Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[Aristophanes]

Greetings!
I shall read up soon and respond by the end of the weekend.

Anything pressing I need to know while reading?

[Aristophanes]

Oh good. I'm not the only one who read RIP as scummy while reading over this.
VOTE: RIP

Phone is about to die, will have a proper post once I'm home.

[Aristophanes]

I'm sorry about low content in this spot and will post after work.

Rip, please. I just got into this spot and spent the weekend slowly catching up. Weekends suck for me and it wasn't easy, so my post was minimal. Boo-fucking-hoo. I'll make my next one count.
Now would you please stop saying we are lazy and play badly? We play differently, but you're being a straight up jerk.
If you'd gone "Ari is lurking and Prawn was inactive, we should policy lynch them" you'd get more from people than "man you guys are lazy. We should stone Ari but I guess it's normal here."
Knock it off and you'll maybe start to fit in.

Also, all this softclaim/massclaim stuff is dumb and I think playing a game is more fun than solvong it.
And how is anyone confreading anyone right now??

Rip, the bit about you being able to confirm Jingle really feels like trying to force a claim and I don't like it. Feels very scummy to me.

As I say, more later. Had to get this stuff said though.

[Aristophanes]

Also Rip, if I should be stoned, PL'd, or am likely to be scum, why no vote?

[Aristophanes]

Was nit intending to discredit RIP due to lack of charisma or whatnot. I had limited posting time and thus said what I cohld at the time . I was also just trying to help him out for the furure...

One sec. I'll do a post.proler and stuff.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I just get the feeling RIP isn't trying to figure anything out.
His vote is stilk on Jingke despite the apparent town read. He is calling for my lynch but waiting for someone else to vote first. He is chaining lynch possibilities. I see lots if EtA and little actual questioning on peiple.
I doo no reasin to townread, or wven nullreal, this spot.

RIP, who are you scumreading and why is your vote stilk on Jingle?

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE:
That claim was tight. I have to reevaluate things.

Strong town read on Heartless, Rip is okay with this claim here.
I have to reread for more reads. Sorry guys

[Aristophanes]

Ohey! KJ is here!
You've given some town-vibes, how about some scum-feels?
(Yes, I'm mostly asking because you fucked me hard last time we met )
Who's your biggest scum read atm?

Also, I'm here, with a beer, and ready to read back.
Once I've read things I will Iso as necessary and likely vote someone who's scummy AF. Just don't know who that will be yet.

Sooo sorry for my inactivity.

[Aristophanes]

Not fond of MMWW, but willing to give KJ a chance. Scratching MMWW's oddness and starting at a null read. As I say though, would like some scum reads from you.

Jingle and Rip should at least live the day. I see no reson they should die atm.

Heartless is town reading to me. I like this slot.

Everyone else deserves a hard look-at Imo. Will see what I can do in my limited time here.

Flames seems scummy. Only has tyalked about jingle and Rip. What are your thoughts on other players?
Why should we lynch Jingle today and Rip tomorrow? Please expand on tiis thought.
You really seem like you're just trying to look active without ding anything.

Yakko, you criticize Rip for a lack of analysis, but you yourself have none. What are your reads? Your vote is still on MMWW/KJ. Do they strike you as scum and why? Given that you mainly had supposed hydra dissonance for your read on them, does this still stand with Kj in play?

VOTE: Lufan
I mean, you have a crappy reason both for the vote and the unvote on Jingle. Your every post feels forced and your question about bussing feels faked.
Also, I see more posts, but less content, than a lot of the people here. I could easily see scum in this spot.

Elbrin seems okay Imo, decent posting, questioning, overall better than a lot of ppl here.

Bye, I don't get your read of the Jingle/Heartless interactions mentioned in 182. Care to elaborate as to why Jingle is scum from it?
Also, I dislike your "It's D1, fuck it" attitude that has come out as a defense. Seems like you ran out of defenses and it was as good a reason as any.

Maniez feels like he's been faking the unsuredness in order to look town, but maybe is just low on his reading. His posts sure contain tittle that is of help.

It seems a lot of people really need to post more in this game.
I know how shitty that is, coming from myself, but I mean, clearly some people are leading the thoughts, some are confused by this, and some are just sheeping. I'm sure there's possible scum in all 3, but let's go for the latter two first, as they can be harder to catch sometimes, especially if left too long.

[Aristophanes]

-2 by my count?
Lufan that is.

Thoughts on the Lufan wagon?

[Aristophanes]

Sorry I'm not here. Will have post Wednesday.

I am against massclaim because it's D1, because it is shitty to the mod, and because I enjoy gameplay more than game solving.
Why are we pushing this so?

[Aristophanes]

Sorry I'm not here. Will have post Wednesday.

I am against massclaim because it's D1, because it is shitty to the mod, and because I enjoy gameplay more than game solving.
Why are we pushing this so?

So are you claiming Morty or what?

Lol nah, look elsewhere.

Reading up atm.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, I see Massclaim is in order I guess.

*Sigh*

Scroopy Noopers here.

I have a really swingy role.
I'm town, but can "vanillaize" people at night.
Meaning I take away their powers, making them useless.
Meaning lots of PRs.

(I'd like solid scum reads before using it really though)

[Aristophanes]

did you just say vanilla ice

Ice, Ice, Baby!

[Aristophanes]

Before we get on with it though, artist, could you ask if your target is notified?

I have asked. Will let you know once I do.
Did I mention that I am a 2-shot?

Oh, I got here and we've hammered. Okie dokie then.
Vanilla-ize La-Dash-a. Can do!

I guess we'll find out if you get a message Rainbow.

[Aristophanes]

Well, this is shitty to have flip :S

Dark Coalition confirmed at least?

[Aristophanes]

So between Heartless last post and the horrible track target Flames is probably scum.

Also im vanilla now so that is nice. Aristo should either not target or target Jingle tonight.

Why Jingle?

[Aristophanes]

Picking up my prod. Almost in to work, so I will post for sure tomorrow.
Am okay with vanillaizing Jingle as my 2nd shot.

[Aristophanes]

Okay, but why would RBD want to be vanillaized then?

The fakeclaim would be decent as it takes away any responsibility even if tracked, but still.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I'll vanilla Jingle, as I said, since it's the only place my shot makes sense.
Everyone else, do what you like.

[Aristophanes]

Well, that escalated...

I have to reread your strategy, Jingle, to see how it is gamebreaking, since I think I missed that bit, but I'm okay with doing as you say.

RBD, I like that you are also trying a strategy, but I don't like something in the tone of your posts and I also don't see where you got this "everyone is against the plan but you" shit you're saying to Jingle. I have not seen that anywhere.

[Aristophanes]

Lord of Lynch bless us with a hammer.

You rang?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Flames

[Aristophanes]

Waiting to say things at RBD's request I guess. Want to see a VC.
That is an interesting turn of events with the lack of vote.
Is it just today or for the rest of the game?

[Aristophanes]

I thought it best to get all information possible on the table. That way we don't lose N2 actions from potential N3 targets. I don't see any confscum at the moment. Maybe scum do have a redirector and didn't control lufan to throw us off game like they did with the Heartless/Flames play. Maybe you jailed lufan and d3x did indeed target you. I legitimately think NL is the best play. If you're worried about Jinglescum stealing votes in LyLo (a mechanic generally prevented because it's overpowered) then you should jail him.

Except he's vanilla now...

[Aristophanes]

Yeah totally not buying the random unstoppable act from RBD. He has this role, yet does not factor it into his scenarios...

Also, why wasn't RBD vanillaized if he had that role?

That was my N1 action.
Pony claims to have gotten a pm saying they were vanilla now, as did Jingle.
If we doubt the validity, perhaps they can summarize what the pm said?
If one is off, one of my actions was blocked and one is likely scum.

[Aristophanes]

Hey guys, off my weekend v/la and have to read up. Post later tn

[Aristophanes]

You do realize the problems with asking for mod clarification at this point in the game, yes?
Mod just changed with no prior instruction or any info given.
What good does it do?

[Aristophanes]

You do realize the problems with asking for mod clarification at this point in the game, yes?
Mod just changed with no prior instruction or any info given.
What good does it do?

You do realize that all you are doing is bitching and not providing substance.

Reads please.

True, I intend to post content tomorrow. I am caught up at the moment.

Why am I scum btw?

[Aristophanes]

Also, if I am scum, Jingle and Pony must be scum for going along with the fakeclaim, yes?
Why, as scum, would I out my team if I fakeclaimed!?
That would be dumb as fuq

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so I'm thinking about what happened and stuff and trying to find a good conclusion.

I can see No Lynching today.
We will have a better chance tomorrow at doing something productive (finding scum) than we will today, based on numbers. We will just need to be careful with our votes.

It's obvious that D3X switched with Titus, and was killed. Since we have been told the vig shot did not go in that direction, I can believe that Titus is town.
If anything happens other than the kill tonight, it is because of KJ. Everyone else has expended their powers ot is now vanilla A-la-Ari. This also means that if we NoLynch today, we have to have a perfect game from here out.
KThnx and Elbrin can't be on a scumteam together because then they would have three chances at finding Morty. I also don't see how a Morty Cop would be helpful to Scum unless Morty is a recruitable/traitor. One of these two could easily be scum though.
Lufan seems legit, though the missing kill perplexes me. I don't see why scum would need a bogyguard/vig though since the only one with a kill other than them is the vig. Possible solution: Scum redirector. I don't like it, but the thought is growing on me. As said, it explains Heartless' death and the lack of vig kill (either redirected back at Lufan or at KJ).
This line of thinking gives me a clear on both Lufan and KJ (If the latter, which makes more sense to me).

This would leave me with RBD, Jingle, and either Kthnx or Elbrin as scum.
It would explain the redirection of the shot off of RBD.
I assume my power is activating after the night is done, so Jingle could have vote-stolen Kthnx.
If Jingle votestole Kthnx, Elbrin must be the last scum with them.

I hate trying to solve games and am probably echoing what has been said, bit I block out half of this thread's conversation because Night Action Speculation is dumb and not how I like to play. I am doing so now because it is where we are at.

Anyway though, I will vote one of Elbrin, Jingle, or RBD today, as I now believe they must be the scum team, or I will vote NL.

My only issue with all this is that it would mean the redirector is either Jingle or Elbrin. If Elbrin, why come back with a Rick read on Titus? Unless that was planned as the night kill and prefigured out (not impossible, and not really that bad a plan). I have a hard time seeing it as Jingle. They would have to have switched KJ and Lufan, making KJ free and Lufan's kill nulled by being jailkept. KJ would then have to votesteal Kthnx. I feel like that is a bit much.
So scum redirector would make the most sense as Elbrin.

[Aristophanes]

Actually, one sec. I may not get an immediate answer, but Imma ask about the NAR of my action.

[Aristophanes]

Actually, read it all. I addressed where the shot went.
How does the fact that RIP targeted Elbrin make him town? Because you believe the shot was at Elbrin?
While it was something I had forgotten (games on this site take so long I legit forget the past days) perhaps RIP did end up the direct target.
It adds plausible doubt to the scenario, but I don't think it nullifies my theory.

I would argue the following for the Scum Busdriver:
Not you (Obviously).
Not Jingle as I've said.
Not Lufan, despite missing shot.
Not Titus due to townread.
Remove myself.

Not KJ because KJ would have to self target and switch out with Lufan to block the kill. First problem is whether he can selftarget or not.
If KJ can self target and switched Lufan to being blocked by Titus, it would make you and he scummates because why else would he save you like that? Explains the missing kill.
Did Titus/Maniez say they were going to jail kj prior to the night phase? I don't recall. If not, I find this scenario unlikely.

The other options are Kthnx or Elbrin. This then brings me back to the above post.

If it is kthnx, it would change the team, yes.
It would take away Jingle and Elbrin and bring in who?
KJ, Titus, or Lufan. Knock out Titus and Lufan, because fairly sure they are town.
That leaves KJ. So the team would be You, KJ, and Kthnx.
Either way I seem to find you as scum so why would any of this conversation hold water? You'd be trying to sway me to think town are scum.

So yeah, much happier with my deductions from the previous post.

[Aristophanes]

Neat.
So I can't see KJ being scum busdriver then.

Titus, you mean you will do such as you hammer/prior to, but assuming its presence correct?
I like it.

Is anyone down for an RBD lynch?
Pony is scum is any scenario I can think of that makes sense.
VOTE: RBD

[Aristophanes]

Lying in this scenario.

You do realize I don't really agree with the latter scenario, I was merely trying out your way of thinking, right?

You/Elbrin/Jingle is still where I would lay my votes down.

Nice overreaction though!

Also, in saying his action may have gotten directed back at him, I did say that you would be scum.
I just don't see that as a scenario which is as likely to take place.
Did you miss that in my post (the first of this series) or what?

[Aristophanes]

I really wish I were on a computer so rainbow dash and I could adequately discuss how stupid everything aristophanes just said was. At least she got it with dat last post.

Like, shit ari, you're telling me team scum told you to vanillaize 2 of them, and then the last scum is a bus driver role cop, and it's me or kthx because *insert fart noise here*

And then you go from wanting to no lynch, to wanting to vote me or kthx, to then voting rainbowdash because *insert louder fart noise*

You and Kj are ignored until game is over and I take my game face off and we all become friends and smile and eat internet cake and have happy good times together because I love you all regards me.

Nope.

I was saying the rolecop was a lie and that the busdriver is the role.

I am alright with a NL or a vote on RBD, Jingle, or you. I said exactly that.
Where are you reading that I want to lynch you or Kthnx?

What is meant by myself and KJ being ignored?
I like oreo ice cream cakes if that is possible, but I'm not picky

Who are the two caught scum and why again, El?
And how do we know the votestealer is active?
It was likely oneshot.
If not, it was still likely Jingle, who is now vt.

[Aristophanes]

And did we ever find out if it was for just this dayphase or for the rest of the game that the vote was gone for?

[Aristophanes]

I assume it is for a single dayphase, but did we get confirmation?
I asked because of Elbrin's post at the top of this page. You don't read well do you.
It was a slight afterthought, thus being in a different fucking post!

Okay, so the result could have been fakeclaimed. So?
Kthnx still had a stolen vote and from my PoV it seems to have been from Jingle-scum making him non-scum.

I still see no real problems with any of this and your reactions here really aren't helping you.
You're cherrypicking my posts for things you think you can spin against me.
You're leaving out things I have said on the same page.
You ask me to consider another option, and when I give it some thought and give you my only plausible solution to it, you explode on me for doing so, saying it's ridiculous I would come to such conclusions.

Like, come on.

You look like scum who just really wants a perfect game.

[Aristophanes]

If not a permanent votesteal, Elbrin's worry about NL is out the window.
If Jingle is "possibly permanent target every night vote stealer" or however you phrased it, why was there no votesteal in previous days?
He said he is neg utility but never in what way. How do we know he didn't do something else with his N1 action?

And he is now vanilla.
So is it not a pertinent question to ask if it is permanent or not?
I asked when the thought crossed my mind.

And if I am so for sure scum, why no vote on me?
No time like the present, amirite?

[Aristophanes]

Also, when did I say Jingle was multishot!?
Putting words into my mouth.

[Aristophanes]

OkY, RBD, Jingle is V-fucking-T now, so why the hell does it matter if they were multishot!?
Why are you omitting this in all of your posts in order to stop a NL and Villainize me??

And if Jingle were multishot, for the sake of argument, whether we lynch today or not we are still going to lose.
We would come back to a 3v3 scenario in which town has 2 votes.
The game would already be fucking over!
Now will you stop it with the scum theory on me for things I never said in the first place and which don't even make sense?

Also,
Jingle, Votestealer, now VT.
Elbrin, is busdriver.

I never said (or never meant to, wording may have been bad and I did forget which of Kthnx and El was morty cop and which was rolename cop for a bit) the busdriver was also a rolecop. So will you can the misreps of me?

Flames said he would visit RIP, yes?
If RIP were visiting Scum it would be perfectly set up to "conftown" a scumbuddy because "why would scum shoot RIP?"
So this whole thing still has holes and nobody is confirmed.

Now, will poeple please reread my posts before telling me what I did and didn't say?
Almost everything RBD is saying against me is not actually what I said.
Will somepony remind me how the pony is not scum again?

[Aristophanes]

Yes. It's Jingle RBD Ari.

We lynch that pool or no lynch.

If this were true, I would be the required busser, correct?
So let's make an RBD lynch happen.

[Aristophanes]

I have theories where the two of us aren't scumbuddies, but you still are actually.

And I cane to a conclusion that KJ is town, so why would I push/vote them?

[Aristophanes]

I have theories where the two of us aren't scumbuddies, but you still are actually.

And I cane to a conclusion that KJ is town, so why would I push/vote them?

Ewww...

VOTE: Ari

You need a theory where you're not a scumbuddy?

I think my phrasing was horrible there. Tired from work.

What I'm saying was in response to RBD saying all theories where they are scum, so am I.
I was saying that I had theories where they were scum, but I was not (since I know I am not, but think they are).

I thought you were saving yourself for the hammer. Why come out and vote me now?
What makes me the better lynch of the three options you gave?

[Aristophanes]

Lynch me if you like. I guarantee there will have to be at least two scum on my wagon since it seems 3/6 possible votes are scum and 5 are needed to lynch.

Think about PoE if I am town though, have it brewing, because I want town to win this and will only lie down and take it if it actually helps us.

We've gotta be able to at least take out one scum and ruin this streak of theirs.

So, @Everyone

If I were to flip scum, what would it tell you?
If I were to flip town, what would that tell you?

[Aristophanes]

It is a zero possibility.

I've never actually gotten the difference between Mylo and Lylo. Mind filling me in?

I somehow still thought lylo was tomorrow. I guess if we mislynch today we're done for.

In which case, Lynch me if you want to lose the game. I have fought just about as hard as I can against the dumbest of arguments this last bit. RBD has made me look bad by misrepping me something fierce. How does everyone not see this??

[Aristophanes]

Ah, that makes sense.

Okay then, if we all had to vote for someone right now, who would it be?
At least we will know where the votes may go that way.

[Aristophanes]

Or the stolen vote is nonpermanent. (a scumlynch or nolynch keeps us in the game then)
Or KJ has potential to get something townsaving tn if they predicted the right lynch.

[Aristophanes]

@RBD, lynching Ari is the best move. I see two scenarios mainly. Both have Ari as scum.

Ari flips scum.
Scum shoot Elbrin/lufan/me.
We no lynch.
Scum shoot another.
Lylo is RBD/Jingle/KJ/Kthx +1 countdown.

KJ has a tested ability AND the town does not need to rally as many people.

Except a) I'm not scum b) unless KJ can predict a NoLynch, they have no chance at getting an ability c) game will already be over with my lynch.

[Aristophanes]

nobody is conf-town.

[Aristophanes]

Jingle if you're the vote stealer and youre toen then you have 2 votes today and we can jn fact get majority...soooo

Votestealer = voteremover, no?

[Aristophanes]

RIP Town

[Aristophanes]

I asked, got no asnwer from mod (in pm)

But okay.

@Mod
Does vanilla-izing someone happen at the beginning of the next daay phase?
Does it act as a role block on the night it is performed?

And I have been trying an awful lot as of late.
I merely have limited time to do so.
Not that saying RIP Town is trying much, but okay.

[Aristophanes]

Oh and one concern I have about Elbrin I can say now. Detecting a flavor of one of the scrums was a fake claim in Signs and Void.

Another Kiwi game or...?

[Aristophanes]

Also, it's worth noting that there hasn't been a quickhammer. Meaning either kthx is scum or Aristo is. Or both, I suppose.

Actually, no.

It means either Kthx or someone on his wagon is scum.
And
That either myself or someone on my wagon is scum.

If there is a scum with a vote already on either or on both wagon, they would not have the numbers to quichlynch.
Alternately, if everyone on my wagon is town, as am I, then Kthnx is scum and thus they can't quicklynch.
(This all assuming you removed his vote but did not gain an extra one).

Think about the full picture Jingle.
That was just lazy.

[Aristophanes]

RBD, I like how you seem determined to either not read entirely or not understand my posts, picking whatever you feel like.

One of Titus or Jingle. Sure.
Have I not scumread Jingle? I believe so.

For this scenario, there is also a scum on Kthnx, which is either KJ or you, or Kthnx is scum.
Guess what, I have a scumread in that group too, and happen to be pushing it!
If I thought we could get a Jingle lynch today, I would be there. But since that isn't going to happen, I think I have my vote right where it is needed.
On scum.

[Aristophanes]

Not at all.
This accounts for 2 of 3 scum (I.e. you and jingle)

Meaning scum could be entwined in the wagons and could be not (hint - it could still be Elbrin).

The more this goes on the more I want you to be scum and KJ to be town.
You are not helping your cases by making up/leaving out facts and possibilities.

I'm also perfectly happy to stalemate right now as a nolynch is fine.
(On one condition)
Hey Kthnx, did we ever find out for sure (though I assume so) that your stolen vote was just for today?

[Aristophanes]

Okay, I'm at L-3 now.
Only a matter of time until we lose this.

All we can do is wait for the other two scum to vote me, since Jingle is already there.

I assume KJ would have voted me is scum.
I will concede that Elbrin is a good town candidate.
Exclude Titus and Lufan.
This leaves Kthnx. But then I will need an extra town on me to be lynched.
Elbrin, please do not vote me.

But Jingle wouldn't have stolen a teammate's vote, unless they really don't know what their power is and took a chance.
Meaning KJ could be waiting for a teammate to vote in order to hammer it home (RBD I am assuming).
The reactions don't point to that though, unless they are an excellent actor.

Basically, I expect to be voted by the last scum(RBD). If no town vote me, we will still have a chance by nolynching.

I'm trying to think as critically as possible here, thus the change in tone.

[Aristophanes]

Lufan as bg/vig I believe.
I also believe you blocked a kill on KJ.
Thus I believe KJ is town.

This leaves Jingle, RBD, Kthnx, and Elbrin.

If I concede that Elbrin is likely town from the above stated info (I was being rather stubborn previously, I will admit) then Kthnx, Jingle, RBD.
If I am not lynched today, it is because RBD and Kthnx are the two scum not on my wagon, and Kthnx has no vote.
If I am (though this would mean a loss) it means RBD votes me and scum KJ hammers.
I don't think that will happen.
It would also mean no scum kill due to you jailing them.
So, I see scum as Jingle, RBD, and one of Kthnx/KJ, with much doubt that it is KJ.
If we can get rid of one of Jingle/RBD today, things will start to fall into place and we can sort the others later.
Only one who makes sense as an RB/busdriver is Kthnx though, since I believe you jailed KJ.
Thus that is my team.
Same logic as before, I am merely accepting Elbrin as likely town, which slips Kthnx rather nicely into that empty void as the 3rd scum.

[Aristophanes]

Then why aren't you voting Kthx?

Because this is a growing read and I just came to this. Notice my insistance upon Elbrin until now.

Reading up on posts after this atm.

[Aristophanes]

Ah fuck it.

VOTE: Kthnx.

If you are town and we lose, sorry.
If you are scum, fuck yeah!

That I haven't been lynched now makes me more certain in this.
Something has to haopen today, so here we go.

[Aristophanes]

Not certain I understand your musings titus. Aris vote read like a bad bus to me.

I know this is #WiFoM but if I were scum, bussing would be dumb.
I would either take the bullet or draw the nolynch by continuing on RBD.

What possible good would bussing do?
I'm not gonna get town cred.
I'm still gonna be "confscum" to RBD and possibly Titus, among strong reads from others.
It would do me zero good to bus right now.
But okay, see whatever you like.

This is the most confscum I have been without actually being scum, like, ever.

[Aristophanes]

Hmm, I was not expecting Ari to vote here.... interesting... but it does fit within a RBD/Ari/Jingle universe...

Should Kthnx flip scum, what will it do to your RBD/Jingle/Ari universe, since only 2 of three can be scum at that point?

[Aristophanes]

RBD, I think Ari is scum regardless of your alignment. He could be hammer posturing on kthx, bad at scum with you, etc. An Ari flip where he is not vanillaizer scum firms you. A vanillaizer flip suggests but does not confirm you are town. You could be avoiding voting Ari because you are scum with him. All rational roads lead to Ari scum.

You are not defending Ari and refuse to vote him. That's a neon flag you're scum with Ari if your last comments about kthx Ari have any weight.

I will not be voting Aristo with lufan still alive here. She will be left alive and lose the game.

All rational roads to me are leading to kthnx scum at this point. Elbrin is already voting him. Aristo should be voting him. KJ has expressed interest in voting him. Why should I not be voting him?

Call me dumb or whatever, but can you gimme that bilded part again?
Are you saying Lufan is town or scum here and what does that have to do with my own alignment?

[Aristophanes]

My goodness, I feel like all this has already been addressed multiple times this phase.

But whatever, arguing with RBD is like bashing your head against a brick wall.
They keep bringing up the same things as if fact, even though there are multiple possibilities (brought up by various people) that could also resolve things.

I know I addressed how the bus worked and there was onoy one kill.
Titus/Maniez also never announced nor hinted at their jail target, so spec on purposeful switchedls in order to prevent a death if scum are dumb.
I also believe Jingle resolved before me.

Kthnx & RBD are scum guys. I'm sure of it! Can we just do this already?
Bickering like this is getting us absolutely nowhere.

[Aristophanes]

Seriously. It's time to NL.

No one's even fucking scumhunting it's all PR bullshit I'm honestly bored out of my goddamn mind.

^ This.

Since it appears nobody's vote is moving.
Would still be alright with Kthnx atm though, if anyone was interested in that...
As I say, can't be town, unless there are two scum on the wagon already, because he'd be dead already.
KJ, wanna vote with us?
Elbrin? Titus? Lufan?
Anyone??

No?
*Sigh*

I guess we'll just have to wait out this day and a half for nothing to happen.

[Aristophanes]

No. You are the bus driver.
Ari did not vanillaize.
Jingle is vote thief.

That theory works with the facts. It is possible that theory is wrong. Ari is scum to me under either theory.

So, knowing both are wrong, there is no way I can sway you back to your senses?
(Not that I haven't tried...)

[Aristophanes]

Welp, this was quite the game.

GG scum.

Of course, I have always been amazing D1 lynch or Lylo mislynch.

[Aristophanes]

Ok, Ari you can drop the act.

But what fun would that be, Titus?

[Aristophanes]

You can taunt us as obvious scum.

P.S. If you are town, you should be raging at the mod for a mod error right now.

*Insert Raging Owl Beast here*

[Aristophanes]

Maybe I'm the scum with KJ and they bussed for townpoints!

Did we even consider my shot being redirected onto Lufan, vanillaizing them and thus blocking their shot on RBD?
I just thought of that one now!

[Aristophanes]

Jingle claimed vanillaized, lufan would have claimed vanillaized so your plan requires both of them to be scum. Plus, why would they redirect you onto themselves when they could neutralize any town player. Nope. That did not happen.

If you are town, this mod does not get NAR.

Ah, a valid point!

When we say "Mod" do we mean Kiwi, Equinox, or Anti?
I can see why mod error may exist.

[Aristophanes]

If you flip scum, I am going to have to hold off my innate desire to turbo lynch RBD.

When I say mod, I mean whoever processed the night actions.

If I flip scum, turbolynch away! XD

[Aristophanes]

Yeah Ari is scum, KJ hammer had me a bit worried.

This is the most confscum I have been without actually being scum, like, ever.

[Aristophanes]

Kthx would have been cheering his ass of if we were wrong.

Well then, I guess you've answered your own question, now haven't you!

[Aristophanes]

Also, if ari flips scum, and I die tonight, remember that rbd is morty.

Is Morty scum?

[Aristophanes]

Sorry, I'm having too much fun with this.

[Aristophanes]

...town-Aristo would need to have been getting bussed...

Lol

Don't game throw on WIFOM.

Can't throw a game if it has already been lost.
Js.

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: To all who think me scum:

XD

[Aristophanes]

Do we actually even know there is a Morty and that this Morty is scum??

Also, who could "appear to be Morty" among us??
Maybe the bus drivers could make that happen to confuse things???
(Assuming there is a Morty).

That part of your PM has been bugging me a lot.

[Aristophanes]

@rbd, k you right that came off wrong.

I do not have a guilty on rbd.
I'm just saying I believe she is morty.

Then have kthnx target me and you target somepony else. You get the result on me either way that way and if kthnx by some miracle (like mod error that has never been noticed) is town helps out.

Granted kthnx will likely waste his target for a third time either way, but it helps some.

Wasn't Kthnx 1-shot and Elbrin 2-shot?
Aren't all their shots used up?

At least one of us knows what's going on here.

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes:	vanillaice-r	[Scroopy Nooples]
Jingle:	visitor (unspecified neg utility?)	[Jerry]
Flames682:	tracker	[Scary Terry]
Heartless:	odd-night weak doc	[Beth]
Elbirn:	neighborizer (morty cop)	[Jessica]
Killerjester:	active dreamer (1x something)	[Goldenfold]
Kthxbye:	1x name cop	[Xenon Bloom]
lufan131:	1x bulletproof vig	[Snuffles/Snowball]
RIP:	miller bodyguard	[Lincler]
d3x:	self-targeting busdriver	[Rick]
Rainbowdash:	????? (unstoppable + scumtrolled)	[Meeseeks]
hi im Yakko:	motion detector	[Leonard]
Mainez:	1x jailkeeper	[Summer]

[Aristophanes]

RBD, why is clearing you specifically more important than clearing/catching someone else?

[Aristophanes]

!Also, RBD, if kthx is scum we just lost the game, so....

^^^

Whomever this scum team is, I applaud your commitment to play dumb right until I flip!
Honestly, the anticipation is killing me!

Well, the votes to lynch me killed me, but you know what I mean!

[Aristophanes]

It could be rationalized that it was not your power, but KJ's. Which caused this, depending if it was to control you, your role name, or your actual role.

Anti, thanks again for taking over.
Even if there were a few bumps along the road, you did your best with what you got.

I had fun guys.
Well, Night Action Spec post-massclaim was boring when it took over the game, and I think it may have cost us (these are the reasons I opposed to the massclaim in the first place). And without knowing how the mod intricacies worked, it really muddled us up badly.

I'd like to play with you all again (even RBD, despite what annoyances I had at the end there).

RBD, I don't think anyone should feel ashamed for this loss, and the scum team played well.

I agree fully

[Aristophanes]

Amen, Jingle!

[Aristophanes]

Meh, not worth it.