This seems pretty nullish to me. I think fake frustration or being frustrated over something that there's not really a need to be frustrated over is scummy. True, Mala seems frustrated for no good reason all the time...like that last game we played, there was a player named Neil and according to his own words (in endgame) he had decided to intentionally play scummy to not get shot. Well during the course of the game I suspected Neil who was basically baiting me into thinking he was scum...so anyways, Mala just started throwing a fit and yelling at me b/c I didn't have the same inside information that she had but I would think that her being "frustrated" would carry over to her being scum or are you saying that when she is scum she doesn't show frustration? Like I haven't (and don't really have any intention to) metadive her and I don't remember playing with her as scum so please explain the differences between malatown and malascum.


I've said about 2 or 3 times that the reason that I originally found them scummy 'cause Mala tried to write off Brian's guilty as fake. I'd really appreciate it if you'd read the game.

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Post Post #2473 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 3:24 pm

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In post 2455, Mantisdreamz wrote:i like nero less for his push on TWL

That's strange, because I like Nero more for his push on TWL. It shows that he's actively scum hunting.
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Post Post #2474 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:54 pm

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In post 2472, Nero Cain wrote:So you don't think the TWL slot looks "super duper town", however, I am also scummy for thinking the same thing as you? :facepalm:

no sangres doesn't look super duper town
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