Newbie 1625: American Spring - Day 5 (DL - 08/31)

[JoramvanVugt]

UNVOTE: notscience

im not gonna vote untill i see something thats really scummy/suspicious my vote on not science was because he voted on someone for no reason at all. but my vote should probably have been on HCL

vote tags fixed - f

[Thespio]

Joram, Whats your reads?

[Thespio]

Dead....

[notscience]

For what it's worth, I've been here the better part of the afternoon. But expecting things right away isn't a good expectation to have- we havel onger days so people can play at their convenience.

Patience is a virtue.

[Thespio]

No i mean im dead, work is boring!

[VeeGee]

Posting to make sure I don't get prodded.

[Thespio]

Veegee reads? anyone wanna actually post reads?

[stoz]

Ok, here are my reads for D1, So far:
...

You forgot me (and only me). I guess I haven't posted much so it is understandable.

but saying "hi" is the most innocuous, neutral thing a player can say.

I think that might be the point, that scum would say the most neutral thing possible.

Wouldn't a scum want to appear town, rather than neutral?

I guess I mean scum would want to draw the least amount of attention to themselves as possible.

[Thespio]

Ok, here are my reads for D1, So far:
...

You forgot me (and only me). I guess I haven't posted much so it is understandable.

but saying "hi" is the most innocuous, neutral thing a player can say.

I think that might be the point, that scum would say the most neutral thing possible.

Wouldn't a scum want to appear town, rather than neutral?

I guess I mean scum would want to draw the least amount of attention to themselves as possible.

Sorry dude, I have you on my spread sheet, however I didn't post it purely by accident.

[notscience]

And you did it post it then either?

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1.3

MEAN TWEETS

VeeGee

(2): HenryCabotLodge, notscience

HenryCabotLodge

(1): Thespio

Not Voting

(6): JoramvanVugt, VeeGee, stoz, StubbsKVM, Akuseru, Micc

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: July 19, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-07-18 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[stoz]

And you did it post it then either?

Yeah I am confused too.

Not science your sig says "I resemble that comment" but when I click it I am told that "You are not authorised to read this forum.". Just wondering what it is?

[notscience]

It's the GTKAS forum, you have to go

User Control Panel>Usergroups>Get to know a scummer access to request access to it

[HenryCabotLodge]

unvote: VeeGee

I expect bandwagoning for its own sake to work because there are different reactions to a bandwagon that we can work through as a town. We can see who hops on opportunistically, we can see who opposes it, we can see who posts a thesis on the legitimacy of the bandwagon, etc.- the point is that bandwagoning is a viable, and beneficial, way to get out of RVS. I'm not sure how beneficial it is to meticulously dissect the very first post by a player in the game that amounts to nothing more than a simple greeting.

Ultimately my issue is, if you know that there is a bandwagon on you for the sake of bandwagoning, it's hard to garner any real reaction out of it. While yes, we can see who joins and opposes it, what separates the "LOLBANDWAGON" from a scum hiding? What separates "I'm not feeling this wagon" from scum avoiding the wagon?

A wagon with nothing to go on is different from one predicated one somebody building a case or whatever, but pressure is still pressure and it forces people to have opinions.

Thoughts?

I'm not a newbie.

Does green mean "town" and is yellow "null"? On your read of Joram, you say: no reason to think scum. However, you give no reason for reading him town.

Other than that, I am amazed at how fast you develop reads.

I agree- I'm confused as to how anyone has hard and fast reads at this point.

I unvoted VeeGee because it's silly to have a random vote at this point (my vote was completely random, unlike notsciences's who took issue with the word "hi"). I see some flimsy reads and unhelpful theorizing on how scum play (whether they would want to appear neutral, town, etc.). This is probably good for scum because it's keeping things unclear and allowing people to throw up poorly thought out reads early on and seeing what sticks. How anyone can have a read firm enough already to be ok with somebody's lynch is absurd to me.

I think the main culprits of this so far is Thespio. I didn't like his list of reads and thought him being "ok with my lynch" was reckless. He seems too aggressive for this early stage of the game- prodding people for reads and such. I think it's possible he may be interested in reads so he can attach himself to one that has steam and get a quick lynch.

Everyone else (except maybe notscience) seems like they're feeling things out which is normal to me.

[Micc]

VOTE: Thespio

I'm not a fan of the whole enter the game and drop a reads list thing on page two. Most of those reads are too superficial to be meaningful at all. Mostly I want to know what pinged scummy in post 30 and why it was worthy of a vote? I like the enthusiasm and the questioning, but that stuff is fakable and im not convinced its genuine at this point.

[Micc]

I recommend those of you who don't have avatars take a little bit of time to set one up. It really helps to be able to quicklly identify posters when reading and lessens the likelihood that people get mixed up.

Control Panel > Profile > Edit Avatar

[Micc]

How anyone can have a read firm enough already to be ok with somebody's lynch is absurd to me.

Why is that?

To me is seems natural for a person to want to lynch their strongest scumread. Why does the point of the game have anything to do with it?

[JoramvanVugt]

I still think that HenryCabot is kinda suspicious seeing has in his first post he immediately votes someone up.
I think it would be good to put the pressure on him and maybe even force him to roleclaim

[Micc]

then why are you not voting him?

[notscience]

maybe even force him to roleclaim

Ummmm

[Akuseru]

Mostly I want to know what pinged scummy in post 30 and why it was worthy of a vote?

HenryCabotLodge

Immidate vote for no reason indicates town at this point but does not clear them as town.
#30 makes me think they are more scum leaning, so I will be ok if we lynch him.

Where exactly in his post makes you think he might be scum?

He is justifying his random vote, when in truth there is no justification because its random, at the same time he is claiming he is bandwagon while he is actually the one who started the bandwagon. I find this scummy.

[Akuseru]

I still think that HenryCabot is kinda suspicious seeing has in his first post he immediately votes someone up.
I think it would be good to put the pressure on him and maybe even force him to roleclaim

...in your first post you "immediately vote someone up".


Why pressure them to roleclaim?

[HenryCabotLodge]

How anyone can have a read firm enough already to be ok with somebody's lynch is absurd to me.

Why is that?

To me is seems natural for a person to want to lynch their strongest scumread. Why does the point of the game have anything to do with it?

It is natural to want your strongest scumread to be lynched, but we're not far out of the random vote stage and people have mostly posted only in vague generalities- like I've said, seems reckless to me and an early lynch without much to go on would be something I think scum would push for.

I still think that HenryCabot is kinda suspicious seeing has in his first post he immediately votes someone up.
I think it would be good to put the pressure on him and maybe even force him to roleclaim

First, like Micc said, why aren't you voting me. Second, you'll notice in my last post I unvoted VeeGee. Third, that vote was completely meaningless because I didn't think we would move out of the random voting stage so quickly. Fourth, I don't see how a roleclaim from anyone this early would benefit the town at all, especially considering the only role somebody would probably claim at this point is Vanilla Townie, even if they are a town power role. This seems a little too obvious to be scum rolefishing so I'm not going to vote just yet. I am interested to see what you think my hypothetical roleclaim would do to help the town.

[stoz]

I think a roleclaim would help scum much more than town right now.

[Akuseru]

@Akuseru, what are your scum reads so far?

Don't really have any definite scum reads atm, tbh . I've been excusing (what I consider) a couple of scum slips as possible newbie behaviour. Hopefully, as they post more, I can make a better decision on where they lie (ie: Mafia or Just New).


I would also appreciate it if StubbsKVM would post more. I was kinda disappointed when, after a wait, you only posted some comments and disappeared again.


@VeeGee: You're lacking in presence, dear.