New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Skybird]

/confirm

[Skybird]

Hi Silverwolf! Good to see you too.

Gotta do a little OMGUS!

VOTE: Silverwolf

[Skybird]

I'm doing good SW. Getting ready to move. Yea!

So do you think House is scum this game?

[Skybird]

Yea, choo choo ho!

Oh wait, that's on me.

@Taly, last game with House he beat me in lylo as scum. I'm paranoid about him now.

[Skybird]

Cheetory, you don't like jokes?

[Skybird]

House must like beating up on birds. lol

[Skybird]

I don't believe I've ever played with Taly before Ozgin, so I have no clue.

[Skybird]

I'm all good with putting some pressure on House.

VOTE: House

[Skybird]

So what's 14:3:3:1?

This post makes me go hmmm. How many games have you played Kitz?

[Skybird]

Kitz, from your join date I would have thought that you knew what that meant. Just trying to figure out if you are scum trying to drop a fake towntell.

[Skybird]

Taly, just for reference, I'm a she.

[Skybird]

Hi Drixx, good to see you.

Dragonspawn, was cheetory scum in the game where he lurked?

[Skybird]

Cheetory, you keep notes on the game too?

[Skybird]

Let's hope we don't get mindfucked in this setup.

So what's 14:3:3:1?

This is why post 49 felt odd to me. Kitz you make a comment on the setup like you know what it is. Then you come back with post 49. Can you explain this for me?

[Skybird]

VOTE: kitz

I don't like the set-up posts and her response to my questions about it. Her use of makes it seem like she is trying to discourage questions/conversations or to cut off lines of questioning. Finally I didn't like 270 in response to lalaladuck's are you scum question.

[Skybird]

Hi Silverwolf! Good to see you too.

Gotta do a little OMGUS!

Still leaning that this vote is awkward in its justification.

So do you think House is scum this game?

Completely empty question. Seems like she might be trying to play up House's reputation: "I am so so very paranoid of this person this game wow golly look at me I am definitely town because I am genuinely paranoid rite guyz?"

Cheetory, you don't like jokes?

No.
Jokes are for COMEDIANS.

I want to say that it feels like sky not analyzing her own wagon comes across as her trying to ignore it until it goes away, but I'd be interested in discussing that with someone who might disagree/agree.

This post makes me go hmmm. How many games have you played Kitz?

Of all things to go after, this seems easyyyyy. Though, the followup on this has a little bit of what seems like townparanoia to it:

Kitz, from your join date I would have thought that you knew what that meant. Just trying to figure out if you are scum trying to drop a fake towntell.

I think it's the fact that she's trying to figure out whether Kitz is doing what she's doing before labeling it as scummy.
Tinfoilhatme is all like "but Cheetory scum can scumhunt in this game". You're right tinfoilhatme. Thanks for your input and for reminding me why I hate multiball .

Her switch to Kitz could be motivated by seeing how much hate the Housewagon is getting.
Overall, leaning scum, but not strongly.

skybird

Cheetory, not sure if you want a response to this but I'm going to give you one anyway.

First, I've played with Silverwolf, House, and Dragonspawn at another site. FA_Q2 as well. Some of what looks weird to you is inside jokes.

Funny you say you don't like jokes. You definitely threw several out before you started scumhunting. Not sure why that is OK for you and not other people.

The wagon on me is an RVS wagon. Why would I get paranoid over the wagon or analyze it at this point?

My push on Kitz is me starting to play the game and be serious. Not to say I still won't make a joke or two, but I'm definitely in scum hunting mode.

[Skybird]

Cheetory, you did say your vote on me was serious in post 61. But you didn't try to engage me until post 292. And that post wasn't really talking to me as much as it was talking about me. I find that a weird way to scum hunt. I also find it silly for you to say you never joke and yet posts 22, 24, and 27 read as jokes to me, or posted in a joking manner at the very least. Are you lying or do you have a different definition of "joke"?

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Dragonspawn, yes, maybe the name Shaitra rings a bell?

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Yes, but we all know you have a silver tongue Dragon. I just sat back and let you do all the talking.

[Skybird]

Talk to me about Cheetory please Dragon. Have you played with him before?

[Skybird]

So far House gives me town vibes. Comes in the game all abrasive and not giving a crap.

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Varsoon, my read on house is totally a meta read. It still needs to be determined if he is truly town or just trying to act town.

[Skybird]

Not liking post 402 by house.

[Skybird]

Not liking post 402 by house.

Can you tell us what about it you don't like?

Not liking post 402 by house.

why not? It made sense to me. You can't be very useful to the town if you end up dead without contributing to the win.

Not liking post 402 by house.

why not? It made sense to me. You can't be very useful to the town if you end up dead without contributing to the win.

She's used to my earlier games where I was apathetic to survival as town.

this post feels off. I was asking her and you answered. I've seen you flip out at people who answered questions you direct to others. And yet you felt the need to do so. Why? Why not let sky answer?

Varsoon and Dragon, it comes from how I approach the game. As town, I don't worry about being mislynched (at least I try to not worry!). I have even offered to be lynched in games where several players are scum reading me because at that point I am a distraction and I'd rather get lynched and let the town refocus on finding scum. Obviously if we are close to end game I will not be offering to be the sacrefical lamb. I dislike House's post because it feels like he is saying he is more important than other townies which is stupid because if I saw it, so did scum.

I do understand not wanting to die before you get a chance to contribute to the win. But to me you make sure that doesn't happen by being active in the game and giving reads as much as you can.

Dragon, I agree about house answering for me. He does get mad when people do that so it is concerning to me too.

Now back to reading.

[Skybird]

RadiantCowbells, what has you suspecting Dragons? Can you explain that for me please?

Kitz, to me your explanations for 14:3:3:1 are not convincing. I'd also like to see you do some scum hunting. You are here in the game, but not really doing anything.

[Skybird]

Kitz, to me your explanations for 14:3:3:1 are not convincing.

What's the motivation to fake being dumb on this particular matter regardless of faction?

The motivation is to appear to town by not knowing how many factions are involved in the game. At best you didn't read the rules because it clearly states: Scum win when their numbers equal or exceed that of the Town's, and

all enemy anti-Town factions are dead

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[Skybird]

Skybird seems... more serious... since Cheet's case was posted. Not sure how I feel about that.

Skybird, I assume you've played with House considering where you came from. Would you really expect House to come into this game any differently as scum? Really? Abrasive and not giving a shit is just House. It's not just town House. It's House.

Don't worry, I won't be serious for the rest of the game.

Yes, I've played House at another site as well as here. House prides himself in playing the same style as town or scum. As I mentioned earlier, he beat me in lylo because I thought he was town. That was my last completed game with him. I voted him in RVS just to let him know that I would be keeping my eye on him.

Now we are out of RVS and I am scum hunting.

[Skybird]

Guys, I'm sick. So I'm probably going to be out the rest of the day. Will see about getting back to this tomorrow. Just an FYI.

Feel better soon SW.

[Skybird]

RadiantCowbells' posts are really weird. How about telling us your case on Dragonspawn?

[Skybird]

Skybird, but didn't you say you were town reading him for the abrasive don't give a shit attitude? Or am I misremembering? Because if that's what you said, your meta on him (which matches mine by the way) contradicts that point.

Yes, I did say I was town reading him for being abrasive. I'm not sure about the last part of your sentence where you say my meta contradicts that point. I'm totally missing your point.

[Skybird]

Egg, thanks I understand what you are asking now. Yes I was town reading house at that moment. I think I posted that after his 1st 5 posts. Since then, he has done something that really pisses him off when it happens to him. (answering a question directed towards another player) I don't think he's been back to explain why he did that. (I need to look to see if he did this.) Bottom line, right now I'm not inclined to lynch House day 1.

[Skybird]

Skybird. Hold up. Where did House answer someone else's question? Because yeah he does get pissed when people do that? Also, your read feels weird. Like you are looking for reasons not to lynch him but can't come up with any.

He does it in 409. The question was from Dragon to me.

Right now House doesn't concern me as much as other people. I know he's going to be a hard player for me to get a read on. Titus is another person I have a hard time getting a read on. For now, I haven't seen enough from either to feel comfortable putting them in one pile or another.

I'd like to see more pressure on Kitz because I'm still scum reading her. I've been following the Ozgin thing and frankly I'm leaning scum on him at the moment. I need to re-evaluate Dragon because he wasn't pinging my scumdar, but people have put up some solid points against him.

I'm going to be reading and evaluating this morning while I have the laundry going. I'll put up a fuller reads list soon.

[Skybird]

I can't believe you claimed House. Why put a big ass target on your back like that? It really makes me wonder if you are being truthful.

[Skybird]

Kitz's last few posts have been better. She is scum hunting now and seems more involved with the game. I'm not reading her as town yet but she can move up to being null.

UNVOTE: kitz

[Skybird]

House only claimed 3 roles. From what I know of House, he usually doesn't fully claim in D1, or even if his claim I accurate. So, I question Houses credibility in his claim.

This is D1. Nobody has any idea what roles there are. Fake-claiming JoAT, regardless of the abilities claimed, would be idiotic for scum to do because it would be a simple matter for the real JoAT to counterclaim. Regardless of which one is lynched first, it results in outed scum.

It would be suicidal for scum to cripple themselves like that right out of the gate, and incredibly stupid for town to do so.

Since you admit it is stupid for either scum or town to claim like this, why did you do it? Are you claiming 3P?

[Skybird]

Wow, this game is moving fast. Silverwolf is town. This looks like her town game. Other town reads: Egg, Cheet, Boon, Anen, Lalaladucks, Taly, Varsoon.

I'm leaning town on Titus, but she is hard for me to read. House is the same way.

TSO, FA, Drixx, and Aero haven't posted enough to even start to get a read.

I don't like PB, RC, kitz. I'm ok with lynching one of these three.

[Skybird]

House, this early in the game, why are you so hung up on lynching in your hood? What happens if the 1st person we lynch from your hood flips town?

[Skybird]

I'm not reading Bookitty as scum. Her posting seems pretty town to me. But iirc, this is my first game with her so YMMV.

[Skybird]

@Mod, I'll be V/LA 5/20 - 5/26.

I will be doing my best to look at the game each day and responding to points and things I see as much as I can.

[Skybird]

Anen, there's no color in your role PM at all?

RC - RadiantCowbells. Her posts are totally weird and troll-like.

[Skybird]

No, I have never played with her before. Other than pointing out PB wasn't doing anything, she hasn't contributed much to the game.

[Skybird]

Anen, look at the sample role pm. Are you saying the wording on your pm where the sample pm says Citizen is a different color?

[Skybird]

I don't know House. I'm just following up on lala's and anen's posts.

[Skybird]

Anen, look at the sample role pm. Are you saying the wording on your pm where the sample pm says Citizen is a different color?

No.
Why do you think Lala posted about light green then?

The way I read her post was the light green was the role title. Describing colors is very subjective and dependent on the person. So I take the whole "light green" "dark green" "some other green" issues with a grain of salt. How did you read lala's post?

Skybird, you said you have Boon as town. Do you have dragonspawn as town as well or is your Boon read a weak one?

Like House, I respect Dragon's game and ability. I'm pretty cautious about both of them. I do have a light town read on both Varsoon and Dragon due to the claim. Boon has been pretty townie in his posting. Nothing jumped out at me in his ISO that pinged my scumdar.

[Skybird]

Hi FA_Q2! Good to see you.

@Anen, what FA said on the lalaladucks/role pm thing. I'm not scum reading her but am interested to see what points FA has.

[Skybird]

FA - I get your point on Wolf, but for now, I don't see any discrepancies that would indicate she isn't town.

[Skybird]

I'll take a 3 Olives cherry vodka shot. Thanks Titus.

[Skybird]

@lalaladucks, I understand Titus asked you to list reads based on gut. Are you saying your scum read on Prolapsed is based on facts/evidence as opposed to gut?

[Skybird]

Ozgin, you continue to show that you don't know how to read me. People scum hunt indifferent ways.

[Skybird]

RC, what changed your mind about Boon?

[Skybird]

House, your strong-arm play puts a really sour taste in my mouth, but you'll also very likely be sorted out overnight.
What I'm not sure of is why you're wagoning Ozgin.
I'd like you to elaborate on that.

That's an easy one.

I'm sheeping Titus because

I'm completely disinterested in d1 of larges.

The only reason I care about the ducky wagon is because I hate seeing those I consider a friend get lynched over idiotic excuses.

And frankly, I don't give a damn what my play leaves in your mouth.

This statement seems at odds with your play earlier. You came into the game all determined to get someone in your hood lynched. I'd hardly call that disinterested.

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House, you have to know that everyone saw your defense of duck and wondered about it. You are pretty ballsy player so yeah, you might do something as obvious as this, especially when you think duck's meta is going to back you up.

[Skybird]

I've been following the thread and I have no problem with an Ozgin lynch.

[Skybird]

Coolbeans

Only one kill? Successful protect or something?

How many scum do you think were on Ozgin's wagon

Anen, I'm still town if you're wondering

Ewww. As Anen already pointed out, he hadn't even posted yet in D2.

Discussion != arguing.

Link to that game? (And what's a crossbar?)


P-Edit: Just the coaching, in tandem with your overall ditziness (for lack of a better word).

Also lol how did it take you >ten minutes to write this

Another icky post.

I'm just curious as to how his response to my question was a P-Edit when there were ten words before his response to me

Not saying it makes him scum or anything

lala is not even pressured here and immediately backs off of PB.

The "No." was because you're wrong about me being scum and me being a fantastic vote.

Great lala, you claim you are not scum. How about refuting things/explaining instead of just saying you are not scum.

Surprised it's taken so long for someone to question me on me.

Do you guys want more discussion and a chance for Oz to speak again before the day ends?

I have no objections to the hammer.

These two posts pinged me hard at the end of the day. This is not town wolf. Town wolf careful about lynching. She doesn't rush them. And she wouldn't be asking whether we should let him speak.again, she would.be insisting he claim before we hammer.

But she isn't. She is almost eager for the Hammer. Even odder considering she wasn't scum reading ozgin at the time.

And now she completely ignores my vote with her while posting an in-depth analysis of varsoon. Yeah this isnt feeling right at all.

yay someone sees what I mean when I say SW gives me scum vibes

Where did you make a case for scum SW on D1?

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If you are town, why wouldn't you believe it Kitz?

[Skybird]

Coolbeans

Only one kill? Successful protect or something?

How many scum do you think were on Ozgin's wagon

Anen, I'm still town if you're wondering

Ewww. As Anen already pointed out, he hadn't even posted yet in D2.

Discussion != arguing.

Link to that game? (And what's a crossbar?)


P-Edit: Just the coaching, in tandem with your overall ditziness (for lack of a better word).

Also lol how did it take you >ten minutes to write this

Another icky post.

I'm just curious as to how his response to my question was a P-Edit when there were ten words before his response to me

Not saying it makes him scum or anything

lala is not even pressured here and immediately backs off of PB.

The "No." was because you're wrong about me being scum and me being a fantastic vote.

Great lala, you claim you are not scum. How about refuting things/explaining instead of just saying you are not scum.

Surprised it's taken so long for someone to question me on me.

Do you guys want more discussion and a chance for Oz to speak again before the day ends?

I have no objections to the hammer.

These two posts pinged me hard at the end of the day. This is not town wolf. Town wolf careful about lynching. She doesn't rush them. And she wouldn't be asking whether we should let him speak.again, she would.be insisting he claim before we hammer.

But she isn't. She is almost eager for the Hammer. Even odder considering she wasn't scum reading ozgin at the time.

And now she completely ignores my vote with her while posting an in-depth analysis of varsoon. Yeah this isnt feeling right at all.

yay someone sees what I mean when I say SW gives me scum vibes

Where did you make a case for scum SW on D1?

lalaladuck, will you answer this question please?

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Crap, that didn't work the way I wanted it to. I was trying to put all of the quote in spoiler except the question to make the post shorter. Sorry.

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Egg, I only have one post on 73 and I'm not sure I understand why it is slinging mud. Kitz reaction to the fake claim was not what I expected. If house had claimed a guilty result on him, I'd expect to see that reply.

[Skybird]

Off-topic
Thanks Drixx for the info on spoilers in 1910.

[Skybird]

In my experience with Titus, after she tunnels someone who flips town, she usually comes back and talks about resetting her reads to figure out where she went wrong. While I have seen her get emotional about being read as scum when she is town, I don't believe I've ever seen it to this extent.

p-edit: I want to vote Titus but am not sure where the count is. I noticed lalala unvoted so I'm guessing we are close to a lynch?

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That's what I got too SW. Since Boon is hammer crazy, I'm not voting until we get a claim.

[Skybird]

I was all set to vote lalaladucks today while waiting for the titus flip, but with her flipping SK I'm not sure lalala is the best choice.

I think Dragon has a good point on House.

[Skybird]

I second or third that lalaladucks needs to post her reasons for the Taly vote. I understand she is V/LA at the moment, but I dislike when someone drops a vote on someone and either gives no reasons or says reasons later.

[Skybird]

Hugs Drixx. I'm sorry about the crappy experiences you had in some of your games here.

[Skybird]

Cheetory, I don't have much experience with bookitty. What specifically is pinging you about her?

[Skybird]

I do see she hasn't been back since the Titus flip. But she did vote for Titus. I would like to see why you feel she should have been less convinced that Titus was scum please.

[Skybird]

RC can you provide reasons why Cheet is scum? I have him as a pretty solid town read.

[Skybird]

I read through lala's ISO to see if I could see any actual scumhunting vs. fluff posts. She does actually talk about Taly in post 336 where she questions his RVS for House, and the fact he unvotes after Ozgin unvotes House. She thinks it could be careful scum trying to look town. (Taly did explain why he was unvoting in the post she quotes.) In post 964, she scum reads Bookitty but doesn't say why. In post 1109 she thinks Wolf is scummy based on Wolf's tone and the feelings lala gets from her posts. So lala is posting some content after you dig through the fluff crap. Also, she votes Taly in post 1331 in response to Taly's post 1327 which is challenging her to play and vote based on her thoughts and feelings.

I keep going back and forth with my read on her. All the fluff posting could be scum trying to look active, but it could also be noob posting trying to look active. I agree with Taly that it feels like lala is going with the wind on voting and suspicions instead of following her own reads.

@lala, I hope you come back from VLA soon and give us your cases for your vote switches. Right now I see more scum in you than town.

VOTE: lalaladucks

[Skybird]

RC, are you paying attention to the game? You were already voting House so why re-vote?

[Skybird]

I'm not 100% updated on the game but lala's posts have been really bad and deserving of a policy lynch. They may or may not be scum, because I'd expect scum to put in more effort than this. But leaving lala alive is also dangerous. I'm going to think about this a little more but I'll probably vote her, if only for policy reasons.

DeltaWave, besides lalala, who else are you scum reading? What do you think of the Bookitty, Cheeto, and Wolf interaction?

[Skybird]

RC, who are you voting right now? Would you please refer to the people in the game by their correct names?

[Skybird]

@Kitz-Who are you scumreading right now and why aren't you voting?

I'm always slow / reserving on votes, but yeah, I'll vote for someone I personally think needs a vote.

As for who's scummy, well.
Prolapsed Brain is a big, red button. Read his ISO, this is overal anti-game, unattentative, sheepish and fluff, lack of actual contribution.
Lala pings me really high too, for the not-much-care attitude and several other things which is made obvious by now.
Kitty is also among there, for the obvious points of mindset and play, as well as the whole "Mislynch town" thingie and "Why should I care".
Skybird pings me slightly, recently going all neutral and careful, while going for an obvious target in the same mindset.

Boonskies pings lightly, but otherwise a mix-read. Dragon is a town-lean/null. Everyone says BestFriend, but I dunno, no actual evidence yet.
Radiant reads as a "fucking troll", so mix-read.
House is null due to my mixed reads on him, but there's a townlean due to the claim and claimed actions.

Personally I read Cheetory and Anenin as town.

The rest is null. Anyway, voting PB because, god damnit, those reasons.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Kitz, I don't see any original thought in your scum reads. You say I'm going for a target in the same mindset but you call me neutral and careful and lalala not-much care attitude. That's a contradiction.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kitz

[Skybird]

so many elongated ellipses, kinda disconcerting

Wolf, if I voted for Kitz after Skybird would you think I'm scum

I could go for a Kitz lynch

Does that really matter to you if I did? And just for the record, no I would not and I'm not necessarily thinking Skybird is scum either. She just comes off as really careful in her voting and it's pinging slightly. She didn't really say anything about Kitz when she was on earlier and saw that Kitz post but now that a couple are voting her and several say they are willing to, she jumps on. While I would be willing to compromise on Kitz, this makes me hesitate slightly.

Honestly I was distracted by RC. I read the kitz post and thought it was strange that I was pinging her slightly and was going to repond but then read the RC posts. That's why I'm really hating the way RC is posting. It's a distraction to the game. Or at least to me. YMMV.

[Skybird]

To me her statement reads I am (or was) voting lala for having the same mindset as me. But she says I am being careful and lala is being careless. That's a direct contradiction about our mindsets.

[Skybird]

Wolf, I also had some earlier concerns about kitz at the begining of the game. (reference posts: 128, 133, 159) I voted her in post 278.

[Skybird]

Wolf, I also had some earlier concerns about kitz at the begining of the game. (reference posts: 128, 133, 159) I voted her in post 278.

I asked in #49 what 14:3:3:1 was, you said in #128 "This makes me go hmm, how many games have you played?"

In 133, you say I could be a scum trying to drop a fake towntell.

#159 you quoted #32 (Hope we don't get mindfucked by setup) and #39 being the 14:3:3:1 question.
#32 is a referrence to the setup I was playing in, which included a really fucked up series of days, confusion, too many PR, a mass murderer, gamethrowing players and other stuff.
Since many here was in that game.

#278 is a vote on me about setup posts and the response to the questions and my use of the emoticon.
There's also my casual answer to a question. I can answer that regardless of what role and stuff I am.

Okay, serious questions.
How the fuck is a question a "fake towntell"? What makes it a towntell in any circumstance? This is a bullshit reason, it's neither towny nor scummy. Even confused scum can ask this question. I was genuine confused when I read 14:3:3:1, the numbers didn't add as I thought the limit was 20 players, and I didn't know of multiball let alone adding a 3P in the mix, not reading the setup correctly regarding that it's multiball and some lines were in the wrong places in my point of view after a re-read.

How is the use of an emoticon an attempt to discourage questions and conversation? Like, what. I don't see the connection.
In fact, most post with that emoticon was related to the 180-Game. Can't you even make the connections to that? I was not talking about the setup of this game in any detail other than "I hope it isn't as mindfucking as 180". If I'm getting you right, then you're basically saying I'm subtly trying to discourage the discussion of a game not related to this one.
Logically, shouldn't rolling eyes mean Sarcastic / Ironic? Sure, it makes small sense in some posts, but fuck it.

The odd targeting is the main reason why it pings, as it seems like an attempt to "get lowhanging fruit". I realise I didn't write that, but it was pretty obvious on an earlier response.
And a free clarification, I didn't say the two of you had a same mindset. #bad_at_english

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Scum try to act town. People who don't know what the setup is are usually regarded at first glance as town. Think about it. Who's going to study the set up more, scum or town? Scum will so they know what they are up against. So asking about the setup and the way you did it looked fake to me. If you were genuinely confused why did you not say that in post 138 in your reponse? Post 138 from you looked like you were trying to avoid answering my question.

Dude, you did not mention 180 in your post 32. You are also not supposed to talk about on-going games so I'd be very cautious about making references to other games.

To me when you use this icon: , you are implying that you think the questions being asked are bad and therefore you are trying to discredit the information and/or the poster asking the question.

If you were not saying that lala and I had the same mind set, could you tell me what you were trying to convey? Are you simply trying to say that lala is playing carefree and I am playing careful?

[Skybird]

RC, do you actually feel Kitz is scum or do you just want to see someone lynched?

[Skybird]

There seems to be a core group -- about 8 or so people -- that are doing all the talking. (Obviously, I am not among that group.)

I'm interested in this statement PB. What are you trying to convey here?

[Skybird]

The point is, people keep asking you to provide some reasons for your votes. So far you mostly just declare someone is scum and vote them. Then you vote switch to someone else because we don't all follow along. If you think someone is scum and would like other people to follow your votes, you have to give reasons. So to reiterate, the point of the question is why do you think kitz is scummy.

[Skybird]

Where does

do you just want to see someone lynched?

come into that?

That is a sarcastic remark about the way you are playing the game. Since you continue to refuse to give reasons why you vote for a person, it appears that you just want to see someone (anyone!) lynched. Is that the case? Or do you have reasons for voting?

[Skybird]

There seems to be a core group -- about 8 or so people -- that are doing all the talking. (Obviously, I am not among that group.)

I'm interested in this statement PB. What are you trying to convey here?

Just noting that there are a ton of lurkers, and I can't help but wonder the alignment distribution of them.

I know I'm wondering about your alignment. So far most of what you've posted looks scummy.

[Skybird]

And yeah, I could post reasons. But then I'd get "oh that's not a real scumtell / that's not alignment indicative / if x is scum it's not for those reasons."

Then they'll flip scum.

Then next game I'll post a case on similar rationale and get "oh that's not a real scumtell / that's not alignment indicative / if x is scum it's not for those reasons."

At some point you learn better.

Seriously, I'm confused as to why you play if you refuse to participate. Believe me, I understand being reluctant to post a case on someone because other's tell you that your read is wrong because of blah, blah, whatever. You have to look at the source though. If you scum read player A and give 3 reasons and player A tells you that's not a scum tell/not alignment indicative/whatever, maybe it's because they are scummy and have no way to refute your case. If someone else other than player A tells you stuff like that, you have to consider if that player is a scum mate with player A or if the points you made are not valid.

Bottom line, if you are town you want to help town win. By pointing out things you think make player A scummy, you help the rest of town determine if player A is scum. You might just see something that everyone else missed.

[Skybird]

Skybird could be ascetic, which leans towards scum.

Could you explain where this thought is coming from? It doesn't make sense to me at all.

[Skybird]

Nevermind RC. You suggested that in response to Bookitty wondering why she got no result on me N1. Bookitty's result has me wondering though. I did performa an action N1. I targeted house and received No Result. I double checked this with the mod to ensure I was interpreting the result correctly. I am, and that means I was roleblocked N1. Bookitty is basically claiming she was roleblocked as well. What are the chances that we were both roleblocked on N1? I think Bookitty's claim on me is false.

[Skybird]

I understand what you are saying Dragon. I wasn't sure I wanted to say anything, but this may help us determine whether Bookitty is scum or not.

[Skybird]

Delta, it's day 3. We have over 100 pages of posts. There's no need to policy lynch anyone at this point. If you believe we should be lynching lalala, provide your reasons.

[Skybird]

Catching up now. Hoping to finish this time

Skybird, I don't understand where you are going with your Kitz point. I disagree that scum are more likely to study the setup than town. Had you said scum realize how many buddies they have, I could understand. But scum wanting to know what they're up against? Why? Why wouldn't town as well? That feels more like something a specific player might be more likely to do than a specific alignment.

My point was I feel she was trying to drop a town tell by acting like she didn't know what the set-up was. I get that you disagree with me on that point. Part of the issue was her post about hoping that "we don't get mind-fucked" in this game (post 32 I think) which she says is a reference to NY180 though she did not state that in the post. When she followed up with her post wondering what 14:3:3:1 meant, it struck me as weird. Your point about both alignments would study the set-up is a fair one. I will have to look at it again.

[Skybird]

@mod, I will be VLA 6-19 through 6-25. During that time I will be moving and internet access will be unpredictable at best.

[Skybird]

House, back on D1 you really wanted to lynch someone out of your hood. Everyone in your hood is still alive. Are you still scum reading someone in your hood?

[Skybird]

I am a genuinely nice person and I always watch what I say. It's just the way I am. If you read other games I've played you will see that I am like this all the time as town. I am terrible as scum. Here's a link to a scum game for me: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=59208 I invite you to take a look at it and see if you think I'm playing the same way.

At the moment I would say I am mislynch bait that duckie and kitz are taking advantage of to take heat off of themselves.

[Skybird]

Reading through House makes me want to vote him. He's not giving much by way of reads and it appears to me that he's stirring up drama instead of trying to figure out who's scum. PB's interactions are towning up. Cheeto is coming across as very frustrated town.

[Skybird]

House, you aren't doing shit to help move the game forward. You are just being an ass about everything. You are the one who claims that you have molded your scum game to your town game. So by your own opinion about your game, we should be lynching you if you think you are playing your town game.

Wolf, I like that PB is finally interacting more and not just making silly posts. It's not the strongest point for townreading someone, but I would like to see him continue more in the interactions so we can get a good read on him.

[Skybird]

Boonie, you have anything to add to the game? We are in day 3 now so everyone should have a better idea of who might be scum.

[Skybird]

Bookitty, I have no idea why you didn't get a result N1. I did not get a result either. If I was jailkept or roleblocked, would you have gotten no result?

[Skybird]

Feel better Wolf. I'm just getting over a cold myself. Summer colds suck!

[Skybird]

I agree with Wolf that neighborhood spec is difficult with Wake. In one of his large games off-site, everyone was in a neighborhood but me. But I did get to read every neighborhood PT as long as I didn't post in any of them.

[Skybird]

I'm not a big fan on lala's posting, but I definitely disagree with a policy lynch. Those on lalala's wagon need to explain their votes and provide some solid reasoning or move to a more useful wagon.

[Skybird]

@Lalala: What makes you think I'm scummier now? Can you walk me through the evolution of your read on me, please?

sorry I didn't do it yet!

leaving right now though, will do it later!

promise

Okay, let's try to figure this out! I scumread you D1 just based on gut I think. Then D2, uh what was I doing, guess I should check... Oh I didn't mention Boo at all D2. Makes it hard to remember how I was reading her. Well, I'll just ISO her then. So idk what to make of her stance on the Ozgin debacle, maybe slightly townish? Erm, ah... Then the thing with Cheet, I thought she was townish near the start of that and then more in the middle she seemed more suspicious. Becaaauuuse, uhm I'm sorry idk I'm tired I'll have to do this tomorrow I guess. Anyway, I have a townlean on Bookitty at this instant but my read on her is dippy flippy flopping like a dying Nemo, which I'll try my best to rectify! Tomorrow--

Pedit: ah :{ I gave one this morning and I'll pair them with reasons tomorrow

Spoiler: soon to be not reasonless reads

Two more things lalala:
i) Can you give some kind of a readslist? If it the reasoning for each read is like "iuno whatever" that's fine just like still give the reasoning/rationale behind each read you have.
If you have time, I'd really appreciate that.

ohhh really quick jic Day ends before I get home

Cheet - town
Silver - town
RC - town
Egg - town unless he's really good at being scum idk maybe he is
dragon - reluctantly town
Boon - town I guess but stop trying to ML pls

House - could be town? could be scum? idek - behaviour seems town but JoAT claim seems off
Skybird - unsure
Boo - keep flip flopping on her kinda leaning townish for now though

Kitz - scumsies
FA - scumbumble
Drixx - scum!
PB - scummm
Taly(slot) - scum wheee

but I believe I forgot DeltaWave - scum obv

Just so you know lalala, tomorrow we will be at Night. Deadline is in approximately 9 hours.

[Skybird]

I sent a pm to all three mods early this morning asking for a VC and a flip. Hopefully one of them will check the board soon. I do remember killerjester saying wake was vla for about a week right now.

In the meantime can I say that I am glad you only have to replace the roof on your house once every 30 years?

[Skybird]

So what would everyone like to talk about while we wait?

[Skybird]

Damn lalala, I haven't had to integrate anything in a long time. All I remember from my last college calc class was writing formulas to calculate how heat spread through a sheet of metal from a point source.

[Skybird]

Is there a record for longest twilight? How about number of pages posted during twilight?

[Skybird]

That's pretty good Boo.

[Skybird]

I have to tell you guys a real life blonde story. My little sister is a blonde. Back when I lived in Ohio I had came home for a visit and I was sitting in the kitchen talking to Mom. My Mom and Dad had just gone on a vacation and brought back a t-shirt for my sister. Mom wanted me to see it so she called out to my sister who was in the family room to come show me the t-shirt. My sister says OK, jumps up and ran by us and up to her room. Mom looked after her kinda funny, but didn't say anything. We can hear my sister rummaging around in her closet and moving things around looking for the shirt. She finally yells that she can't find it. Mom yells back, you are wearing it! My sister goes oh yeah and comes back downstairs. The shirt read: Pardon me, I'm having a blonde moment.

[Skybird]

Good game everyone! SW, you did a good job. I wasn't suspecting you while I was in the game. <3

Thanks mods for a great game!

[Skybird]

I definitely don't want you to leave either Wolf. I really respect you as a player and I know you are a good person. ((hugs)) One day I want to run a large theme game and have you play in it.