Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[Bulbazoor]

I am kind of finding the way anna 180s her read on me. At first, she claims that I am a townread. Weak, but a read as town. Then, she claims that if FA is scum, wshe wants to keep him for more. That was the questionable part for me and I am wondering why she would want to keep someone if they are the scum? Fa latest post also shows that he is willing to join the wagon that is on me and that I have posted nothing. He was not here to read my posts I made right now. Back to anna...

Anna is being questionable to me right now as a player because I can barely understand how they quickly went from townreading me to " convincing myself that he can do it as scum" when that was already the obvious thing. How did she not notice it? And why did she claim meta as fast as she could when asked? For some reason, I am starting to see anna and FA as a possible scum team up. Anna also claimed that I stopped scumhunting. That is a lie and it is also a factor on my lessened townread on her.

Everything anna has done is, from my perspective, questinonable.

[TheDominator37]

Ok we have 4 Days left and we need someone to lynch
I'm not a big fan of the fa wagon so VOTE: bulb[/b]

[TheDominator37]

Let's try that again VOTE: bulb

[Bulbazoor]

I feel like I am about to be mislynched.

[Bulbazoor]

The players
[01] Bulbazoor
[02] dragonspawn
[03] GrayFoxxxx
[04] FA_Q2
[05] implosion
[06] Boonskiies
[07] spicer1209 < Necessary Evil
[08] Shazam
[09] pisskop
[10] Annarchy < StubbsKVM
[11] TheDominator37 < MarioManiac4
[12] Kublai Khan
[13] WoodyWoodpecker

Arranged from town to scum
Bulbazoor
Kublai
Boon
Woody
Implosion
Dragon
Anna
Piss
Dom
Gray
Spicer
Shazam
FA

[dragonspawn]

I was unaware that I needed to repeat myself over and over again to be heard. See I rather prefer to make an argument once than repeat myself to death. He hasn't gotten any better. None of you have made any arguments that are more convincing to me. I'm not obligated to hunt scum the way you want me to. I will hunt as I choose.

You've not made an argument once.

You voted implosion because he explained (or to use your words--"covered") his vote. He explained why he did it in depth.

Six posts later you says that we all need to put pressure on him.

Post 143 shows you re-visiting implosion, ask a rhetorical question, and state your view that he's got a guilty conscience over voting GrayFoxxxx(?). implosion answers your question and explains himself quite well to everyone's satisfaction except you.

3 days later, you're not "impressed" with him and he's your top scumread.

5 days later, you're telling him that you don't care what he thinks.

I mean, it sounds like you've got a super ace in the hole. You're so convince that implosion is scum that you are not willing to consider anything else. That is an unheard of level of certainty on Day 1. And with all that certainty, you make a piss-poor case and are content to wait for people to comb through your iso to find it.

Khan, can we settle for FA today? Dragon, you should hop on too.

I'll hop if this goes nowhere. But I want to call bullshit on people townreading dragonspawn. If dragonspawn had said something like "yeah, I'm not totally into the game, let me change that" then that could be town. But his attitude isn't town. He's going with the flow and pretending to have an opinion on things.

Why would I need to pretend to have an opinion on things when I've been sharing my actual opinion quite frequently?

Why would I say I didn't have an opinion if it's a lie? I don't like lying. Even as scum I try to be as honest as possible. I'm not going to lie and say I have no opinion on matters in clearly giving an opinion on simply for you to townread me.

[Annarchy]

I am kind of finding the way anna 180s her read on me.

1.

At first, she claims that I am a townread. Weak, but a read as town.

2.

Then, she claims that if FA is scum, wshe wants to keep him for more.

That was the questionable part for me and I am wondering why she would want to keep someone if they are the scum? Fa latest post also shows that he is willing to join the wagon that is on me and that I have posted nothing. He was not here to read my posts I made right now. Back to anna...

Anna is being questionable to me right now as a player because I can barely understand how they quickly went from townreading me to " convincing myself that he can do it as scum" when that was already the obvious thing. How did she not notice it?

3.

And why did she claim meta as fast as she could when asked?

For some reason, I am starting to see anna and FA as a possible scum team up.

4.

Anna also claimed that I stopped scumhunting. That is a lie and it is also a factor on my lessened townread on her.

Everything anna has done is, from my perspective, questinonable.

1. this changed when I realized that while your play so far is similar to your town play, it's not necessarily different than your scum play. it was a mistake on my part that led to you being read as town by me
2. that's only half of my claim there. I said if FA is scum, we could use some more info from him (which, yes, is true because he has said hardly anything in comparison to the rest of the game, having the lowest post count tied with the NE/spicer slot). however I ALSO said if he's town, leaving him alive will give us a chance to see that. basically while I do have him as the lowest person in my reads atm, I also think my reads are probably shit and I should gather more info to be sure of anything
3. literally the only thing I had in my notes regarding you was "Bulba town - post #xxx. meta." for a few posts
4. well, let's look at your posts between you admitting you lied and me making that post:

Spoiler: scumhunting?

Trying to get a reacton is antitown?

Can you explain. Dom?

I s till want shazam.

VOTE: FA
I need to see more from this.

Ill keepy eyes on FA...

I was trying to get the adequate reaction out of gray at the same time.

I am sorry I am being hard to understand.

It was meant to shaz but I switched it to you so I can get one reaction bit from you to either improve the read or destruct it.

Anna is town to me.

I think it's safe to say there's not really any attempt to scumhunt here

[Bulbazoor]

Your read of ke being scum is wrong. I was attempting to scumhunt with my vote on fA and you know it.

[Annarchy]

that wasn't very evident. you didn't ask any questions, and made no comment aside from saying you needed to see more and you'd keep your eyes on him.

[dragonspawn]

Your read of ke being scum is wrong. I was attempting to scumhunt with my vote on fA and you know it.

Who is ke?

[Bulbazoor]

Me.

[TheDominator37]

Ok bulb is definitely scum

[TheDominator37]

He's almost soft reading FA hoping for a mislynch

I feel like I am about to be mislynched.

And then here this post means nothing. If you are about to be lynched and you are town we know it will be a mislynch. You don't have to say that

[Boonskiies]

He's almost soft reading FA hoping for a mislynch

I feel like I am about to be mislynched.

And then here this post means nothing. If you are about to be lynched and you are town we know it will be a mislynch. You don't have to say that

Not that I'm going to defend the statement or anything, as I plan on being the hammer vote for Bulb if it goes to L-1...I have constantly said that exact same thing as town, so....yeah. It's a pointless statement, don't know why it was brought up. Well, usually I don't say "i feel like..." i say it in the tense that it is inevitably going to happen.

[implosion]

implosion is in the weak town because of a weird vibe that keeps him from being a full town read. Mostly it's the repeated motif where he has to constantly point out "scum-Khan could do that" which is weird that I'm the only one that gets this treatment. I had to look up if we had any game history and we've only ever been in one game together and I was town. If he could give me the reasoning behind this specific treatment I'd appreciate it, otherwise it feels a little like a "smear/discredit the townie" tactic.

I honestly might be giving you burden of proficiency to some degree. You're the only person I've played with at all in this player list (and you're an oldie), and it felt like people were jumping to conclusions very quickly over things that I thought an experienced player could easily say as scum. I do like your catchup post. I honestly am not sure what I was townreading dragonspawn off of. I think it was a gut town ping on 68 and some of his other early posts, and then since he was filed into the town pile I just completely ignored him since he was never saying anything of substance to look at. Like, I knew his vote was on me. And he has been consistently suspecting me, just not doing anything to try to convince anyone else or give any reasoning on it.

WRT Bulb: 928+929 feels genuine to me. It feels like a slightly panicky response that would come from town.

And @Anna, I disagree that there's no attempt to scumhunt in the posts you quoted. I think it's just hard to see because of his posting style.

[Bulbazoor]

Dom is feeling reaaally fake to me right now. He has not even posted in a long time, and calls me scum for a response?

[dragonspawn]

Ok we have 4 Days left and we need someone to lynch
I'm not a big fan of the fa wagon so VOTE: bulb[/b]

Reread that and I was thinking, we have four days, why do we need to rush behind someone now because of that?

[pisskop]

We don't. But we do need to not extedn this to deadline just because we can. Deadline lynches are bad for us. And we've gotten a lot of info today.

[pisskop]

DS, are you stikll voting Implosion from post 51?

[dragonspawn]

Yes but its obvious that wagon isn't going anywhere at this point. I just haven't decided where I'm heading for sure yet.

[pisskop]

Of course I recommend Bulba, but FA is coolsauce too.

[dragonspawn]

So you don't particularly care who we lynch?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

just a heads up going to be pretty inactive tomorrow but should be here for sunday. I'll try to check in from my phone if i'm able to.

[pisskop]

Cant say I do.

Well, I scumread the both and both their flips provide info, but I think Bulb is the easier lynch. He's still green. Im not going to quabble over either.

Do you have a reason to prefer on to another?

[Bulbazoor]

Piss, why are you so pushy on my wagon? It is almost like you are the scum trying to drive my wagon?