Mini 1653: A Game of Pokes - game over

[Wickedestjr]

Jesus Christ not this again. You continue to spin this "never voted a scumbuddy" thing to however it fits your argument when clearly what we have been talking about FROM THE START (and what's relevant to this game!) is whether or not I have ever placed the lynching vote on a scumbuddy.

1. No, this is wrong. I was never interested in hammer voting specifically. I was interested in your general bussing history. In post 1122, I said "I just want some insight into your bussing history...". No mention of hammering. Later in our conversation, this occurred;

And the answer is, of course I bus buddies as scum. Everybody busses. Which is why it's a ridiculous question. The question you want, if it's a legitimate question, is "have I ever lynched a scumbuddy" and the answer to that is no. My games list is in my wiki entry.

What specifically do you mean when you say "lynched a scum buddy" ?

I mean "voted to lynch a scum buddy."

So you are claiming that you have bussed a scum buddy, but never voted for a scum buddy?

Clearly I wasn't interested in hammer-votes specifically. I just wanted to know if you had ever voted for a scum buddy which is exactly what I said. If you were town, you would have just answered this (simple) question clearly and said "That's wrong, I HAVE voted for a scum buddy", because you have. But you didn't and you are scum.

IN THIS GAME, IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR ME TO HAMMER VIKINGFAN IF HE IS MY SCUMBUDDY.

2. This is another instance of scum-massive trying to confirm himself as town. I don't care that you hammered. Want to know why I don't care?

Because you didn't even KNOW that you were hammering.

Remember this;

My hammer: I saw FA's post at the bottom of 43 and thought I was posting immediately after it. I didn't go back and see there were additional posts until I saw some non-FA post immediately above my posted vote.

You are more competent than this. You cannot exhibit an accidental action and then say "oh, I'm town, I wouldn't have done that as scum" when the action itself was ACCIDENTAL. You are scum for trying to confirm yourself as town using this awful logic.

I HAVE NEVER HAMMERED A SCUMBUDDY.

3. This is also a lie. See this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=9170
massive and neko were scum partners.

Spoiler: massive hammering a scum buddy

I'm more than happy to hammer.

Just to quickly counteract EA's thought process: Given that the town has been REALLY weak up to this point (a weak doctor and no information roles), it was highly unlikely that there wasn't going to be some sort of information role reveal today. At five people, the best info we had to go on (starting the day) was who afatchic might have protected. I'm sure the Mafia have already thought about this, but Neko was definitely on the "possible" list. I think qwints's "attack" on neko is a distraction. I don't think they could have won the game without attacking one another here.

vote neko

Vote Count
neko2086 - 3 (stef, Erratos Apathos, massive)
massive - 1 (neko2086)

neko had spent the previous few days looking shifty. He'd spent much of the week debating his points from on top of the stepladder that he carried round with him, and speaking with a similar accent to Joe Pesci. Too similar for most folks' taste it seems, because it didn't take long after the group began opening up for them to conclude neko2086 was doing his best to make them all be dead. It's massive who finally decides enough is enough and shoves neko into the town fountain. Alas, his tiny legs are too weak to keep him afloat and he drowns. A quick search of his teeny body reveals a pair of binoculars, he must have been a

Tiny Mafia Watcher

. The town rejoice and head for bed. Or for the nearest bar and then bed. Or the nearest bar and then a kebab and bed. Or the nearest bar, a kebab and then the gutter. We've all been there, there's no shame in it...

It's now Night 5. I'd like to get the day rolling as soon as possible so that we can let Day Five roll over Christmas

Vote Count
massive - 2 (qwints, Erratos Apathos)
qwints - 1 (massive)

massive isn't above a little pleading to keep his life. Even after EA and qwints decide that he's the only remaining threat to their town's miniscule population he refuses to go quietly into the night. Alas, his voice is a little too high pitched to be trustworthy and before long he's face down, and twitching in a pool of his own teeny tiny blood. He was a

Tiny Mafia Goon

, and he deserved his messy death (not shown). Snow starts to fall, and sleigh bells can be heard for some reason. The town is safe for now. Until the citizens start trying to solve all their problems wit murder anyway...

Your next defense is probably going to be "OH, that game was soooo long ago, I forgot". Well, when you claim, in all caps, that you have never done something- you better be sure that you're telling the truth- and you weren't.


4. You should have been more specific when you said "voted to lynch" because it doesn't immediately imply hammering. "Hammering" is one word and easier to write out than "voted to lynch", yet you chose to use the latter, more ambiguous phrasing. Voting somebody, in general, implies voting to lynch them. For example, when I

Vote: massive

I didn't just hammer you, but I AM, most certainly, voting to lynch you.

[Formerfish]

I am working on some vca right now, I should be able to post something by tonight or tomorrow at the latest.

[massive]

That is a lot of work you did there. I am the doctor. PLEASE REDIRECT THIS ENERGY.

I'm now thinking Fitz is one of the remaining. I saw some stuff at the end of D3 / beginning of yesterday that didn't sit right with me but I really need go settle in and reread some stuff.

[Wickedestjr]

If somebody has a protective role of any kind, they should claim right now.

[havingfitz]

Massive...what were your night actions? Why no save on random?

[Formerfish]

No offense, but fuck the no Rando save. Massive you can effectively clear someone by outing who you protected the kill less night.

[massive]

I'm not saying anything until Kop and Aristo confirm me.

[Aristophanes]

I'm not saying anything until Kop and Aristo confirm me.

Confirm you?
In what way sir?

(Will see if I missed something, but I fail to see how I may do so)

[havingfitz]

I'm not saying anything until Kop and Aristo confirm me.

Confirm you?
In what way sir?

^ this

[Formerfish]

I know what he means, but I'll let him explain it in case I am off base.

[Aristophanes]

Okie dokie...

Well, um, should we continue the massclaim or...?

[massive]

Because I know I'm the doctor, and I didn't expect Aristo or Kop to counterclaim me. Hence >> confirm me.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, okie dokie.
I'm not the doctor.

[Aristophanes]

Kop has already claimed Vt (well, Kel did, right?)

[Wickedestjr]

I think we should still mass claim. Massive, want to pick someone?

[Aristophanes]

The only ones left are you, me, fits, and fish.

Wanna just get ourselves going and wait on them?

[massive]

Wickedest, go ahead.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay, I'm a VT.

Formerfish.

[Wickedestjr]

massive, who did you protect?

[Formerfish]

I was told I'm some sort of PR. I don't want to get into it much, but there was a voice and a vote involved. Wait a minute, fuck I'm a vt. Explains why all my attempted night actions failed.

[Aristophanes]

You're gonna have to give us a little more than that, but for now,
I'm vt.

Popcorn to Fitz.

[massive]

Right, I keep starting this and forgetting about it for some reason.

N1: Wickedest. I had good townfeels and thought he was speaking articulately and intelligently, backing up his Monkey wagon with fairly decent reasoning. He was making pretty much zero noise, providing all good posts.

N2: Wickedest. With both D1 wagons revealed as town, Wickedest was even more likely town.

N3: Random. I told Iknal I'm going to be really sad if Wickedest ends up scum and THIS ends up being my moment of genius in this game. Vikingfan was exposed as scum meant Random pretty much was confirmed town, which made him the top scum target.

N4: Aristophanes. Knowing scum knew there was a doc out there, I figured they would start doc-hunting and not take a second shot at Random. I mean, they had to, right? Leaving Random in the game is like leaving Kop in the game at this point -- they aren't providing any content or trying to figure the game out, which is exactly what scum want in endgame. Aristophanes looked the most doc-like to me from the outside.

[Wickedestjr]

I was told I'm some sort of PR. I don't want to get into it much, but there was a voice and a vote involved. Wait a minute, fuck I'm a vt. Explains why all my attempted night actions failed.

Hmm... did you breadcrumb this anywhere?

[Formerfish]

Ari, Wicked, hi guys. I feel like neither of you actually read my whole post. Wanna take a second and do that for me?

[Aristophanes]

I did, and reread it a few times. What am I to garner from it?
You were told you were a PR but nothing you do does anything and something about a vote and voice.
I don't know what any of this is supposed to mean.

Did you read the wrong pm, making you actually a vt or are you guessing this because your night actions did nothing?