Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[GrayFoxxxx]

Me and bulb hadn't communicated directly for close to 2 hours. Before he started his wierd talk.

In fact when he says "you forgot about me" it was right after a post Shaz made.

[GrayFoxxxx]

This is textbook flailing.

[Boonskiies]

I'd like to talk about the Mario slot too that's going on with Anna/Shazam; I have nothing I find scummy from Dom's play either, and would probably have Dom as super super town if it wasn't for the Mario slot.

[Kublai Khan]

Dropping an update. I've got time on my hands. I just re-read through half the game and will finish tomorrow morning.

[Annarchy]

why is bulba town?

you're going to hate this, but it's mostly meta. I have three notes of posts that I read Bulba town in, and my explanation for all three of them is simply "meta." look at any game bulba has played and you will notice that his actions here totally line up with his town actions

more specifically, comparing his scum game to his town game, there are very distinct differences. I've found that he gives genuine, confident reads as town, while as scum, he plays a little more defensive with little thought given to reads.

I believe 213 is an example of town-bulba. so is 255 where he gives reads on everyone. in particular his read on Stubbs looks genuine to me - as scum I think he would run with a scumread based on what he said there.
and then there are a bunch of little things that give me a gut townread on Bulba. little comments that he just wouldn't bother to make as scum.

[Boonskiies]

why is bulba town?

you're going to hate this, but it's mostly meta. I have three notes of posts that I read Bulba town in, and my explanation for all three of them is simply "meta." look at any game bulba has played and you will notice that his actions here totally line up with his town actions

more specifically, comparing his scum game to his town game, there are very distinct differences. I've found that he gives genuine, confident reads as town, while as scum, he plays a little more defensive with little thought given to reads.

I believe 213 is an example of town-bulba. so is 255 where he gives reads on everyone. in particular his read on Stubbs looks genuine to me -

as scum I think he would run with a scumread based on what he said there.

and then there are a bunch of little things that give me a gut townread on Bulba. little comments that he just wouldn't bother to make as scum.

is this an Anna scumslip?

[Shazam]

why is bulba town?

you're going to hate this, but it's mostly meta. I have three notes of posts that I read Bulba town in, and my explanation for all three of them is simply "meta." look at any game bulba has played and you will notice that his actions here totally line up with his town actions

more specifically, comparing his scum game to his town game, there are very distinct differences. I've found that he gives genuine, confident reads as town, while as scum, he plays a little more defensive with little thought given to reads.

I believe 213 is an example of town-bulba. so is 255 where he gives reads on everyone. in particular his read on Stubbs looks genuine to me -

as scum I think he would run with a scumread based on what he said there.

and then there are a bunch of little things that give me a gut townread on Bulba. little comments that he just wouldn't bother to make as scum.

is this an Anna scumslip?

No. That's clearly not what that means. You're trying too hard.

@Annarchy
Meta aside, what traditionally scummy things would Bulb have to do for him to be scum in your eyes? Don't you think that if he can get away with what he did already, he can get away with anything? There comes a point at which we must stop making excuses for someone because we think they're bad. Otherwise, bad players will always win as mafia.

[implosion]

BECAUSE IT DERAILS THE ENTIRE TOPIC AND DOES NOT ALLOW SCUM HUNTING WHATSOEVER.

But that doesn't make it scummy, just annoying/frustrating

The arguments that have happened in this game happened while scum hunting and people defending their arguments. Nothing scummy about that. To say there is, is anti town

vote Mr. Anti town FAQ

You are scum looking to divide and conquer. Mislynch one Townie today, than Lynch the other under the guise of "one of these guys must be scum" when in fact the odds are pretty good boon Is probably town andvi know I am

This is pretty much what I have to say in response to FA. Scum aren't going to go out of their way to attack a person for three pages for the express purpose of making the game less readable. Those kinds of arguments arise from personality conflicts which are alignment-independent.

I'm also pretty ready for this day to be over. I feel like I've gotten what I want out of it and it's starting to drag on.

[Annarchy]

Shazam stop being right

it's hard for me to not consider meta when reading Bulba. personally I don't hold much stock in "traditionally scummy" things. I don't believe there's a set list of things you can read someone as scum for doing regardless of who it is. I would say there's very little in online Mafia that's actually alignment-indicative without considering who someone is and how they normally react to things.

I don't think play like Bulba's should be encouraged or allowed to stay how it is. he needs to evolve as a Mafia player, and that will likely happen through him getting lynched in scenarios like these. but for this particular game, I can look at his past experience and tell that he's probably town based on how he usually acts. ignoring this information would be counterproductive to winning here.


I need to attempt an FA ISO

[Annarchy]

on a somewhat related note, I feel like I'm going to be annoyingly sitting on nullish reads of Shazam and implosion for ages because almost anything they've done up to this point could have been done by town-them OR scum-them

[WoodyWoodpecker]

This is pretty much what I have to say in response to FA. Scum aren't going to go out of their way to attack a person for three pages for the express purpose of making the game less readable. Those kinds of arguments arise from personality conflicts which are alignment-independent.

I'm also pretty ready for this day to be over. I feel like I've gotten what I want out of it and it's starting to drag on.

I was already scum reading him before that though, I realize the bitching is null cause town and scum can do it but it seems likely like he's trying to line up lymches

[TheDominator37]

Anna/shazam/bulb scum team?

[TheDominator37]

Anna/shazam/bulb scum team?

@foxx
@dragon
@kahn
What do you think of this?

[pisskop]

preflip associations are bad. They end up looking like scum lining up lynches or bussing

[pisskop]

Also Anna is probs town.

o o look at that syntax

[TheDominator37]

Eh I was just speculating
Anna is like 4 or 5 on my list

[Bulbazoor]

Anna is town to me.

[dragonspawn]

[instagram][/instagram]

why is bulba town?

you're going to hate this, but it's mostly meta. I have three notes of posts that I read Bulba town in, and my explanation for all three of them is simply "meta." look at any game bulba has played and you will notice that his actions here totally line up with his town actions

more specifically, comparing his scum game to his town game, there are very distinct differences. I've found that he gives genuine, confident reads as town, while as scum, he plays a little more defensive with little thought given to reads.

I believe 213 is an example of town-bulba. so is 255 where he gives reads on everyone. in particular his read on Stubbs looks genuine to me -

as scum I think he would run with a scumread based on what he said there.

and then there are a bunch of little things that give me a gut townread on Bulba. little comments that he just wouldn't bother to make as scum.

is this an Anna scumslip?

Why would this be a scumslip?

[Kublai Khan]

Okay. I'm all caught up.

Town: WoodyWoodpecker, Boonskiies, GrayFoxxxx, Shazam
Weaktown: TheDominator37, implosion
Weakscum: Annarchy, Bulbazoor, spice1209
Scum: FA_Q2, pisskop, dragonspawn

The WoodyWoodpecker/Boonskiies slapfight is a town on town squabble. GrayFoxxxx towntold pretty hard in the first half of the game. Shazam gave a strong town-tell as well.

I was never big on the MarioManiac4 wagon (I understand the reasons, but they aren't as strong as they are made out to be). TheDominator37 has been fairly townish, though a little milquetoast.

implosion is in the weak town because of a weird vibe that keeps him from being a full town read. Mostly it's the repeated motif where he has to constantly point out "scum-Khan could do that" which is weird that I'm the only one that gets this treatment. I had to look up if we had any game history and we've only ever been in one game together and I was town. If he could give me the reasoning behind this specific treatment I'd appreciate it, otherwise it feels a little like a "smear/discredit the townie" tactic.

The Annarchy weakscum read comes mostly from Necessary Evil. Necessary Evil's posts were lackluster and his read reasonings were vague. Though it could just be unfocused town. Annarchy has a totally different style, which is great, but I don't agree with many of her conclusions, which is bad.

Bulbazoor is a wildcard at the moment. His weird cadence/formatting, the backtrack, the (possible?) responding to old posts.. I can't even tell if english is his first language.

spicer1209 is in the hole that StubbsKVM dug at the moment. StubbsKVM was a weak scumread. And spice1209 is a non-read. So, it's meh/scum.

pisskop could be scum? I dunno? Maybe? He doesn't seem to care to find scum or lynch them. He's the emo kid of this game. He just wants to be left alone.

FA_Q2's Post 724 is the scummiest post I've ever read. It's one thing to hate a 10 page squabble. But finding both participants individually scummy (where if one turns up town, the other must be scum) is ridiculous.

dragonspawn feels like textbook scum coasting. He's not leading any wagons. He's not pushing or making waves. Here's a quick experiment. Without looking at the votecount, someone tell me who dragonspawn is voting for and why.

Spoiler: answer

It's implosion. And best I can figure it's because he's not "impressed" by him.

VOTE: dragonspawn

[pisskop]

dawwww

[pisskop]

DS isnt scum, and even if he was he's not lynchable. Your vote is noted and useless there.

[Kublai Khan]

[tunneling]Beetlejuice?[/tunneling]

[Kublai Khan]

Anna/shazam/bulb scum team?

@kahn
What do you think of this?

Naw.

[pisskop]

Yea, I have multiple ongoing games so I'm often online.

[pisskop]

why is bulba town?

you're going to hate this, but it's mostly meta. I have three notes of posts that I read Bulba town in, and my explanation for all three of them is simply "meta." look at any game bulba has played and you will notice that his actions here totally line up with his town actions

more specifically, comparing his scum game to his town game, there are very distinct differences. I've found that he gives genuine, confident reads as town, while as scum, he plays a little more defensive with little thought given to reads.

I believe 213 is an example of town-bulba. so is 255 where he gives reads on everyone. in particular his read on Stubbs looks genuine to me - as scum I think he would run with a scumread based on what he said there.
and then there are a bunch of little things that give me a gut townread on Bulba. little comments that he just wouldn't bother to make as scum.

You're right. I do this to a lot of people, and hate when its done to me.

I've played with Mario in one game we can speak of. He was scum who slipped on D2.