Micro 483: The Phantom Menace ABANDONED

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I don't give a shit about Supreme Chancellor. Whoever wants it can have it. I do want to be Vice Chancellor, though.

Vice Chancellor: TellTaleHeart

I've vote Supreme Chancellor for whoever votes for me first.

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Vice Chancellor votes probably aren't too important for analysis but once we get into Supreme Chancellor that will be interesting.

Unpack this a little bit. What about SC is particularly interesting?

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Why are you self-voting for Vice?

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Why are you self-voting for Vice?

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Who else would I vote?

Me.
Especially if you think it's no big deal anyway and you're ho-hum about it.

Supreme Chancellor: vettrock
Vice Chancellor: vettrock

the safest votes.

If by "safest" you mean "lamest," yes those are safe votes. You can't possibly be both anyway so that's pretty silly.

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I see nothing in the setup that disallows being both. I'll gladly be emperor.

Why are you being so critical about selfvoting for Vice? I mean you did the same thing, why?

I just kind of assumed.

Mod: Can the Vice Chancellor and the Supreme Chancellor be the same person at the same time?

I'm not critical about self voting for Vice. I'm critical about pooh-poohing the importance of Vice and

then

self voting.

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Supreme Chancellor: vettrock
Vice Chancellor: vettrock

the safest votes.

You are voting for yourself because that's safe?

Voting for myself is as good of a place holder as anyone else.

If someone else wants to support me for Supreme, I'll vote them for Vice....

Deal.

Supreme Chancellor: vettrock

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Sure, but you asked the wrong question. He didn't say that the VC is unimportant, he said that the votes for VC are unimportant.

Semantics, semantics, semantics.
If he really thinks it's unimportant, vote for me and be done with it instead of talking in circles.
(Just in case you haven't figured it out, I'm not criticizing as much as I'm strong arming people into voting for me.)

TTH, at this point (early as it is), who would you vote as VC if it couldn't be yourself and why?

No one, I'd let the clock run out and the RNG pick.

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I don't understand you.
Since everyone is "equally bad" according to you (because a randomized pick is either worse than a normal pick, when you choose someone, or the same, when every possibility is equally bad (or good)), why don't you roll a dice for example? What's the point of not voting?
There's only one benefit: people won't "accuse" you for voting for a player. You don't have to take "responsibility" for your vote...

Finish the accusation, ellipses man.

By the way, I am voting.

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Since everyone is "equally bad" according to you (because a randomized pick is either worse than a normal pick, when you choose someone, or the same, when every possibility is equally bad (or good)), why don't you roll a dice for example? What's the point of not voting?

I will return to this question when the answer comes out.

The the question is based off a hypothetical premise that I'm not entertaining.

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Does this simple process answer include the ridiculous assumption that reads formed in under 3 days are going to be better than random?

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why do you wanna be VC?

Because the VC controls the flow of the day and I think it's important to have town at that position.

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I'm not critical about self voting for Vice. I'm critical about pooh-poohing the importance of Vice and

then

self voting.

Sure, but you asked the wrong question. He didn't say that the VC is unimportant, he said that the votes for VC are unimportant.

@Bulge: Care to expand on that? I mean VC is the one who targets who to lynch each turn, that seems way more important than a silly semi-lynchproof GC.

I was talking about analysis of votes. I didn't think it would be alignment-telling to want VC, since directing discussion is more of a personal pride thing than game-related, whereas SC has actual concrete mechanics that could benefit scum.

Although looking back at it now, leading the town in discussion would certainly be a plus. Hm.

"I don't think VC is big deal. However, I will take this opportunity to cock block the gamestate by forcing a 3-3 wagon tie. Suck on that, TTH!"

I get it...

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All of those feel like traps. X\

If I had a vote it would go on The Bulge.

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Besides like, snubbing you during voting.

XD
I'm not

that

much of a vindictive bitch.

Other stuff.

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:S

Would you like to give that another shot, hon?

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I never turned away all VC aspirations. :\

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The same person can't be SC and VC.

So......what's your point?

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what stuff

It probably won't make much sense to anyone else but here:

Trying to wrap my head around the mechanics. This should be interesting.

I'm half-expecting the elections to look like that scene in the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie.

Vice Chancellor votes probably aren't too important for analysis but once we get into Supreme Chancellor that will be interesting.

Vice Chancellor: The Bulge

This mostly trips my gut instincts about people who talk about how "interesting" something will be. The lack of a follow through when the voting was actually going on makes me think he was just saying this stuff as filler.

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I disagree.

Happy birthday. ^_^

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(Just a side note: I happen to have experience with both Flames and vettrock who tend to draw heat. This is why I call them trap scumreads.)

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That kind of theory discussion is general and doesn't really require much thought. I don't consider that follow through. Commentary specific to what's going on in the game is follow through to me.

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Motion to relieve The Bulge of his position

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Bulge, I'm starting to take this avoidance a little personally.

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Ehk. I don't really like this. It makes your later response look like you just cherry-picked it from my ISO to justify your motion.

So, how do you feel about my motion coming

after

my explanation.
Also, why are you lurking?

Also, I support the motion against Count Dooku

Why?

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Prediction: We won't see the Bulge again until he's either due for a prod or about to be due for a prod.

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Spoiler:

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The problem with removing the bulge is that it gives us very little information.

Well, let's fix that.

Let's have an informal vote, right here and now. In their next posts, everyone says which way they would vote and (preferably) reasons to go along with it.

Yay

I've already said why the first post gave me a gut scum read and the fact that he's not posting in this game while being active in GD strengthens the read.

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That's just the same as a FoS vs. an actual vote. FoS, gauge interest, then when you realize there isn't much, you pull an explanation out of your ass. I'm not saying it was a bad explanation in itself, I just don't think it was genuine. Not sure if that's necessarily scum-mindset but igmeou.

This is baseless, self-serving, speculative drivel. I left the read at around 3 a.m. my time and did the explanation the next day when I was more awake.

There are so many disconnects in this argument, though. I don't even know where to begin. Why would there being "no interest" mean I would have to give an explanation? As if "interest" wouldn't require one? Why would I "gauge interest" in the first place? And you don't know if it's a scum mindset but your logic chain says I'm making it up?

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TTH has the fire in her belly.

*looks at watch*
Great.

Now, with 20 hours left and no one actually saying anything, can we light one under your ass?

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I don't like how harshly you reacted to Bulge's statements aimed at you, TTH. Calling it self serving drivel or the like (phone posting while visiting my folks) isn't valid. It's an overreaction at least. I think you're clouded by this "you are scum a day everything you say is lying manipulation" filter that you've set before your eyes. Bulge's comments to you could have been made by a townie, in innocence, though (from your perspective as a "confirmed town") mistaken.

So he randomly gets the benefit of the doubt but I don't?!

What the fuck is this bullshit?

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vettrock > dookie/bulge > flaaaaaames

Damn straight that ain't winning you any paragon awards.

Justify this list. Starting with vettrock.

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VOTE: TTH

I'm checking with UT to see if I can post what I said in chambers last night or if I have to paraphrase.

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I have to paraphrase. But unfortunately, I don't have time to type it out right now since I have to go do other things. In the meantime, if either of my lovely chambermates would like to take a crack at it that would be wonderful. ^_^

Also in the meantime, I would like to let Oman know that just because he's condescending and patronizing instead of coarse and vulgar, it doesn't mean he's better than I am. :3

Toodles.

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UT, I'm replacing out.

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I was going to restate all my problems with how you treated me Day 1 (that I outlined in the chambers PT), but I think it's going to be an exercise in frustration and we're still not going to be on the same page. I don't think I'm up for the task.