Open 40 - Medical Mafia: GAME OVAH, before 492

[Sir Tornado]

Random Vote: The Greg

[Sir Tornado]

The post first vote count

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[Sir Tornado]

I am here... I just don't think there is anything going to comment at, at the moment...

Nelly, are you sure you are a doctor? Because that is not what doctors actually do in mafia. (they don't "revive the dead")

[Sir Tornado]

I do not like The Greg's post 51. It rubs me the wrong way because it is an extremely silly reason to put someone at -2. It looks a bit opportunistic to me.

[Sir Tornado]

Ok, I've got the prods and completed reading the thread. I am concerned about Giddingsworth jumping on bandwagons right now. I also see that The Greg has carefully stepped my accusation of himself slipping in on a bandwagon, which I pointed out in my last post.

I somewhat agree with the thought that this game is a bit like Dethy, where the night actions will lead us to the mafia.

[Sir Tornado]

Thoughts on the game so far, BM?

[Sir Tornado]

Doctor-should target the person who he feels is most under threat, every night.
Vigilante-should target the person who he feels is most scummy, not necessarily every night.
Vanilla Townie-doesnt really matter what he does.
Weak Doctor-there are different tactics for this role. Could choose not to target in order to survive, or could choose to target, in order to ascertain whether or not someone is scum.
CPR Doctor-if he knows someone is almost certain to be killed, he should target them to protect them. If in doubt, he should take a pop at the scummiest person, or not submit a choice atall.
Jailkeeper-Again, different tactics for this role too. You could either target the person you find scummiest (to prevent a kill) or you could target someone you think is most likely to be targetted, in order to protect them. I'd reccommend the former though, as we probs ought to make best use of our only RB ability.

I'd be interested to hear everyones thoughts on this.

BM

I agree with the general idea, but we need to figure out which kind of a doctor we are first. How do you reckon we should do it?

We could pre-arrange which person targets whom during the day, but I'm not sure if that is a good strategy, because the scum can take advantage of knowing the targets beforehand...

Secondly, pre-arranged targeting could lead to 3 or 4, (or 5 if there is a mislynch) deaths for town on the start of the second day... not a good idea by any means. Quite a risk.

[Sir Tornado]

Rereading, The Greg just has the one questionable post. Other than that his only fault is lurking. Side note: Sir Tornado is lurking up a storm (hahahahaha). He's gotta post more. Specifically content.

I'll be honest: I got disinterested in this game while we were discussing the origins of one of the player's name and porn stars. There was nothing to comment on the nurse claim. Lack of counter claim means that the nurse claim is correct. And, I disagree with Giddingsworth's assessment that The Greg has only one questionable post. I think I pointed out one instance of The Greg casting an opportunistic vote on someone sometime back... no one seems to have commented on it.

[Sir Tornado]

Ok, here is clarification of what i dislike about this post by The Greg.
1. He claims that HazzelQ is scummy, whilst knowing that he is protown. Of course, there is no reason for him to say something like this, so the only intention i can see is the use of the words, "I agree with Distad" in a deliberate attempt to tie them together, or to lend more weight to Distads original case.
then he uses the word 'forced' indicating reluctance to accept HazzelQ as confirmed protown, which is a feeling i would only expect from scum.
Then, in his evident FRUSTRATION, he retorts angrilly that HazzelQ 'exhibited bad town play', when in reality, this was not really the case.
But his last sentence is the real nail in the coffin. He says "as i assume any reasonable protown player would."
Not only is he using the assumption that he is protown in order to validate his argument, his use of the word 'assume' indicates that he is trying to get inside the mind of a protown player. If he was protown, it is unlikely that he would consider this comment to be an 'assumption'.
Furthermore, the sentence itself acts as a sort of peer pressure trap for later in the game. If someone says later "HazzelQ's play was good" the less perceptive members of the town might have been roped in, and end up lynching someone. People can be very impressionable, and subtle attempts like that to tell people what to think, give me very bad vibes.

I will go back and reread the rest of Greg's play later, but i reckon he is as good a Day 1 lynch as any atm.

BM

*Aimee-you probably ought to remove SPAG from the vote count. lol

OK,

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HH, I honestly don't understand your vote. I agree that the nurse claim was probably poorly timed, and I'm a bit peeved myself, but voting for someone who is confirmed town still makes no sense as a pro-town move. If you honestly think he's scum, then wait for a counterclaim before putting a claimed Nurse at L-1. Given the difficulty of NKing the Nurse with so many docs around, scum would benefit a LOT from a Nurse lynch.

Vote: HH

Also, if HazzelQ is not the nurse, the real Nurse should probably counterclaim now. With only 2 scum, a 1 for 1 trade is in our favor.

I have spoken on the claim. I agree with distad that HazzelQ looks very scummy, but in the absence of a counterclaim, I am forced to conclude that Hazzel is simply exhibiting bad town play, as I assume any reasonable town player would.

I agree with this. Especially your point about The Greg saying:

I am forced to conclude that Hazzel is simply exhibiting bad town play,

as I assume any reasonable town player would.

I think that bolded part is a major scum tell. This combined with his earlier suspicious vote...

Vote: The Greg

[Sir Tornado]

I'm a bit concerned at how quickly my bandwagon grew. I'd guess that at least one scum is on it. Sir Tornado's vote in particular stands out. It looks like he tried to slide onto the wagon using BM's argument without really saying anything original.

It looks like it stands out because I've not elaborated on it. I've not elaborated on it because I don't have enough time to do that sort of thing before Friday.

[Sir Tornado]

Right I got prodded.

My view on the game is, that it is quite different from others, BUT the majority of the game will be decided from the night choices. If it were entirely upto me, I'd no lynch first day, put in the night choices, compare the night choices of the players, find discrepancies in them and then lynch the players whose claims do not tally with the rest of the game. I see this as a Doc version of the Dethy... which is why I am not too interested in whom we lynch D1... I am too excited to get to the night and analyse the night actions of everyone.

[Sir Tornado]

1) I wanted this day to end quickly

2) The Greg's wording in his post. (The sentence which I quoted)

3) His earlier opportunistic votes, which were sneaked in without any explanation, something which I noticed but no one else seemed to care about.

[Sir Tornado]

Distad: Everyone MUST exercise his/her night choice, and they must state who they have targeted in N1 on D2.

[Sir Tornado]

And, you know, looking back, I can't say I understand BM's play at all... one moment, he says The Greg is the play, and when it appears that The Greg is getting voted out, he changes bandwagon? Why?

[Sir Tornado]

Alright, so because I can't see Honary Hitchhiker hammering himself, we are getting a "The Greg" lynch. Would anyone (especially The Greg) like to say anything before being hammered?

[Sir Tornado]

BM, answer my question

HH: A question for you to answer before the day ends:

8. Lets see a person claims Nurse out of nowhere where he has suspiscison going on him. He then states it was for stiring up discussion. Scum could easily NK the Nurse whom is essential to the town. Claiming Nurse seemed to throw off some of Hazzel Q's offenders so I found this just a play to throw suspicsion off him. Why did you find it the best thing to do at that point? So you state thats how he felt when he posted that claim? And how would you know thats how he felt?

This is how you explain your vote on HazzelQ.

You seemed to have missed, that the POINT of claiming is to throw suspicion off him. If there is not counter claim, then it means that HazzelQ is indeed the nurse. I see no reason to doubt that claim in absense of a counter claim (and, if HQ is not the nurse, then someone SHOULD counterclaim. Loss of one nurse for one mafia is a good exchange)

The point is not whether it is the best thing to do. It may be a poor move on his part. However, we don't lynch townies who make mistakes. We lynch scum, and, you need to explain why you think HazzelQ was scum based on his nurse claim.

[Sir Tornado]

BM: I was asking you why you got off The Greg wagon after announcing "The Greg is the play for today" and after The Greg wagon started gaining momentum and looked like becoming a lynch.

[Sir Tornado]

Someone voting The Greg should quite clearly change to HH. or at least unvote, to give us time to reassess.

Unvote

Alright. State your case against HH.

[Sir Tornado]

I protected DeliciousGoldfish, our nurse

FOS: BM

. This is the second time you have accused the confirmed nurse of being scum. I can accept once of being a mistake, but twice? For the same reason? Why?

[Sir Tornado]

Ok so with no Night Kills last night I will have to assume that one of us that protected is the Paranoid Doctor and roleblocked the scum from killing. There are TWO scum so with DGF being a Nurse, even if we were to assume that White is scum and didn't have a chance to send in the NK the other scum would step in and do that and like I said since there is no Night Kill then he must have been roleblocked.

That is not correct actually. We have:

1) Normal Doc.
2) Weak Doc.
3) CPR Doc.
4) Paranoid Doc.

ALL of them can "protect" like Docs in regular games can. So, if the scum tried to Night kill someone, and anyone of these roles protected the same person, the person will not die. I am curious to know why you don't think this has happened.

Further, we have not had any NKs so far, which means that one of the following has happened:

1) Quack is dead, CPR Role blocked
2) Quack is dead, CPR protected correct person
3) Quack is dead, CPR's target protected by another doc
4) CPR is dead, Quack Role blocked.
5) CPR is dead, Quack's target protected by another doc
6) Neither of them are dead and Quack was RBed, CPR's target was targeted by mafia
7) Neither of them are dead and both targeted the same person.

Personally I would rather see White get lynched today because I believe that since we only have ONE PARANOID Doctor in this game that means that only ONE scum was roleblocked and chances are the person who didnt have a chance to get his vote in is the other scum. Also BM who is my prime suspect for the roleblocked Scum has tried to clear White of being scum and that does not sit well with me. On that same note lets say it goes down like this...

From my experience of playing mafia, in games where a RB is involved, the mafia nominate ONE person to do the night kill. If the RB blocks that person (or, if the game has watcher, and he watches that person) the NK is blocked (or the watcher sees that scum doing the killing). So, assuming White is scum because the mafia did not kill AND because there is only one RB is bad logic. In fact, I have reason to believe that White may have actually submitted his choice -- The mod started Day only after about 26 hours of the 48 hour deadline had passed. Had White missed his deadline, then Mod would have waited till the deadline had actually passed.

[Sir Tornado]

I protected White.

[Sir Tornado]

White, you realize we are possibly at a lylo right now? I don't think putting one vote is that bad, but I'd rather we not throw around votes at this stage.

I think you forget that we have the normal doc too in addition to CPR Doc who can block the NKs.

[Sir Tornado]

Figured i'd put it up. 3 of the 5 people on the mislych of HH were townies....

Why do you say "3" when you were on the HH bandwagon too? Are you not a townie? Why did you not add yourself to the 3?

[Sir Tornado]

Er... I got the prod. On reading, I think White lynch is the way to go at the moment.

Should we hammer him, or wait till he comes back? (he's posted on V/LA thread)

[Sir Tornado]

I'll post something tomorrow.

[Sir Tornado]

Bah

This has to be my worst performance as scum so far. Well done town.

[Sir Tornado]

Damn... Both CPR and Quack targeted the nurse...

[Sir Tornado]

It was CKD. I desperately wanted to get rid of CKD on N1. He had got me in a bit of trouble in another game where I was scum.